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Turning Breakdown, Burnout, and Illness into the Catalyst for Awakening

• Amanda Smith • Episode 83

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This week on the Gutsy Chick podcast, I’m sitting down with the incredible Simon Luthi—aka the Rocket Shaman—for a conversation that’s part Wall Street unraveling, part soul-level awakening. After surviving three near-death experiences and a cancer diagnosis, Simon traded high-powered strategy for healing work that actually transforms.  

If you’ve ever felt like the “success” game was costing you your health or your soul, this episode is your permission slip to rewrite the whole script. 


In this Episode:  

00:00 The Journey to Becoming the Rocket Shaman 

02:09 From Wall Street to Healing: A Personal Transformation 

05:50 The Epidemic of Chronic Illness and Healing 

10:19 Lessons Learned: Navigating Chronic Illness and Trauma 

14:58 The Power of Positive Affirmations 

19:15 Music and Healing: The Role of Sound Therapy 

23:10 Transmutation: Redefining Leadership and Personal Growth 

28:25 The Future of Work: Embracing New Leadership Models 


Here’s how to connect with Simone Luthi: 

Website: www.therocketshaman.com  
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Simon Luti, thank you so much for saying yes to being on the Gutsy Chick podcast. It's been a minute since I've had a guy on actually. yeah, and I think what's crazy about your, like how I found you, you're the Rocket shaman. And I seriously contemplated, like, was he in aerospace like me? So what's the story behind the Rocket Shaman name? Let's start there. Yeah, perfect. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. You know, we had a uh pre talk on this and so had so many similarities already. And the Rocket Shaman another host thought I was a NASA scientist and I have to correct her. It's really not. But yeah, it's a funny story. My brother has always been a little bit of a trailblazer when it comes to energy medicine and alternative ways of healing. early on he was, uh, you know, using his tensor to figure out answers and was super into metaphysicals. And, um, he basically made a comment, gosh, back a couple of years ago to someone and said, Hey, know, Simon was always the one that didn't really want to have anything to do with it. He was dabbling in other areas, but from the moment that he said, yes, he took off like a Rocket. And, uh, he referred to, uh, the speed of which I was learning and transmuting myself. And yeah, so then that Rocket shaman and piece of it came out and I thought it was kind of funny. And then I can't most people do this. You go Google is this domain the Rocket Shaman.com available and it was and so here we are a book and music and a new purpose and you know, a new lines of tools are available and all under the Rocket Shaman and then jokingly because you may have you know, seeing the demand that was trying to get my last name right. you know, I, choke about Rocket Shaman is easier to remember than Simon Lutie. So here we are. got it right though, didn't I? So you became the Rocket shaman, but what was, what was the lead up to becoming the Rocket shaman? Because you started off as a wall street strategist and now here you are as the Rocket shaman, filling the gaps for us. What happened? Yeah, wow, long and beautiful story. um And literally, I would sum it up that I think when you don't live in congruence, your body and or life may show up in unexpected and sometimes painful ways to gently nudge you onto the direction that you should be you should be on. In my case, um I've had three near Was it really gently? Well, some were gentle, some were more like, hey, knucklehead, you know, throw you off, of course, for sure. Yeah, so I had three near death experiences between the ages of three and 18. Then I was diagnosed with an autoimmune um at 46. And then at 50, I got diagnosed with cancer. And all while coming here to the US, you know, living the American dream as we do as immigrants, m you know, climb the corporate ladder, make money, do the things that you think are important, raising a family, raising kids ah until your body goes and not so fast. right. uh And interestingly, my autoimmune manifested itself in my hands and I could not get out of bed in the morning. Like literally my hands were swollen shut. I could not open them at my own free will. I had trouble dressing myself. And for those of you listening and going through some, you know, you may relate, couldn't even empty dishwasher, but because like, I could only get my arms lifted as high and then it just gave out sitting gosh in the office for 20 minutes and then I would have to walk 10 minutes just to get up and go and I was limping. And then I was misdiagnosed several times and finally found healing. with integrative work and that's sort of the beginning of my work with shamans. And so, hey, everything is good. I'm healed. You know, I went through all the detox pathways. I rewired my brain. I have