Ep. 23 My Dream VBAC Birth Story + Life As A Fam of 5!

Scarlette is here!! It truly still all feels so surreal. This week, Scotty is back on the mic with me as we finally share Scarlette’s birth story — from my water breaking in the middle of the night, to me somehow still showering and doing skincare before leaving for the hospital, to one very fast, very healing delivery that still feels a little surreal. I'm not sure how but I feel like I manifested the birth I so desperately wanted and somehow got it this time around- they do say 3rd times a charm?!

In this episode, we talk about what went into my decision to try for a VBAC after a previous C-section, how we navigated the risks with my doctor, and everything I did to prepare in hopes of going into labor naturally. We also share the full labor and delivery story — getting to the hospital, realizing things were moving very fast, getting the epidural just in time, and the completely surreal moment Scotty actually got to help deliver Scarlette.

We also get into the real-life aftermath: bringing her home, introducing her to Aspen and Bash, the sibling prep that actually helped, some big feelings that have come up, and what this transition to three kids has really been like so far. And let me just say… the newborn is not the one keeping us on our toes as we thought.

If you love birth stories, postpartum talk, sibling transitions, and hearing the honest, unfiltered version of what this season has looked like for us, this episode is for you.

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Transcript

Welcome And Newborn Life

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to The Milk, the podcast that pours it all out, the messy, the magical, and the mildly unhinged moments of motherhood and womanhood. Real talk, honest stories, and reminders that none of us really know exactly what we're doing, and that's kind of the best part. I'm Taylor, your host and soon-to-be mom of three. So let's laugh, learn, and milk the season of life for all that it's worth.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of The Milk. Sorry, this one is a little delayed. We've been slightly sidetracked with our new boss, Scarlett Lee McKnight, who is joining us along with Scotty's here today. My other half. You guys loved the episode. What episode did we do? Oh, the gender reveal where you surprised me. We did that one, and you guys loved having him on here, so we have to give the fans what they wanted, him again. Um, and also he had such a nice little hand in our delivery and my birth story. So I thought it'd be fun for us to kind of reminisce and relive it together because I owe you our birth story of Scarlet. There's a chance she's gonna wake up during this episode. Um, but we're gonna we're gonna try our best to make it through, and we'll improvise if we need to. Um, but it's now been what 13 days? We had her two Tuesdays ago. Two Tuesdays. And this is a Monday, so yeah, it's been almost two weeks with her, and she's just been the most angelic little babe, and she's so sleepy and cute, and has a full ass head of hair. When she came out, everyone was just like, oh my gosh, look at that head of hair. It looked like she was wearing a wig.

SPEAKER_04 1:42

Oh, it was the first thing I saw.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

It was, yeah. She did come out head first. She did.

SPEAKER_04 1:47

I just saw a lot of hair.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

And um our other two kids had hair, but not like hers. And then you look back at Scotty's pictures when he was a baby, and you're like, oh, I know exactly where that came from.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

It was a hideous child. Thankfully, they look like you, but with my hair for her.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

But oh she's opening her eyes. Um But yeah, no, we've just been living in like the biggest love bubble, and we'll get to how the transition has been with a family of five at the end, but honestly, it's been so much I don't want to say like easier, but smoother. Kind of easier than I think I expected. I feel like going from one to two, the culture shock of having two kids instead of one, like having to just swap kids all the time, was so much harder or like jolting.

SPEAKER_04 2:38

I think zero to one is the hardest.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Totally. But then one to two, remember our first night or our first morning, and we woke up and it was like double bottles, double diapers. Granted, we had two kids under a year and a half, so it was like two babies at once, but like that felt so much more jolting.

SPEAKER_04 2:55

I agree. I agree. I think we talked about this earlier, but like she has been such an angel. She's the best. What our other kids have been so good with her, but they take the opportunity where maybe like we can't, we're not looking at them for a second because we're doing something for Scarlet, and we come in and they've painted our you know, floor. They've been fucking shit up when we turn our backs, completely just like taking advantage of the situation.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Um and they've been buddying up more, like they're in a full alliance. It's a cahoots. It's crazy. It's it's actually hilarious. Like I find it so endearing, even though they're like raiding the snack cabinet and like throwing crackers and everything all over the place and squeezing juice on the floor, like they're doing the craziest shit. But I find it so endearing because they are just like little buddies that just help each other, like everything Bat Aspen does, Bash follows, and then like we were talking about this with a friend yesterday. She is his muscle. So, like, if he can't grab a cookie on his own, like at the party yesterday, she would go and she'd with confidence, she'd grab it for him, she'd grab the f sneak the fruit off the table, bring it to him in the little toy shed that they're playing in. Just it's it's been cute to see their bond even getting stronger.

SPEAKER_04 4:11

We were at a birthday party, we don't make them play in a shed, by the way. So it was just uh to clarify that for the listeners.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

That sounded so bad. But Stephen Maris, like they had that shed that they're turning into a playhouse for the kids. It sounded really bad. But anyways, um, so yeah, that's what we've been up to the next the last two weeks. I'll also be filming a birth and postpartum QA video um probably for next week, too. So we'll get to like questions of that after. But I thought it'd be fun for us to share our birth experience just because it was so incredible and hilarious, and just honestly was so fun.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

Oh, I mean the best one by far. Very fun.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

By far, much faster than I think we expected, much faster, and just like such great memories, and I don't know, it's I feel like you never

Why This Birth Felt Redemptive

SPEAKER_01 5:05

ever get the birth of your dreams, or like things always don't go according to plan. Q our last two births, but for some reason this one was so beyond perfect, and pretty much everything that I manifested and envisioned, down to like the time I went into labor, the time I gave birth, like I was working hard with manifesting this birth, and somehow I got it. It was just the perfect way to tie a bow on our babies and just like redeem my birth experience after Bash and how that one felt. Like I had to mourn a lot of my expectations and some like trauma that came with the birth, I think, for Scotty and I, of you know, it was really scary.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

Well, and the courage to kind of because I know it's it's like a sensitive topic, right? Once you have a C-section to then go natural.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Yeah, having oh yeah, that's a big piece of the story that I was so dead set on having a V back. And Scary's like, what's a V back?

