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City After Dark Season 2 Episode 17 Twenty-Something Girls Vs Thirty-Something Women with guest Jeremy Jenson

• francene & coryne • Season 2 • Episode 17

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This week we have special guest Jeremy Jenson who is here to give a male perspective, and naturally he brings some spice to the discussion! Join us to go through the 2nd last episode of season 2! 

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The girls wrestle with the onslaught of 20-something girls when they are invited to a beach party in the Hamptons. Charlotte suffers a nasty punishment for passively lying about her age: her even younger toy-boy Greg gives her crabs. Sam fires her assistant Nina, only to find she is hosting the A-list party in the Hamptons using Sam's contact list. Carrie has an eager young writing admirer in Laurel and a bigger admirer in doctor Bradley Meego. Her weekend is ruined, however, when she finds Mr. Big there, back from Paris, with a new 20-something girlfriend, Natasha.

coryne:

This meeting is being recorded. That's the first most important thing.

francene:

It is being recorded, baby.

coryne:

Go Francine, go.

francene:

I'm winning at my job.

coryne:

Is.

francene:

How's it going?

coryne:

Good. Oh my God. I fucking feel like I've been drinking out of a firehose all day long and like, I had a moment this afternoon where I had like so many calls and texts coming in simultaneously that I was like, gonna die. Like how popular you are. I don't know what it is. Like I Caitlin had a family emergency and she had to fly to California today. So part of it. Taking on some of the things that she would be handling and not being able to communicate with her, like on some, that's part of it. Not a significant amount. I don't know. I don't know. But. Drinking

francene:

from a fire hose and now you're drinking from champagne. That's

coryne:

why I'm like, I'd rather it be a fire hose of champagne.

francene:

I did,

coryne:

I did tell you to bring Aaron to the party, right? Yeah, you did. Okay, good. I was, I was, I was like, did I retract that with everyone? I can't remember.

francene:

Yes. Because then I went yeah, cause I got a babysitter. And then when you messaged, I was like, wait, don't need a babysitter then. And then I was like, wait, only joking.

coryne:

Are you still

francene:

free? Yeah. So yeah, I have a babysitter coming to

coryne:

two questions. Did you get new extensions?

francene:

No, I didn't. Someone else asked me this the other day, doesn't it look longer and thicker, but yeah, I cut it myself and I cut like an extra inch.

coryne:

Is it just all your hair? It's all my hair. It looks amazing. Do you

francene:

want to know what I think it is?

coryne:

What?

francene:

Speaking of people I want to sponsor the podcast, I've been using Blake Lively's hair stuff.

coryne:

Oh. It's the

francene:

only difference. It is the only difference I can put it down to.

coryne:

Please send me the link to that

francene:

immediately. It's so, and it's so reasonable too. Oh, I love that. Yeah, I think that's it because it's so bouncy and like I haven't washed it in like. Three days.

coryne:

Yeah. I've, I've gotten to where I wash my hair like once a week. If no, my, my hair too. Like, I think it's really helped. Like, I think it's better for it. Yeah. What are you, are you drinking the drink that we love?

francene:

This is like a sparkling white, but I got it from like a wine class. Oh, I thought it

coryne:

was that thing that you made that time. No,

francene:

but I also got another one. Ooh. Yeah. There was like another version. It's like a. Sweeter version than like an Aperol, because Aperol is like a little bit sour sometimes. And that's why I like that new one. Yeah, yeah. This is another version.

coryne:

Even sweeter.

francene:

No, it's kind of in the middle. Can't wait to try it. Yeah, it's really nice so far though.

coryne:

Yeah, that's awesome.

francene:

Oh my god, I was like telling one of my friends today who was the one That introduced me to Jeremy and I was thinking back and I was like, Oh my God, he used to work with me. He left the company like three years ago. I've been annoying this poor guy for like three years to like, talk to me. Isn't that crazy? It worked. I swear to God, that is literally, I think how long it has been I'm like, that is persistency.

coryne:

That's Carrie esque persistence. Am I right? Her alcoholic boyfriend? I'm actually

francene:

looking back. Oh my God. Listen. Listen, I just looked back. I should wait for him to like, Wait, I'll tell him. He's about to join.

francene (2):

Oh,

francene:

I'm so excited. I feel nervous. Are you nervous? No.

francene (2):

No,

coryne:

I don't get nervous. Would not be very Samantha of me, Francine, to be nervous. I know,

francene:

this is why I'm acting like Charlotte.

francene (2):

That's amazing.

francene:

We're so true to, like, our people. True

francene (2):

to form. True to form.

jeremy:

How are you guys?

francene:

Awesome. How are you?

jeremy:

I'm doing well.

francene:

Jeremy, you know, what's interesting. I was just saying to Corinne, this just showcases my persistency. I look back on like Instagram on like, when I first reached out to you, cause one of my buddies Brock was like, you should speak to Jeremy. You should get him on like a podcast and I reached out to you January 2022.

jeremy:

Oh, that's not that long ago.

francene:

Oh,

coryne:

no,

francene:

not at all. That's just three years of annoyingness.

jeremy:

I want y'all to like get me to share some polarizing insights because I want to edit some stuff that I think will get some good engagement.

coryne:

Great. We have a tendency to polarize. So we'll bring it out in you. I promise

jeremy:

you everything is welcome.

coryne:

Well, good. Me and Francine have a tendency to forget that we're being recorded while we're

francene:

doing the recess. And honestly, I try not to listen back to it. Like I don't say edit, but I don't listen. And I did listen to an episode like a couple of weeks ago. And I was like, Oh, We, we just went in,

coryne:

I, on the other side of the scale, listen to every single episode. Cause you know, my own narcissistic tendencies and I love when we listen back and I'm like, do my, do my parents listen to this? Oh, well it's fine. It's fine. That's so

jeremy:

funny. I found out. So I used to have a dating podcast called what men want and like all the good guys, right. That would make very suitable husbands. They wouldn't get any listens or engagement and all the fuck boys would go viral, you know,

coryne:

we all want to hear about them or we want to be mad at them. That's that, that goes viral. Just the same, like, it's

jeremy:

so funny because my, my children stepdad. So my ex wife's husband referred his best friend to come work for me. And he, in the interview, he was like, yeah, Steven sends me all of your podcast episodes. He's your biggest fan. So my kid's stepdad listens to all my stuff. It's incredible. I

francene:

love that. And that's how I was introduced to you. Cause I used to listen to the podcast. Oh, good. That's why I was like, he's going to bring some spicy views and I'm here for it.

coryne:

The male perspective, we've, we've yet to have the male perspective on the pod.

jeremy:

My girlfriend doesn't get home. She's in grad school from six to nine. So she gets home at like, I don't know, nine 15. So we got to get into real tea before then, before I get in trouble. She hears me.

francene:

I love it. Okay. We're, we're on it. And Honestly, again, like we appreciate your time and again, my persistency. So we've mentioned a couple of times on the pod that we have a special guest Jeremy Jensen who you have an awesome background when it comes to entrepreneurship. And this Karim will have in common. And we can do like kind of proper introductions, but I, I think I said to you when I first reached out, I used to work in recruitment, so that was another piece that I appreciate about like your executive search company that you kind of built up from scratch. And not only that, but just what you do in like the Houston local community to support other businesses, which is great. Plus your podcast. And you mentioned the one you did before. But also the one path to success, which I also love listening to as well. So yay, you're here.

jeremy:

Let me fill Corinne in because Francine follows me on Instagram. So I was married for nine years. I have three kids, 12, 10, and eight. I still have a great relationship with my ex wife, but now I live, I'm 40 years old. And now I live with my 24 year old girlfriend, who was the captain of the swim and dive team at U of H, and now she's in grad school, 4. 0 GPA. She's actually from Poland and so she has a very thick accent. And so, whenever you ask me, you know, 20 something girls or 30 something women, right, I have come to the dark side.

francene:

This cannot work out any more perfect for this episode.

jeremy:

Yeah. So anyways, it's good that, you know, Francine already knew that, but now you know that. Well, listen, I'm going to apologize. I love you. I love

coryne:

you. In advance. Cause I might talk shit about that. It's not

jeremy:

personal. It's

coryne:

not about you. And

jeremy:

if you met her, you would be like, this woman's a fucking genius.

coryne:

I'm sure. I recently hired a 20 something for my company and quickly just. Think that she hung the damn moon. So it happens like there's some of them are really impressive.

jeremy:

Well, you're not too far into your thirties. How old are y'all?

coryne:

Thank you so much for saying that. I appreciate it.

jeremy:

My

coryne:

esthetician will be proud of you or me for all the things I pay her to do to me. I'll be 45 next Saturday. Oh, wow. Yeah. I am,

jeremy:

I'm gonna guess 34 maybe.

coryne:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the age I was going for,

jeremy:

so Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, this is when non HD cameras help. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

francene:

Yeah. the darkness, I, whatever. I'm 36, but only just. Like, when it's November, it's like it just happened. Yeah. It was like three days ago, guys. It just happened.

coryne:

This episode, Francine, I you were right. I watched it. I watched it last night and I knew it was coming. Like I remembered this episode from the title, but this one is a gut punch.

francene:

Yes. I forgot how, yes, just kind of going through it

coryne:

was going to be.

francene:

Yes. And I have to admit to the listeners, this is the first time since we started this podcast, I had to go on and watch the next episode. Oh, I didn't do that. I was true to form. And I also was like, Oh my God. And I'm going to watch it before like we record, but Oh,

coryne:

but the next one is the last one in this. It is the last one. So it makes sense that like they're building us up to a cliffhanger. Yeah, for sure. But it is hard, hard for you to hear me. Is it true? This is your first time ever watching sex in the city.

jeremy:

This is my first episode that I've ever seen. Absolutely. And I watched it today. So now I've seen two episodes, but it was the same episode twice.

coryne:

But did you, you, you've watched just this episode. You've never seen anything else from it.

jeremy:

I am a master of season two, episode 17 and zero

coryne:

other

jeremy:

episodes.

francene:

I love that. I love that this is how he's introduced to sex in the city.

coryne:

Yeah. I mean, it's the thing is, is it won't the, the, there's going to be parts of this that me and Francine are going to be emotional about and you're not.

francene:

You're going to be like, why are you all like,

jeremy:

you're absolutely right. But you know what? I'm, I'm an empath. And so I will feel with you guys, professional courtesy say is, is even though I've never watched sex in the city, I have admired Charlotte. Is it Charlotte? Is she the. Who's the cute one?

francene:

I mean, Charlotte's the best one. That's what you mean.

jeremy:

There's only

coryne:

one

jeremy:

cute one.

coryne:

Carrie's adorable. Samantha's sex butt. Come on. You gotta mean Charlotte. Dark brown hair. Charlotte. Yeah. This

francene:

is why I love a guy's opinion. No one likes Carrie. From a guy's perspective.

coryne:

Oh, repulsive. Too much work. Too

jeremy:

much work. Oh, anyways. Team

coryne:

Charlotte. No, it's funny though.

jeremy:

Just on aesthetics alone, she's working with a 9. 5 out of 10. That is a beautiful woman.

francene (2):

Yeah, she's stunning.

coryne:

She's pretty. Hates

jeremy:

it because

coryne:

I just, I think she, it's just, it's just personal opinion. I won't, I won't, I won't dog you too much, baby. You're new, dude. I'm gonna give you like 30 minutes into this thing before I go full force. Okay, let's go.

francene:

Jeremy, tell me, because you've never seen this before. What had you heard about sex and say, like, what was your going in the point?

jeremy:

I mean, we knew that Samantha was a slut, right? A hundred percent. That is common knowledge. Whether you watch the show or not, that's number one. We knew that Carrie was probably going to be a little bit neurotic and self centered and she needs to be the main character. I've never watched the show. And we knew that Miranda looked like a lesbian

coryne:

because she

jeremy:

gives big lesbian energy and Charlotte's a cute one. That's what I knew. That's all I knew. I am dying.

francene:

He just summed up sex and say, like, we're done. That's it. Done deal.

coryne:

This is the CliffsNotes version of Sex and the City from this book. From a

jeremy:

heterosexual man's point of view.

coryne:

Oh, you need to know. That's it. That's everything you need to know about it. Right there.

francene:

Oh my god, I'm dying. That's great. Yeah, but I

jeremy:

also knew that it was very iconic whenever it came to fashion, whenever it came to What was the gold standard for female friend group DOS, right? How you could roast your friends and still be friends, right? And so, no, I knew that it was it was certainly a pace setter that needed other predecessors to pave the way for it in order for it to be so real and raw and relatable, right? Three O's.

coryne:

I think that that's something me and Francine have talked about a lot through this, is like, when you watch it back in today's day, you know, you, we lose sight of how groundbreaking the subject matter was, like, the things, and this episode's not one of those, but like, you know, we've had episodes that talked about, you know, anal sex, or, you know, sex in public, or threesomes, or, you know, and like, now that's like, Yeah, like we talk about over cocktail, like, you know, no big deal, but in 99, like, that was not conversations that were being had, you know, in public or amongst a lot of girlfriend groups. So it was very like, not only is it a great show because it's engaging and like, you know, the characters are really strong, but it was also like. To having conversations that weren't being had yet.

jeremy:

Gary Bradshaw had to walk in order for Megan Thee Stallion to run. She laid the groundwork for us to talk about the WAP. No,

francene:

no, no, I'm bringing out my Charlotte. It is too much. That is. It's too much. It's too much.

jeremy:

Drink. Real life.

francene (2):

Francine. That's real life. Okay, that's, you know what,

jeremy:

I'm gonna go get a high noon. Y'all keep talking a high noon. Francine's lighting is a mood. This is Francine Lighting. You're giving cute girl energy right now. She's a Charlotte.

coryne:

She's a total Charlotte. I need to refill my champs. I don't know if, I don't know if half a bottle was going to be enough for this episode, Francine.

francene:

Oh my god. The next time we need to I don't know if we're gonna get through this episode, but a part of me hopes we don't, just so we can actually do something in person.

coryne:

Yeah, I know that would be fun for sure. We'll definitely have to. Jamie's gonna have to be like a once a season No, I know.

francene:

I know. Like

coryne:

Aaron's going to be so mad that he's not the originator of the male perspective on our podcast.

francene:

I mean,

coryne:

yeah. Every once a week, you have opportunity, homie. Once, right.

francene:

Once a week,

coryne:

all you gotta do is walk in the room and yell. Okay.

francene:

My jobs. Okay. Jeremy's got his drink. You're good. He got it. Okay. So scene set this episode. Wait, because we haven't actually kicked off the episode

coryne:

to episode two, episode

francene:

17, 20 something girls versus 30 something women.

coryne:

Okay. Royale begins

francene:

versus me. It starts off with like the Brady show. Do you know, I think it's very aged that first scene where there's like all those boxes.

jeremy:

Yeah. And

francene:

it's the, the couples and their they have a house in the Hamptons and then one of them gets with one of the other ones are all like cheating on each other. But it's just the scene. I'm like, God, it was so dated. So

coryne:

I feel like the Brady Bunch is so iconic in American culture anyway, that like everyone got that like immediately when the first box came up, we all knew that was about to happen. And it is a funny way that they kind of introduced the episode because they're explaining why in the next scene, Charlotte is going to suggest that they get a house in the Hamptons together for August.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

The girls. Yeah. Which I love

francene:

and they're like the Hamptons. Why would we do that?

coryne:

I love the, I love the, like, mix of co Of course Charlotte, a thousand percent on board, can't wait to go, can we leave right now? And then the rest of them are all pretty, they all have reasons why that's a terrible idea.

francene:

Which

jeremy:

I You know what I don't understand though, as a Houstonian, right, we have access to a beach, it's so close. And whenever I think of the Hamptons, I think that why, why would that even not be the most ideal place for them to vacation for the summer? I agree. The Hamptons. What do they have against that? So then it got me thinking, what's our Hamptons?

coryne:

It's not Galveston. Galveston.

jeremy:

Like literally here saying

francene:

Destin. Destin. That's what I was going to say. It's Destin. Is that what

jeremy:

it is?

francene:

Yeah. But I don't think we get a house for the whole summer.

coryne:

Yeah, that is definitely a very New York thing that it's like a house for the summer and you split it with like way too many people. But I feel like New Yorkers are conditioned to that because they live in these little shoe boxes anyway with too many roommates. So it's like you have a house like, you know, it's like no big deal to share with so many people.

francene:

Like I would say yes, immediately. Like if I didn't have like A daughter. If I wasn't married, I'd be like, how? Yes. Would I do that? They're essentially like

coryne:

getting the house for a month, but they're only going up on the weekends,

francene:

right?

coryne:

Yeah. Like they're it's back and forth. Like you're still working during the week. It's not like you need to take a month off from work or work remote, which wasn't a thing yet. Then

francene:

I feel like they're all acting older than they are, but do you know what I mean? Like, when I put myself in that perspective, if someone said that to me now, I'd be like, I'm on it. Yeah. Whereas they're my age in this, they all have excuses and you're like, you're single. What else are you doing in the weekend?

coryne:

Yeah. Like great. Go spend some time on the beach. Heck yeah. Why not? But they do decide to do it, apparently. Do they decide in that scene? I can't remember how they And they

francene:

do. They're like, Okay, fine, we'll go, Charlotte. Oh, oh, because one of the things Somebody

jeremy:

had a boy toy lined up. What was that about? Is that standard operating procedure for 35 year old women to have access to 25 year old boy toys on demand? Is that a thing? Could you stack your fingers right now and get a 5-year-old to go bring the whole summer with you to a beach house on 38.

coryne:

I don't think qualified. It's not the whole summer, it's weekends only. Only when you're in the infant. Different, different people the weekends

jeremy:

and you swap them out. Interesting. Okay. Now we got the sex in the city culture, basically.

coryne:

Oh. With Charlotte. It's a negative against Charlotte for doing that, not the 25 year old boy who just pulled the cougar to do this with. It's, let's, let's degradate the woman on it. Good call.

jeremy:

Wait, let me Google degradate. Yeah, I have, can you tell me the origin, please? I'm in my 40s. I read a lot. You put in a sentence.

francene:

Corinne is so articulate. So then it caught, you have an

jeremy:

accent. So the words that you say sound cooler than Karen's and

coryne:

more intelligent. Don't they Mississippi, Mississippi. Wait, you got to go back and listen to the episode where she can't say monogamous and we laugh for like 20 minutes about the fact that she can't do, say it, Francine, say it because it

jeremy:

goes against her religion. Are you polyamorous? Francine,

francene:

I just couldn't say it. Monogamous monogamous. Oh, you did it!

coryne:

You did it! You learned. See, learn better, do better. Look at you, Francine. I mean, I only said

francene:

it like a hundred times. Now, now I can do it. So one of the things that Charlotte says, sorry, to convince the girls is we don't know where we're going to be next summer and we might be married, we might have kids. This could be our last summer together. And I appreciate that. That's a very Charlotte thing to say. Cause she's more talking about herself.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. She's like, this is it guys. Like that husband. This is it for me.

francene:

This

coryne:

is my last

francene:

summer.

coryne:

I don't know about y'all, but I'm. But she's speaking it into existence. I appreciate that.

francene:

Yeah, she's manifesting it. So then it cuts to Samantha Jones. She's at her office. And she, whatever she's doing in her office, which by the way, the orange wall, love it. I mean,

coryne:

Samantha's office gets better and better throughout the series. And this is the first time we see the inside of her first office. And this one is tiny, but it is still stylish, you know, because that's Samantha.

jeremy:

So, so I, I have a question and it might be off topic, Corinne, but what do you do? What is your business?

coryne:

I own a digital marketing firm that specializes in social media management for small to medium sized businesses.

jeremy:

And how many employees do you have at work?

coryne:

I actually just three, well, one month ago hired my first employee.

jeremy:

I

coryne:

have been a one woman show for the last eight and a half years. And I have, you know, subbed out things here and there, but I've just hired, I actually had a, I had a business partner come on end of last year and invest in my company and hired my first person and we got, we making moves over here. So. Excellent. So

jeremy:

you can relate to this stage in the evolution of Samantha's business, putting all your eggs in this one basket and that person potentially leaving and stealing your proprietary process, your, your relationships, your strategy. It's shocking.

coryne:

In a position, and what Samantha does is very different than what I do, because in PR, in my Which is a really amazing viewpoint of it. It's all about who, you know. Oh, yeah. All about that networking list. And like, you know, having somebody be in your mix and have all that. Yeah. Like that's tough for sure. of like, but the fight that they get in that snotty ass little 20 year old bitch, man, like, I don't know how she got to that point with Samantha. Like you got balls to talk to Samantha Jones like that. She is snotty. That would not fly with me.

francene:

It's, it's interesting though, because a part of me is like, clearly that's just like her behavior. And I bet you it's something that originally Samantha was like, Oh, she's a little bit spicy. I'm going to groom her. I can see myself in her. And now it's backfired just from her now being confident. Yeah. To the point where she's like, I don't need you, Samantha, I'm going to do this myself.

coryne:

Yeah. Well, and it's funny the way that she quits, it's like, she doesn't, she doesn't lay that groundwork on the way out the door. She doesn't say like, fuck you, I'm going to do this myself. She's just like, I'm, you're not as cool as me. I'm not working for you. Like that line, that studio 54 line is one of my favorites. Ever in the whole show, like, Oh, you know, the difference from me and you, Samantha. That is, that's pretty good for sure.

francene:

And then this is when it cuts to, I think Samantha is walking with the ladies as they're walking to the bus, which I have an observation on. But she's like, these girls in their twenties are so diluted. And I think, and I don't know if you guys would agree in Jeremy, I appreciate. Like you own a business and you probably have a range of like ages of employees. But like, I hear this all the time at my work with people being like these young whippersnappers, they don't know what they're talking about versus. I think you guys spoke about it, like originally when Corinne, you're saying about the person you employed, that actually brings a fresh perspective, but so often you just want to dismiss it because. It's also a defense mechanism on the way I have all the knowledge,

coryne:

right? Well, and I think as you get older, especially in your career, it's like, it's, it's fear based that like, if they were as good as me, like what I bring into the table, what about me? Why they can hire that person for a fourth of what I'm making in a corporate environment. Like that's definitely threatening.

francene:

Whereas I guess from a fashion standpoint, it's a younger Potter, which by the way, have you watched his substance yet?

coryne:

No, I've got it on my queue and I need to watch it. I know I told you I would, but you told me it was kind of like, I've like, I gotta be in the right mood for that.

francene:

No,

coryne:

no,

francene:

no.

coryne:

Have you,

francene:

have you seen it Jeremy?

jeremy:

No. The substance. The substance.

francene:

Oh, so I won't like derail the conversation, but Demi Moore won a Golden Globe. And it's it is basically that fine line between the relationship on how you, What lens you will go to in order to remain young and stay beautiful. And it is so fucked up. But a part of me, the more I think about it is it, it still gives me nightmares, but I liked it, but I didn't like it. If that makes sense.

coryne:

That's the thing is I'm like, when do I want to watch something? That's going to give me nightmares. I know. And it

francene:

still makes me feel physically sick. Like when I close my eyes, I can see it. Yeah,

coryne:

that's horrible. But great. I'm waiting till I'm in that mood. No,

francene:

that's fair. Anyone listening? They're like, I don't know if I want to watch it. Anyway, what I was going to say is why are they going on a bus to the Hamptons?

coryne:

Cause that's the way everyone does it from New York. It's the Jitney. It's like a whole thing. And the reason why it's like, if you, cause a nobody owns a car B, if you rented a car, the drive there is. Excruciating train

francene:

or a plane. No, I

coryne:

think, I don't think there's a train out there. The jimmy is the way that you get to the Hamptons.

jeremy:

The name of the bus is that what you're saying? Jitney

coryne:

Jitney. It's the, it's the Hamptons Jitney. That's what it's called.

jeremy:

Interesting.

coryne:

Google it. It's a whole thing. Now it's

jeremy:

giving like Lake Charles. Now it's not even destined. Now it feels like we're going to the golden nugget casino.

coryne:

I feel like the fashion on the Hamptons Jitney is way better than the bus to the nugget, okay? You know, that

jeremy:

just means that the girls were not hot enough to go with a guy that owns a fucking private jet or a helicopter. Like, do better.

coryne:

Oh my god. Mr. Big and

jeremy:

his girl did not take the fucking Jitney to the Hamptons. It's because

francene:

they're dating the Like 20 year olds. Yeah.

coryne:

They're going to find the private jet guy out there also like private jet people out of New York. That's like a different echelon. That's like a, you know, like a Oh God, who's the. I'm trying to like the that's like Epstein level and you don't want to fuck with that like like where are you taking off from a helicopter from like the top of a building like where with and then there's like helipads out on the water but I don't think a lot of helicopters are flying into the Hamptons. I'm going to Google that. How

francene:

far is it the Hamptons from New York?

coryne:

I think with no traffic, let's, let's look it up guys. Cause I want to

jeremy:

watch the episode and the Jimmy said it was a four hour drive,

coryne:

but that's what traffic. That's a lot. That's a lot to sit on a bus. It's

jeremy:

giving like Charles,

coryne:

but like Charles is like two hours with Jimmy

jeremy:

traffic.

coryne:

Also like we're very different here in Houston. I feel like there's so many things. Okay. It's an hour. It's it's 95 miles, New York City to the Hamptons. So that's all traffic

jeremy:

college station.

francene:

I would leave early. Like Carrie is like a writer. I would just be in the Hamptons that summer, like the whole summer.

coryne:

Yeah, I would never come back. No, I would. Why would you

francene:

four hours on a bus?

coryne:

That's insane. I'm not sitting on a bus for the last time I sat on a bus for more than four, more than five minutes was when I was like 15 and I went on some Christian retreat to Alabama and like, I never need to be on a bus again, guys. That's all I need.

jeremy:

Corinne strikes me as the type of person that lost her virginity at Christian camp.

coryne:

I did not. You're asking.

jeremy:

Tell the truth.

coryne:

I, I shunned Christianity as early on as I could. Okay. Oh my God, my religion. I was, I was a good little girl though, and I waited till I was 18 years old. Oof. And it wasn't at a camp, okay. It was with someone I never need to see again. But this is the first time's the best time.

jeremy:

Oh, yeah, right. Oh my God.

coryne:

First

francene:

time.

coryne:

My first time

jeremy:

was on a bathroom floor.

coryne:

I was actually in a bed. I was in his bed. I was classy. Okay. Classy ass bitch. All right. Okay, Margaret.

francene:

Okay, Margaret. It was on the bathroom floor?

coryne:

The bathroom floor. How old were you? You have to be

jeremy:

quiet. My mom was in the room next door.

coryne:

Oh, God.

jeremy:

I didn't have that fancy parents with accent money, okay? You look like Francine.

coryne:

To Francine's credit, it's not an accent where she's from. Okay?

jeremy:

It's like Zimbabwe. Where are you from?

francene:

Zimbabwe. Scotland.

jeremy:

Yeah, it's not giving Scotland.

francene (2):

Scottish. She's Scottish. Oh, right. Governor? No, no. It's Scottish.

francene:

Scottish. Just a little ish. Oh my gosh. You're

jeremy:

on track. You're the team on here. Davidson. So they're on the bus. They're

francene:

on the bus. It

jeremy:

was

francene:

Charlotte's idea. Charlotte's idea. They just met Charlotte. New Greg. They walk up,

coryne:

they walk up to the bus and Charlotte brings with her a 20 something dude that she's already locked in for the summer and she has lied to the 20 year something dude. And said that she is 27 And she's, she somehow slips that into the conversation with the girls so they don't immediately out her on her age. And all three of the girls immediately seem. Put off by the fact that Charlotte is flitting around with some 20 something year old dude.

francene:

I wonder why she lied, though. Like, would you care, Jeremy? Would you care? Obviously he doesn't. It all

jeremy:

goes back to the 40 something year old guy. No, not at all. He knew exactly how old she was, and that's what created the allure of conquering her. Every young 20s male wants a milk in the repertoire. It's a thing.

coryne:

I know, I almost feel like if she'd have been honest, it would have been like, he'd have been even more into her.

jeremy:

Yeah.

francene:

I wonder why she lied. Like, why would that even come up? Like, when you meet someone, are you immediately like, how old are you?

jeremy:

No, but here, let me, let me throw another hypothesis out there, right? So when you're in a completely different setting, right? So she's in the Hamptons, she's not in her city. It's a vacation, right? So you almost want to play a completely different character. Right. Just add to the excitement, right? I know guys, a lot of times they won't lie about their age, but they'll lie about what they do for a living. They'll pretend like they're a minor league baseball player or something that just adds to the story. Like it's fucking cool story.

coryne:

I will say it's very out of character for Charlotte to be interested in someone who's obviously not marriage material.

francene:

But maybe it is that vacation mode and also then this is my last summer. I'm going to go do all that stuff.

coryne:

Yeah, I definitely think that's playing a role here for the old Charlotte. She's not she's for one once in her life. She's not dating for marriage.

francene:

Did you know the guy, though, Greg?

coryne:

Yes.

francene:

Did you recognize him? Oh, I did. And then I couldn't place him. Crossroads. He played Britney's, like, love interest. I mean, honestly, he's been in more stuff. But, like, I immediately was like, That's what she was saying.

jeremy:

Britney Spears,

francene:

Crossroads? Yeah. Do you remember the movie?

jeremy:

Yeah. I went to go see it whenever I was in high school, and that's the only movie that I ever got up and walked out in the middle of in my entire life. No,

francene:

you didn't. No, you didn't. I get it. I get it. It's not bad.

jeremy:

There was a scene where like she started playing the piano with someone and I just like got up. That guy.

francene:

She

jeremy:

played it with

francene:

that guy.

jeremy:

He's got a, he's got a, he's got a fucked up face. Fuck that guy. I'm totally jealous. He's extremely nice. He's

francene:

very, he's very. You should see him now. I actually just Googled him. He is regal in age. Really? He's aged nicely. He's aged. Like, I don't know if you can see, look at that.

coryne:

Look at that silver box. We'll post it on the Instagram. So let's do the math.

jeremy:

If he was 26 in 1999, he's born in 1973, so he's up there. 51.

francene:

How good is your math right now? Math. He was born in 1973. Whoa. Whoa.

coryne:

I was like, he could have just been playing at 26 years old, but No, he really was. That's crazy. He was.

francene (2):

Yeah.

jeremy:

But here's the deal. When I'm 51, my, my future wife. Is she's only gonna be 35 and so I've better look good at 51. Right.

francene:

I gotta ask. That's a requirement. I feel like guys always age better.

francene (2):

They do. They fucking

jeremy:

do. Especially when you have money,

coryne:

That's true. It is true. Your wallet, that's, it's always

jeremy:

Zos guys hot as, fuck it fucking, no he's

coryne:

not. I love him. He looks

francene (2):

like a penis.

jeremy:

Bezos.

francene (2):

He looks like a penis. He's good.

francene:

Oh, I'm, yeah.

jeremy:

So you don't, first of all, he looks like a penis is the highest of all compliments you could give a man. This is

francene:

not. Depends on the penis, but yeah.

francene (2):

Amen, Francine. Cheers to that. Cheers to that. Looks like a, looks like a shroom. Rough

jeremy:

estimate on how many penises

francene (2):

Francine has

jeremy:

seen in person. Stop. She's 36 years old. She's been married

coryne:

since she was like 19, okay? Please remember I'm like

francene:

Charlotte.

coryne:

Yes, she's pristine, alright? Okay. Oh my god, it's

francene:

like fire. Okay, okay. Episode. So, they get to the Hamptons, they get in the house, And all of them are like, what is this shit tip? And Samantha says shabby chic or shitty chic,

coryne:

which is funny because the house looks really nice. I mean,

francene:

yeah, same. I was like, Oh, I, I'd actually be okay with that now.

coryne:

Love it. Love this house. Love. It's on the beach. Let's do this. I can wash some sheets. It's okay.

francene:

We can do it. So

jeremy:

you need. I have an opinion about this and I don't know how often I'm allowed to derail the conversation.

francene:

Do it because we're, we're going to, I already know we're having another episode. So keep going. The

jeremy:

challenge with, with women that work in industries where they're exposed to extremely affluent clients, right? You know, Samantha works in an environment where the people that can afford her services are multimillionaires. Yes. The, the, the, the amenities that she's used to Are like 10 out of 10. So whenever she experiences seven out of 10, even though it's congruent with her income level, she thinks that it's fucking shitty is because she's going to events where the budget's 250, 000. That's true. Yeah, I feel like people like. Well they make themselves suffer because they have friends that are extremely successful. It's like, dude, you make$300,000 a year. Whatcha talking about that? They're comparing themselves to the people that make 3 million, 4 million, 5 million.

coryne:

That's one of the unfortunate parts of American society is like, even if you're not. Hanging out with, so associating with people who are vastly outside of your income level, you're seeing it, you're inundated with it on social media. And so I think that it's one of the, like, made, it's one of the major drivers of the over consumerism of our country. And like, you know, you see people all like, I'll never forget during COVID when we were like in a pandemic and like, you know, the, everybody's. You know, people are on all kinds of government funding and losing jobs and all that stuff. And I went to the Galleria for something masked up like six months into it. And the line to get into Louis Vuitton was 50 people long. And I'm like, what are we doing right now? Like what in the world is going on? And it's, you know, the people who, yeah, that's part of the issue with consumerism in this country in general. However, Samantha. Is somebody who has created her own like level of, of expectation in life. And like, you know, I mean, I can get real bougie about sheets too, and I'm not hanging out with millionaires. So should I get it? I get it a little bit. But

jeremy:

I have a 2. 1 million house and I had 30 sheets from fucking Amazon.

coryne:

Have you ever had expensive sheets though?

jeremy:

No. I haven't

coryne:

either. I wouldn't know. Is it indulgence? Like, I'm, I'm sitting on, and they're not that bad, they're 300, they're not that bad. But like, if you sleep on 300 sheets, you can tell the difference.

jeremy:

You're in the sky right now?

coryne:

I am. I always record in my, in my lair,

jeremy:

intimacy of being in your bedroom in my bed

coryne:

with me once a week. Okay. Like, don't get excited.

jeremy:

Are you a single woman and you live in a garden house? Is this what I'm hearing?

coryne:

I'm a I'm not single. I have a significant other, but I do I am divorced and live by myself.

jeremy:

You're unmarried with a significant other. Okay.

coryne:

I just

jeremy:

don't know if I would want my significant other to allow strangers in our bedroom.

coryne:

Digitally only. He's okay with it digitally. It's

jeremy:

fine. I think that he's totally anti allowing it. He just doesn't want to seem toxic and controlling.

coryne:

There's the thing that you'll learn about me, Jeremy, is I'm not much on what you allow me to do or not. I'm a degree. Please note.

francene:

Karamesis Samantha. I'm a degree.

coryne:

I'm gonna do me, and if you don't do it, come on, it's gonna be a lot of fun. And if you're not, pick the next train. I'm not much on the being allowed to do shit. All right. So anyway.

jeremy:

Shitty Sheik Samantha slash Corrine shitty chic.

coryne:

I'm gonna send you a link to some sheets after this though though, and I'm gonna need you to buy them and it will change your life. Okay,

jeremy:

Alright. You know when I started dating Yulia, she lived in a little town home. She, you know, she was getting paid by the University of Houston to be a swimmer. And now I think we need to educate Yulia on introducing me to some Egyptian cotton or whatever the fuck y'all sleep on.

coryne:

I'm gonna text it to her and she'll, she's gonna fix it up and you're gonna be like, What have I been doing with my 30 Amazon sheet life

jeremy:

to this? You can't even pronounce Amazon. That's how bougie you are. You're like, I'm a Jean.

coryne:

Penis. It

francene (2):

reminds me of a penis.

jeremy:

All right.

francene (2):

Oh, my God.

coryne:

Anyway, back to the g Where are we at? The house.

francene:

Okay Greg, the crossroad guy, just asked them to go to a beach party.

francene (2):

That's right.

francene:

And what was one of the things that Samantha says? She's like, I love the young guys, but they don't even have any chest hairs.

coryne:

No, the guys there are like extremely young and they're drinking literal beer out of a keg in solo cups. Like college party vibes, like it's very young, it's very, very young. And then I think

francene:

when they turn around, one of the girls is like throwing up and the other girl is like holding her hair and I'm like, Oh, also if I'm hung over, like I can relate. You know what I mean? Like I wasn't, I thought that they were, honestly, again, I feel they're acting way older than they. Actually are, and they're putting too much of a distance between them and like 20 and I know that's the whole purpose of this episode, but to me, I'm like, there'll be so judgy, like they're making this an age thing.

coryne:

Have you been to an event party gathering somewhere recently where you in your mid thirties, there was only a few of you and there was a lot of people in their twenties around you. So I have done this for, for, it's happened to me recently. How is it? I get it. It's like, Feels, it feels like a lot, like I, the wine list is, is pissing me off. And like, Would

jeremy:

you like the barefoot, Mrs. Karim?

