
Not to Forgive, but to Understand
A podcast series discussing topics in genocide studies with scholars and individuals deeply involved in understanding the complexities of genocide and its perpetrators. Presented by writer, and scholar of Genocide Studies Sabah Carrim, along with co-host Luis Gonzalez-Aponte. Tune in to this podcast series for insightful discussions on pressing topics in the field.
Episodes
25 episodes
Yair Wallach: The Ceasefire, & The Future of Israel-Palestine
In this episode, we are joined by Yair Wallach, Chair of the Centre for Jewish Studies at SOAS, University of London, to discuss the January 2025 ceasefire agreement between Israel and Gaza officials.The conversation examines the immedi...
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1:04:09

Uğur Ümit Üngör: Holocaust and Genocide Studies: Cucumber and Vegetable Studies?
In this interview, historian and sociologist Uğur Ümit Üngör discusses the controversy and complication over the use of the “g-word” (genocide), as well as the damage done to humanity because some genocides are deemed “more equal” than others. ...
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57:40

Arie M. Dubnov: 7 Questions on Israel
Join us for an insightful conversation with Arie M. Dubnov, Jewish-Israeli historian and associate professor at George Washington University. Dubnov discusses the complexities of genocide studies, the role of oral histories in the Holocaust, an...
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1:12:10

Omar Yousef Shehabi: 7 Questions on Palestine
Join us for an insightful conversation with Omar Yousef Shehabi, an acting assistant professor at NYU School of Law and a JSD candidate at Yale Law School. With a wealth of experience working as a legal officer for the United Nations Relief and...
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1:01:07

Zukiswa Wanner: Giving up the Goethe Medal for Gaza
Join us for an enriching conversation with Zukiswa Wanner, acclaimed writer and activist, as she shares insights from Johannesburg, South Africa. In this interview, Zukiswa reflects on her literary achievements, activism, and firsthand experien...
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36:50

Alex Hinton: The Engaged Scholar
Join us in conversation with Alex Hinton, Director of the Center for the Study of Genocide and Human Rights, Distinguished Professor of Anthropology, and UNESCO Chair in Genocide Prevention at Rutgers University. In this interview, we delve int...
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57:16

Dirk Moses: The Problems of Genocide: Israel and Palestine
Join us as we're privileged to host Dirk Moses, the Anne N. Bernard Spitzer Professor of Political Science at City University of New York and author of 'The Problems of Genocide: Permanent Security and the Language of Transgression.' Tune in as...
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1:07:51

Jermaine McCalpin: Truth and Reconciliation Commission after the 1972 Genocide in Burundi
In this episode, Jermaine McCalpin joins us for an in-depth conversation on the overlooked 1972 genocide in Burundi. We discuss the historical and political conditions that led to the violence, the colonial construction of ethnic identities, an...
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53:23

Thierry Cruvellier: Justice, Memory, and the Limits of the Rwandan Tribunal (ICTR)
Join us for a powerful conversation with Thierry Cruvellier, Editor-in-Chief of JusticeInfo.net and author of Court of Remorse and The Master of Confessions, as he reflects on his decades-long journey reporting on international tribunals and tr...
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1:16:37

Kjell Anderson: The Trial of Dominic Ongwen & the Complexity of Victim-Perpetrators
In this episode of Not to Forgive, but to Understand, we speak with Kjell Anderson, jurist, social scientist, and expert on mass violence, about the complexities of victim-perpetrators through the case of Dominic Ongwen. We explore the intersec...
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1:06:13

Leyla Ferman: ISIS, the Islamic State (Daesh), and the 74 genocides against the Yazidi
Leyla Ferman: A Decade After the Yazidi GenocideIn this episode of Not to Forgive, but to Understand, we speak with Leyla Ferman, Co-Founder of the Yazidi Justice Committee and Director of Women for Justice, about the ongoing fight for just...
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1:08:59