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Yeah, I never know what any of it. Thank you for clawed though. I find out very quick quickly what this is.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

He's like, so so what's the game plan here? What are you trying to do? I'm like, just this is what's happening, and this is what I want.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

I just wanted to make sure you weren't gonna die.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Wasn't gonna come out of my butt, I can tell you that.

SPEAKER_04 6:26

Yeah, I would have known.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

But um, yeah, so ultimately I decided early on when she was head down and stayed head down that I really, really, really wanted to have a V back. Um just because my C-section, again, I got so sick from. The recovery was ten times harder than I anticipated. A lot of other moms though, like love their C-section, so not to scare anyone, but for me, I just didn't have the greatest experience. So I was like, I really, really, really want to go for a V back and just kind of redeem myself after a birth that didn't really go according to plan at all. Um, and then we definitely, I mean, I can get into this more in the QA, but the reason why we also felt comfortable because some doctors won't do them, is because I was also like the perfect candidate that I've had a vaginal birth before. Bash was a C-section only because he was breached, not because my body couldn't progress. And Scotty and I went into the doctor's appointment to discuss my birth plan. And Scotty's in Scotty's like very um into like statistics and numbers, and he wants like the facts of like, okay, what are the risks with both births? What happens if we're still.

SPEAKER_04 7:35

I don't I don't kind of like have any attitude to it. I'm a Did I have attitude? Like what are the risks? I wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

I'm I'm That's just how I talk. I feel like sometimes people think it's bitchy.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

Yeah, I'm more like, you know, hey, just let me know what are the statistically, like if if she's going the V back route, what are the odds and what like could go wrong there.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

And if it does go wrong, what are the survival rates or like what and then what are the you know survival rates on the opposite side?

SPEAKER_04 8:02

And then you weigh both sides, and you're like, okay, what's most likely to bring safe baby and keep you alive? Because me with three kids without you would be they'd be painting the whole house.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

You'd be so pissed at me for dying?

SPEAKER_04 8:16

I wouldn't be pissed. Again, I wouldn't be pissed at you. I would just be really, really sad.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Um but no, so I mean there were risks with obviously a C-section and a V back. What were the it was like 0.0, was it seven or nine of uterus rupture? That's the main risk with a V back, is that because the C-section cut so deep that's because the scar isn't like healed and so then that could cause uterus your uterus to rupture. And then if it's not um what's the word I'm looking for, in that type of scenario, if they're not prepared for that, that it can lead to I think. Yeah, it's this whole thing that they kind of described as and it honestly kind of was like a little bit of an icky feeling when they explained all the risks, but also I was like, I need I want the knowledge, I want to be informed of like worst case scenario, am I gonna be okay? And they do prepare you, like you get two of those, what is it, the I dre IV, um whatever those things are. Instead of IVs, is it instead of one, you get two, like they prep you as if like you're going in for an emergency C section if the worst case scenario would have happened.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

They also have like your blood type on tap for blood trans blood transfusion if necessary. Um so they're fully prepared.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Yeah, but at the same time, they're not the percentage is so low. When they did throw out the one in a hundred women experience uter uterine rupture, I was like, oh, that kind of feels a little more real than like 0.09 or whatever the percentage was when you put in those numbers. Yeah. But I honestly felt so good about it, and because I was such a great candidate, and I just felt like my body really could do it because I had such a great first vaginal birth as well. Um, and yeah, I just trusted my doctor and my team. So that's kind of where our head was going into birth. But I also was really hoping to go into labor naturally. That's another big puzzle piece. Like they always recommend going into labor naturally for a V back because with an induction, sometimes the pitocin and meds can pick up your contractions too fast, or it could take a long time to get those contractions to a good place where your uterus is overworking and that can cause a rupture too. So I was adamant on trying to go

VBAC Decision And Real Risks

SPEAKER_01 10:40

into birth naturally, but I also did not want to make it to 40 weeks or past 40 weeks. Um so I was putting in work with preparing my body, drinking the raspberry leaf tea. I was collecting colostrum, I was walking 30 minutes a day, I was taking evening primrose, uh, and what else? I was doing all the things. I can talk about it more, but I really think that helped. Scotty wouldn't have sex with me. That's that's one thing that I didn't know we were gonna talk about that. So I didn't have that handy.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

Well, here's the thing. Obviously, I don't want to get too in detail, but like we have three kids, so we're we're pretty good there. Anytime it gets towards the nine and a half or you know, nine months, there's a whole living baby right there that's kicking, and I'm seeing the arms, and especially it's my daughter's arms? It's my daughter. You see a handprint? You see a foot, and I'm just like, I feel bad for the baby. Where I'm like, what if I poked her? Dent her head.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

So it just it's you know, it's a little bit anyways. I talked about that in the last episode that apparently semen helps softening the cervix. So I didn't get a hand at that, but I did put in a lot of other work. Um I did the mile circuit um and a bunch of other stuff. So, anyways, um, and I started feeling all kinds of things. I want to say like two weeks leading up to birth, but even before, like constant Braxton Hicks and more than I've ever experienced, and they were starting to get more uncomfortable, not painful, but just like so tight where I'm like, oh, that just doesn't actually feel good. And we went to our 37-week scan. And I I think I talked about this already, but I was already three and a half centimeters dilated, 70% effaced, and we ended up having her six days later. Um, so what else? Am I missing anything pre-birth?

