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City After Dark Season 1 & 2 Recap

• francene & coryne • Season 2 • Episode 19

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Hosted by Coryne & Francene. This episode we take the opportunity to recap Season 1 & 2, take a time out to review our thoughts, observations, and have fun playing 'would you rather' 

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before we kick off season 3 we will do a fun quiz episode, coming soon!

coryne:

There we go. It's a little more ambient when I'm saying the word wrong.

francene:

No, I want to do that. God, your house is so like technology advanced.

coryne:

Like how does that

francene:

feel

coryne:

at once? Do it. Do it. I love it. Michael did all of this because I'm Michael super into that kind of stuff. I'm not. And it's real fun until the power goes out or the Wi Fi goes down and then no exaggeration. You're like, I don't remember how to turn a light on

francene:

where's the switch?

coryne:

For real. No joke. It's you're like absolute idiot. You can't, I can't figure it out. And I'm, and the other thing is like some of the lights in my bedroom are hooked to smart plugs. Oh, we have that.

coryne (2):

Yeah. And

coryne:

so it's even if I know it's like now I have to like hard set the plug to get it to just come on. It's. It's a whole thing.

francene:

I know. We have that in our living room and I don't know, I unplugged it or changed it and Aram was like now you just screwed up the circuit. I'm like, just plug it back in. What do you

coryne (2):

mean?

francene:

It's just damn, that's complicated.

coryne:

One time, I also was screwing with something, there's this one hub of way too many wires in my house and it's behind. The fireplace, because it's a California fireplace, downstairs, it's like all this stuff is like in the back of that thing. Oh, And one time crossing was, I don't remember what she was doing, but I, for the next two weeks, I could not get four of the eight things in the house that are smart to function. And I'm like, don't know what it is. Of course, don't have the time to become a freaking smart home Savant and run this day, like so fresh. And then one day just randomly it hit me and I was like, she unplugged that damn bridge that's plugged in. But sure enough, it was just one plug, just fixed it all.

francene:

Felt like a genius.

coryne:

Yeah, now I feel way smarter about it. I know where a hub is. Before they're like, where's the whatever part of it? And literally have no clue.

francene:

I don't want to know. I don't want to be an expert.

coryne:

The only thing that's different between you and me is the person who does know. Doesn't live here anymore. Yeah,

francene:

I have no idea if it all stops working. I'll wait for Aaron to get home. Yeah, I'm

coryne:

screwed. I'm literally

francene:

screwed. You're like down having to Google all this stuff.

coryne:

I would totally have to hire it done. I'd have to call someone and just be like, I don't know, you figure it out.

francene:

Your hair looks very like blunt. Did you just get it cut? Today. I like

coryne:

it. Thank you. I, is it

francene:

shorter?

coryne:

Yeah. He asked. I like it. When I first cut it this short, it was this length and then I get it cut way more. I used to get a haircut like once or twice a year, maybe I get it to keep it in this shape. I have to go like every 12, eight to 12 weeks. And I was in there today and he's like, how much do you want to take off? And I was like, I feel like it feels long back there. And he was like, yeah. And he's I think you could take off like at least an inch and a half. And I was like, let's do two. And he's

francene:

I love that.

coryne:

And I was like, I think it's we've let it slowly get a little bit longer than the original. Blunt and I was like, let's do it again. It's good. It looks

francene:

really nice I

coryne:

have to say like I really just have loved having my hair this length.

francene:

Yeah, it really Like long as well, but it just looks really nice. I feel like it's very on trend, too

coryne:

I do too. I used to love my long hair, too but when it when I got when it started getting like I didn't feel luxurious anymore, but I think like it is on trend. It's also, I feel like it's really a cute look for my age or the age that I look.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

31.

francene:

What did Jeremy say again? 30.

coryne:

Yeah, then he said it I had a really good HD filter on so you know what fuck that guy

francene:

Meanwhile tomorrow I am going to get my extensions put in

coryne:

You're going back to the dark side

francene:

Back and I was like, cause obviously going back to the UK, I was like, I dunno, I just miss it. But I have to admit, and I can't wait to speak to my hairdresser tomorrow. I'm like, I am so freaking proud of and I've been here, but like the thickness it has been, I've left it alone and I've not annoyed it. So after four months. I feel like it's still like in better condition, but yeah, I'm gonna get it long, long.

coryne:

It looks great. Is it because you're going home?

francene:

I think so. I did my eyebrows yesterday. I've got Botox on Saturday. I'm like, who the fuck do I think I am? But I'm gonna look so glamorous going back home.

coryne:

Listen, I was listening back to our episode from last week, talking about running into your exes and listen, this is where it could happen, right?

francene:

With my hair like flicking, I am ready. Okay. So what I thought would be fun. Correct me if I'm wrong, but before we go into like season three. I'm organizing a date for Kara and Aaron to come on and do like the quiz.

coryne (2):

Okay.

francene:

But I was like, okay, until that point, why don't we go back and recap? So I have some fun things for you.

coryne:

Okay, I love it. I love when you throw this on me and I'm unprepared.

francene:

Because I know you have all the knowledge. I was like, okay, let me see what we can do. So I have some We're going to do some awards. We are then going to, what else is on the agenda? I don't know what awards they like, one? No, awards from us. Yay, I love this. And then I have, would you rather.

coryne:

I love it.

francene:

What else do I have? The ultimate love interest showdown. Dun. What else did I think of? And then unpopular opinions. Okay. I'm like, go me with my little content. I love

coryne:

it. I was gonna say, did Aaron write the unpopular opinions?

francene:

No, but I will be bringing out certain stuff as I was doing this to be like, I can't wait for Aaron's take on stuff.

coryne:

I love hearing Aaron's take on stuff, for sure.

francene:

Same, because he's so like off the cuff candid. And I'm like, Aaron! I do have a fun fact for you.

coryne (2):

Yes.

francene:

I was looking up about the drinks. And every time we saw, cause they, they spent so much time over season one and two showcasing the cosmopolitan and I was like, no wonder they were so famous for that drink. Like they're in like every scene, even every episode

coryne:

for sure,

francene:

every episode. And they're like. We'll have a Cosmo, and I was obsessed with them when I was younger, but as you go into the later seasons, you see that less and less, but anyway, did you know that when they were filming it, the signature drink was made with water, food coloring, and watered down cranberry juice, and ginger ale was used as a substitute for champagne, and grape juice For red wine.

coryne:

Yeah, I did not know that. But I think that happens pretty frequently on movie sets when they're having to do multiple takes. Yeah, I

francene:

guess it'd be smashed.

coryne:

It'd be funner, though.

francene:

No, yeah. I want to see

coryne:

that version. They're professional friends today. Yeah, super boring.

francene:

It would be funny though. Could you imagine when you see some of these like reality shows and they're all drunk and you can see they've just completely lost like their innovation for stuff and they forget the cameras are rolling.

coryne:

Huh. Especially I feel like The Bachelor is famous for that where they like freaking Get all these people totally smashed, and then they ask them to make questionable decisions, and it always goes terribly.

francene:

Oh my god, I can't even imagine the next day and the fear you must have when you're on TV. I have the fear, and I haven't even done anything the night before. Like it would be the worst feeling.

coryne:

Oh, I can only imagine. I can only imagine. I know that in real life, so having to have a camera on you too definitely worse.

francene:

Yeah, no, I feel I would forget really quickly. Okay, we're gonna do some awards. Who do we think, out of season one and two, is the best dressed character?

coryne:

I think

francene:

that,

coryne:

It might just be that they, we get to see more fashion from her, but like of all of them, I've always loved Carrie's fashion the most, even though I think Samantha pulls off some real killer looks Carrie's the one who always just seems the most I don't know, it's like she does a great job of being pulled together and edgy with what she's wearing, whereas I feel like Charlotte is super pulled together, classic fashion.

francene:

So classic.

coryne:

Yeah, Miranda is not fashionable.

francene:

Oh, I would have said Miranda was best dressed. No way.

coryne:

Okay. I was like, Oh I feel like I can count on one hand the looks Miranda had in two seasons that were on point.

francene:

And I honestly think during those two times we made excessive comments about it. We totally

coryne:

like,

francene:

Whoa,

coryne:

love this outfit or like when her hair looks good. You got it. Now I will say as we continue, they're all going to get. So we need to do a better recap and a couple more seasons because I do think they're either going to be way more in competition or there might be, I don't know, Samantha or Charlotte might give Carrie a run for her money.

francene:

Yeah. No I agree with that. And especially as we get into mid season two, I'm like, Oh, like the minute we see like Carrie's like iconic dress and like the naked dress and like the fur coat. Oh my God. All of it. All of it. The last episode, Samantha's red dress. I do think that's when she was like the most iconic. That was a

coryne:

great look on her. Yeah.

francene:

Gets my vote. Okay, the most cringeworthy date.

coryne:

I think Miranda and the dude with the hair plugs comes to mind. I

francene:

thought about that one too.

coryne:

God, I could, I would have punched that fucking guy. Okay. That was really bad. Samantha with the dude with horrific breath in the tortoise chair. That's really bad. That one makes my stomach turn. Yeah,

francene:

that's

coryne:

bad. And then, but I do think probably the worst one is the sushi date with Carrie's fuck buddy where he gives her the phone card.

francene:

And what does he say? Sack a doo me! Yes! Yes,

coryne:

exactly.

francene:

Fucking honestly, I would have loved that. Personally, I would have leaned in more. I'd have been like, Whoa, you're getting a second date, sir. Yeah,

coryne:

he that was his Was that his second That was their first date. They tried it again. That was their first

francene:

official date.

coryne:

Oh, so bad. So fucking bad.

francene:

So bad. And also I know it wasn't, I guess it I don't know if it counts as a date, but the videotaping, when like Samantha, like after, and she goes back and she's you can just turn it on, I like died. Like throughout, even just thinking how that was even acceptable.

coryne:

Yeah, that was cringe, for sure. After episode

francene:

two, right?

coryne:

I don't know if we're calling that a date, but it was cringe.

francene:

That was shocking.

coryne:

Shout out to

francene:

But isn't that interesting, too, when you recap? And we mentioned it a lot throughout season one is they touched on so many controversial things and then when you get into season two, you start seeing some of that slope off to be more like. I don't want to say real life situations, but real life day to day situations, because you know the characters.

coryne:

That's what I was going to say. I think that they, I think they have built the characters enough that the character stories are enough to pull an audience now. Whereas I think in season one, they were having to like, do the shock and awe to get the people to come back for the next episode. I agree. Yeah. And now they have a strong enough storyline.

francene:

I think so too.

coryne:

Yeah, I agree.

francene:

Okay. Most iconic line.

coryne:

Oh, there's so many. I gotta pick. Just, you can go with big's iconic last line in the first episode ever. Apps of fucking lly. Oh yeah,

francene:

I wrote that one down. That's iconic for the full, my favorite one.

coryne:

Yeah, I love that one. Carries the one and this is top of mind because it was last episode, but I will say it's like something that has stuck in my mind forever, but you know when you love someone and it ends where does the love go?

francene:

Yeah,

coryne:

that's a good one There's another one in there that formed my 20s that is coming to me It's a Samantha line and I'm gonna forget it right now, but there's so many good ones in there

francene:

Carrie for me, and when I was, like, thinking back, I don't, it's weird because I feel like Samantha always has the punchy One liners? One liners, that annoyingly, I always forget. And it pisses me off because when I hear it, I'm like, oh, God, that's so good.

coryne:

Yeah.

francene:

And like for Carrie, like I wrote down two and I'm like, I just love one of them where she's I can't remember when she says it. She's I'm looking for love, like real love, ridiculous, inconvenient, consuming, can't live without each other love. And I'm like, Oh my God, I'm so that person, especially at that point in your life when you're like, like you think that is what love is about. And you think it's going to be like that consistently, and then you grow up and you're like, actually it's not, it's companionship and other elements and all those pieces. But at the time, I was like, I hear you, Carrie. Same

coryne:

girl. I think it's that's one of the things about Carrie that I think we fall in love with is that she wants, she wants the fairy tale.

francene:

Yeah. You

coryne:

know what I mean? Like she has, she's such a romantic and she has big ideas. About love and she is a pretty rare example of not settling.

francene:

Yes. Yeah. That's true.

coryne:

Yeah.

francene:

And the other iconic line that I always appreciate about Carrie, and we touch on this in the season one, is the friendship piece when she's maybe our girlfriends are true soulmates and guys are just people to have fun with. And I love that. That, and that's one that,

coryne:

yes, that one is amazing. I feel like that line for me in my twenties when I first saw it gave me this idea about building a circle of friends around me that were more important than any relationship with a man I could ever be in, I think that one, yeah, that one is Yeah, that's really good. That's a really good one for sure.

francene:

Yeah, it is. That's why I always judge someone that doesn't have friends.

coryne:

No, for real. You know what I mean? I'm

francene:

like, what do you mean if you don't have friends? No,

coryne:

when I was single and I used to be like, here's what I want, it was like top three. It was like, I want you to have a circle of your own friends that you're proud of.

francene:

Yes.

coryne:

You know what I mean? Not

francene:

like true friendships, not acquaintances, friendships,

coryne:

people who really know you, because I feel like dudes are also notoriously guilty for that guy's my friend, but he's such a dick. He's such a loser. Like they don't respect them. Like you should have people around you that you fucking respect. Okay.

francene:

No I agree. I feel like all the friends around me, I like, look up to all of them. I'm like, they're freaking badasses.

coryne:

That's the way it should be. Like that's one of my like, trademark things that I like, I say it all the time. And I don't, I try my best to like, live by it. But it's you are the sum of the five people you spend the most time with. Be careful who you have in your equations.

francene:

Oh my god, Aaron says that to me all the time.

coryne:

Yeah, it's so true.

francene:

Use your time wisely.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. And people, the people you spend the most time with like it or not, they rub off on you. They have an effect, so you have to be conscious of who you're putting in that mix.

francene:

Yeah. That is so true. Yeah, I was going to say something. I was literally speaking to Aaron about this the other day. There was like someone at my work like years ago. And it's interesting to what you're saying, how you can spend a lot of time with someone and how that can. Rub off sometimes in a positive way or a negative way.

coryne (2):

Yeah. And

francene:

she was so negative with like just constantly bitching about stuff or like bitching about people or whatever it was. And I felt I got caught up in that toxicness.

coryne (2):

And it's

francene:

interesting. Just want to like, I was reflecting on it the other day don't ask me why about talking to Aaron about poor Aaron. He listens to all of this like bullshit. And I swear to God, he does such a good job. I'm like, yeah. Like paying attention, but he must be like, what the fuck is going on in your head right now, but I just have these moments of you think back and you're like, fuck, that was like, really bad not good, toxic. And to your point, it really you really do get absorbed into who you surround yourself with, right? It is true. Yeah. Okay. Worst decision of season one or two, worst decision from a character. Sorry.

coryne:

Miranda and Steve breaking up.

francene:

Oh, I love that one. Yes, that's true. I know. Why did this? So

coryne:

dumb. What are you doing? So

francene:

dumb.

coryne:

Worst decision by the writing staff. That horse storyline in the last episode. Fucking horse

francene:

story. Honestly, it fucked me off. Fucking pointless. You don't have her in it. She was not in some of the episodes. It's fine.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. She must have signed

francene:

a better contract in season two. She's no bitch. Every episode.

coryne:

Every one. I don't care what you write. I'm in it. She was in that episode and not the crazy horse shit. They could have been.

francene:

I,

coryne:

wouldn't you

francene:

love to know truly what the contracts. Look like. Also, like if it truly was like, I need to have this amount of screen time, like do they have that in their contract? I don't know. I'd be curious.

coryne:

I don't know how that works. I don't know. I have a friend who would know. I could ask and she would be able to tell me all that. I think, I don't know. By season two, if they had enough notoriety that they were writing in like crazy writers, yet not

francene:

clearly. Fucking not.

coryne:

But I feel like they, they definitely got to a point, you hear that all the time. And it's definitely true. The more that you're like necessary for the show, the more you can get away with whatever you want.

francene:

Clearly. Yeah. She was obviously very necessary. What I thought of for the worst decision is why Carrie didn't just go on holiday with big,

coryne:

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't just

francene:

go like truly. That's when he would have fallen in love. I don't know, maybe.

coryne:

The thing is, it's yeah you should have just gone on a fucking vacation. Cause the truth of the matter is, he didn't say he wasn't in love with you. He just wasn't ready to say it. He don't. You would have felt it

francene:

in a sunny place on the beach, away from work when you think about it.

coryne:

That's the thing too is like they had only been dating a short period of time when they were at that point when they were going on a vacation. Anyway, I'm like, I'm, don't get me wrong. If it's been a year or more and he has been able to say out loud how he feels. Yes. But like they were in like stage two of dating. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I, you know how I know they were only in stage two? That was your first trip you were ever gonna take together. I know,

francene:

and it didn't happen.

coryne:

Yeah, that, you're right, that was a bad one too, for sure.

francene:

Same with I don't know, to, to an extent, cause I know how big acted during the Paris thing, and, The uncertainty of is he going to stay? Is it going to be longer in six months? I appreciate there's all those other factors, but I still would have been like, let's just see what happens.

coryne:

Yeah, I agree. I feel like I wouldn't have again, because they were in their relationship. What? Throw my Big Mac off of him. Yeah, no doubt. I definitely can understand where Carrie's hurt feelings were, but I think her reaction to it was blown out of proportion.

francene:

Yeah, I agree. I

coryne:

think there was a way to have an adult conversation of that bothers me because of this.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