new neurological pathways and all this stuff. I'm good. Well, not so fast. you know, 2020 came about and for most of us, it was a shit show of a year anyway. So think of me being a new, you know, a new gig in in a, in a new city. living in a corporate apartment pandemic all by myself, and then you throw cancer on top of that. em And that was kind of the wake up call I think I needed to say, okay, how much more can I take or how much more do I ignore before I really start paying attention to what I should be doing? And yeah, I don't wish this on anybody. It was a crazy fucking journey. em But When I really see who I have become or who I have discovered through the rubble of my life, of truly finding the essence of Simon, the little boy, of what I meant to be doing for a long time, um I could start to rebuild. And I see these, I call this in the book, the guideposts that we have in life. So sacred guy posts that show up again and sometimes subtle, sometimes gentle, sometimes not so gentle ways. And the question I've asked myself is why is this happening for me? And what is no longer in congruence and what's really, really ready to unravel and finding the truth again. In myself, in the way I live, in the way I interact, in the way I build relationships. And I think that was the sacred invitation for me to, finally arrive where I'm at. And here we are, Rocket Shelman having this conversation, but. Right? Okay, you mentioned the book, Becoming the Rocket Shaman. What's the tagline after that? So it's lessons uh in healing chronic illness, emotional trauma and burnout when nothing else works. um I can share a staggering number that I learned as I was doing a little bit of research um because we have a complete new epidemic on our hands with chronic illness and cancer rates are just skyrocketing. We have the lowest life expectancy since 1944 and all the advancement in modern science and medicine have actually not gotten us any further into longevity because we are treating the body like it is a machine, like it is something. It's not a unit that actually interacts with everything that is. uh And I think there is a number out there that I read about a billion health-related searches happen across conversational AI and Dr. Google daily, worldwide. Mm-hmm. And about 35 % of those searches are related to mystery illness. So I have something going on, don't know what it is. And, um, here we are. And so I came out of, um, 2020 and the last couple of years feeling like, Hey, I've conquered. found myself now granted work is never done. You know, I think we're always in the transformation aspect of it, of finding ourselves, but I felt I had found myself in all of this and I felt I had a story worth telling. And I always say, you know, I wrote it all down so you don't have to suffer like I did. And the book is really part memoir, part ritual, part, uh you know, encouragement, I would say to just tell my story, who I was, who I am, what have I done? And it's kind of a, I guess a roadmap back to the soul. And I'm hoping to inspire millions with this book because we have just a system in place right now that isn't uh looking holistically at mind, body, soul, healing. Right. And we, we all need it. We all come from, you know, different families, different dysfunctional stuff. I think if you're out there and you had, you know, happy life and happy, you know, health and what are they saying? They always talk about the person that actually, you know, lives. happily married happily, no health issues and then dies in his sleep uh laughing or smiling, right? It's like that doesn't really happen very often. don't think, I think for most of us, life is a lesson. Life can be hard, life can be rough. And so I felt like if I could come up with my story of encouraging that if I could heal myself, so can you, um then mission accomplished. I love that mission. It's the same mission that I'm crazily enough, helping women who have chronic shit shows and it's showing up in their life and they've gone to all the doctors, they've tried all the things and they're going, I'm still in this place where I don't feel healthy. I just had this conversation with my parents this last weekend. There are several people on the forefront of what I would consider new healthcare, looking at the body from a holistic. mind, body, spirit, emotions. Those are the four sheaths I play in and you mentioned them the exact same ones, but you use slightly different words and I love that. So you're your brother on the mission that I'm on too, which is to help people really understand and get clear on what's going on inside. Not just the outward expression, that physical expression of what's what's going wrong, but really that deeper what happened to you in your childhood? How can we heal your inner child and then pull you back up into health that's sustainable, health that really takes you into longevity? Because yeah, the number's starting to decrease. We did hit an apex as far as longevity is concerned and how long people are living and now