SPEAKER_04 12:39

No, I was just, I mean, we came out of that 37-week and I was like, I thought I had more more time here, so there's a rush, mad dash for me to go get everything.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

Scotty was panicking as in as if we were going into labor that night, like took our cars to the gas station to get gas.

SPEAKER_04 12:54

Panic is an extreme word. I was I was preparing diligently.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yes, okay. Yes. He he gets triggered by the word panic. Apparently, I said don't panic in when I was videoing him in the middle of his sleep.

SPEAKER_04 13:06

Because I don't really panic.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

You panic a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 13:09

I just like internally. Don't really panic.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Okay. You go into go mode. How about that?

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Yeah, I'm like, okay, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Okay, yeah.

unknown 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

No panic.

SPEAKER_04 13:17

Which is why I was when you were packing the gift bag, I'm like, let's go. Because go, your water broke. We should probably get to, you know, the hospital with the professionals.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Uh-huh. Yeah, no. I don't know why. Looking back, I posted a video of I guess after my lot water broke, like me just getting myself ready. And one of the biggest comments was people were like, What they were like, what kind of antidepressant are you on to be this calm? Or like they were like, How are you so calm during this? Like, I'd be running around. And I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

I didn't even know you were doing that.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

I don't think no, because you were packing everything in the car.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

I was packing everything in the car. I didn't know it was a content shoot going on.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Well, I didn't either. I was just like, I just had my phone up while I was doing things, just to like, I don't know, remember it. And then when I looked back, I'm like, oh my gosh, I have all of this.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

But and the meta ray band glasses came in key.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Yeah. I wanted him to whip them out during birth because he was down there that I could see and like record for later. And you're just too head in the game, literally.

SPEAKER_04 14:16

Here's here's the only thing. Sometimes with the meta-ray bands, they're a little heavier than normal glasses, and I had to be pretty locked in for the delivery. And the last thing I wanted was like, I'm focusing on delivering Scarlet, and my glasses kind of slide down the bridge of my nose a little bit, and then I'm gloved up. I can't touch the glasses because that'd be unsanitary. The video maybe doesn't come out as clear. Something goes wrong here.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Yeah, you drop you drop the baby. Um do that. Anyways, so I guess on April 6th, we'll start at the beginning. On April 6th, we I a couple days leading up, I'll talk about this. A couple days leading up, I felt so a lot of pressure, my stomach was contracting a lot, and then um April 6th, around like noon, I went on a walk and a 30-minute walk, and I just felt so much pressure down there, and I had like really dull cramping. And I actually ran into our neighbor and one of my good friends, Maddie, on the street, and I was like, Oh, I have like really bad cramps, like I don't know if I'm going into labor. And she's obviously gone into labor naturally once or twice. And she was like, Well, it should be like uh they come and go almost like contractions. And I was like, That's weird, like it's just constant aching, like I'm on my period or about to start it. So she's like, just go home and lay down and rest. So I did that. And then at 345, we left to go get Bash's haircut. And the couple days leading up, I felt so much energy where I'm like, I want to get stuff done. And like, if we don't get Bash's haircut now, we're not gonna get it until like a month or so after the baby's here. And so at 3:45, we hop in the car and I sit on the car, like the seat, and all of a sudden I get this like really long cramp just on one side, and to the point where it lasts like 30 plus seconds where I couldn't even turn the car on yet. Once the cramp stops, I turn the car on and our family of four drives down to go to his haircut. And 15 minutes later, we're getting out of the car, and I'm like, oh, I feel another one. And it's like just on one side. And I just thought maybe it was like the pressure of how she was like sitting in me. And Scotty, like, I don't think he really thought I was going into labor, but he's on the phone with someone from work and he's like, hold on, Taylor's having a contraction in the middle of the road. And I'm like, uh-huh, okay, screw you.

SPEAKER_04 16:36

In the middle of the road?

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Yeah, we were getting out of the car and you're kneeling down with Bash and I'm or with Aspen, and I'm just like on the side of the street before we walk in.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Yeah.

unknown 16:44

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

And so then we walk in, and another 15 or 20 minutes later, I'm sitting in the hairdressing like chair with Bash on my lap, and I start making this face, and I don't don't think anyone's like looking at me, and I'm in like so much pain. And then I I make eye contact with Bash's like hairdresser, and he's like, Is he sitting on your stomach wrong? Like, do you want me to move him? And I can't even get words out for like 15 seconds, and we're just making awkward eye contact, and then I'm like, sorry, I think I'm I think I'm just going into labor. And the the shock on his face, and like he's starts like twitching his hands, being like, Let me, I can finish his haircut really fast. Like, and I was like, you know what? Just let's make it through it. Don't worry about it. And I I didn't really think I was fully going into labor, but I was like, this is just weird.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

And then I I would refer to him as Bash's barber. Oh, what did I say, hairdresser? I don't know if Bash needs a hairdresser. Um we don't want him to seem too high maintenance, and I this is barber.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Okay, his barber.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

Yeah, you were experiencing some pain, I could tell.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