For him to respond. And then I think that no matter what, you didn't have to break up.

francene:

No, I know. I know. It's obviously for a movie for a TV show, but

coryne:

True.

francene:

Yeah, I'm like just very unreasonable knowing that they then broke up and he then met someone else. Like I feel like I'd have a lot of reflection on fuck, I shouldn't have acted that way.

coryne:

That begs the question though if they hadn't broken up, he still would have met Natasha. Would the outcome have been different?

francene:

That's true.

coryne:

Or would he have He'd cheated on Carrie and then it would have been even fucking worse. And then she would have had no respect for him and it would completely damage the potential of any future

francene:

Yeah, or long term, yeah, would then.

coryne:

Yeah, would she have finally been done with him, yeah. I don't know.

francene:

I guess we'll never know. We'll

coryne (2):

never

francene:

know. We'll never know. Okay, so let's do some Would You Rather, unless you have any other awards.

coryne:

I can't think of any. Hottest guy that was in season one or two.

francene:

It's coming. Oh, you got that. You're like, don't jump

coryne:

ahead, Chrissy.

francene:

You've thought of all the things, Francie. Don't let me steal it. Don't worry. There's a section on that one. I feel like I'm a game show host. Don't you worry. Coming up next. That's amazing. Okay. Would you rather go on a second date with I don't remember this guy, Capone Duncan? The guy who just wanted to cuddle?

coryne:

No, Capote Duncan is the one who was the real estate guy. Wasn't he? And he, or was Compote Duncan the one who was not interested in sex at all?

francene:

Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah. Okay. Darn it. Yeah. That is the one. That guy.

coryne:

Yeah.

francene:

Yes. Okay. Would you rather go on a second date with him or Mr. Pussy?

coryne:

Oh, man. Do I have to watch Mr. Pussy eat on the second date?

francene:

Potentially. But then you're like, I know what you Oh, I

coryne:

feel like I would go on a second date with Mr. Pussy cause they're like, at the end of the night, like no matter what, like your third date, no, but I think same. I never get through two

francene:

dinners. You're like, fine, we'll go again. But I go for a short dinner

coryne:

or don't go to dinner. Let's go dancing. You're pick something that doesn't involve a meal, just come over. Exactly. We don't need to talk. Wine night at the house.

francene:

Okay. Would you rather have carries on again, off again, drama with Mr. Big or Samantha and James's relationship? Knowing he has a little cock.

coryne:

Carrie.

francene:

Same. I would rather take the, I would always be the one that will pick that turbulent, that Up

coryne:

and down.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

Over, beige, me too. Yes. Me too, yeah.

francene:

Okay, would you rather have a date with Barclay Or Charlotte's wedding date, the one that called her a whore.

coryne:

Remind me of who Barkley is again.

francene:

He's Harvey Specter.

coryne:

Oh, God, that's a tough one because both of those motherfuckers are misogynist. So bad. I think I would pick Barkley simply because that other guy, like that gives me like the rapey vibes. Like that, that could go south in a hurry. I feel like he would get drunk around his frat boys and try to pass me around or something like And, that's just going to end up with bloodshed. So I think Barkley seems safer. I know what he's in. I know what he's up for. I know what he's into. Meanwhile, I'll be like, just press

francene:

record. You're good.

coryne:

It's fine. It's fucking fine. Okay. Catch me.

francene:

It is fine. And he's, that's the thing. Like he's so hot and that other dude,

coryne (2):

yeah,

francene:

he is so hot. I'll be like, I will be your Mike Ross. This evening. My cross takes

coryne:

offense to that statement.

francene:

Okay. Would you rather Oh, God. Would you rather be forced to wear the naked dress from season one every day for a year Or Miranda's overalls.

coryne:

What is it? Her what? Her overalls. Oh god. How many? I have to wear it for a whole year? Yeah. Naked dress. That's tough. It is tough. Sometimes I'm just gonna wanna lounge and like the naked dress.

francene:

Whoa. What's bad is I would actually pick the overalls. I know.'cause I'm like, A year is a long time. I'm like, whoa, Miranda does fashion beats dress. I'm like, is a long time.

coryne:

The more I think about it, I think I can make those overalls look cute. Like I, because I could change the accessories, like I could dress. And the naked dress is like you're not dressing that thing down like there's no dressing it down.

francene:

And I would just make sure because what did Miranda wear again? She wore that fucking awful hat. That bucket hat. Oh my god. The big jacket thing.

coryne:

No, if it's just the overalls, we can make those cute, Branson. I'll pick overalls.

francene:

I think so, too. How surprising. I wonder what the reader or listeners would

coryne (2):

pick.

francene:

Okay. Would you rather live in Charlotte's perfect Upper East Side apartment, but never have sex again, or in Carrie's tiny apartment with an unlimited shoe budget?

coryne:

Carrie's for sure. I would pick Carrie's just on comparison of the two. I would pick Carrie's. Like with no other caveats. If I had to pick between Charlotte's or I would pick Carrie's. I, that just is, I don't know. That's my vibe. I feel like it's. It has so much character. I love so much about her apartment. I love that walk through closet I could get down in Carrie's apartment. Charlotte's is and it's, Carrie's is more open concept it's just one big space that you walk through, whereas Charlotte's is like all these rooms and hallways. I know, I love it. Yeah. I like, I would go Carrie.

francene:

I would go Carrie's for the shoe budget because also I wouldn't

coryne:

want

francene:

to have sex, but I do prefer Charlotte's apartment.

coryne:

Yeah, I like Carrie's apartment for sure.

francene:

And I'd be like, oh my god, I'm in like the Upper East Side. So where will Carrie live again? Like where in New York? I've been there and it's so I went there too, but it's not where they betray

coryne:

that. It's filmed. Yeah,

francene:

because it's like her apartment is far to go look at it.

coryne:

Yeah, I want to say Soho, but I don't know that I know that for sure. I don't know either. Google that please hold fact check. I gotta know we got a fact check this because we should it was

francene:

cool seeing her apartment though.

