Not to Forgive, but to Understand
A podcast series discussing topics in genocide studies with scholars and individuals deeply involved in understanding the complexities of genocide and its perpetrators. Presented by writer, and scholar of Genocide Studies Sabah Carrim, along with co-host Luis Gonzalez-Aponte. Tune in to this podcast series for insightful discussions on pressing topics in the field.
Not to Forgive, but to Understand
Kate English & Kim Klett: Holocaust Education, Human Rights, and the Right to Learn
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We speak with Kate English and Kim Klett of the Educators Institute for Human Rights (EIHR), an organization that works with teachers internationally to develop resources and training in Holocaust, genocide, human rights, and conflict education.
We discuss what responsible genocide education requires in classrooms and post-conflict settings, including teacher training, accessible educational materials, student engagement, Holocaust education mandates in the United States, and EIHR’s work with the Right to Learn Coalition. Kate and Kim also reflect on the challenges educators face when teaching difficult histories and the role education can play in prevention, reconstruction, and civic life.
Learn more about EIHR: https://eihr.org/
Not to Forgive, but to Understand, Hosted by Sabah Carrim and Luis Gonzalez-Aponte examines genocide, mass violence, and their aftermath through conversations with scholars, practitioners, survivors, and others working to understand how these events occur and what their legacies demand of us.
00:00 Opening
02:00 Introducing Kate English and Kim Klett
03:10 EIHR’s Work in Rwanda and the Teacher Corps
09:42 Creating Resources for Educators
14:30 Why Genocide Education Matters After Conflict
19:39 Teacher Constraints and Teaching Difficult Histories
25:07 Holocaust Education Mandates in Arizona
28:12 The Right to Learn Coalition
33:42 Teacher Restrictions, Book Bans, and Classroom Climate
38:01 Fear and Access to Inclusive Education
40:01 EIHR’s Current Work in the Democratic Republic of Congo
42:00 Webinars, Literature, and Learning From Young People in Conflict