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City After Dark Season 2 Episode 5 Four Women & A Funeral

• francene & coryne • Season 2 • Episode 5

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Carrie and Charlotte reproach Sam for wearing bright clothes to designer Javier's funeral, but it turns out their black clothing sticks out instead. Having solicited clients for her PR business there, Sam jumps the bones of the 'right' man, but when his all-too-influential wife walks in on them, her vital social acceptability is endangered. Charlotte meets hunky young widower Ned and enjoys helping him overcome his grieving in bed, until she discovers she isn't the only one. Miranda's pride when she buys her first apartment is short-lived, as the paperwork seems to stigmatize her "single woman" status. Carrie calls Big again after six months and finds out just going bowling revives their relationship completely.

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AudioPro X5 Microphone:

all right, we are back. Season two.

coryne:

Hello Dee. Hi. Your hair looks amazing.

francene:

Thanks. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Oh my god, I got the mic to work.

coryne:

Oh, good. And you got your phone set up? Are you gonna do clippies?

francene:

I have my phone set up. You should see this like. I can't move it. Don't mess it up. I have this like light thing because I'm trying to get it set up and I actually bought a tripod thing with a ring light. So then like when we do it in person, I'm going to see how we can like capture stuff.

coryne:

Yeah, good idea.

MacBook Air Microphone:

Are you having?Shoes.

coryne:

Yeah, I, earlier I was on a phone call and I like completely lost cell signal for like six minutes. Just like No bars on my phone at all. It was the weirdest thing ever. I was like, I shut my phone down and restarted it. Still nothing.

francene:

Oh my god. I know. It

coryne:

was weird. And then it came back and it's fine. So, whatever. Technology at its best.

francene:

Honestly, you know during the last the hurricane.

coryne:

Oh, yeah, it was crazy. Not

francene:

having signal. I know. That was

coryne:

weird. Yeah, it's, it, it makes you realize how quickly that society as a whole would devolve into a shell of itself if we lost cell signal and Wi Fi. Oh my God. I mean, I am of a generation that I used to know how to do things without that.

francene:

I don't. I, I honestly, I. Like, I would give a sense of direction. I would have to

coryne:

really have to pull back into the memory bank. I would have to really go deep, okay?

francene:

I could get to work and get to Luna's school and that's all.

coryne:

Yeah. Well, and think about how many people that even if you found a landline, you wouldn't even know their numbers.

francene:

Well, I don't do you have a landline? I don't know. No,

coryne:

no, I don't either. I don't either but like I used to Jason's parents do we could go to their house and call? I don't know my parents. That's

francene:

Okay, so basically we're all heading to Jason's parents house we

coryne:

were gonna call Other people's parents because those are the other ones. Okay, that's it And really grandparents My dad doesn't have a landline and neither does my mom, but my grandma

francene:

does my, yeah, my mom and dad don't either. Yeah.

coryne:

My grandma does. I could call my grandma. The I think, I feel like my brother for some reason still does.

francene:

Does he? Wow. That's very vintage of him.

coryne:

He's kind of, I wonder

francene:

if it's Corded, or if it's cordless, we never had a cordless one.

coryne:

No, it's fully the cordless one. Did you have the one that you twirled your finger in? Yes.

francene:

Oh my God. I used to sit on the stairs and we used to have, I don't know if it was the same in the US, where you could stay on a phone call and just before an hour you would hang up and then phone back because the hour was free.

coryne:

No, we didn't have that. That's crazy. Nights and weekends. You had free nights and weekends. I I used to be so good at memorizing people's phone numbers. Numbers in general. I'm still really good at numbers. But like, I used to have a Rolodex of numbers in my head. And the funny thing is I still remember most of those. From back in the day. Yeah, like now I know like 12 numbers.

francene:

Oh my god. I, I only know mine. I don't even know Aaron's Isn't that crazy? What would I do? If I had one phone call and I was in prison, I'd only be able to call myself. I'd leave a voicemail and be like, girl, you messed up.

coryne:

So funny story, I got arrested one time in Houston. And it was so back in the day that it was, it was right when we were transitioning over to cell phones, kind of being the thing, but I didn't live in Houston. I got it because I got arrested at the airport, trying to leave town. And when you're in jail, you're in jail. No, this is on the record. When you're in jail Back then, you could only call numbers with Houston area codes. What?

francene:

But I'm saying you weren't from there.

coryne:

I wasn't from here. But the only two people I knew that had Houston were my brother and my dad because their work has always been here. So they had 281 numbers, but I couldn't call those because they were cell phones. So you had to know like a, huh. I mean, this was like, what, how old was I? I was 19. This is 99. So what did you do? I cannot tell you that on the air. I'm just kidding. This has been expunged from my record. So this is admitting to things that I can legally lie and say didn't happen, but allegedly, allegedly. So this is back in the day. Again, this is before 9 11 happened. This is like, This is 99. Okay. And I had a, when I say it out loud, it sounds so dumb now, but I had a butterfly knife in my purse.

francene:

A what?

coryne:

Like a little one? No, it wasn't little. It's like, it's like a four inch knife.

francene:

Oh, a knife.

coryne:

A knife. Yeah. But do you know, do you know what a butterfly knife is?

francene:

No. Have you

coryne:

ever seen that movie Face Off with Nicolas Cage? I

francene:

have. Yeah.

coryne:

Okay. Do you know the scene where the daughter is with Nicolas Cage and she realizes it's not her dad and she pulls that knife out of his pocket and swings it open? Oh yeah. It's one of my favorite movies. That's a butterfly knife. I know. It's one of the best movies. I love it. That's a butterfly knife. They were, they were at the time legal to buy, but not legal to carry. I didn't know that. You're so hardcore. I know. I'm hardcore. I'm hardcore. My mom gave it to me, is the better part of

francene:

the story. So it's your mom's fault.

coryne:

I know, we'll blame her. And so I, we were walking into the airport, I was with my brother, and this was when you used to be able to carry a pocket knife onto the plane with a plethora of other things. I realized I had it and I turned around to my brother and I was like, Oh, I have my knife on me. And he's like, Oh, don't worry. I have it on my, me. He's like, just. Tell them you have it. And I was like, okay, so I did. Well, fast forward. I was in jail for the next 12 hours. They arrested me.

francene:

God. Oh

coryne:

yeah. It was crazy. It all got dismissed and completely dropped, but that's why we

francene:

can talk about it here today.

coryne:

That's right. That's right. It's okay. There's no more pending charges. I I was, I mean, it was 19 years old. That's crazy. I won in only foray with a jail in my life. Knock on wood. Never know.

francene:

Knock on wood. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I don't even think I survived the 12 hours.

coryne:

How did we get on the jail conversation? I could, it was, oh, about making a phone call. That's right. Yeah. I don't actually, I think it was, I think it was like seven hours and it was the longest seven hours of my life, mostly because I couldn't call anyone. So I had no clue what was happening. I was like, These people left me here. The craziest part of the story is my dad got to the jailhouse, like, 45 minutes. And I'm in Houston, like, with some real winners in that jail cell. But he was sitting at, in the jail lobby the whole time I was in there. And the only reason it took that long is their computer system was down that day. He sat there, my dad sat there for like six and a half hours trying to get me and their computer system was down. And if you met my dad, right, if you met my dad,

francene:

yeah, patience

coryne:

is not his virtue. Okay. So

francene:

he's probably like, get her out right now.

coryne:

Oh my God. Yeah. Crazy. And he had a. I probably can't tell that part of the story. He had a really good, we'll say he had a really good connection in the, in the law system back then. And that person was sitting with him and they still couldn't get me out. Yeah. Yeah. They like, it was a, yeah, it was. And of course I didn't know that I'm back there with freaking some interesting stories. Okay. Oh,

francene:

I bet. See, that's what I'd be scared of is I'd be. Intrigued and I want to ask questions, but then I'd be like, don't make eye contact. Don't look at anyone.

coryne:

You just got to make up a way better story while you're in there. Okay. So

francene:

it would know I was lying. I just cry and then like pee myself or something in front of them.

coryne:

I wasn't carrying a knife. I had a machete. Bitch.

francene:

You're like, let me tell you how crazy I am. Yeah. The last person in

coryne:

me. I'm not going back to prison, okay?

francene:

Have you ever watched that show? Oh my god, what is it called? It's like undercover prisoners.

coryne:

I've seen the one that's scripted that's like a drama, drama. Darn

francene:

it. I forgot what it's called. About what's

coryne:

in your queue to watch

francene:

now. It was like, I personally found it uncomfortable because I'm like, what happens if they find out? Oh yeah.

coryne:

I want to always wonder when I see stuff like that. I'm like, how much of that is scripted and how much of is it true? I

francene:

don't know. I wouldn't even want to test it. Wait, I want to see if this is the episode where I can. Add in. Oh, it is. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Oh, it's such a good point, but it's not until like later. I just wanted to make sure this was the

coryne:

episode.

francene:

Also, before we start, oh my God, Sarah, Jessica Parker closing. I'm so sad. Yeah, end of an era. It's only been 10 years.

coryne:

That's a pretty good run for a shoe brand, honestly. Like the, the, you know, truth of the matter is when it comes to labels like that is, especially when they're you know so like a, A celebrity label or like someone's name, you know,

francene:

like Jessica Simpson, like how she made it

coryne:

just about to say, but she is, is a rarity in that. Yeah. I mean, she's

francene:

done amazing.

coryne:

Yeah. But, you know, another label that's on, that was one of our favorites back in the day is Chinese laundry.

francene:

Wait, it's no longer?

coryne:

Cannot find them. I've tried because like I, I am on a constant quest to find a good pair of wedges again, because they do not make it like they used to. Yeah. They're like either like way too platform.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

They don't have like, and there's not a lot, there's not like a whole bunch to pick from anymore. Anyway, Chinese Laundry used to make tons of great wedges. Jessica Simpson is one. Oh,

francene:

right. And I

coryne:

have recently got a decent pair from, but Chinese Laundry's gone. Wow. And that was like a huge label for like 30 something years. Yes. I know.

francene:

I remember when they did that collab with oh my God, she was on the hills. Kristen Oh Kristen Kaleri

coryne:

loved her, loved her collab. I loved that

francene:

collection. I feel like it was very, like, I don't think she got enough credit for that.

coryne:

No, I thought it was a fantastic collection. It was super chic, and it was like, the, the thing I liked about it, because Triding's Laundry was always like, a, a lower, you know, like, we dealt in all, like, mid price range shoes, and it was kind of on the lower end. It

francene:

was, like, good quality. But her

coryne:

stuff was I still have. Me too. I was like real leathers and like the construction of what she was doing and it was at a little bit elevated price point, but yeah, I loved that label. I still have like three. I can, I'm thinking of them. I think I still have three pair in my closet right now that I still wear. Yeah. Yeah. That's such a shame. Royal blue wedges with the white wedge. Yeah. I love those. Those were great.

francene:

You know, at the outlet right now, the Jimmy Choo store, they have in clearance wedges and one of them, I went in like a couple of weekends ago and it was down to like 240. And I know this is going to make me sound really cheap for a second, but I was talking to the manager and they'd already reduced it. And I was like, if I just gave you. 200. Would you accept it?

coryne:

This is not a garage sale, ma'am.

francene:

Oh, I know. So my friend walked away and I was like, No, seriously. Like, I'll buy them here and now. 200. And she was like, I can't do that. And I'm like, Really?

coryne:

Really?

francene:

They've not, like, that power to negotiate? They don't.

coryne:

They don't have that. Oh, okay.

francene:

They actually don't?

coryne:

No. They, especially, so.

francene:

I was like, come on, lady. I don't want to pay that extra forty bucks. Help me. You're like, forty dollars is too much. I was like, can't do it. I can do two hundred, not two forty.

coryne:

If you were in like a boutique, you know, or like a non chain, I think they could do that with you. You know what I mean? But I feel like anytime you're in like a chain store, they're not, they don't, they won't do it.

francene:

I'm going to keep on trying it until one day. One day I'm going to be like, I got 10 off people. Report

coryne:

back. Please report back. I paid

francene:

700. But not 710. Not

coryne:

710, ladies.

francene:

So speaking of fashion, this episode is very

coryne:

Ooh, fashion centric.

francene:

Fashion centric. So episode two, I'm sorry. Season two, episode five, four women and a funeral. And it's Javier's. I

coryne:

actually went through the notes this time and added to them, Francine. Did you? Look at me. Shut up. Like my notes. Yes. I actually, I'm so proud of you. Oh my God. Francine is the one who's like prepared and makes notes. I fly a hundred percent by the seat of my pants. I know.

francene:

You're a memory. I like, I was thinking, I'm not going to lie when I was watching it. I was thinking to myself, if I hadn't watched this, would I be able to talk the way Corinne does? Because you do. And then I'm trying to like, think about the next scene. And even though I have notes, you're like, no, no, no, that's not the scene. It's this scene. I'm like, how the fuck do you know? Implanted.

coryne:

Elephant memory. My trick is, too, that I typically watch the episodes, like, within an hour before we do it. Smart. Like, I keep it close so that it's fresh on the memory. But yes, they're at Javier's funeral, which it, it opens with Carrie in her apartment getting ready and it's like, when's the one time you can wear the little black dress when it's not night? Yeah. It's for the funeral and I love that she says she's known Javier since he was I'm going to forget his, his, his other name or his regular name since he was not, what would you say? Since he was Harvey. That's what it is.