we're going into a backward slide on that. And it's interesting to, play witness to it. We had medical intervention that got us up to into your seventies, which is still boggles my mind, but that was, that was the peak was into your seventies. And now we're on this backward slide going closer to 70, which absolutely blows my mind. When you talk about lessons on healing chronic illness, What would you say is your number one lesson for you and number one lesson that you've learned being the Rocket shaman? m Yeah, it's a great question. And I'll try to be concise because I think you're asking me to choose one. That's difficult one. But just maybe a little bit of context before I answer that. You know, we are under attack from all sides, right? We have pollution in the air. We have access to clean food. Clean water is super, super difficult. And to go back to the statistic, right? We can see direct em correlation to what we are doing as a society to health related issues as well. Right. So we have, uh, again, the study back to 1944, and then you have, uh, all sudden the introduction of, um, factory farming and fast food. Um, and you can see the recollection in the fifties and sixties that heart related diseases are going up. Then we have the, uh, approval of roundup in our system in the seventies. And you could see cancer rates going through the roof. Um, and. You know, and then we now learn that not just what we eat and what we drink, but also our environment from an emotional side of things, right? The upbringing, the stories we've been told by our parents, the, uh, I would say the conditioning that we underwent through all the things of whether that's parents, whether that's siblings, whether that's friends, whether that's romantic partners, that forms an identity that we are. carrying at these maybe almost survival masks that we have to wear in order for us to get by. Uh, and we haven't even talked about like the spiritual beliefs of like, you know, thou shalt do that. And all the church that is basically telling you, you know, what you should and should not do. And I, and I put this all under the umbrella of, we're living in a fear-based world. And that is probably the number one lessons I learned as a shaman of like, how do we. survive in a fear-based world. And again, fear-based, define as, you know, you are being told how to live your life, what to do, what not to do. And also to some degree, what I just said about food. Well, if you're basically saying, ah I just ate that bag of potato chips and, know, you feel super guilty about it. But if you actually had a positive relationship with food, And you say, I'm going to nourish this. I'm going to feel good about this. Now I'm not saying you should be doing eating potato chips like seven days a week kind of with this, but I have the belief that you can have the cake and eat it too. You just have to change the way you think about what you're actually putting in your body and start having a positive experience. So thinking positive and having a positive mindset is more of a shamanic aspect, but the number one, and let's get just super practical in this for a second. For those of you with, with autoimmune chronic illnesses, yes, there are some people that talking about viral overload and that's true. For me, what I found is in most cases you have large traces of heavy metal. So your detox pathways are actually not functioning properly. And what I just said, we are bombarded with environmental toxins. Um, and the body is trying daily 24 seven to detox. And sometimes we just got to give it him or her. us uh a little help. And so in my case, it was crazy, right? I was misdiagnosed. I went to the top rheumatological clinic in the country. They didn't know what the hell they were doing. um But that's a longer story and you can read it in the book. I found why I refused the malaria medication that they were uh suggesting I would take and found help serendipitously in a clinic in Switzerland and then subsequently got treatment in Germany. And I did chelation therapy. I actually did, you know, I had to fix all my amalgams and metal. we know now that that can cause havoc. Had to get all that out and then chelation therapy and then some really good and juicy IV therapy to get the environmental toxins out and replenish my body with the vitamins and minerals that needed. Supplement that with a new protocol of food and supplementation. And again, I look at you and yeah, I am the guy that couldn't get out of bed. 10 years ago, 11 years ago now. And now I'm here completely healed. I don't take any medication. I changed the way I think about myself, like sort of the mental aspect of it. And I changed, you know, my food intake overall. And, you know, I think that's maybe the secret is take care of maybe the illogical, go to use the illogical ways in how you, you know, clean and get treatment. and positive affirmations, man. It's like, ah it's, it's the thing. So positive affirmations were your route through the mental clutter of that