coryne:

Yeah, I get to sit on the stoop and take a picture.

francene:

I did the same. I need to find it. Where was

coryne:

Carrie Bradshaw's apartment? It says West Village, but where was it portrayed? Oh,

francene:

that's right. Oh, okay. I

coryne:

think that's actually where it is. Oh, okay. Portrayed to be. Where was it filmed? Where was it in New York apartment? Please hold listeners. Maybe, yeah. Carrie Bradshaw's apartment. The location, West, it says West Village, but Upper East, oh, the show, oh, the show depicts Carrie living on the Upper East Side.

francene:

Oh, okay. So she wasn't that far from Charlotte. And then, yeah, Samantha she hasn't moved to the meatpacking district yet. No, that's a whole

coryne:

episode.

francene:

So where's Miranda? Because Miranda's next to big because they bump into each other.

coryne:

District. Yeah. Where?

francene:

Okay.

coryne:

Where do all the characters

francene:

Are they all? Because I'm now curious.

coryne:

Live in the show. Tell us where. Because I know that Carrie's Upper East Side. Carrie lives in Upper East. Miranda lives in a brownstone in Brooklyn. That's not true. That's the end. Oh

francene:

yeah, that's the end.

coryne:

Charlotte lives in a hotel on Park Avenue. What? That's not true.

francene:

Screw you, Google. We know that's not true.

coryne:

That's not true. Hold on. We gotta find a better source. Screenrant. com Let's give them credit, okay? Sarah Jessica Parker. Blobbity. Oh, this is, oh, this is cute. This is like a full, big, okay, big resides on the upper west side, it says. That's interesting.

francene:

Who big is?

coryne:

Big. Upper west side. It makes sense. So then Miranda's gotta live over there.

francene:

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

coryne:

Oh, these are all the men. Oh, this is all the, ooh, this might be a good one. Oh, I got to text this to you. This might be some good, fun facts for shows to come, future episodes. There's characters in here we haven't met yet, but like all the men of the show, and like all the facts about them. Richard Wright. Okay, here's Miranda. Here we go. Upper West Side. Okay, so we're in big. Both live Upper West Side. It says Samantha lives Upper East Side during first season. Oh, okay. And it moves to Meatpacking, Meatpaw. Charlotte is Upper East Side. And Carrie's Upper East Side. I didn't realize that.

francene:

Nah, I didn't realize that either.

coryne:

Cozy West Village. Steerie was shot in the West Village. But Carrie's address is actually on the Upper East Side. Wow, did not know that. New facts, guys. Bum fact, y'all. The crazy thing about that, too, is if two of the girls were on Upper East, or three of them, and then Miranda's Upper West, the only thing that separates that is Central Park, right? Oh, that's true. So they were, like, all near each other.

francene:

Yeah, interesting, but doesn't that also make sense that the three girls are next to each other and Miranda's not Adding to like her therapy society, but yeah Okay, would you rather swap closets With only season one, Carrie, pre style evolution or season one, Miranda, aka the era of oversized suits.

coryne:

Carrie had more to work with. Okay. She's got more pieces. I feel like you could put together. I think so too. And even though her fashion was not in its highlights, it wasn't in its heyday yet. There's still some good fashion on her in season one.

francene:

Yeah, I tend to agree. Unless it was like, if it's forever, I'm like I'd have to go with Miranda for work. So pragmatic. I'm like, dammit. I know, I'm like, dammit. Okay, would you rather have a Samantha style intervention every time you make a bad dating decision or a Charlotte style Judgmental side eye.

coryne:

Oh, that's tough I think side eye.

francene:

I Would want to hear Samantha She's saying

coryne:

yeah

francene:

Okay, what else did I have okay Embarrassing moments. Would you rather have your diaphragm get stuck or accident and have the girls have to take it out or accidentally fart in bed like Carrie?

coryne:

Diaphragm for sure.

francene:

Same. Same. My girls and I will get

coryne:

past it. Same.

francene:

Same. I could not. I could not with the farting okay, now we get to the guy section. The ultimate love interest showdown. Rank the men from season 1 to 2 to determine who's the best and worst love interest so far.

coryne:

Do we have to remember all these by name or are we just going with the heavy hitters? We're just going

francene:

with the, yeah, with the ones that we can remember because there's been so many. I know. I wonder actually if let me see if I can get like a Google on like how many did they date?

coryne:

Who on in season one and two.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

Yeah, list all of the day and Oh, I love this too when it's like who went on the most days because I know who it is, but It's always it's always surprising.

francene:

Oh my gosh the four main characters in sex and say data combined total of at least 94 men

coryne:

in all seasons But if you divide that by four, it's like 25 each across six seasons. That's less than five per season. That's not that bad, I don't think.

francene:

I want, oh my god. I don't know if this is true or not. What? Cause, I'm going off of truly a quick Google. 41 men and one woman.

coryne:

In the entirety of it? But then how many did Charlotte sleep with? Cause it's more. Is it? It is.

francene:

Yeah. Goodness. Charlotte. I wonder. Oh, so I found a source and it says Charlotte and Carrie hooked up with the same number of men. In,

coryne:

in, in total.

francene:

Yeah. Oh my god. Guess who was least active in the dating scene?

coryne:

Miranda.

francene:

Oh, Miranda.

coryne:

That's amazing. Oh, here's a quick list of season one main characters dated the following men. Are you ready? Yes. Let's see if we can remember them. Kurt Harrington. Who slept with him?

francene:

Carrie.

coryne:

Carrie. Carrie slept with Kurt in the first episode of True Women's Sex without Emotional Attachment. Yes! Ding, Francine.

francene:

Ding ding.

coryne:

This is an easy one. Skipper Johnston.

francene:

Miranda.

coryne:

Yup, we all know Skippy. Jack. Oh, Miranda the boot guy. Nope, Charlotte. Season 1. Michael Conway.

francene:

Is he the plug guy, Miranda?

coryne:

It's Charlotte, and I don't know. It's not giving me the information. This one's easy simply because of his name. Thomas John Anderson.

francene:

Thomas John Anderson. Who is that? Charlotte?

coryne:

Yes, because of course Charlotte dates people with three names. And then there's like a list. Miranda dated Shea Diaz. Don't remember that. Robert Leeds and Steve Brady, of course. Charlotte dates. Oh, these are, no, we aren't there yet. Cause it says Trey McDougal. That's not there yet.

francene:

No,

coryne:

a little teaser people. Oh, Tracy. Of the 100 plus men the ladies dated or boffed over the course of six seasons, only 45 made it beyond the first date hurdle. 45? That's We're rating them here. Oh, here. They're rated. This is an article there. There are a largely disappointing bunch. They are with their most common characteristic, being an uncanny ability to ignore all criticism from their girlfriends. So funny. Okay. 45, this is season two. I'll only hit the ones that we've done so far. Okay. Ned, do you remember Ned? Charlotte's boyfriend with a dead wife.

francene:

I remember him.

coryne:

Number 44, Jack.

francene:

Is that the guy we just spoke about?

coryne:

That's the public sex guy with Miranda.

francene:

Okay. Yes. The boot guy. Yeah.

coryne:

Okay. Yeah. Oh, book. Yes. Yeah. Oh, that's season three. We'll skip that one. Jack, who we just said season one, Jack is the one who suggests the threesome with Charlotte.

francene:

Oh, yes.

coryne:

Yeah, that's him. Oh,

francene:

yes! Oh my god, and then she's no, and he gets with the girl.

coryne:

Yeah, he screws the girl in the Oh, I love that! Good memory. 41, Aaron, he dated Miranda. He's the dirty talk guy, but then

francene:

when Miranda does it back to

coryne:

him, remember? Oh yeah, and then she's

francene:

you like it when I put like my finger up your asshole. And he's what the fuck?

coryne:

And then Kevin, season one, is the guy who doesn't want to have sex with Charlotte, but he just wants to cuddle.

francene:

Prozac guy.

coryne:

Prozac guy, yeah. 38, Michael Conway was Charlotte. Oh, he's the one that says if she won't give him blowjobs, he'll find somebody else who will.

francene:

Oh, yeah. Who's the anal guy?

coryne:

Have we gotten to the anal guy? We have, yeah. Maybe he's in the slip. Number 37, Vaughn Weisel, Season 2. Great name. Yeah, he's the one who prematurely ejaculates with Carrie. Oh,

francene:

yeah. Justin Theroux, no? Theroux, yeah.

coryne:

Yeah. Yeah. Hilarious. Oh my God. 36, Roger Cobb, Season 2, is the guy with the kid that dates Miranda.

francene:

Oh, yeah, from the gym.

coryne:

Yes. Oh, God. Don, Season 2, dates Samantha. He's the sports guy.

francene:

Oh, yes. I like that. I like that.

coryne:

Ted, it's amazing about these guys in season one and two. Ted, season one, is the one who, where Miranda finds his spanking porn. Oh

francene:

yeah.

coryne:

That's another really bad version. You like

francene:

it when you like. Get spanked and he walks away, doesn't he? What? Yeah, he's like,

coryne:

all done. I'm like,

francene:

Miranda, what are you

coryne:

doing? That was a really bad decision. Why did you take it out of his house?

francene:

And then they watched it, which I love.

coryne:

Oh, of course. That was great. 33, Josh season two. It's the guy Miranda dates, but she tells him he can't give her an orgasm, and then he tries really hard. Oh yeah, the

francene:

runner?

coryne:

Yeah, she fakes it. Yeah, that's hilarious. Oh, Brom Walker, Season 2. Falls asleep having sex with Charlotte.

francene:

Oh yeah, and she's Is it me? And what does Samantha say? Oh. There's nothing down there.

coryne:

Yeah, I was like, you see her on the treadmill. Yeah, that's

francene:

it. So fucking brutal. That's

coryne:

so good. Okay. Thomas John Anderson season one. Oh, this is Miranda dates him. He's a playwright. Oh, who has right after sex.

francene:

Yeah, that's right.

coryne:

Yeah. I remember he has like the dirty thing. Oh, and then there's the guy Miranda dates, Ethan Watson, who has to have porn on when they're doing it. Oh,

francene:

yes. Oh, that's so rude. That's so

coryne:

rude. Okay, now we're getting into stuff past season one and two, which I think is funny because all of these people ended up in the top 25. Oh, here's Kurt Harrington, number 23, the guy with the phone cards. The fuck, buddy? She tries to date? Number 22. Coming in the top 20. Brian is the one who wants anal.

francene:

Oh wait, from, are these ranked per hotness?

coryne:

No, they're the top 40, the worst 45. Oh, so we're getting worse as we go up. We're getting worse. Oh my God. Okay. Oh, number 20 is step bond. That Charlotte dates. Who? The Oh yeah. I actually loved him. I thought he was really same. Same. Listen, I could have made it work with that guy, okay?

francene:

And he was very attractive too.

coryne:

So good

francene:

looking. He was

coryne:

beautiful. Make me meals yeah, we keep shopping together. I know. Having, it's a gift. Compliment me on my outfit. I'm here for it. Oh, Mike that Charlotte dates who gets circumcised for her and then he wants to play the field after. Play, sow his

francene:

seeds. Literally.

coryne:

So funny. Oh my gosh. Okay. Number 15, Harvey Turkle, who is the turtle. Oh, bad breath. Number 14, Skipper Johnston.

francene:

Oh, Skipper.

coryne:

Oh, I wouldn't have put this guy. Number 13, the New York Yankee. I thought he was great.

francene:

Oh yeah, I agree. He just, lack of chat, but yes, because didn't she, they go to kiss and she like cries in his mouth. I don't know. Honestly, another bad decision. You're like, Carrie, come on. This is the best rebound ever. Even a rebound.