Craig Etcheson: Establishing the Khmer Rouge Tribunal (ECCC)
In this episode, we sit down with Craig Etcheson to explore his experiences conducting groundbreaking research on the Khmer Rouge and his role in the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia (ECCC). We delve into the continued activitie...
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51:53

Nyrola Elimä & Ben Mauk: The Persecution of the Uyghurs in China and Beyond
In this episode of Not to Forgive, but to Understand, Sabah Carrim speaks with Ben Mauk and Nyrola Elimä about their investigation published in The New York Times. The article, titled “The Long Road from Xinjiang” in print and “He Made a Daring...
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1:08:25

Morag Grant: Music in War, Torture, and Genocide
In this interview, musicologist Morag Grant, specializing in the intersections of music, violence, and human rights, discusses the ways music has been used in contexts such as mass violence, torture, and genocide. She examines its role in shapi...
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48:37

Jeanine Ntihirageza: Epistemicide and the Vestiges of Colonialism
In this episode, we sit down with Jeanine Ntihirageza, an expert in linguistics, refugee studies, and human rights in Africa. Jeanine shares insights from her recent work, “Education and Epistemicide in Africa: Towards an Ubuntu-Based Comprehen...
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1:01:45

Micki Pistorius: Profiling The Serial Killer and the Mass Murderer
In this episode of 'Not to Forgive, but to Understand,' we sit down with Micki Pistorius, psychologist, author, and profiler. She initiated the Investigative Psychology Unit in the South African Police Service in 1994 and profiled more than 30 ...
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Edward B. Westermann: Alcohol, Music, and Genocide
In this episode of 'Not to Forgive, but to Understand,' we sit down with Edward B. Westermann, Regents Professor of History at Texas A&M University-San Antonio and a renowned scholar on the Holocaust and military history. Westermann discuss...
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1:17:06

Chigbo Arthur Anyaduba: Memory, Remedy, & Meaning in Genocide Studies
In this episode we sit down with Chigbo Arthur Anyaduba, a scholar specializing in African and African/Black Diaspora literatures and the cultural representations of genocides. Arthur discusses his recent work, 'Memory/Remedy: Against the Sooth...
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1:16:02

Henry C. Theriault: Genocide Denial, Mass Violence, and Reparations
In this episode, we welcome Henry C. Theriault, Associate Vice President for Academic Affairs at Worcester State University. Theriault delves into his research on genocide denial, prevention, and reparations, discussing his work with the Armeni...
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1:07:44

Ben Meiches: Introducing Brain Science into Genocide Studies
Don't miss our captivating interview with Ben Meiches, a distinguished scholar in global politics and international law. Delving into his groundbreaking article published in the Journal of Genocide Research, Ben unpacks the fascinating relation...
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58:39

Juli Berwald: A Journey to Memorialize Holocaust Victims
Join us for a heartfelt conversation with Juli Berwald, an acclaimed ocean scientist, and author, along with her father Dr. David Berwald, mother Gail, and nephew Max Stein. Together, they share a poignant family journey rooted in the Holocaust...
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49:36

Amy Frake: Teaching the Holocaust in Texas
Join us as we're privileged to host Amy Frake, Associate Director of Education at Holocaust Museum Houston. Amy shares insights into the museum's impactful Education Department, which brings Holocaust education directly to schools. Gain valuabl...
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42:55

Robert Tally: Adolf Eichmann in Kurt Vonnegut’s Mother Night
Join us for an insightful discussion with Robert Tally, professor of English at Texas State University. Tally is the author of numerous books, including Kurt Vonnegut and the American Novel: A Postmodern Iconography. In this episode, we delve i...
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56:14

Christian Gudehus: Changing How We Cite and Write
Join us for an insightful interview with Christian Gudehus, a faculty member at Ruhr Universität Bochum and former editor-in-chief of Genocide Studies and Prevention. Christian is also the co-founder of HARM, a journal of hostility, aggression,...
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