time. Yeah, mean, amongst many other things, but it's been interesting. A friend of mine suggested I should read Louise Hay, you can heal your body. Love her. Love her, right? book all the time, but not to the affirmations. well, for me, I think I, I, and, know, let me just maybe take a quick side because it might be important for people to hear, because we talk a little bit about conditioning, right? And in my case, I went through life feeling like I'm not lovable. And if that's true, what is my tactic to be lovable? And, uh, I showed up kind of as the rescuer that worked for me, but love became transactional and I was able. Um, ancestrally traced us all the way back to my two grandmothers. had one grandmother that didn't love me for a variety of reasons, read the book and the other one loved me, but I rescued her because my grandfather passed away two weeks before I was born. So this conditioning that I'm talking about is really deeply in it or was in my cells. And I think I speak for many of you listening. Think about this for second. Like what do you actually believe and how do you show up in the world? And is it, yours or is this not yours? Now for me, I was like, okay, if I still believe that I'm not lovable, what do I do about that? Right? I have, I could have all the survival techniques of how to actually, you know, get yourself into a situation where you might get, you know, love back from someone. And I literally just started with the simple phrase. I love you. I love you. I love you. I approve of you. I approve of you. I approve of you. And I would say this 30, 40, 50, 60 times per day. The beauty about positive affirmations, the way Louise Hay taught it, you don't even have to believe it. Just do it. And astounding to me that I would sit in my, in my condo completely alone after about I don't know, remember, but I would say it's a short amount of time, maybe six weeks, seven weeks or so. And I sit there, have candles go and have music playing. And I have all of a this amount of bliss wash over me. Gratitude and bliss of just like, my gosh, like that's what it is supposed to feel like. So that's why I think affirmations and we can go deeper into other affirmations that you can use and especially chronic illness. And she did a marvelous job of, of, of writing those all out. They work. because it worked for me in restoring myself into I am worthy of love and I love myself. And it turned into then even, okay, what else can I do with positive affirmations? And uh so yeah, try it out. I love that. Yeah, that, that book is one of my favorites to reference when it comes to helping people understand what's psychologically going on that manifested this pain that's showing up in your body. When it comes to the affirmations though, gotta, gotta lead the horse to water, but can you get them to drink? And for me, when it came to affirmations, it was more about the movements. I needed to move in a certain way, carry myself in a certain way. And my husband always tells me, he's like, you really have great posture. And I was like, that's because I've trained myself to have good posture because that's how I allow the energy to flow first off, but also to carry that confidence, to carry that open heartedness and to carry my head on top of my shoulders in a strong way. That shows strength as well. So for me, it's always been in the movement, but I love that it came through for you in the words because, and this, this goes back to what we know about music. When you listen to music or you listen to poetry and it's in a rhythmic pattern, kind of like using the drum as you're listening, your subconscious is taking all of that in. There's no filter between your conscious mind and your subconscious when it comes to music. And Simon, you, you did something with music for us, didn't you? Yeah, I'm glad you bring this up. So I was a sound engineer in my previous life before I had to get a real job and, you know, hang it all up and all that. um In my training, one of my friends taught me or showed me for the first time that you can actually influence uh reactions in the physical body by turning up certain frequencies that are outside of our hearing ability. So below 20 Hertz and above. 10 K. So it's, it's interesting to me when I think he was the first one introducing me that something is possible, which was gutting me down a rabbit hole of, well, if that's possible, what else is possible? We now know that in terms of frequency therapy and things of that nature, we can do a lot. Many of you probably have seen the, you know, the 530 Hertz, you know, heart opening and or other, other meditations out there. I'm going a little deeper into, now know that each cell actually vibrates on a typical frequency that is just for that particular cell or organ. We can test the body for these, you know, are you actually in a healthy state or a unit of distress state for anything in your body? It's pretty wild. and I wanted to go back to the roots of my sound engineering days. I actually had a. thought about what can