And so, yeah, it was just on one side though, it was so weird. And then we went home, did dinner, like, and it just never nothing happened again. So I was like, okay, cool, like that's it. And then I look back at you were messing around with the camcorder. This is just so crazy how you were messing around with it the night before. The night before. And he was just, I was laying on the bed horizontal, and it like looks like I'm going into labor. And I look back, I'm like, how the hell did I not know I was going into labor? Because Bash is attached to my back like a little spider monkey. I'm laying on the bed sideways, like, literally look like I'm on my deathbed. And Scotty's like, say bye to mama's belly, kids, like it's gonna be gone soon. And he's just recording me messing around with it. And yeah, and so little did we know, a few hours later my water was gonna break. So the kids went to bed, and then Scarlett had one last massive dance party in my stomach. I actually posted it on my Instagram story. It was like the craziest she's ever been. And then I went to bed, and at three, like 20 in the morning, I was like sleeping and I took a breath, and all of a sudden, like I just felt like a leaking. And then I took another breath, same thing, a third breath, and I bounced out of bed. I was like, I am actually peeing myself in my sleep. Like, this is so embarrassing. And so I stand up, and as I am walking to the bathroom, it's just a full tidal wave, like gush, and it's pitch black. And I just start like kind of frantically looking for because I have no idea what's happening in the moment. I'm half asleep, and I look for a light and I turn it on and I look down. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is happening, and this is happening right now. And I was 38 weeks and three days at 3:30 in the morning on April 7th. I totally thought we had another week.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah, we it was it felt a little shocking. And then I was like, oh wait, like there's no going back. Like, oh no, oh no, this is actually happening. It's not like just kidding. So I I don't know why. I like picked up my phone and I just started talking. I was like thinking to myself, I'm like, do I wake Scotty? Do I not wake Scotty? Because I hadn't had contractions yet. And then I ultimately was like, Scotty would be like, Why didn't you wake me up if I didn't? So I called my dad and I was like, Hey, my water just broke. I don't know when contractions are starting. I don't know if I have to go to the hospital right now, but just be awake. And then I went and I woke Scotty up and he had only fallen asleep two hours before.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

I think an hour.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

An hour before.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

An hour before.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Anyway, so I got him out of bed, and then he starts not panicking and grabbing all the bags. I had our roll unpacked, but my handbag with like all of my toiletries and the snacks and like cameras and all those things were just like laid out, and so he took those and I was like, I need to take a shower. So I took a shower, then I was like, I'm not feeling a contraction yet. I'm gonna do my damn skincare,

Early Labor Signs And The Haircut

SPEAKER_01 20:40

and it's 3:30 in the morning. I need to depuff these eyes. And so I did that, and then I'm sitting down doing a little makeup. I FaceTime my sister, and then I start getting contractions while on FaceTime, and I'm like, ooh, okay, so this is actually starting.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

I'm like, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Yeah, and Scotty, Scotty is just packing up, grabbing everything. Yeah, I'm getting everything ready, and I'm just taking my dang time. But I felt I don't know why. Birth, I especially even with Aspen, like you're good. I got I got so calm. Like it's almost like an inner peace that I know it's coming, and usually I'm like the biggest panicker. And Scotty's always having to be like, take a breath, calm down, focus, like eyes on the prize.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

I don't say calm down. I'm not allowed to calculate.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Okay, he's not allowed to say calm down.

SPEAKER_04 21:23

I learned you can't say that.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah, you can't say that to a woman. Uh, but like, let's take a breath. Like, he calms me down whenever I'm in panic mode. But for some reason around birth, I just all of a sudden, I just like my body just like is almost like I'm on Xanax. Like, I'm feeling so good.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

You're also funny.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

On in birth?

SPEAKER_04 21:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yeah, he always says that it's the babies inside of me that make me more funny because he, you know, he has some good humor.

SPEAKER_04 21:51

I think we both have good humor. You're funnier right before you give birth, though. It's just like a fuck it mentality.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Yeah, it's just like so fun. It's f I've always said, like, for people who are nervous around birth, it's like the final obstacle before you meet your baby. And it's just like at that point, it's like you just have one last thing to get through. So it's like, I don't know. I just I love it. I it's like a celebration day. I'm not like, oh my gosh, no, I'm like having to go through this thing. It's like more of like, okay, this is the hurdle, and then we're to the other side. And so, yeah, so I get dressed, I put on, okay, this is where I need to give some context to the video because people are hating on my outfit. And I get it. I get it, I looked ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

I didn't think so. I looked, I mean, I just put on the most comfortable clothes you could wear.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Okay, but like I wanted to like be stylin', like first impressions are everything, meeting your baby. So I was initially in like black leggings.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

They're blind at first, right? They can't see, isn't that kind of the thing?

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Yeah, but you know. Okay, I guess you I was in black leggings and I was in like a striped long sweater, and I was I had these like silver pointed like flats out, and I'm like, I'm just gonna throw these on, you know, be a little stylish. And I had a pad in. People keep saying, like, ever heard of putting a pad in when your water breaks. If you experience what I experienced, I had like three tidal waves come out of me, and my pads did not stand a chance. I had the one gush when I got out of bed, and then it was leaking when I was doing my makeup, and then as I went to pick something up off the ground in my leggings, it was another full gush that went through my pad down, like it was like came out like a wave out of my tight leggings, down my my leg. So I had to take those off, and then I grabbed the closest thing I had were these like white pointel um pants, and I just kept the same shoes on, not like thinking of how I looked. I didn't look in the mirror, and so I walk out and then I'm like, oh shit, I need to open these Amazon boxes. Like I ordered things for the nurse, nurses, and I haven't packed gift bags yet. So I just grabbed like a box, I put all the stuff that had arrived, and then I bring it out to the car, and Scotty's just like, what the hell are you doing? Like, we have to go. And I'm like, okay, hold on, I just have to grab a few more things.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Well, we also we needed to ensure someone was coming to watch our other two children, and not to name any names, but our close one of our two of our closest friends, uh Maddie and Alex, had signed up for it. They live four doors down and said they'd leave their phones on loud. They didn't.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

If you're watching this, we're not hating on them.