coryne:

Yeah, exactly. Would you like

jeremy:

the yellowtail?

francene:

Oh, it's like not good stuff.

coryne:

We have a lovely boxed pinot. Will that work for you? And it's like, no. You're like, no, I need the crystal. No, it's not even that. Like it's, I'm not, it's not even that level frizzy. Come on now. But it's like, it's, it's like you and your Prosecco. It's like, they're like, we've got some, I can't even think of the name of that one. That's, I know the one,

francene:

the blue one. Gas station. Gas station.

coryne:

La Lamar.

francene:

Yes. You're like, no. Gimme anything else? Anything else? No. Lamar, you don't have Lamar. This was elite.

jeremy:

This is an elite business and I'll stand on it every day of the week.

francene:

What that Prosecco?

jeremy:

Yeah.

francene:

No. No, no, no. Honestly, there are 10 times better ones, even cheaper. And they're like, they taste better. It's very, yeah, generic, but, but also Corinne, like to your point, not just like the wine, but what, what about the conversation? Like when you're in those types of events?

coryne:

Not even like having to interact with other, like not having to head, but just like the energy around when you're, yeah. And like, here's, here's an example. Okay. Here's an example. I went to a dinner thing. And like it was me and like three people I knew that were in their 30s or 40s and then the rest of the table, it was a large table, were all 20 somethings. And literally the 20 somethings never put their phone down at a dinner. You mean it was

francene:

more like this?

coryne:

Yes. Or like the food, or the drink, or like the, the this. And I'm like, and they never even talk to each other. And like, I know that makes me sound like a goddamn boomer, but like, like, I still know the art of conversation. It's like the whole reason I have a successful business. And like, you know, that's like, I, I can do that at home or at fucking El Rey on Washington. Like, I don't want to eat a hundred dollar meal not to also enjoy the company that I'm with. And honestly, like, Do you like, whatever, like I'm not here to judge your lifestyle. If that's how you enjoy a meal, enjoy it. But that's not how I enjoy it. You know what I mean? Like I like to get

jeremy:

to women because I don't know if men would have the same perspective, right? I don't necessarily know.

coryne:

When do you, when you go out to dinner with a group of guys, tell us what that looks like.

francene:

Yeah. Tell us. Well, like what do all talk about

jeremy:

Like a group of young guys is what you're saying?

coryne:

Or just like if you were, I don't know, have you recently been in a mixed company of men your age and younger men or like. Even when it's just men your age, like

jeremy:

that's a great question. You know, I think just because of the nature of my relationship with the 24 year old, I have a lot of younger female friends that are her friends. Now they're, you know, international students. They're division one athletes, right? They don't really drink. They're not party girls are not promiscuous, right? And so it's a different level of conversation with them, especially because of my. Being in the recruitment industry, they all view me as this guy that can help them get a job. And so I talk about like their career and their relationships, and I'm almost like their life coach to some extent. And so it's a little bit different, but you know, you make it a unique observation because I don't have a lot of guy friends. In their 20s, and I think it's because in order for me to be your friend as a man, I need to respect and admire you. And there's not a lot of guys in their 20s that have their shit together.

coryne:

Or 30s, 40s, maybe. Maybe that's just my, that's just my experience. There's

jeremy:

just not a lot. Well, I think that's exactly how it is. Well, so I don't know, but there's not a lot to talk about with those guys. You're absolutely right. And

coryne:

I mean, that's a generational gap, but like, I will say that the girl that I hired recently in her twenties, I could talk to her for three days straight. Like she's intelligent as hell and like honor shit. And I like, I genuinely like who she is. Like, and so there's that, I mean, it's not, it's not a, I don't like to overgeneralize, but like, it, that's just been, my experience is like, you know, The, I don't know, there is definitely a difference and I think that Sex and the City is showcasing that in this beach party in a very blown out way because of course that's what they want us to experience. And the writing of this episode is like this stark difference between where Charlotte, Samantha, Miranda, and Carrie are at versus these people who are literally throwing up on a beach drinking keg beer, you know?

francene:

It, you know, on that though, how they. Kind of provide that overview of like, you know, people in their twenties and like specifically like some of the girls as they go through this episode. The one piece that I found interesting that they kind of plopped in there was the fan of Carrie Bradshaw. You know, the one that she met at the beach party and she was like, Oh my God, Carrie Bradshaw. I'm like the biggest fan. Like, I'd love to meet with you, blah, blah, blah. And Carrie gives her her number, which good for her. But then when they go to a book party together, one of the things she brings up is, Hey, I'm looking for advice. I'm writing a book she's 25 and she wanted advice on like, should I be writing this book? And Carrie's like, what's the subject matter? And it's a memoir

coryne:

about

francene:

not having sex, saving themselves. And Carrie's reaction is like. What? And she's like, to what extent? And she's like, no sex, no blowjobs, no touch, no nothing.

francene (2):

Yeah.

francene:

Which I was like, that's very interesting how, you know what I mean, they're showcasing one piece of it and then the other one on like, I'm just not gonna do anything.

coryne:

Yeah, that's

francene:

very extreme. I feel like you're wasting a big component of your life there.

coryne:

It's also an interesting other conversation to bring into this whole episode that really doesn't have a lot to do with like, you know, it's like a whole nother. I don't like that. I have so many opinions about this, but it's like the, it's a very different conversation to also bring into this episode of like, cause I remember that there was like this resurgence of like virginity and like saving yourself at this time in like the late nineties, early two thousands, especially from like, you know, people who were hardcore into religion, but they don't bring religion into it either.

francene:

Yeah, but then imagine you save yourself and then you don't know any better and the guy's like selfish or shit or it's quick or like, you don't know any

jeremy:

better. You don't know any better. So it's like if the only meat that you've ever eaten is a pork chop, it's fucking good enough because you've never had filet mignon. I

francene:

know, but like No, I subscribe. You must know. I

coryne:

subscribe to

jeremy:

the Waiting Until Marriage.

coryne:

No, you didn't.

jeremy:

I subscribed to it.

coryne:

Did you wait until you were married? Fuck no. Exactly. Are you planning on waiting until you're married with your current girlfriend? No, you're not. Don't lie. Men love to say that shit. You fucking don't. You didn't. You don't expect women to do that. Come on. I'm just saying,

jeremy:

it's a very admirable quality of a sweet young lady.

coryne:

Oh, I don't think it's something that society places on us that somehow men are taking value from us because we choose to have sex before we're in wedlock. And let's not forget that marriage is a construct of society to keep women from being. Too strong, too powerful, too loud, too big, too successful. Okay. Like that saving yourself. That's such bullshit. Nobody ever puts that on men other than the Jonas brothers. I can't think of a single man ever in the history of the world who said they were saving themselves for marriage. Did they wait? No, well, remember they wore, so when they came out and were like a very long They weren't big in the UK. So, and I wasn't, I just know this about them because it obviously, it incited something in me. But like, when they first came out, they wore promise rings. Like, like, you know, the What do they call those? We did it in

francene:

one tree Hill as well. There was a big thing about, and

coryne:

they wore them because they were like, they came from a really Christian upbringing and they were very young. They were all teenagers when they got, they became really famous. And it was one of the big things about them is that they were all virgins and they were saving themselves. Not a single one of them kept that promise or saved themselves till marriage. But they did that. It was like a, and that was, you know, like. Well,

francene:

it was the same with Brittany and Jessica Simpson, that they were told by their management team to say that they were virgins, but they weren't.

coryne:

And Brittany was having an abortion from Justin Timberlake in the midst of that. Just think of

jeremy:

how powerful that child would have been. Honestly. Just doing the moonwalk at three years old. No real singing voice, but okay, you shut your mouth. Justin Timberlake is a fucking saint. I do

coryne:

love Justin Timberlake. I meant that more for Brittany and her autotune, but anyway, so that we all don't agree.

francene:

We don't agree with saving yourself.

coryne:

No f that I'm big no on that.

jeremy:

You know, if I had a daughter, I would subscribe to it. I'll tell you that.

coryne:

Not a son though, obviously not a son. It's, yeah,

jeremy:

I, I don't,

francene:

I, I even

jeremy:

wi itt, oh no, you gotta go out. You gotta, you know,

francene:

it's the same with a girl though. You need to go experience it. You need to know what you like and what you don't like. And if you don't do it when you're young, I'm, I mean, when I say young, I mean appropriate. I have a daughter. I'm like, no, no, no. You can wait until you're like 18.

coryne:

Yeah. I always tell her she can't get married until she's 30. But the, like my, so the that jogged something in my memory about my mom, my mom was really great about telling me from a very young age, like you would never buy a car unless you drove it. That doesn't mean you need to go test drive 30 cars, but you would never buy a car unless you test drove it. Like, sex is an extremely pivotal point of any good relationship. Like, why would you ever encourage anyone to commit themselves to life and expect them to be able to hold themselves to that verbal commitment, that verbal contract with someone else, if they had no clue what that large piece of the pie was even about? And like, the truth about women, Like, we don't understand, we don't know our bodies because of a multitude of reasons it's a whole nother podcast, but like, it takes us time to like, be able to understand what feels pleasurable or how we even get there, and the truth of the fucking matter is, is that any man that you're in a long term relationship with is going to reap the benefits of you knowing your body well enough to enjoy it. So like why would you ever encourage anyone to not discover that about themselves or like know that they're getting into a contract with another human knowing the whole picture like it's this antiquated. You know, a mystical thing, basically.