I do with the book and how can I provide an additional tool for people to get my story and being also gifted with healing frequencies. For those of you that have severe ADHD like yours truly, some books are harder to read and harder to get through. um so this CD basically, actually it's not even CD, guess, audio digital recording. God, I aged myself. uh yes. The album? you, can you get this out? The album exactly is, is, is really a musical companion to becoming that Rocket charmer. It's called whispers of the healing road. And I took each chapter of the book. I fused it into a lyrical component and then created a sound carpet, I guess, on top. wanted to see what feeling do I want to actually. create with the words and my story that I'm telling. We recorded it and then afterwards I went in and mastered it and infused each track with specific healing frequencies to bring you from, you know, meeting you where you are maybe in the deepest valleys to lifting you up to come through it and to the very last track, which is a gospel track that I just have to put in uh where I say, hallelujah, it's finally done. Um, because when you go through a big healing journey, like I did, you, you do want to feel like, an exhale. Okay, here we are. Um, and so yeah, it was a total, um, work of love. I didn't know where it was going to go. Um, and, uh, here we are. So if you're interested, um, I think there's a link on my website, um, in the book, there's a QR code you can, you can download as well. But if you don't want to wait for. for the book, can certainly listen to the music and invite you to either dance in the kitchen to it or lay down and close your eyes and just take the stories in and see if you can relate. Now you you're also coming out with an audio book for is that going to be a companion to is actually let's go back to the music. Is the music a companion to the book? Do you buy them separately or are they do they come together? Yeah, no, it's a companion to the book. So they are sold separately because I felt like, some people might want the music versus the book. Some people might the book, don't care about the music. Some people might want to do both. So it's the same story, but infused in a different energy. That's probably the best way to say. And obviously the words are slightly different, but the storyline is the same. um Yeah, so I'm all about sound. And so I just finished... recorded the audiobook, so that'll be available I think on Amazon. I'm still in the uploading phase of it. I'm not sure whether it comes through Audible. I think it does. So if you have an Audible subscription, should be able to get it. And yes, that was again, you know, this is not about a yay me moment. This is not about promoting my book. But you and I talked a little bit about Native American traditions of the storyteller, right? And how the talking stick was passed around and how we would sit by the fire and listen to stories. And as I was recording each chapter again, I had chills and I had tears and I was like, wait, why are you reacting so emotionally? This is your story. You wrote it. You've been sitting with this for a year and a half. And I just felt like. As I'm reacting this way, this is really a story that needs to be told, whether that's around the fire or, you know, during your morning coffee. Um, and so, yeah, super, super pleased with, uh, with how it all turned out. Can't wait for you all to read and listen and hear it. And, and then, you know, this is not a one way street, right? For me, I dedicated myself to this work because I really want to help people move through it. And so if there's questions or anything you want to go deeper, I'm sure you'll have it probably in the show notes. Feel free to send me an email or contact me because that's what I do. I love helping people through their trials and tribulations and creating a healthier environment, not just for us personally, but also in our companies and places we work. Well, I'm going to drop this in here. The Rocket shaman.com is where you guys go. It's spelled exactly how it sounds. And hello at the Rocket shaman.com is how you can reach out to Simon. Okay. Let's, let's go a little deeper. So I was checking out your website and transmutation is a word that shows up on your website several times. And my native mama, Maria Yaspiru, who was just on the podcast two episodes ago. She says that 2025 is the year of transmutation. What's your definition of transmutation? You know, I thought this was really wild when you said that to me in our pre-call um because this word came to me as I was starting to redefine who I am and who I want to show up in the world. And my coach actually was saying, do you really want to go down this road with, know, you could go transformation and transmutation. Nobody really talks about it except in this, you know, like it's almost like live TV. Right? said, no, want to, I want to own my lane because I don't want to just transform. I would say transformation is just you move from one part to the next