SPEAKER_04 24:33

Yeah. Um, no, we love them to death. So then we I'm like, we need someone to come, or we just leave the kids here. Either way, but your parents were like on their way, but they're so far away, we need to go to the hospital.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Well, my contractions were then at that point, I was like, oh my gosh, we have to go. Like these are really painful.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

And and get let's let's go, let's go. And that's the first time I noticed the white pants, and I just thought it was an interesting choice given the amount of leakage that I'd seen throughout the house that you've explained. So, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Okay, so then I grabbed a white trash bag to put between my legs because I was like, there's nothing else that's gonna help. Like, I could bring five packs of pads, and that's not gonna help. And so um, Joe and Connor literally, God bless them, were at our house within like six to eight minutes after calling them, and we were already in the car, like ready to take off, and we just flew. And thank God that it's what, like an eight-minute drive to the hospital.

SPEAKER_04 25:34

Yeah, I did I did accidentally put in Waze, though. And usually Waze is great. It it took us down a side path with a bunch of speed bumps. Oh my god, and so that was uh that was a flawed uh drive on my phone. Yeah, so we were going over residential neighborhood, just bump. Yeah, probably help get the baby football.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Potentially, but that's also what made my water gush even more was after a bump, was just like through like my pants, thank God it was on the trash bag. Um, and then we get to the hospital and there's no valet guy, or there's no like parking area because it's like 4 55 in the morning. And so we had to do a few loops, which I'm like, oh my gosh, of course we're doing this, like I'm actually going to die. And so then Scotty's like, screw it, we're just parking in the valet. There's no one around, and he left his car for like an hour there. Yeah, and so we go up, and there I am walking, waddling with this trash bag between my legs. And I was like, for anyone who sees this, it is absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

And that's when I noticed the shoes. No, you notice the shoes at the at uh oh no, yeah, in the air, in the trash bag between your legs, and that's again where I I had the metas come came in handy, and I'm looking up and down, and I'm like, A, my first thought was like, these are like Dorothy shoes from like The Wizard of Oz. And so I almost was gonna talk about like where's the yellow brick road? And I'm just like, those are actually pretty dope. That's a dope move to wear the white pants with the silver, shiny slip slip-ons to birth. I was I was I was trying to give you props.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Oh, thanks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:16

And by the way, I was carrying all of the bags. So you had a bag on your shoulder, and a bunch of people are like, you know, acting. Yeah. I'm like, I'm all about chivalry. I pump the gas.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

But I'm also pretty positive you like asked me to take it, and I was like, no, I have it. Like when you're getting out of the car.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

I tried to grab it off your arm.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Yeah, and I was like, no, no, no, like let's just get inside.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

And so um we walk into the ward, and then I'm like literally like I'm stopping to like with my contractions, and I get to the front and they're like, What can we do for you? I'm like, I'm literally having a baby. And they're like, Are you sure?

unknown 27:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Lady, like, first thing she says, Are you sure? Like, has your water broken? Um, are you having contractions? And I'm like mid-contraction. I'm like, yes, like right now. So then they finally take me back and they literally do a vaginal, what's it called? Uh a cervical check right away. And I'm already five centimeters dilated and like fully in active labor. My contractions are like one or two minutes apart, and they were so they're like, Oh shit, no, you're actually having this baby. And I was like, So I can stay? They're like, Yes.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

And so I was like, fine, that's great, because my car's parked out front.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Yeah. And then so we got there at like 4:55, and at 6 a.m. I was able to get the epidural. It took like a little bit of time, even though it was smooth, but like I was to the point where I was squirming, squeezing Scotty's hand, thought I was gonna break it. I was in so much pain by the end, and just waiting to get it because it takes a little bit of time to be prepped. And with Aspen's birth, um, we had an issue

Water Breaks And The Calm Routine

SPEAKER_01 28:50

where there was only one anesthesiologist, and when I asked for the epidural, he was going in for um an emergency C-section. So I had to labor through minute-apart contractions for like an hour and a half. I was in like another universe, and so it was so painful. I was almost throwing up, I was in so much pain.

SPEAKER_04 29:07

You're trying to leave the hospital to go to a new hospital.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Was I?

SPEAKER_04 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Oh, I don't remember that. I thought I was trying to leave this earth and go to baby.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

We can no, we can't do that. We gotta just wait it out.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Yeah, I remember just saying, I couldn't do this to you, and you're like, you literally don't have a choice.

SPEAKER_04 29:22

You have to take it one contraction at a time. I'm right here.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Um, so then this time, right at the beginning, when I was like, I'm in so much pain, I was like, epidural, please. And I look over at Scott, he's like, hell yeah, like thank you. And so um, thank God we did because the anesthesiologist came and I was able to get it within like 30 minutes. Um, but there were four other women after me that he had to go into an emergency C section. Three of those women had to give birth naturally with no epidural because he couldn't get to them. And one of them, I think he came in like finally an hour and a half or two hours later or something like that. So I am so grateful that that wasn't my story again. And then once I got the epidural, they checked me like every 30 minutes, and then I was the next time they checked, I was eight centimeters, and then 30 minutes later, I was nine centimeters, and then 30 minutes later I was 10. Like it happened so quick that I got the epidural at six, and then by 645, I was already 10 centimeters dilated. And they were like, um, well, your nurse d uh doesn't get on call, or sorry, your OB doesn't get on call till seven. So, like we have a doctor here on call that can deliver your baby right now if you want, or we can wait for your doctor to be on call.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

Dr. Howe.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Dr. Howe, the m biggest angel on earth. Um, and so we waited till seven because I didn't feel any pressure in my butt, which they kept like, are you sure? I'm like, I I don't know why I don't this time. And so they're like, Okay, we can wait. So at seven they called Dr. Howe, and it took her a while to get in, but she walked in the room at 8.10. And then from literally 8.10 to 8.15, I was looking at my my video timeline, and uh Dr. Howe and Scotty, the nurses were like, Scotty wants to deliver, is that okay? And she's like, Yes. So they're both suiting up, and um, and Scotty also helped deliver aspen, but it was a lot more guided. I'll let him dis uh explain all of this. But they took five minutes to suit up, and I started pushing at 8 15. You want to tell your side of the story?