jeremy:

Do you think that sexual compatibility can be learned, right? Like, you can't, you can't It's harder to teach a man to have strong character and integrity and, and good income potential and emotional intelligence. It's harder for them to grow in those areas. Then to just learn how to get you off. I feel like that's not that difficult.

coryne:

I don't disagree. There's

jeremy:

communication in the bedroom.

coryne:

I don't disagree with that. Depends on the guy. I also know for a fact that women have a harder hill to climb when it comes to understanding themselves in a bedroom. Every man on the face of the fucking earth has no problem getting off. 80 plus percent of women do. Get him

jeremy:

out and in and out and in and out and in and out. Exactly.

coryne:

Women, it's not like that. And it's also

francene:

a lot

coryne:

of mental. Yeah. And like, I mean, even for me, like who have, I've always been very like open sexually, like I'm not, I'm not somebody who's subscribed to any of that stuff that society or Christianity puts on us ever. But it took me until I was in my thirties to be really in touch with like what I liked and what I didn't and what felt good and who I really was attracted to. And so like, I would never, ever, ever ask my daughter to not know that about herself. Like it's her body. It's her like, go expel, like, make sure you know what you like. We never sell that to men. We never say that to men granted. They're more simplistic creatures, but nonetheless, I, I digress. The chick at the party, Francine go.

jeremy:

Yeah, but the chick at the party, the reason why. She was fucking crazy. It had nothing to do with the fact that she was a virgin. She was like obsessed with Carrie. I

francene:

agree. Yeah, I agree.

coryne:

To be fair, if I was in my 20s and I met somebody who had the success and prowess and all the things that Carrie has at this point, it's like meeting, it's like she's starstruck.

francene:

But we've spoken about this before, like from an etiquette standpoint on how right, how to be able to handle yourself in those situations. Like there's a better way that if it was me, you would approach Carrie and also instead of being that crazy person, you're like, oh my God, are you drinking like a Cosmo? Did you just get that guy's number? What? Turn the relationship where you're actually building that mentorship versus Carrie, like towards the end of the episode is just like, I just need to get away from you

coryne:

because

francene:

you're adding no volume. There's nothing you're bringing to that conversation.

coryne:

Honestly, I can't believe how Carrie, how nice Carrie is to her. Yeah. Same.

francene:

That's very out of character.

coryne:

Yeah. Repeatedly. She like. Is it like this? Is it because I'm that cocktail party. I would have never answered her call again. Like Carrie, like repeatedly engages her, which is very kind. Very, very.

francene:

I agree. What, what I'm trying to, I'm trying to think, cause I know Jeremy, you have like 15 minutes. But we do want your time again.

jeremy:

No, no, no. I'm good. Yeah, yeah. Keep going. She can make a little appearance as well. At least 12.

coryne:

Play something on the pod guys.

francene:

So the other thing I was going to bring up.

jeremy:

She's never seen one episode of Sexton.

francene:

She's never seen one episode?

jeremy:

She was born in 2000. The episode came out before then.

coryne:

She needs to watch it though. It's, it, I, it's a rite of passage. I had a I feel like it's a rite

francene:

of passage too. Yeah. Every female.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. It's good to watch. I had a girl I interviewed recently in hiring for this position, who was 24. And she told me we got to talking in her interview and she told me that she had just started watching sex in the city. And I was like,

francene:

hired

coryne:

knew I liked you.

francene:

Versus, remember I said to you, there was like a guy at my work and I mentioned I have like a podcast and he was like, my mom watches that and I was like,

francene (2):

oh, no, that's me.

francene:

Okay. So the other thing I was going to highlight from this, so Charlotte dating that guy, obviously they're, you know, doing whatever, but she realizes he gives her crap.

jeremy:

No, no, no, no, no. She thought that she had a tip. That's right. That's the funny part because quite often we create this narrative in our mind, right? That we even know is not reality because we want to convince ourselves that it's innocent, but it's the virgin girl that, that knows what crabs looks like.

francene (2):

Exactly. No, no, no, no. How did she know that? He's got slutty

francene:

friends, but I feel like, was this more of a thing back then? Cause I don't know anyone that had crabs. Well,

coryne:

go ahead.

jeremy:

I think that that, that standard hygiene is to be completely shaven now. And then in the nineties that there was hair, which is where the crabs live in my experience.

francene:

Oh, that's a great, This is why everyone needs to be

jeremy:

wrapped.

francene:

No, I guess you're right. Ugh,

jeremy:

that's

francene:

so gross. Oh, it's so gross. So you wouldn't, you would never get crabs if you were waxed then?

coryne:

What? Yeah. If there's no hair, they have nowhere to live.

jeremy:

Well, I tell you, the wax ladies are selling that shit all day. I would.

francene:

Why is that not their slogan? We'll get crabs. Get waxed. Right now, just for posterity.

francene (2):

That is crazy.

francene:

That's funny though. I will say

coryne:

though, in all of my crazy twenties, in all of my gay friends, in all of the people that I don't know, single person who's ever had crabs. I don't know. Lots of other STDs. Lots of other ones.

francene:

I don't know any, any, I've never had exposure to any of that.

coryne:

I do have to say too, I loved the visual of this when she, they're like, Oh, that's crabs. And then they throw the crabs in the pot. Oh yeah.

francene:

Miranda. Of course it's Miranda making them. She's like, I'm cooking. She's bringing nothing else to the episode,

coryne:

right? Cooking and sunscreen. That's all she

jeremy:

does. She's so unattractive. Oh, my God. It's abysmal.

coryne:

It gets better. We've talked about this a lot because I have a lot of issues with her hair to this point, but she does I did post

francene:

that picture.

coryne:

She ge I know. She gets way prettier and softer and they finally figure out her style and her hair. Like, she's not an ugly woman, but they are doing her no fucking favors to this point.

jeremy:

I'm not going to disagree with you. Her face is less ugly than Carrie's face.

coryne:

Carrie has a very oval face and a nose, but I do think she's, I still think she's, I don't know. I love her style. I love it.

francene:

I mean, and her, like I wrote a comment from like when they're in the beach, her body, it's so tight. And I love how she

coryne:

wore a bikini top and board shorts. Yeah, I didn't

francene:

love that, but I mean, yeah, she told the officer,

coryne:

It was very like tomboy for her and she doesn't dress like that very much. Good choice.

jeremy:

Yeah. That potentially be why the doctor kind of caught interest in her is because she was Maybe dress a little bit more modestly at the party and not just in a little two piece showing it on the wall.

coryne:

No, it wasn't the party. It's because she's attractive. And at the party, I don't remember, what was she wearing at that cocktail party? She was

francene:

wearing it was like a black dress, but what's interesting to what you're saying, and I might be wrong, but you look at Charlotte taking up this different persona of being like 25. You look at Oh, wait, I forgot where I was going to go with that. Maybe that's another thing for like Carrie, if she's on vacation, she's trialing. I don't know. Carrie

coryne:

was at a cocktail party, a book launch. She was

jeremy:

at a cocktail party, you're right. Yeah, it

francene:

was a book launch.

jeremy:

He was the physician of the actual author of the book.

francene:

Yes. Which also, you know what I thought was weird? You know, when he came over to say hi at the beach,

jeremy:

Yeah,

francene:

I'm like, Oh, give me a second. I'm just going to go swim. Why do you don't think that's weird? Like you just came and said hi to like all of her friends and then. Like, what do you think, going to the war? Why didn't you do that before? He knows his angles!

jeremy:

He needs the glisten,

coryne:

alright? But he should have done that before he walked up to her, like, That's what I mean! I didn't understand that.

jeremy:

You have a finite window, you have a finite window to mark your territory and be like, I'm coming right back, don't talk to any other motherfuckers here. BRB, let me go get my tan on. And I'll be where you were going, Francine, that Charlotte was trying to get the 26 year old. And so maybe she wanted to address a little bit more provocatively and if Carrie was dressing a little bit more, I don't know adult ish, maybe she. He's going to attract a completely different type of demographic, right? So you, you have to catch the fish with whatever bait you set the hook with.

coryne:

But she met him at a cocktail party dressed like she always dresses just to the point. While she's wearing board shorts, she's still, those board shorts are barely hanging onto her hips. She's literally not showing from her hip bone to her knee. Like it's, that's not, not provocative. Like it's just a different take on the look of how she's dressing. I mean, it's not from the 90s. Like bikinis weren't, we weren't all showing our asses in the 90s in our bathing suits. I know,

jeremy:

it was like good in the 80s and it was bad in the 90s and then it got good again.

francene:

But do you not think, Corinne, like her dating the doctor? He's not like the other guys she's dated. Like, he's so boring and plain and I'm like, Ugh. Not good looking. Not at all. I'm sorry. He's

jeremy:

not good looking? I thought he was cute.

francene:

Absolutely not.

jeremy:

Oh, I have absolutely zero pulse on what a man. There was nothing

francene:

there. The hair and the chest hair. Yes! Oh my god, Corinne, I had the same. I had the ache when he, like, walked over.

coryne:

I mean, you know, again, like he's obviously successful and intelligent and that is attractive as well, but like visually, he's not, he's not setting off any alarm bells, but there

francene:

wasn't any chemistry, the more you saw them together. I was like, Oh, the fourth. A little bit forced,

jeremy:

right? Because he was good on

francene:

paper, but bad in bed.

coryne:

Love my girl Samantha going right to the jugular with that thing where she's like, mm, good on paper, bad in bed.

francene:

But you know what though? When she, so when Charlie gets crabs just for everyone else who are, who's trying to keep up with this episode. Carrie's like, I can't, I can't stay in this house. So she goes and stays with a doctor and then they have that very awkward exchange of he's like, well, are you going to stay over? And she's like, yeah, but like nothing's going to happen. And then they're sleeping in bed and she's like, it was like a really nice, like restful night or whatever. But I'm like, you can tell there's no chemistry.

coryne:

Who sleeps in bed even if you've already agreed like this is for sleep and nothing else who doesn't sleep under the sheets. Yeah, I know. Then both of them like they're both laying on. I agree. I

francene:

need something over me even if I'm so hot. I need something. I need to wait. Thanks.

jeremy:

I'm not familiar with the New York climate. You don't know. There's like zero humidity up there in the Hamptons.

coryne:

I would still need something. I still need that cover. I mean, it's hot as fuck here, and in the middle of the summer, like, I got a sheet, I got a comforter, I got like a pillow thrown on me just for extra weight. Like, I still need covers. I

francene:

always think it's strange when people don't need a cover. Like, I question them as individuals.

coryne:

Yeah. Pillows too. People who sleep without pillows. And my, my guy does that. And I think it's weird.

francene:

He sleeps without a pillow? No pillow? No nothing?

jeremy:

What is he, what is he resting his head on his arm or like your

francene:

300 sheet? We'll send a link to all our listeners

jeremy:

Go back to this So when you look at women in their twenties, I feel like quite often they're going for the guy that's good in bed, right? The one that sends you on the emotional rollercoaster, the highs are really high, the lows are really low. That's all we want.

francene:

Yeah.

jeremy:

It's a toxic relationship, but it's never

francene:

boring and

jeremy:

that these guys that are good on the fucking paper have absolutely no shot. With these women when they're in their 20s and then they get in their 30s and then they realize Oh, Hey, I probably should have gone with the guy that's good on paper. Did the guys know that are good on paper at 34, 35. And now they're finally marrying the girl. That's 31. Did they know that she's been around the block?

coryne:

Does it matter? I don't know. They

jeremy:

have

coryne:

fucking matter. Like who does he just

jeremy:

be like, let's move to Boulder, honey. I got a great job opportunity. Is that why people move with their wives? Because their body counts starts over.

coryne:

Oh my God. Who gives a shit about body count out of your twenties? Like that's the thing is like that in a relationship with someone, when you find that magical connection with someone else, where all the stars fucking align and all your fucking mental health issues and. Generational trauma and financial shit and kids from other people lying the fuck up. I don't give a shit what you did before we met. I don't care. Why do I care about that? Why does anybody care about that? Like, that's silly. That's, that's that's some antiquated shit in my humble You're

jeremy:

so progressive. Look at you. I thought you were in public relations. She's in public sexual relations

coryne:

now. She's a, she's a strong woman who has grown up in the patriarchy and says, fuck that shit. That's that's a bunch of that's that all of that is put on women by society and, and religion. And like, none of that has any actual bearing on happiness or success or any of the things that really make life worth living. Like those are social constructs. Why, why subscribe to that?

francene:

I think that's it is because So many people do and they let it, they let it, I mean, we've seen this in some of these episodes where like the girls let those external viewpoints change how they feel or change the decisions that they make, right?

coryne:

We're taught as women, we're taught as women that we are valued less if we choose to not save ourselves for marriage, number one. We're valued less if we're big, if we have a loud voice, or we don't fit into a size two, or we're tall, or we have hips, or boobs, or anything that is outside of the standard. We're told that we're less. It's hard to break it. It's hard to get your mind out of that game where, like, you feel like you're less if you don't subscribe to the The silliness that society creates within us. And we're inundated with it constantly. And men don't have any of that. Men don't have any of that men do. I will respect that men do have a social pressure put on them of being a provider or of, of creating a financial situation where they can support a woman, but, and that's equally as hard to deal with, especially when you get into a situation where you fall in love with a woman who doesn't need that from you, then how are you? Eat it. How are you valued? How are you creating your worth within that relationship? But I mean, I think it's time that we kind of turn all that stuff on its head.

jeremy:

It's going to be very difficult to culturally change it. I'm telling you. I mean, this is the way that this is the word

coryne:

having was ever easy to get.

jeremy:

Yeah. All right. Now we can segue.

francene:

Okay, so we're they've just been invited to the Hamptons hoedown and who's the one hosting it? Nina G. It was the blonde, Samantha's previous assistant. She stole all of the contacts and she goes ahead and invites Samantha. And I will say, before they go to the party, I appreciate that Samantha goes to it.

coryne:

I do. And I appreciate that they get the invite. And I do think that's really classy of her to be like, nope, we're going. And I hate how much it affects her. I get it. But I hate how much it has an effect on her that she's already like, she's in her feelings about it.

francene:

But then I also wonder when you've built up a business and we, we obviously see her office now compared to what we see in like, you know, future seasons, this is truly still at the beginning of her career where she's like, You know, building up herself. That must have been such a blow, like professionally. And then when she shows up at the party and she's like, there are people here who wouldn't have come if, you know, I invite them to like previous parties. They haven't come.

coryne:

And she also says that she was up to do this event. Oh, that's it. Yeah, I guarantee I know why I know why I'm sure Nina G under bit it. Like, I'm sure. Oh, 100%! Yeah. For sure. But yeah, so they go, and it, it's fabulous. Like, it's all, there's a ton of people there, like, the theme is on point, like, they're serving. Like, what's the appetizer that they come around with? It's like a beef carpaccio something. I can't remember what it is. Slider or something like that. That's

francene:

good attention to detail. I never wrote that down. I was just seeing all the, like, rodeo theme. It's also really funny. Very Houston.

coryne:

Well, it's funny to be from Houston and see what they think rodeo looks like. All the cowboy hats,

francene:

bright pink. Like, Not cute. Not cute. I mean, I'm here for it. So then. We see what happens.

coryne:

Well Samantha says she's like, I'm gonna go find Nina and congratulate her, which another level. Which I also

francene:

love that she does that.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. So she, she sorts her out and finds her and she's, and Nina G even says to her, she's like,

francene:

I can't believe you came. You know, That's very fake interaction though. That's a typical, they're like, oh my God, you've done so good. Like no hard feelings, but you know, inside they're like, I hate you. Daggers, daggers, I hope it all goes wrong. And lo and behold, shit starts going wrong for Nina G fireworks going off at the wrong time. And I

coryne:

love that she is in full freak out. And I love the friend of hers who's obviously she's hired to help out comes over. She's like freaking out about something. She's like, you are so coked out right now.

francene:

Yes. And I and again, I appreciate that they're clearly trying to like, Show so much more of a contrast on how they would have dealt with that situation, but it is very immature. That's like how I would have dealt with something at high school. Like, oh my god, we need to like,

coryne:

start this out. I love that it all starts to go awry and immediately Nina turns to Samantha and is like, Please help me, like, this is falling the fuck apart, and Samantha's like, Let's go. Like she She's on it immediately, which I also

francene:

love that she does that because I also think that is partly, it comes down to like her reputation too.

coryne:

Yeah. I think it's like she does, she can't handle this, and so it's also kind of, it is, it's a good feeling to be like, oh, you thought you had this? Yeah, let me fix it. But, but again, The

jeremy:

fact that I hired the low bid is gonna know who saved the day, for sure. Right.

francene:

But I wonder how many people would walk away from that situation. The, the, like, in a Samantha's position? Yeah, I just mean like, oh, well, you, you did this, bye. Like, you know, just to see the satisfaction of her clearly fucking it up.

coryne:

Yeah. And I really feel like, you know, from a, like a competitive standpoint, it's like, I want you to fail this because I don't want anyone ever to hire you over me again, but it's like such a level of class from Samantha of like, she saves the day. And I will say, like, I do see kind of the you know, the opportunity for her because like that, the guy who paid her Nina G to do it was standing right there. Like right before that. So he's going to see Samantha

francene:

be the one and he knows

coryne:

who she is. He knows who she is. So it's like, it's like opportunity in it for Samantha to like, no, I got this. Like save your freaking party that Nina G just screwed all the way up. You know,

francene:

if she knew that was going to happen, that's why she's like, let's all go. Let's see if she can handle this.

coryne:

I wonder if she had her spidey sense tingle. I

francene:

would like to think that was the case.

coryne:

Yeah. Me too. I would like to think she saw it as an opportunity to say,

francene:

Okay, so we are now coming out to like the last scenes where this is the one that just like, Oh, just broke my heart. Okay. So Jeremy, just as a background, cause I know you probably watch a scene and you're like, Girls are so dramatic. So like Carrie and Mr. Big, who she then bumps into, they have had this long relationship over season one and two. They've been kind of on again, off again. He wouldn't commit. I will say there was an element where Carrie was a little bit cray cray, but in, in like our fan hearts, we're like, they should be together. And they weren't.

coryne:

Even though she had moments of cray cray that justifiably Big could have gotten sick of, he didn't. He didn't. He persisted. There is a connection between the two of them. Like, there's, there is a big again. I think the last time we saw Big and so, Mr. Big the last time we saw big, they broke up because he was leaving for Paris for work. And it was a whole thing where he didn't even consider her in that. He had to go to Paris for work. He didn't even tell her about it. He was just like, I have to go to Paris, I might be there six months. And it ended their relationship. And what you're about to see is the very next time that Carrie sees him.