francene:

Oh,

coryne:

yeah. I've known him since he was Harvey, which I thought was funny.

francene:

And then. As they're getting organized, of course, Carrie's wearing her black dress, as you mentioned, and then Samantha comes over just looking so fabulous. And she says she spent, what, 2, 000 on a dress because they marked it up since the It's like a

coryne:

pale blue pastel, and it's a Javier original. Yes. And she paid 2, 000 for it. Which, to be fair, I was kind of like, oh, that's not bad. Because I, you know. That's right. Price is, you know, that's 25 years ago. Like that's, but for that time, yeah, that's a whole lot of money for that dress. And she's got like a big white hat on. Oh yeah. Like it's a funeral. Like what are you wearing? I did love about Carrie's dress too. Cause it does look pretty demure. Current trending word, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. Very demure. But it's, it, it, because it has like a cap, not a, like a cap sleeve kind of like, like a, you know, scoop neckline. It's like not showing anything, but I didn't notice right at first, but later I noticed that it has really high slits on both sides. Did you catch that?

francene:

No, I didn't. Like

coryne:

up to her, like

francene:

high up her

coryne:

thigh on both sides. Sexy

francene:

funeral wear.

coryne:

Yeah, no, it was really actually, it's totally a dress I would wear. It was really good, but at first it comes off. Demure. For a funeral. Yeah.

francene:

And I do love as well when Carrie's like, Jesus, like what are you wearing? Like it's a funeral. And Samantha's like, oh darling, everyone's gonna be there. And I just love that she just never misses an opportunity from a PR perspective.

coryne:

Yeah, always on. She's always, always, always business focused. And then Charlotte gets there and like throws a little Charlotte fit about what, well, first of all, I love that Samantha gets pissed because Carrie divulges that she got a plus one to the funeral. Who sends a plus one to a funeral?

francene:

No one. Who sends invites to a funeral? Is that a thing?

coryne:

Yeah. Don't you just go? Well, you like get the information and it's like printed, I mean, in my experience, it's like in the paper or if you're like really close, like you know when the, yeah, there's no invite. I guess,

francene:

I mean, to be fair, I guess if it's a celebrity, I mean, I can't imagine I'd be invited to like.

coryne:

Let this stand for this moment forward, Francine. I want invites sent to my funeral, okay?

francene:

I want people to dress fabulously.

coryne:

Fabulous. Shoes though? Black. Oh yes. Bring it with the shoes and open bar. Okay? Yes.

francene:

If not, you're not gang

coryne:

in, you're not gang in at entrance. Okay. This is what I want. Invitation,

francene:

but I also do love, like when when they're kinda having that conversation, when Charlotte's like, you look so inappropriate by the way.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

francene:

Thanks to Samantha. And then the minute they get there, she's like, Oh my God, everyone's so dressed over the top. She's like, give me your hat, please. Give me your hat.

coryne:

And I love Samantha hates it too. And she's like, anyone asks, it was a gift from the designer. The caveat of it all.

francene:

Meanwhile, Carrie is standing there smoking, smoking at the funeral.

coryne:

She fully lights up the way she also says this, which man I empathize with. She's like, Oh, my heels keep getting stuck. Girl, I feel you. That happens. That happens. Back

francene:

then they had an invite invented. What are those things that just clip onto you? Yeah, I never used it to be honest.

coryne:

Oh God, I could, I wouldn't be caught dead. I know how to walk on my tippy toes like a real woman. Okay? I mean, granted, I spent seven and a half years in commercial landscaping wearing no less than six inch heels. I know how to walk in the grass in heels and not get my heels caught. Okay. I wonder if I could still do that. That was, cause it's a workout. That's a workout. Oh my

francene:

God. Yes. And then Javier's sister gets up to kind of say a few words and Samantha's like, I love again, the appropriateness of being at funeral and they're like, Oh God, they've done a number on her. She just looks fabulous. She did not look like that before.

coryne:

For real. What is the show? Oh, it says something about she looks fabulous with Smith. It's like she didn't last week.

francene:

I just love it though. I just love it when they get invited to stuff like this and they're just at the back just making all these like comments and observations.

coryne:

Listen, if that is not exactly how Us and our friends act, anything we're at, I mean, like sly little

francene:

comments.

coryne:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you see, all right, we're gonna go with that

francene:

And then, so Charlotte's hat then blows off very dramatically to, oh, I don't, I don't know how, I guess he would've been very close to it. But anyway, it blows off next to this grave where there's a gentleman standing there and she's like, oh, hi. And of course. Of course, they're like flirting. I'm like, honestly, of all places to go, like, meet someone.

coryne:

Well, he is totally Charlotte's style. Just, you know, look at him. And I love, it's so funny, she is so shameless. And again, I love that she wraps it up in this waspy bow.

francene:

Yeah, ever the romantic. Yeah, yeah.

coryne:

She's

francene:

like,

coryne:

oh, is that your mother?

francene:

He's like,

coryne:

It's like, no, and she, and she's like, I'm so sorry, kids.

francene:

And he's like, no. And then you can see her thinking, pondering and be like,

coryne:

Oh,

francene:

yeah,

coryne:

meant

francene:

to be.

coryne:

I know the poor meant to be of it all with that one. And

francene:

I love when she comes back and I think they're in the taxi or car at this point and they make a comment, like the girls together being like, of course you picked up a man at a cemetery. And Samantha does the best eye roll. I love it.

coryne:

She's very dramatic. And I'm also constantly just amazed at how appalled that Samantha gets. Like, really, Samantha? I know. We, we, we see you, girl. I know, but it's all

francene:

these, like, it's interesting what, yeah like, repulses kind of her versus if Charlotte came back and was like, oh my God, we just had sex, like, outside. She'd be like, go get it, girl. But she's like, oh,

coryne:

I know completely appalled and like, what, like, what, huh? Like Samantha, you would have done the same shit, bitch, if it had been like, you wouldn't have cared if it was some hot dude who went, you would probably have sex in the graveyard. That's what I mean. Yeah, it's so funny to like misplaced. Yeah, I don't, I don't get that at all. I think that's funny, though, for sure. But yeah, Charlotte, man, she'll pick up a dude anywhere. She, again, like, I don't know. We need to, I want to troll Charlotte, just like Carrie gets such a bad rap of like, she really is the worst friend. Charlotte really is the biggest whore. Okay. Oh,

francene:

I know. I know. She really is.

coryne:

He's getting it for real more than anybody else.

francene:

And then we cut to Miranda who is buying her first apartment.

coryne:

Yes. This, this is such a bad ass. She's such a badass. And this whole, again, this is one of those poignant moments in Sex and the City that stuck with me. Like, I have my own version of the story when I bought a house when I was by myself at 27. Like, so she's buying an apartment, of course, all by herself. Samantha's obviously doing really well for herself. And at this point, she's like 35. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's no, like, she's not in her 20s. And Of course, like in the closing process, when you're signing all these documents the guy's like, what does he say? He's like, are you, I can't remember the first question he asked. He's like,

francene:

are you, Oh, at the mortgage, he's like, is it just you? And she's like, just me. And he's like, take single women. And then he's like, so I presume the downpayments coming from your father. She's like, Nope.

coryne:

Nope. Just me. So yeah, this infuriates me. And I, so when I bought my house, I will never forget that at closing, I had to sign a document stating that I was a single unmarried woman. What? Yes. And it's a state of Texas thing. And so I was like, cause again, cause I had seen this episode probably at the Four to five years prior to me buying a house. And I was like, this is fucking bullshit. And so like, I, I, I acted a complete ass and closing and like gave them all kinds of hell about it. And then I called my dad when I left and I was like, can you believe that this shit happens? Like you gotta be, he's like, well, he's like, to be fair, but he was like, when I bought this house, I also had to sign a document that I was unmarried. And he's like, it's the deed. Like you have to have some legal fee. So it was both sides. I think now he didn't have to say that he was a single unmarried woman, but but, but that, but he did have to say the fact that like he was for the deed, like, you have to be very clear about the fact, because I guess if you're married, they're legally entitled to the D is something about paperwork. Anyway, I see. I was Miranda pissed at my closing for that.

francene:

Well, and also, even if that is the case, it's the tone of it, because even when she's walking around the apartment before she's like, I'll take it, the realtor is like, Oh, is it like, is your boyfriend moving in? Like she keeps on asking all these questions and Miranda's like, Nope, just me. And she's like, yeah. Yeah. And then the realtor is like, Oh, I can. Doesn't she recommend her son or my friend's son or something like that? I wonder if it's still, I can't imagine it's like that now.

coryne:

I don't think so. I do hope not. No, I think that I think legally you still have to sign that document in the state of Texas. I think that's true again, cause it's a D thing, but. I I'm sure now, like, at least like realtors and closing agents are like, it's a way more common thing. I can't imagine

francene:

they care. Like I don't think I'd question someone now, if anything, especially in New York, you'd be like, damn, what do you do for a living? That's awesome.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, and I think there's so many people now that. Like even in my neighborhood, I know like three or four houses that, that are owned. No more than that. I can think of like seven or eight houses in my neighborhood that are owned by the woman that lived here. And then like, you know, some of them are still single. They live on their stuff, but some of them like boyfriends have moved in, become husbands, that kind of thing. But like, it's a super common thing. I feel like now, thank God. But yeah, I was I was, I was equally as appalled for Miranda in that scene. It's such bullshit.

francene:

Well, especially instead of just being like, wow,

coryne:

good for you. Yeah. Even after he completely, you know, understood that ain't no man helping her do. There was no congratulations. There was no being impressed with her. It was like he was still annoyed at the situation.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

And like

francene:

before we like we'll go a little bit out of order just with this conversation before we go back to Carrie. What I also found. Interesting is, you know, when they were all at brunch after Miranda's like, Oh my God, what the fuck? Why am I having to sign this type of paperwork? And like, none of this would be happening if I was a man, which now we've just kind of had that discussion and potentially it would, but I don't think the tone would be the same. And they were talking about how men are threatened. And then Charlotte, Jesus Christ, when she makes that comment on, Oh, well, this is why I would never buy an I ramp because I don't want a man to think I'm. Not dependent. Oh my God.

coryne:

What? Like

francene:

that's gonna make you less desirable if you're like I own my own apartment Jesus Christ

coryne:

I think it's that these are the parts of the show that like didn't age really well, you know Because I, while today that seems like, what the fuck for sure. Then that was absolutely a very common, like train of thought for women, especially women who were very much on a track to get married. Like, I definitely think that there was, you know, for sure, the idea of like making sure that you were staying desirable for a man, you know, which, oh my God. But

francene:

yeah.

coryne:

Yeah.

francene:

So then, going back we cut to Carrie, who's back at her apartment, and I need to say, the way she looks in this episode, like, I don't know if it's her skin, her hair color, the way her hair is, she looks so gradient, oh my gosh. She just looks amazing in this episode.

coryne:

Yeah, there's several. I don't know what it is,

francene:

or maybe I don't know. Like maybe it's because of last episode. Cause she looks so horrendous. I

coryne:

don't know. I'm like, she looks great. She's out of the haggard state of being without big, or maybe the, like the designer stylist is like turning it on. I don't know.

francene:

I don't know, but everything works well. And then For whatever reason, and I think partly kind of some of these prior conversations with like Miranda and others, she freaking calls big. And it's been six months and she just calls him randomly out of the blue. They have a little bit of chit chat and she asked him out for dinner.

coryne:

Yeah, I know. Like such. Yeah, it's so random. And I guess maybe like the funeral got her to being nostalgic, but it's like, you took six months of like hardcore over it and like, right back in the fray. I mean, to be fair, like this is the back and forth we expect from big and carry through the entire series. And I don't know yet, but I guess like, and another series, but like, that is. I know. Come on, Carrie.

francene:

I love how he acts as well. It's as if he's like his responses. It's as if he was kind of expecting it and he's like a little bit flurry. Like he's not like, Oh, Oh, it's good to hear from you. Or like, he's always so cool with like his responses outside of what did he say? Be there. Be square.

coryne:

Yeah, he always throws in those, like, dad level jokes, but yeah, he was totally, like, took it in stride and then immediately asks her to dinner, like, you know, like, never missed a beat. Yeah. Which I think is played that way to be like, it's equal him and her that like, you know, they're, they've both been on each other's mind. Like, it's always an option. Yeah,

francene:

I mean, he looks good. They both look good.

coryne:

Yeah, they do. Big, you know, big always looks good. Yeah, he does. So classic. For sure.

francene:

So then the next day we cut to Samantha, who's having a meeting, I guess to get contributions for the Javier house.

coryne:

I don't know.

francene:

What were they doing? They were doing it up or something. They were, they were

coryne:

opening a house to house those in the fashion industry with substance abuse issues. Oh, that's right. Because he died

francene:

of heroin.

coryne:

Heroin problem. Yeah.

francene:

Okay. That makes sense.

coryne:

So, so early 2000s New York of him.

francene:

What a way to go. So as she's talking to this guy, Richard, which, oh my god, it just makes me die when she's like, flattery will get you everywhere. And she says, Richard, and he's like, call me dick. And I'm like, she's like, okay. Dick.

coryne:

Dick. I love the way she says it. She's such, oh, God. And then, like, five, four, three, they're making out on the couch, cause, you know, again, it's Samantha, and his wife walks in. Oh, my

francene:

God.

coryne:

And I love Samantha, like, looks under him and she, like, taps him on the butt, like, Hey. He's like, Hey. Hey, guys. Your wife is

francene:

here. Yeah. I'm like, like, where were they? Were they at his house? His house is. Oh,

coryne:

that's what I thought. I thought that they, it looks, I mean, they were in an office. I assumed it was like his office. I don't know. But you know, that's the thing too, is like, you know, the wife obviously livid. And then what transpires from that point forward is like her vendetta against Samantha,

francene:

bad person. And I'm like, what, what about your husband? Like, I know. Isn't it such the thing though, like, instead of blaming the person you're with, you blame

coryne:

the other person? Yeah, I think that we gotta, we gotta learn better. I mean, that, you know, it's not that person's, they have no loyalty to you. Like, what are they gonna do? Yeah, don't expect that.

francene:

And also who's, I mean, I don't know, Samantha is obviously not the type of person that's like, Hey, do you have a wife? Do you have a girlfriend? To be honest, even if you said, yeah, she'd be like, like, again, there's no, no care.

coryne:

But apparently this woman is like the tippy top of New York society. And Samantha is at, is it brunch the next day with the girls? Yes. Thanks. And then she tries to pick up the check and the postman was back and was like, Oh, your card isn't accepted. She's like, Oh, try it again. Yes, it is. And she's like, let me be clear, your card and you are not accepted here.

francene:

Did you, but you know what was funny too? All I was thinking that moment was I looked at their plates, they'd finished brunch. So they just got their meal free.

coryne:

No, I was thinking, Oh, shit, which Miranda is going to have to pick it up. It's going to have to be very, very can't afford it. I don't know. It's probably okay. I was like,

francene:

Oh,

coryne:

I'm not paying for this. Here's over there. She's like, Damn it. I thought I was eating for free.

francene:

Do you think people have that much power though? Like, to be able to fully cut, because we continue to see Samantha being turned away from a number of places. Like, do, do you think that is possible in places like New York?

coryne:

I think in places like New York, I think it's in, Upper like higher echelon society, if you will, where you're involved in like country clubs or private membership things or like those types of events where you have to be on a list and it's like invite only that type of echelon stuff. Yes. I think that that absolutely is possible. I think in the regular world where you and I live. Ain't nobody canceling me. Does it

francene:

just be a friend? They'd be like, Oh, you're not invited. You're like, okay, let me go do something

coryne:

else. He gives me like, I'll treat.

francene:

Right.

coryne:

I'll call you as soon as I can.

francene:

So then we cut to, oh, Charlotte goes out for drinks with Ned and they're having a great time. It's all amazing. You can see Charlotte is already planning ahead. And as he gets out his wallet to pay, I guess, you then see a picture of the wife. And then, of course, Charlotte's like, oh, she's so pretty. Then he gets It's a little bit uncomfortable and it's like, you know, I'm, it's a little bit weird talking about her on the date. And then they cut to them walking and I don't know, I feel like I completely see through him and that probably makes me sound terrible, but the way he's like crying, I'm like, Jesus Christ. And she laughs it up.

coryne:

Oh, I know. First of all, the damn picture in the wallet. And like the opportunistic way that he's like, let me pay, you see that, you see that, right? I know! Like it's very, and then like the, the faux weeping and yeah, she totally like, She's like,

francene:

oh my god, it's so romantic, you just loved her so much. And then also, I feel like I get such an ickiness as he's like, you know, sniffling. They then like kiss, and then kiss again, and then he's like full on into it, and I was like, yeah, you weren't crying, it's like, you know, I know this is like the worst comparison, I don't know if Crossin does this, but sometimes Luna will cry, and I know it's fake,

coryne:

and I'll

francene:

say to her, I'll be like, no, that's like a fake cry, and then you know when they switch it off, Yeah.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. Girl, I saw through you.

francene:

I feel like the way he just immediately stopped him was fine. I was like, Oh,

coryne:

so fake. And yeah. And then it's like immediate cut to they're doing it at his house, like full on. And I'm like, so if you were so upset that you saw her picture in your wallet, would you put there and you fully know that your wallet and also that's where your credit card is. I know. Cut to we're the same night like I'll be so turned off it I mean I can empathize with you and likes, you know comfort you and also I don't listen. I don't want to do it tonight Like yeah Upset, you know what? I mean, but Charlotte fully goes for it. Like they do it twice like she's you know, just like

francene:

Well, what do they say? It's like magic to her ears

coryne:

Yeah, and then the next day when she's walking with Samantha and which was Miranda in this whole episode, she's just like Miranda. It

francene:

was Miranda and Carrie. Oh,

coryne:

it was Miranda and Carrie. Okay. Yeah. She I love that she's like Charlotte's like, yes, I just, I felt like the wife who's, she says her name, but I can't remember it. The wife was, she was there. He's like, Oh, a threesome with it with, and she uses a really big word. And I've. It was a good way, but she's like, basically like a threesome with a ghost. Cool, Charlotte. Cool.

francene:

And then Miranda true form is like one word rebound. Yeah.

coryne:

Like no, no punches pulled. Miranda's always like cut and dry.

francene:

Oh my God. I love it. And Carrie's outfit is, cause we're in the two, Thousands. Are we? Are we 99 at this point?

coryne:

No, I think we're I think we know we're two thousands because her

francene:

shoulder pads in the blazer she's wearing. I'm like, Whoa, it's very eighties.

coryne:

They did make, well, they made a comeback again recently, but didn't they make a comeback like early two thousands? Probably.

francene:

I also have a blazer in my thing that has shoulder pads, but then when they try and goes out, I just take them out.

coryne:

Yeah, I haven't, but they're very, they're very demure, very mindful. Take a

francene:

shot every time this comes up.

coryne:

I'm saying that all week. It's cracking me up.

francene:

So then, oh yeah. So then it quickly cuts to Ned basically inviting Charlotte to memorial service. This

coryne:

part. Oh my God.

francene:

Yeah. Let's just go directly to there.

coryne:

So they, they show up, she is meeting him, he's already there at the gravesite, and she meets him with a bouquet of lilies, and I guess they're there just to like, visit the grave or something, which, you know. Was it

francene:

two years or something? Weird.

coryne:

Yeah, very odd,

francene:

I know, I'd be like.

coryne:

Too soon in our relationship, down the road, yeah, too soon. Even then though, I

francene:

don't, I don't think that's anything. I don't think you, even if they were serious, why would you want to invade that type of moment? I don't know.

coryne:

I have a friend who lost her husband to cancer young. They were, and they had been married like 10 ish years and they were in their like mid thirties and he died and she remarried and actually reconnected with her recently, which was awesome. And her current husband is so great. About the fact that she lost him because yeah, The wonderful thing like they have, they have wonderful thing. And like, when he proposed to her, he used. Stones from her engagement ring from her first husband and put them in her ring. Him and like, Very like in every year on The, her late husband's like birthday and their anniversary, she always posts about it and he always comments and is like, says something, just the most thoughtful thing to say. Like he's very cool. He's just good. He's so good about it. And in the moment. Like. Genuine, I love that you had that love and I'm sorry that you lost it and I'm so grateful you're mine kind of way. So I do think there is a way to do that and it be like that and it genuinely be so wonderful. It's not on your third date.

francene:

No

coryne:

No, that's weird. It's too soon. And especially like in a place where I mean this dude is portraying himself to still be very emotional about the whole loss. I know. That kind of thing. But the best part of this scene is she shows up with lilies and he's like, you brought lilies. And she's like, you said they were her favorite.

francene:

Oh, I

coryne:

know. I was like, oh God. Charlotte Camera, camera cuts to the parking lot and there's six other women getting out of cars carrying Oh, with lilies. What? Oh my, and he's totally

francene:

just like, this is fine, right? She's like, wait, what? Are these your sisters? And he's like, he doesn't even look at her. He's like, no. And he's like, waving at them. What a douche.

coryne:

Holy crap. So you're fully like, using the dead wife.

francene:

But what's interesting is when Charlotte, of course, then hits the lilies like off of him and then is like, Oh, hell no, I'm out. If I was the other women, I'd be like, something's a little bit sus, but they're like smiling past her to him. Very odd.

coryne:

Very odd. It's like they obviously already knew the deal, like that they were all dating the same person. So weird. I don't get that at all. I know we think that dating these days is super weird with all the tinders and the swiping and all the things, but look, look, ladies, it's always been weird.

francene:

No, I know, right?

coryne:

We just have it at a more rapid pace now. Like it's the biggest difference.

francene:

Seriously.

coryne:

There

francene:

you go. So, going back, Carrie has her official date with Big after six months, she's getting ready, she looks beautiful, she's wearing a sparkly dress, and of course then she ponders in her apartment, in a world where everyone is dying to make a connection, can a relationship bring you back to life? Which is a lot of the premise of this. Yeah. And you know when they're on the date? What I observed, she's so close to him, considering they've not seen each other for six months. Like, she's so like, just infatuated with him. You can see the way she's like, her lips are just so close to him. And then she's like, but I'm not sleeping with you. And then 30 minutes later, they're like kissing.

coryne:

I think that they did like the way they played that out is like just that magnetism between the two of them, you know? Yeah. It's being reciprocated. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, he's like teasing with her and like, you know, getting her like he's saying things to draw her in, you know, like, it's definitely a, they're both doing it for sure. But it is crazy to watch like after six months and after how hard the breakup was, and like, How devastating she was and all the trying to get over it and all that, just like that fast. And it's funny too, because let's not forget, he came to her birthday dinner. So while it's been six months since they broke up, they have

francene:

seen each other.

coryne:

Yeah. Oh

francene:

yeah, that's right. And they

coryne:

kept away from each other then, but now it's like game back on. Oh yeah.

francene:

And then what's interesting is when they're then kissing, I guess, in his hallway, she's like, Oh, I can't do that or not. Not here. And he's like, well, come on, let's go into the bedroom. She's like, no, no, no, I can't do this. I can't do this. And then she leaves. And I'm like, man, mixed signals.

coryne:

Well, I, so I'm going to say if you get me to your door of your apartment I have already passed my own point of no return. So I respect that she was able to take it. Close. She was like, you can't do this. I got to go. And I, I mean, I respect it. I feel like again, you're, you're playing with fire with someone that, you know, doesn't want the same thing as you. And you've gone, this is the delusional thing that all women have done in their lives where it's like, maybe this time it'll be different, you know? So you're

francene:

right. It is interesting. Cause I feel similar to you. I would have. Yeah. Follow through.

coryne:

Right.

francene:

And then the next being like, shit.

coryne:

Yeah. The point where I could have said no was the restaurant. Like that, my bad. Like I, I can't, there's no, so I respect that she did leave. And obviously like, you know, and don't, I mean, big was very, very much trying to convince her to stay. Like he, he, Oh yeah.

francene:

He wanted it. Yeah. Yeah.

coryne:

But she walks away and I respect that, like good for her, you know, she, she did it. She got herself out of that situation.

francene:

That's true. Until we know.

coryne:

Yeah. So then do we cut to oh, there's more scenes of Samantha getting declined everywhere. We kind of touched on that already, but then Miranda's at her new apartment.

francene:

Our neighbor, Ruthie. Oh, no. Sorry. Her neighbor comes over and say hi. And she's like, yay, a young person is moving in. Then you see her as an older lady. And then this woman walking behind her, who's also older.

coryne:

Yes. And she's like, Oh, and then Ruthie comes over and tells her this horrific story. Oh my God. About the lady who owned the apartment before Miranda. She's like, well, you know, she died in there.

francene:

Alone. And she was not married.

coryne:

And yes, and Marine is like, no, oh, she did. No one knew for a week, her cat ate off half of her face. I'm like, oh my God. Like, holy shit. They were like, thanks Realtor

francene:

for telling me.

coryne:

Yeah. And so then Miranda, of course, is horrified by that. And doesn't it cut next to her that night? Like she's, she's overfeeding her cat. Overfeeding her cat and she's eating takeout and she chokes. And listen, this scares the shit out of me because like, if you're by yourself and you choke, like doing the Heimlich maneuver on yourself. Cause you have to find like a chair, force that part of your diaphragm to like, that scares me a lot.

francene:

So like, how many times have you lived like on your own? Like no roommates, no, nothing.

coryne:

A hundred percent by myself for seven and a half years. I've never

francene:

lived by myself.

coryne:

So I, when I was, when I moved from like my parents house, I moved into a dorm, I lived with her my sophomore year too. And then I moved in with my first that time he's my boyfriend, but he became that first husband of mine, that starter marriage. When he cheated on me and proved me right and left, I, I then lived by myself for seven and a half years from the time I was 24 until my life just went off from the time I was 24 until until Michael and I started dating when I was 32.

francene:

Yeah, I I never had like the opportunity to live on my own. And I was thinking about this when I was watching kind of the scene like just with Miranda that. Okay. Yes. There's obviously been times where like, I've been on my own. Not that I've ever thought about like choking or anything, but I sometimes have this irrational fear that either someone's in the house or under the bed is going to like kill me. You know, when you're like, and then you can't get out of that, like mindset. But I was thinking, I was like, you know, it must be, and I guess your perspective, it must be kind of daunting being like, this is literally my space. It's like only me in this space.

coryne:

Daunting's not the word. It is the greatest feeling ever. Yeah. Like, mostly because it's like, there's nobody else to fuck up your cleanliness. Oh yeah, yeah, I would love that. Or your lack thereof. Because when I was young and single, I washed the dishes like once a week, like I didn't do laundry for like three weeks at a time. Like I went through a period where I used to sleep like a vampire. And I went through a period where like half of my bed would be covered in like all the things I had entertained myself with over the week, like a book, a laptop, some like clothes I needed to fall, like just shit ever. Like it's, and it's also great. Like when you clean your house, like. There's a lot of stuff. Hey, nobody not. Yeah.

francene:

Like I

coryne:

love it by myself. I really did. And also it's funny because like at this age now, I have lived. With someone for so long now, like when, Like if Jason's gone on a work trip or like I am Like, there's, like, there's been times in this house where, like, for 24 hours, 36 hours, I've been home alone. Yeah. It's like, I don't know what to do with myself anymore.

francene:

Yeah, I, I struggle being on my own. Yeah, like, mentally, I, I don't know. This is when I go into, so, like, if Aaron's at the lease, and, like, I appreciate if Luna, but you know what I mean, like, in the evening, if, Yeah. It's just bad. I'm honestly like, I don't know what to do. And you know, that conversation we had last time where you're like, Jason can't sit still. I just can't sit myself. So I then go and like clean something or organize something or I don't know. And I think it's because I'm so used to not being on my own that if it ever happens, I'm like, I just don't know what to do myself. I think that,

coryne:

Yeah, especially if you've never done it. Like, cause for me, I have that to like revert back to of like, I know how to do this and I did really enjoy it for a long time. It was one of the things when Michael and I got really serious and he moved in that it was like a little tough for me to like adjust, you know, and the saving grace was that he traveled for work. So like he would be home, you know, a couple of weeks and then he would be gone for like two, three. It was like, I was kind of getting to live both lives, you know, where I could still have my alone time. It's just it's definitely something that you have to like, lean into and get used to. Because if you're, if you're not used to it, it is a very weird feeling. And I definitely have gotten not used to it in the last bit. Like 12 ish, yeah, 12 years since I've, so I've, I've haven't lived alone longer than I did, but the specifically like that choking thing, like that scares me, or like, what if you fell and like, I know.

francene:

Or like, I always think that about people. I don't know why, like, irrationally, like, falling down the stairs and being like, Oh my God, cause Mia, my dog, would just lick me. I don't even know what she would do, to be honest. She would, like, She's not,

coryne:

she's not going to go lassie, timmy, the wet. She's not going to go out.

francene:

No, she ain't doing shit. She'll just be sitting next to me, licking me.

coryne:

Yeah, for sure. Does she hear you talking about her? Yeah, she's

francene:

laying on the bed. Like, what?

coryne:

Passed out.

francene:

I heard my name. Like me? I would definitely be there for you.

coryne:

Miranda is everybody's hero. And she, like, panickedly walks around her apartment and then she throws herself down in the corner of a box and it ejects the food from her mouth. Oh my god. And then she immediately calls Carrie, who is screening screening.

francene:

That's what drives me up. Carrie's standing in the sidelines being like, oh my god, is it big? And Miranda's like, I'm going to die. I'm going to die. Is

coryne:

he calling for the third time? Should I, should I not answer and play this manipulative game some more? And she grins like I nearly died. And she picks up and she's like, Oh my God, honey, are you okay? And she tells her what happened and then she's like, I'm gonna die alone. Straight to the drama, straight to the drama there, Miranda. But she's, you know, obviously it's messed with her. I mean, I would say that's definitely, that would be a very scary experience.

francene:

Yes. And then we later see Miranda walking, I guess, like the first time she's been out the apartment and she has like a panic attack kind of there out in the open. And she ends up grabbing a cab which I appreciate Carrie's voiceover saying, you never know if a cab was going to save you or kill you. And but she goes to the hospital and Carrie comes and you know what I appreciate about this. scene is how Carrie's like, Hey, like, what's wrong? What's happening?

coryne:

Yeah. And

francene:

Miranda's so raw and honest and between friends, like that purist piece of like, I'm so scared. I'm going to die alone.

coryne:

Yeah.

francene:

And I only have like myself, there's no one else. And she's like, I don't even

coryne:

have me. And she's like, but you, you're screwed.

francene:

And she was like, I won't do it again. But I just love that. raw conversation. Like that is as much as we see some of like the surface pieces and the humorous pieces. I don't know. I just appreciate seeing those moments between friends.

coryne:

It's definitely like the realest part of their friendship and it's, I always feel like those, those raw moments almost always happen between Miranda and Carrie. A

francene:

hundred percent.

coryne:

Yeah, which is, we touched on that in the previous episode that like, I feel like they're the closest of all of them.

francene:

Oh yeah, geez, wait until we get to the films.

coryne:

Oh, I know. Yeah, I know for sure. But anyway, so that, yeah, so that's Miranda's moment. We, we, the other thing that happens in this area and part of the episode is that Samantha is trying to find some, somebody in this high society who can outweigh the person who she pissed off. And so she goes dressed up. Like Charlotte.

francene:

I, that's what I thought too. She does dress like Charlotte,

coryne:

this woman. What's her name? It's like the worst name.

francene:

Shippy.

coryne:

Shippy is her first name. Like Shippy ships or something. Her last name is also something. And she's like sitting with her, like basically trying to, she's like Samantha Jones. I think I know you. She's like, Oh, do you know me from my work at Javier? Your health. No, I think I know you from when you groped my husband last year at some event. And Samantha's like, Oh yeah, that was, that was probably me. She

francene:

does own it though, to be fair to Samantha.

coryne:

And then this lady is a complete bitch to her and basically tells her, like, you're done in this city and I have no interest in helping you. And then Samantha goes into this whole, like, you know, do you want me to just say I'm a whore? And she just like, wins no favor with this lady. She's like, tough shit, bitch, like bye. And so poor Samantha is like struggle bus with that. And then it cuts to a scene at Javier Harris with house where they're actually like building it. And she's

francene:

actually doing hard work with a feel like that's,

coryne:

that's all she had left to contribute was that she could just literally do the hard work. And so And then there, what did they say? Like six hour after six hours of hard work, Samantha looked up and it was Leonardo DiCaprio. And he, he brought her out of the, it's like this shadowy figure. They do a great job. It's funny the way they do it. So Samantha survived, she's going to have a social life. And that's the thing for Samantha in PR. That's just not, that's not just about life. That's her career.