SPEAKER_04 31:32

My side? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I didn't know if they were gonna let me.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Um some doctors don't. Yeah, I don't know if that's like normal or not. But here, I don't know if she's gonna want anymore. Dr. Howe was awesome, and she was like, Yes, you can. So they got me in the scrubs. They made sure I was like gloved up and everything was sanitary, and then I got, you know, got down there, got ready. Um Dr. Howe.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

If that's not love.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Oh, it's big time love. Um, they we also put a mirror on the other side so that Taylor could see.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Okay, I have to talk about this mirror really quick because when they said do you want a mirror, I thought it was like a handheld mirror that someone was just gonna be like holding it down there for me to see.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

No, it was like a full body mirror.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

It's like a full length, floor length on wheels, body mirror, and I was like, Oh my gosh, you don't miss anything in that mirror.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

It was a little jolting.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

So I was down there, and the first thing I saw was her huge head of hair start to come out. And Dr. Howe was guiding me, guiding me through it. I think the first time with Aspen, the doctor, Dr. Mercy was more like hands on my hands, whereas Dr. Howe was like really letting me She was off to the side. She was off to the side, but like instructing me on how to do it, and then there was one moment where I didn't panic, but I was like, man, didn't do like this is a huge uh thing. She's like, Okay, we don't want her to tear, so you need to have like basically put your hands in a diamond and hold it together. I'm like, that's a huge responsibility, potentially even bigger than delivering this child, but I'm I'm you know, then I kind of like she's like, reach under her shoulder, and so I got under her shoulder, and then I didn't pull at all. Okay, this is all you, and then the you pushed the shoulder out, and then everything kind of came. She was much slippier, like more slippery than I thought. Um felt like trying to like catch a uh wild trout, or like a dolphin, a dolphin is a better better analogy. So I was kind of looking at Dr. Howell and she's like, You got it? Like, I'm like, so I got it.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

And I'm just looking between my legs at Scotty. Well, we're gonna have we have to backtrack a little. So my uh we started pushing around like 815, 816, and I did one big push, and I could the someone like moved the mirror so like I couldn't fully see yet, and I did a push, and then I felt like a boop, like something, and I I remember saying something just came out and the nurses and and the doctor were like, Oh, that's her head, and then I just like stop pushing for a second because they tell me to rest, and then they're like, Okay, one more push, and then they put the mirror in there, and I'm like, Oh, I see her, and then I do one big push, and her whole body just comes out and like flops into Scotty's hands, and he's kind of like juggling this baby.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

And I'm like, It was more so just her head came out first.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

The first push, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Yeah, but it was her whole head. Okay, and that was the only thing visible, and I'm like sticking out of my vehiene. Yes, and then Dr. Howe did come in, and then she checked around her neck to ensure that the umbilical cord wasn't around it and cleared that. So thank you, Dr. Howe, for doing that. Um, and then the baby's head kind of went back in. You stopped pushing.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Did it?

SPEAKER_04 34:43

Yeah, and then the next push was like full boom. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Yeah, so that's when I saw, and then I literally saw her fully come out, which was crazy, and then into Scotty's hand, and then through my legs, I'm just watching him like, holy shit, like living this crazy experience in between my legs. And then she immediately cried, and it was just, and then oh, it was just And then I handed her over to you. Yeah, and it was just like so cool, so fast, so seamless. And then Dr. Howe's like, You didn't tear. I'm like, What? I didn't tear? Because it was so fast, I just assumed maybe that I would tear a bit, and I guess Scotty's to thank for that too, for holding it down for me.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

Um And we gotta thank Taylor Swift for coming out with the nine-minute version of All Too Well.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

Yes, because that was she was born to that same Aspen

The Drive In And Hospital Intake

SPEAKER_01 35:30

was we were prepping for Aspen's birth for to that song, too.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

So we needed all nine minutes.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yes, we needed those nine minutes for sure. Um, and then it was funny, I look back at the video and in the moment I didn't notice, but I need to make like a compilation of this where you don't see Scotty, but you just see me pushing, and then you hear all the nurses being like, Good job, dad, good job, dad, like as Scarlet comes out, and I'm like re-watching this, like, wait, what? I just did all of this work, and of course, dad is getting the praise, and then Scotty's loving it, so he like comes into the top, like to like see me and her, and he's like, Thank you, thank you very much, thank you, like loving the praise and attention.

SPEAKER_04 36:07

I don't love either of those things.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

But it was just funny, it was one of those moments I'm like, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 36:13

There's just respect amongst amongst doctors.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Um, but no, it was just like such an didn't one and one of the nurses asked you a question. Oh my gosh. Before I started pushing, the like actual baby nurse or whatever they're called that check their vitals as they're on your chest. She was so sweet. Um, she looks at me, and while Scotty's like literally getting ready down below, and she goes, Is he a doctor? I was like, What? No, he's not a doctor. What are you talking about? She's like, Oh, he just looks like really serious and ready to deliver. I was like, Yeah, no, no, no. He's just, you know, eyes on the prize in the zone, ready to uh method acting. Yes, he was method acting. It was hilarious. He's absolutely not a doctor. It was his second time doing it. Um but yeah, that was really funny. And then we got to do golden hour. We I asked part of my preference was to uh delay core cord clamping until she received all of her blood from it. But I guess the cord started to break after a minute or so. So they had to stop that and get my placenta out. Um in the moment, I like I was not even panicking or like registering, like, oh shoot, this could be an issue. Um, and I, you know, that was one thing. I'm like, darn, I wish she got more of her own blood back, but things happen for a reason and she's here and she's happy. She was, you guys, she was seven pounds ten ounces at 38 weeks three days. Bash at 38 weeks was six pounds three ounces, and Aspen was 39 weeks four days, and six ten. So Scarlett was born a week earlier than Aspen and weighed a an entire pound more and uh just so much bigger, but then she's also still like she's not even at her birth weight yet. So she's she's petite now, still like she's still a little itty girl. Um but yeah, and honestly, I have to say, like after I gave birth, I was I had so much pep in my step, even though I couldn't stand yet, but I felt 100% fine. Like I could have walked down the hall an hour later, my epidural was gone. I didn't feel I I felt perfectly fine, like nothing ever happened. And I know that's a luxury. A lot of people don't, and in the past I've not felt that way, but that was one of the things. This time it was like such a redemptive birth that I got to, you know, everything felt so smooth and so easy, and a lot of it's probably from having a third baby.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