transmuting is finding yourself again and showing up differently. So, I, I teach this now and courses because again, maybe go back to the fact that I was a corporate executive and strategist. It would have been very easy for me to just walk away from it all. And I did for a while because I needed to find myself. But walking away and not leaning in with my whole authentic self felt like a of a cop out in a way of just not honoring 30 years of my life that I dedicated to corporate America. So transmutation and transmutation design is a regenerative leadership methodology that rewires how humans live, lead and perform. And it blends a little bit of the ancient wisdom. but also sprinkled in with neuroscience and polyvagal theory and quantum energy principles to help leaders evolve beyond outdated systems and step into their highest potential. And really it's about shifting leaders from burnout to brilliance and teaching them again to act from a place of consciousness and intuition so that we really can equip to become more regenerative, high-impact visionaries versus this depletion capitalism that we're in. Yeah, wow. I love your definition of transmutation. This year has definitely been for me mutating and rolling back to what I was doing in corporate. Being the aerospace engineer, I've finally gotten through all of my healing so that I can bring that part back into my work. And now I'm... letting people know like, here's how the sun is actually affecting your body on planet. And here's how the moon is affecting your body on planet. bringing back that knowledge to let people know like, yeah, this body, it's going to be affected by all those planets outside of here. And it's not quite the astrological version. It's more the scientific version. But there's still some tie in with us astrology because there's the patterns that show up. I love that you're teaching leaders. You're teaching corporate leaders and just leaders across the board. There are a lot of leaders that listen to this podcast and I hope they heard what you said about the ways, the things that you use because I'm geeking out over here. We're using neuroscience, polyvagal theory. Those are my jam. Those are that's the, to me, that's the root. We're experiencing this whole existence through the brain and the nervous system. And if we're not caring for that part of us, understanding that part of us, then we're missing a huge opportunity to really show up in our highest selves and be the leaders that we need to be. In these roles as entrepreneurs, you don't have a choice but to show up and show up as your highest self when you're doing transformational. or transmutational work. So thank you for what you're doing for our leaders in that regard. Sure, sure. Yeah, I think, you know, this new time just demands it. think even the next generation on the next gen talent that's coming out there rejecting kind of these outdated systems. I talk a little bit about, in some of my talks about development plans are dead and the old leadership model is just outdated. And I think we need organizations and leaders who radiate energy and authenticity and trust. Yes. I truly believe that if we can transmute our personal energy. So as a leader, you create a ripple effect, you, you heal teams, companies and the culture. And, I just feel deeply down in my bones that this is something that, um, is the future that we need to make a change. We cannot continue in the old ways. And, you know, like with everything old ways will die and new ways will, will, will come in. I had a great guest on, and I'm going to look up her name here really quick. We talked about coaching the gen Z and gen alpha age groups. And what, what we talked about was that they've flipped Maslow's hierarchy. And the first thing that they care about is why. So they're asking why all the time, because all of the information that they need is at their fingertips. We, you and I didn't have that as kids. We didn't have a computer, we didn't have cell phones, we didn't have automatic information. We had to pull out Encyclopedia Britannica and find it alphabetically, right? So the kids, they don't have the same struggles that we did. Now they just go straight to I'm self-actualizing. That's all they care about. Trying to remember the name of person. I would also say, you know, the next generation is looking for meaningful work. They're no longer in the, in the nine to six or nine to five kind of things. They don't just want to do things because they're told to do right. The why is, is, is a big aspect of it. And if we are smart to tap into this next generations, Capital they're challenging us right there to some degree like our greatest teachers there. They are demanding that things are different ah And so I think if we are successful in co-creating a new a new model ah You know that the sky is still in it and you know going into a little bit of another direction I listen to uh a to someone speak that she says she's a medium that kind of looks into the future and sees kind of these these