coryne:

Like that dude was a, like I, he deserved like a legit chance. Like he was good looking. Yeah, I agree. Like I liked him a lot. That was a bad

francene:

decision.

coryne:

Yeah. Let's circle back and put that on our bad decision. He deserved at least one more episode, okay? Surely,

francene:

Barclay must be up there.

coryne:

No. He's number 13. I disagree. Okay. That's season 3. Oh, okay. Number 11. We're coming into the top 10. James. Yes. That's him. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Guy. All right. Oh, these are all later. Okay.

francene:

Oh,

coryne:

number seven is Mr. Big.

francene:

No way. Yeah. Why? What's their reasoning? Oh, my God. I really

coryne:

disagree. Deluded What does this say? In 1998, when the show premiered, that just meant guy with flashy tendencies who makes bank on real estate. Oh, they're talking about that they referred to him as the next name who shall not be named because I hate that person. In 2018, that means deluded narcissist who is pathologically unable to empathize with other humans.

francene:

Damn Jesus. They do not like Mr. Big. I do not see that from him at all, to be honest. These are

coryne:

both pretty apt descriptions of Mr. Big. Big is a commitment phobic, borderline sociopath, who is so self-absorbed that in the movie version of Sex in the City, he leaves Carrie at the altar'cause she won't answer her cell phone. Holy shit.

francene:

Oh my God. They went in deep. Ooh. I don't think he is like that at all. I would never describe him as a narcissist.

coryne:

I would not. Oh my god, above him, number, coming in at number four, Steve.

coryne (2):

Got,

coryne:

Steve Brady. Oh, okay. Aaron obviously wrote this list.

francene:

Steve Brady on it. What did he do?

coryne:

Steve is a nice and supportive guy who loves Miranda, his puppy and their child, but he has two flaws. First of all, he needed a kick in the pants to reach his full life potential. And, oh, that old apartment of his was no bueno for a man in his thirties. And secondly, I won't say, spoiler, I won't say the second thing. Cause it doesn't happen until the movie. Oh, Yeah. Yeah.

francene:

Okay. Aww, Steve.

coryne:

I'm only gonna say this because just in knowing our top three love interests, we have to know where he lands. Aiden's number three. And I'm not even gonna read it because we'll have to come. Who's number one? Oh, okay. No, number one doesn't have until season five, but we have to come back to this list. I'm going to text it to you, please

francene:

send it over. I'll save it.

coryne:

That was hilarious. And that's a, that honestly, it's crazy. Like half that list was from season one and two, they get into more Consistent relationships as we get, yeah,

francene:

I think so. So we start seeing that the hit list drop, drop down a little bit. That is fucking funny.

coryne (2):

They don't like

francene:

writing that about big. This must be written like 20 years ago.

coryne:

I wonder. Oh, that's a good question. But it's interesting

francene:

how things have changed. Oh, also, yeah, there was a lot of,

coryne:

oh, seven years ago, but I, what's interesting is as much as there are people who post watching the show became major haters of Carrie, obviously big had similar people come up and really get pick apart his character and not be big fans.

francene:

I get that if you would ask me again, like the first time I watched all of these, I had a very different opinion about. big versus I had a very different as I got older. Carrie,

coryne:

like Carrie watching it back, I have a very different opinion of how I did the first Yeah, same. Yeah, and big too, I would say. Yeah. Because that's a reflection of

francene:

Yeah, same, that's why I'm I cannot wait to get into the next season, and I know we've mentioned like for any of the fans or as you're watching this Aidan, I'm curious on my take on him now because I didn't like him.

coryne (2):

I'm

coryne:

curious

francene:

if I'm gonna see it differently.

coryne:

That's so funny because I always loved Aiden. He was always my very favorite love interest of the whole Like, I loved Aiden. Even when he came back in the movie, I still loved Aiden. Love Aiden. Always did. I always thought he was so much better looking than Big.

francene:

Oh, really? Oh,

coryne:

I loved Aiden. I loved him.

francene:

I cannot wait to do these episodes.

coryne:

I have a friend from high school who named his son Aiden because of the show. I think it was because his wife liked it so much, but when he did it, I was like, yes.

francene:

I'm going to ask my friend. She named her son Aiden. I'm going to ask him because of sexist Aiden.

coryne:

Yeah. She'll

francene:

be like, I've never watched it. I'll be like,

coryne:

Whatever that made that name popular. Nobody knew the name Aiden before that. Okay.

francene:

Okay. What is your Unpopular opinion. Unpopular or popular? Unpopular. Like In general

coryne:

about

francene:

the show? Yeah.

coryne:

About season

francene:

one and two.

coryne:

Yeah. Unpopular opinion. What's yours, Francine? You might have to kick this off.

francene:

I would say And I know we've just been talking about this, but my view of Carrie is truly oh my god, she was a little bit fucking crazy and blowing up her own world and very chaotic and seeing, and I know we've seen this on our like, Instagram feed on just how self centered she was.

coryne (2):

Yeah.

francene:

I don't think I had like that appreciation before and I know that's unpopular because we all love Carrie and I love her, but very interesting to me seeing that side of her personality that I never clocked onto at all when I was younger, but then I'm like, is it because I was like that when I was younger? Seriously though, like when you're young, like the world truly does result, like revolve around you.

coryne (2):

And

francene:

that's all you want to talk about, then I'm like, I don't know, maybe that's why I never picked up on it.

coryne:

Maybe, yeah, I don't know, I think it's also I think so much has changed in the last 20 years of our understanding of the male female dynamic, I feel 20 years ago it was like, almost like a expectation that women acted like that to a point.

francene:

Yeah. And

coryne:

now it's I feel like we exist, thankfully, in a space where we expect men to be more responsible for their actions and women to be more responsible for their emotions.

francene:

Yeah. Yeah.

coryne:

Maybe that's what it is. I don't know. But yeah, I agree with you completely. Watching it back, I definitely had a very different take on the way she acted, specifically with Big.