And she was healthy, and she was healthy, but Aspen's and Bill cord ruptured. Yeah. She had the breathing thing.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

The whole NICU team had to come in. So there's like a little panic in that. We earned it, I feel like we earned that smooth experience.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

You did great.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

And so, yeah, like our both of our sets of our parents came after. They're like, How did you just give birth? Like, you look fine. I'm like, I feel fine. Like, I it was crazy that I was like, I wish we could just leave now because I'm ready to go home, but you have to wait 24 hours. And then, yeah, we only spent the night one night in the hospital, and then we were home by noon the next day. We wanted to get back to Aspen and Bash. Um, they spent the night at my parents. Um, we toyed with the idea of them coming to the hospital, but I think our biggest concern was Bash being like, what the heck? And then him having to leave us and get really emotional and sad and feel like we abandoned him and just have this other baby.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

So then vendetta against this new child.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Yes. So I know someone asked in the last episode, like, are are they gonna come to the hospital or at home? But since it was just we decided to leave after one day that we were like, you know what, we'll just wait till we get home. And oh, another thing, I forgot my toiletry bag, my entire toiletry bag, at home. It was the one thing I left somewhere in the shuffle of getting to the hospital. So I had nothing, so I didn't even shower at the hospital. So I packed all of my stuff and half of it I didn't even use. Um, so that was kind of a flop, but I did take the best shower when I got home, and oh, I felt like a new human. And then the kids met her. We need to talk about that. That was so sweet.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Very cute.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

And we uh we did it on this bed exactly right here, and they always say, like, don't have the baby in your arms, have them laying down somewhere. So we had her in her little lounger, and we had gifts from baby to each kid of their favorite things. Aspen got like a cute little tea set, and Bash got a dinosaur like track thing, and he loves dinosaurs, so they were both like blown away. They're like, baby got this for us, and they were playing with it for hours after, so that really helped. And I was surprised by how much Bash registered actually registered that there was a baby coming. Like you can tell him so much of like, Oh, there's a baby in my tummy, and this and that, but he was like, Oh, baby, baby was in mama's tummy. Like, he knew that this baby was in my tummy before. Where before you're like, Oh, I don't know if they're just like saying certain things. So we I mean it was pretty smooth.

SPEAKER_02 41:27

Very smooth. Like, thank God.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

And it's been almost two weeks, and I mean Aspen's been so in love with her little sister, almost too in love, where she'll like smother her or you know, shove a pacifier in her mouth, or

Epidural Timing And Rapid Dilation

SPEAKER_01 41:40

thinks it's her baby. Well, like I'll turn around at school and she'll be the stroller will be like down the block of the classrooms. She's just like taking the baby on a walk. Um, and then Bash has been really good. The first time he saw her, he like comes up close to her, and I'm like, oh no, what is he gonna do? Is he gonna hit her? And he just goes boop and boops her on the nose.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

So good.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

The very first interaction he ever had. I know. I'm like, that's kind of what's the word I'm looking for. Um uh gosh, I can't I can't think. But just like showing that he's older, like he's I thought it was charming. No, it was so endearing, it was so cute, but I was just like boop. Um I guess for how we did put in some work with preparing both of the kids for a sibling with the transition. I didn't not so much Aspen because she fully knew, she fully embraced it from the second she found out I was pregnant. Um, but obviously, like we knew she'd probably have a little bit of a hard time with the transition of just like, you know, the new addition and eyes not on them as much. She is very emotional. So I think it was the second night we had a little bit of like a a meltdown from her, which is you know normal. It was more not like a jealousy breakdown, it was more of just like well, what about me? Like she started kind of trying to act like a baby, and she was saying that she wanted a bottle. And I think part of it was to like mess with us a little bit, like reverse psychology.

SPEAKER_04 43:08

And then we're like, okay, so baby sleeps every two hours, so you're gonna start sleeping every two hours. She's like, Never mind, I'm I'm four.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

So she had a little bit of a meltdown where she needed some extra love and cuddles, and we both talked to her separately at bedtime about like how she was feeling, and we named the feelings and we talked through them and just talked about how it doesn't mean we love her any less or don't have enough time, and if she's ever feeling sad or not loved enough to come let us know, and we'll give her lots of loves and hugs, and we'll talk through it. And honestly, after that, she was like so um responsive to that.

SPEAKER_04 43:44

Totally. And she came up to me the next day and she said, I love you, Dada. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like that she totally understood it and she loves me, and then she gave me a big hug, and then she said, Will you take me to get ice cream tomorrow?