new models and she's even saying We're actually all these big corporations are going to actually die. We're going to the next, you know, by, you know, 10, 20, 30 years, we're going to be more smaller businesses, more tribal oriented back to kind of family business, but not family as you're, you know, like the Smith family or the Lutti family, but like, you know, what we do together, right? What your mission is, my mission is potentially there is a working together to create a new way of business that is regenerative and that still provides, um, And I don't know whether we will go to this extreme, but I found it a fascinating concept to go, okay, well, if, that is true, if she's really channeling that from, from above, then this transmutation design and equipping the leaders of the future is exactly that, right? It's conscious leadership. It's regenerative capitalism. Um, I don't say you can't make money by being and doing good. These two actually don't mutually exclude itself. you can absolutely do that. It's just, you have to show up with a more intuitive and. You you talk about posture, right? We have to build companies in this posture again to not break that. Yeah. Strong foundation, beautiful alignment. Put the cherry on top. Yes. That right there. I mean, take that. So the episode that I was referring to was with Stasia Rivera and episode 32 Viva Athletics is, she's doing some phenomenal work. She's doing her research on Gen Z and Gen Alpha and it's working. in the athletic sphere. So obviously it's going to work when it comes to corporate leaders. We're grooming them to become corporate leaders. Most of our corporate leaders are we're athletes at one time. I think the statistic in that realm is like 80 % of our CEOs were athletes at one point. Is it really? Okay, I must be the black sheep in that one. I'm not, I'm totally not. I was definitely an athlete and still am to this day. treating these, these newer generations and really helping them to understand how to be the leaders and let them lead us. I think you're onto something when it comes to that. And I, I truly, truly believe what the person was telling you about the future and this fa family cosmology. Yeah, we're headed in that direction. We are absolutely headed in that direction because we don't have pensions anymore. We don't have this need to stay in one position, one job, one company any longer. We don't have that attachment. So then how do we create a work environment that people are actually going to enjoy? And this is where I feel like some of the tech companies were on the right track. Google had the pods you could go take a nap in during the day and things like that. And it was just like, yes, treat your people like human. Don't treat them like robots. And it's the same with the body, as you mentioned already. Treat your body like it's all the components and not just this machine, a robot operating in the world. Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited for the future, even though you could say it looks bleak and, you know, with everything that's going on. But I do feel like if we're successful in staying positive, again, positive affirmations and not giving in to the fear-based world and really starting to show up, we are many. That's my encouragement. We are many. And as we refuse to believe into the old outdated systems and start to build this, not fighting against it, but really start to build our own systems, our own companies, our own infrastructures, our own circles, that I think will be the turning point for us where we can survive and thrive as humanity. Absolutely. Well, Simon, you're definitely someone who belongs in my circles. We have, thank you. We have a lot in common. We definitely have more to talk about, but we've, we've hit our limit today on this episode. So I'm going to invite you back so that we can take a deeper dive, especially after your book is released and we can check in and see how that's doing becoming the Rocket shaman. What was the tagline again? It's lessons in healing chronic illness, emotional pain and burnout when nothing else works. Yeah you guys go pre-order this on release date we're still in pre-order and if you're listening to this after September 4th yes so this this will episode this episode will release on September 4th but the book releases on September 13th go get it paperback, audio book, music, everything is out there uh afterwards. So thank you for your support and for just allowing me to share a little bit of my story. And hopefully your listeners found some encouragement that you're not alone out there. No doubt they're not. They got a lot of episodes to listen to to hear that on gutsy chick. feel the same way as you about your book. Every time I go back and listen to my episodes, I know I get the tingles. I get excited because I know what I'm putting out there is for everyone's highest good. It's not just about me. It's about everybody. So Simon, thank you again. Thank you, Amanda.

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