francene:

Yeah.

coryne:

And then it also became comically evident how, when she's with her friends she's constantly pulling the subject matter back to herself.

francene:

Yes! I'm like, I've never. I've never. And I hadn't seen it so obviously done and

coryne (2):

again,

francene:

I just never picked up on it. It was, yeah, it was just interesting watching it back. But yeah, I can't think of anything.

coryne:

I can't, I don't know how unpopular this opinion is, but season one, facing the camera, testimonials, worst decision ever.

francene:

Oh, the worst. Oh, so

coryne:

outdated. Oh my god. And whoever was doing Miranda's hair for season one and two should be fired. Okay. Holy shit.

francene:

Oh, it's so bad. The worst. They did her fucking dirty.

coryne:

Dirty! She deserved better than that, Sex and the City.

francene:

I wonder how she I felt like going, no, I just mean cause I feel like social media is so prevalent now, right? It

coryne:

wasn't then, yeah. It wasn't then. It wasn't an opinion of. So

francene:

then when you, yes, and then when you think about, okay, truly how many interviews were they doing? I feel like interviews are so much more now. There's so much access to everything, like red carpets, everything's filmed. I would be so curious. How she felt being stacked up next to how they betrayed, portrayed Charlotte, Samantha, and Carrie. Cause they really did make it a stark contrast. Like I'm not saying that to be mean, but like it was evident.

coryne:

Yeah, she was like billed as like the least attractive of them,

francene:

yes, it's like they leaned into that and I'm like, I wonder how that feels. I don't know. Did she care? I'm unsure.

coryne:

I I saw something the other day that was like promo edits for, I think it was for like season two and I, it, I, you might've sent it to me, but they they were like all in white on like white background and they were like saying little like one liner things. Oh, yes. Yes. She looked gorgeous. Yeah. So like it's that was like promo and she looked great and then they just freaking made her look so fucking terrible. I don't know. I'm gonna, after we get after this one, I'm going to look like some interview.

francene:

That's what I was thinking. I'd love to see.

coryne:

Press? Press from like in between season one and two or like to promote season two. I want to see what they looked like in an interview.

francene:

Yeah, same.

coryne:

Yeah,

francene:

and I'd love to know some of the questions they were asked and who responded

coryne:

Or if they were being interviewed in groups like how they interacted

francene:

Yes, when you love to see that like I wonder truly how much is out there.

coryne:

Do you know that there's always that rumor that Harry's care carries real person sir, Jessica Parker and Like I don't know why I'm controlling. I can't say and what? Came in control. Hated each other.

francene:

I know. They were great actresses, if that's the case.

coryne:

Yeah, I wonder how they interacted in on press tours though. Or did they do big press tours for it?

francene:

But I heard it was later on. It was like after the first movie or something. Oh! Was it? Really? I thought it was like

coryne:

after like season four that it, they got to where they didn't like each other anymore. And what happened there guys? Can you tell us what happened? I did. Surely that's a Google able thing. Why did Kim Cattrall Oh

francene:

shit. It began 2017 when Cattrall publicly stated that she and Parker have never been friends. The feud stems from disagreements over. Oh, yeah, that's right money. They were no, I think so yeah, I was to do with they were all gonna make the Sex and City movie the third one and Kim wouldn't commit to it. And it was to do with

coryne:

their feud, but this look, this is, I just got it too. And it says after season four Sarah and Kim fell out of her money when Sarah was given an executive producer title in this season, which increased her salary by 300 K.

francene:

That's a lot of money,

coryne:

but that's the thing too, is she's the main character. And don't be mad she out negotiated you, or her, not even her, it was her fucking agent. Get mad at your agent.

francene:

I know.

coryne (2):

Oh

francene:

wow. It must be hard, like, when, I don't know,

coryne:

you definitely hear those stories of

francene:

being. They crew members said the girls were not happy about it.

coryne:

Oh, the girl the other cast members weren't happy that she got a different deal?

francene:

No, that Kim Cattrall acted that way. Oh. So then she went to try and negotiate for a higher salary, and she wouldn't even sit with the girls at lunch and stuff.

coryne:

So it sounds like Kim Cattrall handled it wrong.

francene:

Oh, that's right. Okay. I need to look more into this because again, I feel like social media, everything's so available now. I've never gone down this little rabbit hole, but there was a report addressed to 2004 Emmy Awards where Parker, Nixon and Davies all sat together while Cattrall sat by herself. That's in, that's a statement and look how happy the three girls are.

coryne:

Yeah, that's insane. I that's a really bad look for the show I feel like as the producers of the show, they should have been putting more like a like listen in public We're gonna act like we like each other Not act like children. That's crazy.

francene:

I know they're like you would think there'd be something written into like the contract or something How interesting?

coryne (2):

Yeah

francene:

All right. I know what I'll be doing tonight. We'll be falling down that rabbit hole. We'll be falling down. Oh my gosh. That's all I had for this little bonus episode.

coryne:

That was awesome for sure. And then we'll try to get Kara and Aaron on to do a fun little quizzy vibe.

francene:

Yes, because did I tell you Kara went and bought a book with all the quizzes? Yes, and she like obviously she wouldn't let me like see it, but she was like there's Like easy, medium, hard and she was like some of these are super hard.

coryne:

Really?

francene:

And I was like, oh god I'm like, okay We just went through it, so I'm hoping we'll remember.

coryne:

We did just watch them all, so at least it'll be fresh on our minds, hopefully.

francene:

And they have it where it's season one, season two. Oh, cool.

coryne:

Yeah. Even

francene:

have it broken down into Carrie, Miranda, Samantha. I'm like, oh, great. I was like, Cara, are you like the best prepared fan ever?

coryne:

These are low key producers. She doesn't even know. I know.

francene:

She's I don't want to be in the podcast, but I bought those thick and I'm going to

coryne:

be. I'm just going to give you ideas and scenes. Every pod needs that. Okay. Every pod needs it.

francene:

All we will see you all soon.