SPEAKER_01 44:00

And I'm like, She's been milking it a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Yeah, she totally has. I'm like, good move, sister. Good move.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

So then with Bash, I definitely put in a little more work with preparing him for a sibling just because I was so nervous that he was for context, he has been attached to my body since the day I gave birth to him. And he doesn't let anyone else do anything for him if I'm around. Like he won't let Scotty change his diaper, get him dressed, make him food. Nothing. If I'm gone, he's totally fine with anyone, but if I'm there, he wants nothing to do with anyone else, which has been a little difficult. So we're a little nervous about that transition. We're making this work if you're watching. I'm holding two mics so Scotty can feed Scarlet to get through this episode. We're, you know, multitasking. So in order to kind of prep him from the very beginning, I think we were just talking about baby a lot and getting him to like bond with my stomach. If he ever was into it, he would slap my stomach and say, I don't like baby sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 45:01

But yeah, so rude. I'm like, you haven't even met baby.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Um, and then I ended up buying him a baby doll, like a blue boy baby doll, which at first he like wasn't into, but then when we got the stroller, he was so obsessed he would sleep with the baby every single night. He would put the pacifier in the baby's mouth. So I'm like, okay, we're on to something here, like that really helped. And then I got him a big brother book. And then I think just talking and like about how life was going to be with the baby there, so it wasn't as much of a shock. Like him helping me put the diapers in the nursery and prepping the nursery and being like, This is where baby's gonna sleep, and just positive talk on you know, saying how proud we are that he's gonna be a big brother and his responsibilities and making him feel just really good about the transition. Is there anything else that we did?

SPEAKER_04 45:52

No.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Besides the gifts, the gifts definitely You also did all that. Well, yeah, but you know, we say we.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

United front. Um good. But yeah, I think the gift bags from day one, they were just so excited. And he was like, baby, got me this. Like, it was just such a good start to the day of like being a family of five for the first time, and then we've had some family of five outings. We had her on Tuesday, we got home at on Wednesday, and Saturday, the five of us plus our babysitter Maddie, who's like our oldest daughter. Um, we all went to Aspen Soccer Game. We've done that the past two Saturdays, which has been relatively smooth. I didn't think we'd be out and about doing things so quickly, but it's been like so sweet. And what else? Yeah, I just feel honestly, like when people talk about the transition, I know it's only been two weeks, but it's felt like the same level of hard. And I think if anything's ever hard, it's more of like the older two kids fighting or you know, talking back to us or just being like, you know, toddlers. And so I was telling Scotty the other day when we were driving, I'm like, it's honestly been shocking. Like, she hasn't been a problem. It's just been like managing the other two being crazy, or like if we're not out, if we don't go outside early early enough in the day, and they're just like they're getting uh what's the word? Stir crazy inside the house. Yeah, and then they're just like bouncing around from every room, just like fucking shit up and like throwing stuff like they're doing arts and crafts and painting the floor, and then they go to Aspen's room and they flip the ball pit, and then they like get into my shoes and pull them off out of the closet and all the things. Somehow their stuff has landed in every single room every single day. It's like we go to

Scotty Helps Catch The Baby

SPEAKER_01 47:40

bed with every room being relatively clean, and then we wake up and within an hour every room is somehow messy again. And so that's been like the hardest part, but I'm I th I was a little more concerned with how they'd react and just having to divide love and attention and affection. And so far, like I feel like we're doing a really great job.

SPEAKER_04 48:02

We are. Yeah. I'm proud of us.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

And it feels right.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Yeah. So I mean This is it. But this is it.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

This is the last one.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

Well, is it?

SPEAKER_04 48:12

It is.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

It's funny, I don't know what it is. Like the middle child or the second child for us made us swear we were done having kids. After Bash, we're like, we can't have any more. Like, this is we're in over our heads. And then here comes Scarlett, and then I was telling Scotty the other day, I think after like a cocktail, I'm like, I could have one more. Like, she just makes you want to have another.

SPEAKER_04 48:36

I'm like, you should just have another cocktail instead.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

She's just like so perfect and just completely rounds out our family. And somehow the kids have been better behaved since she's been here. And I don't know how, but I'm not gonna question it. And Bash, especially, like I'm so proud of him, and he's just been so pleasant and so much more independent where I'll walk by, and instead of him crying and trying to crawl up my leg, he's just like, oh hey, mama, and walks by. I'm like, oh my gosh, like our umbilical cord is getting longer and longer. Like we're we're we're gonna survive this. So I'm just he's it's brought out so much more independence and like confidence in him, and he's just bopping around and doing his thing a little bit more than like being attached to me, which has been really nice. Um so yeah, I mean, I think that's it with our birth story and just kind of the first early couple weeks as a family of five. I'll talk more about we'll do like a QA on labor, birth, whatever you guys want to know, or questions you have, um, and then kind of the first couple weeks of like postpartum and newborn life um in the next episode. So hopefully you guys enjoyed this. Um, and I'll talk to you guys next week. Thanks for my thanks to my special guests, Scarlett and Scotty, for being here. Any final words?

SPEAKER_04 49:59

I'm proud of you.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

I love you. Um she's perfect. No more.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

I'm very proud of us. It's it's been honestly like it feels too good to be true. Like it's almost like you know, when people say, like, if it feels too good to be true, it's too good to be true. Like, I'm like, oh, it feels so good to be true, but like in like in a good way, like it is it's our she's the perfect, you know, way to round out our family. She is. It was such a great way to just like it felt like a closing chapter. But who knows, maybe a force out there. I don't know. My dad, my dad, uh, two days ago was like, so Scotty's vasectomy, when's that happening?

SPEAKER_04 50:42

Like I almost did it while you were giving birth, but I obviously had I was needed.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Yes, he was needed. I was like, you're not going under the knife or scalpel or whatever that is and using it as an excuse. I need you. Um she poop.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

No.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

No. Anyways, love you guys so much. Hope you enjoyed the episode. Message me with any questions, and we'll talk to you next week.

SPEAKER_04 51:04

Thanks, Connor and Joe.