francene:

Oh yeah. That's her job. Oh yeah, for sure. And it's interesting how you see. Like throughout this episode from the start of it and how she immediately gets in there that with Javier's Sister and it's like, oh my god. I'm taking this opportunity to the fall from grace to then

coryne:

Literally pulling her back up into society in New York City

francene:

like the number one pick for me Leonardo I love him so much.

coryne:

I use, I mean, I used, I love Leonardo of like 10 and years and beyond. From a looks perspective. The thing that bothers me the most about him now is that no matter how old he gets, his girlfriends stay the same. Yeah. I don't love that either. It's getting to,

francene:

to me it's like a, a little bit of a sleaziness of he's on the edge. Whatcha all talking about Ew. Sorry, right there also. Have you watched the movie Molly's Game?

coryne:

One of my all time favorite movies.

francene:

Okay, same. Me and Aaron watched it again the other night and I was like, I just need more. So I started listening to her book. Have you read it or listened to it? I have not. Okay, so you know in the movie how it says, like, they make a big thing of her not naming any names?

coryne:

Right.

francene:

You should read the book. Oh my God. She mentions. Everyone. And you know, Player X is Tobey Maguire. I did know that, yeah. Oh, piece of shit. Anyway, Leonardo DiCaprio is one of the ones.

coryne:

Yeah, I bet. In it too. She touches on that in the movie, that the people she mentions in the book, the only reason she did is because they were in the original court filing against her that happened before the movie happened.

francene:

Oh, cause there's like, oh my gosh. She goes into detail about so many people. It's a very And honestly, I was telling Aaron about it. It's a very different

coryne:

perspective.

francene:

Yes. But at the same time, it makes me appreciate what they, what they did with the movie, even though some of it is a little bit different because she talks about like a love story and stuff. And I think that would have spoiled the intent of the movie. With like her character. Yes.

coryne:

Jessica Chastain is one of my all time favorite actresses. Like

francene:

Miss Sloane. Oh, I love that movie. Yeah, I love

coryne:

her. Zero Dark Thirty was where I like fell in love with her. Oh, I've not seen

francene:

it.

coryne:

Zero Dark Thirty? No. Aaron would die. Okay, I'll

francene:

add it. We'll watch it this week.

coryne:

One of unbelievable, unbelievable movie. It's about it's about how they captured Osama bin Laden and she's one of the main characters. It's her. It's, it's a woman who does all the, the work that leads them to it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Also based on a true story. She's amazing in it. And then, you know, she's in the help.

francene:

Yeah. I've actually not seen that either.

coryne:

Oh,

francene:

that's another

coryne:

one. It's like. Mind boggling good. Every movie I've ever seen her in, I was obsessed with it. Like, yeah, she's incredible. Good. Yeah. Anyway, that's a great, I'll have to listen to that book for sure. Yeah,

francene:

I recommend it.

coryne:

But cut to our last scene, which is, is just the perfect last scene. Like they do it so well. I love this one. Carries it home, knock at the door.

francene:

And look who it is after, what, four unanswered phone calls? Like, honestly, good for her. I would have not. Made it that far. I wouldn't have left the apartment, so. I mean, that's some green flag energy from Mr. Big. And he looks just amazing, and I love that, again, he brings the humor of, like, everything's so, like, low key when he, he looks at her and he's like, oh good, you're alive. Perfect. And then he goes to walk off and she like grabs him, they kiss passionately and I'm like, Oh, it's just so great. And then she's like, no, no, we can't do this. And he's like, God, not again, Carrie. And they go bowling.

coryne:

He's like, we're going out, we're going out. And he like jokes with her about the fact that he missed a Knicks game that night because he was worried about her. And like, you know, this is because it's such a girl move to be like, I was worried that you were dead. Yeah. And then, but then like, they're like, They instantly, again, it's like that magnetism, like they both make light of it and like, let's go bowling. And they're out of this, like hilarious glow in the dark bowling alley. And they're like drinking beer and bowling and like having the best time together. And like, and what does her monologue thing that she like says over it? She's like something about reviving their relationship.

francene:

Yes. And then, oh, the last one? Yeah. When they go to like, he's like, do you wanna play another game? And he's like, oh, look at that. I won. And she's like, do you wanna play a second game? And he is like, are you sure you're ready to get killed again?

coryne:

Mm-Hmm. That's red flag energy right there.

francene:

I, I'm like, oh, would've said something else. But you know, before we cut, what I appreciate about this scene is. Just before they break up, do you remember she had the rant about like everything just needs to be perfect. I need to be this perfect person, blah, blah, blah. The way she's acting here is like the most natural we've seen her since prior when they were dating. Like she just seems very like fun loving. Yes. Completely herself.

coryne:

Yeah. And that is, that is a good, like transition of the way the relationship was before. And especially like where it got to and like the last two dates have seemed like a lot more fun, a lot less pressure, a lot less stress, you know, and she's, I don't really like we're really, they really haven't dived into mentally like where she's at on this because yeah. Because like, what is she thinking? Like,

francene:

Oh, you know, there was some crazy girl thoughts that

coryne:

she's like She a hundred percent wants to get back with him, but watching this back, like the, the way this transpires now, it's making me realize, like, I feel like Carrie played an equal role in this, like, will they, won't they relationship that having for the next several seasons of like, they're never really together again. But they're dating like the whole time. That's right.

francene:

Yeah, that's right. It's very, very on and off and it's never

coryne:

like in a relationship again.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

It's like the, he's the placeholder, the filler in between other people and tell of course. That's so

francene:

true.

coryne:

Yeah. But like, yeah, it's, and I feel like Carrie, this is these, this episode is making me see like, Oh, that wasn't all on Mr. Big, like Carrie's the one kind of doing this, this dance with him.

francene:

Oh yeah. So now we're like, buckle up for Mr. Big, literally season two.

coryne:

We're here. Now it'll be the constant back and forth. Now we have to start counting how many episodes he actually isn't in, because I think it's going to get. To be way less than it has been this season. I know,

francene:

yeah, considering, yeah, we're on season sorry, episode five and now he's

coryne:

Yeah, and he'll be, he'll be back, back now. We'll see a lot more of him, for sure. They must have pulled the audience and been like, ooh, we gotta bring him back. Numbers were better. Literally. Yeah.

francene:

So now, the next episode will be episode six, The Cheating Curve.

coryne:

Cheating, the cheating curve. Yeah. Exciting stuff.