jeremy:

Yeah, but I think quite often women confuse chemistry with compatibility, and I think that that's a very unfair you know, allusion that they should associate with one another. And so there's no doubt that Carrie has chemistry with Mr. Big.

coryne:

It's not just Carrie. He incorporates her

jeremy:

kick, Bray. The sex is probably good. He's obviously extremely good looking and successful. But he's telling her right out of the gate, especially if he's moving and making life decisions to move across an entire fucking ocean, that the compatibility factor is not there and the timing's not there. He does not agree with her. I know, and so why can't she view that as Boom, closure, nail in the coffin. Why don't you

francene:

Jeremy, we're women. We're not Did you see how long it took for me to like get you on this podcast? Three years. Could you imagine what I'm like when it comes to like a love interest? Ho, ho,

coryne:

ho. We're not letting this

francene:

go.

coryne:

Aaron's like, two years later, this chick wore me down. This is some

jeremy:

fuckin Ariana Grande. Thank you, next. No.

coryne:

The other thing though, is that you, and you haven't seen this whole thing, so you're snapping to judgment on this, but like, it's not just Carrie. It's not just Carrie who does the back and forth and like men love to blame women for that, that we misconstrued chemistry, but men have do a really good job of giving us really fucking mixed signals and continuing to come back to us. Like the minute you're

francene:

over it, you get a message and you're like, where have you been? Why are

coryne:

we Let's hang out. Oh, I Wait, I don't think the timing's right. I don't I'm not ready. It's not you, it's me. And then like, you know, one week later, they're like, It's me. Come over. I love you. Like, it it's it's It's a two way fucking street. Carrie didn't get to this place on her own. And big The thing is I know this is a story, but like this story between the two of them is something that they're just wait for it. We're going to make you watch more episodes.

francene:

So she just to like paint the picture carries wearing like a cowboy hat. She is like a great again. Yeah, like a bralette kind of long maxi skirt. And I would say she's very typical carry like out there. And it's, oh God, it's such a contrast when you see big and Natasha together where they're very like white beige, just.

coryne:

The red herring for what's coming in their relationship. Yeah, like Carrie's just always like

francene:

the, not messiness, but it just doesn't suit. And I feel they did that purposely to showcase like Mr. Big and Natasha. They just, they look to your point, Jeremy, like compatible and the way she sees them and. The way Carrie dealt with this is not how I would deal with this, but it's just when she goes over just staring and she's like, It's you. I'm like, you could have said anything else.

jeremy:

Anything else. She's like,

francene:

is it you? Yeah. They

jeremy:

do. Let me go find him. He's a doctor.

francene:

Yes! I can't. I can't. It was just And even the way Natasha is like I've heard, oh, the way she says it though, she's like, I've heard so much about you. Like she's all like, she's like, I'm going to go somewhere.

coryne:

I took that. I actually like, I liked Natasha. I didn't fault Natasha for this, for any of it, honestly. I'm like,

francene:

are you

coryne:

okay, Kari? I've heard so much about you. Why has she heard about her?

jeremy:

You're a good woman. Who doesn't like that girl?

coryne:

Well, I appreciated that about Natasha that because she seemed to me, she seems genuine to carry. And it also, to me, spoke to how important carry is too big. But why was

francene:

he speaking about her with her? Because

coryne:

he's in love with her because he fucking loves Carrie. Like we know that. I know. And

jeremy:

Natasha knows exactly what it is. She doesn't have any illusions that she deserves a ring after hanging out for six weeks and fucking. Whereas she's having fun.

francene:

I don't know. Wait until next episode.

francene (2):

You just wait until next episode. Yeah. It's not that

coryne:

it's not that it's like the opposite. Like Carrie didn't want to ring. Carrie was never looking for a ring. Never looking for a ring ever in this whole freaking series. That's not Carrie's vibe either. She just was, you know, wanted. She wanted to have her feelings reciprocated equally. Yeah. That's not about her. That was never her. But

francene:

she just wanted big to say he loved her.

jeremy:

Is that a quality of successful alpha females is they're so used to winning in their career to where they almost just. want to win in their personal life, romantic dating life.

coryne:

Is that a quality of alpha males that they just want to win in their personal life too? You would never say that to a fucking man.

francene:

But you mean when, as in like, when do you mean like when the love interest or I

coryne:

think we all possess that men, women, it doesn't matter. Like we all like to win, especially if you're somebody who's ever been. You know, in a position of winning a lot, like we all want to get our way with that's just humanity.

francene:

But also I, I can see how some people like, so say if you're out and not, this is not me, but I'm just hypothetically throwing it out there. Say if you're out in like a bar and you're like, Ooh, that guy's hot. Like he, he's coming home with me tonight. Like, you know, you have some people that are like, Oh, I'm targeting. And like, that's a win for me. Like, Oh, I got him.

jeremy:

Yeah.

francene:

So there's potentially a component of like that piece. Like I would say, Samantha, that's more of, you know, it's less, less emotion. It's like, I just want to go like, fuck that guy. Yes. Yes. Yes. I will

coryne:

say. I will say as a strong, successful alpha female, I have, if, if you ever show me that you don't want me, I don't fucking want shit to do with you, like, bye, like that. I'm not trying to get you if you've ever shown me that I'm not what you're after. Like, that's, I think that's the opposite of what you're alluding to there. That like, that's not, why would you, why would you fight for someone who's ever shown you they don't want you? Oh my God, Corinne. I'm that person.

francene:

No, no, no. Love me. I

coryne:

mean, I will say like, I didn't get, I wasn't that way at 18. Like it took a life's experience to get to this point. I wasn't always like that, but like that's a lot

jeremy:

of battle scars on that.

coryne:

Very few battle scars. I learned quickly. Thanks.

jeremy:

You're my long lost soul sister.

coryne:

So Carrie sees big, it guts all of us who are invested in the show at this point. It's, it's a moment that like, it's one of the ones, like, it literally makes my, my heart drop in that moment.

francene:

Especially when we find out he never went to Paris. He never went to Paris. But for like a little bit, he didn't move there.

coryne:

No, he, he, but I don't know. He never called

francene:

her.

coryne:

He didn't. He, she's like, how long have you been back? And he's like, I just got, I was going to call you when I got back to the city. We're visiting Natasha's parents. He's got all the excuses. But like how many months has it been? It hasn't been that many months. I I think he'd been a good couple of months. I'm thinking three, but it

francene:

was like, why did we break up over three months? But this is for me. And I understand it's a storyline and everything else, but like, for me, this just showcased. He really wasn't that invested at the time. It's as if Paris was an excuse. And I think that's what hurts Carrie the most. And then you have the other component where she's like, great, you're with a fucking, cause she asks her, which is also, I personally think a weird question, but she's like, how old is she? And he's like, I don't know, 26, 27. And it's just that extra nail on the coffin. But I'm like, why would you ask that question? I don't know. Why don't you know how old she is? That

coryne:

wasn't like I

francene:

don't know.

coryne:

I met out before you brought her back from Paris with you. I think

jeremy:

he knew exactly how old she was. He just didn't want to. And Mr.

francene:

Big's classy like that. I will say. Yeah.

francene (2):

Yeah.

jeremy:

So to recap. 20 something girls versus 30 something women.

francene:

30 something women? Wait.

jeremy:

What's the recap? That we're great?

francene:

That we're great? At all ages?

coryne:

We were all 20 something women at one point. I wouldn't trade my 20s for anything. Like, every part of that experience made me who I am today. I treasure every moment of it. Like, I have very little regrets. Like, I'm so glad that I lived that life. And I think that, you know, 30 something women are and 40 something women, like, you know, it's, it's a trajectory of like your maturity, your growth, your understanding of yourself, your self awareness, your knowledge of like, how you move and what you like and all those types of things. And I think that like, as women in our thirties and forties, like we have to remember that about our younger sisters and like champion that in them. Agreed. Yeah. Of like, it's okay to like experience this and, and like feel out what you, who you are in this moment. And that's because that's what your twenties are for.

jeremy:

That's exactly what I was going to say, right? When you're in your twenties, you're gaining experience, right? You know, through knowledge, through actual adventures and experience. And then when you get into your 30s and 40s, it's about achievement, right? Maybe we want to start families, maybe we want to open investment accounts and buy homes, right? And so that is perfectly okay, as long as you know exactly what you want and why you want it. Because if you can be very transparent, open and honest with potential male suitors, It's not that hard to find compatibility, as long as you know,

francene:

like, no,

jeremy:

I'm also a recruiter. Right. So I think that like, there's a, and, and, and, you know, I think that everybody

coryne:

is, you got an equation. You're just plugging. You're like, I can work this out. I

jeremy:

was the math genius right in the beginning.

francene:

Yeah. I mean, immediately you were like, he was born in 1973. I'm like. I'm like. He's

coryne:

51.

francene:

How did you work that out? My mind was like, ow.

jeremy:

Well, good. All right. You gotta bring this back in. My dinner's ready.

francene:

Okay. Well, we will bring you back because we also need to do your quiz to find out what guy you are.

coryne:

Oh, yes. We have to do that for sure. Which only I know. so much for joining us. That was such an awesome, different version of perspective of what me and Francine have been doing now for a while and yeah, such a pleasure to have you on.

jeremy:

Awesome. Thank you guys.

francene:

All right. Thank you.