The Unmentionable C-Word

  We are sick of talking about AFL teams beginning with C, especially those with an "n" and a "t" in them.  So we do our best to talk about other things leading into Gather Round

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:15

We have to remember if we're going to dance along and stuff, if we do keep putting these on YouTube now, people can see us.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

Well, that's true. I I sort of thought of that as I was dancing.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

We had um put it on on uh YouTube and I've been looking at the um the stats and you know the comments and likes and things, and I liked it. Um and as of half an hour ago, we've had zero views and one like. So I'm the only person that went and had a look. I don't know what a view it must no, no, actually, no, there's sorry, there were a few more views, so it must have counted my view.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

But no comments on any one like oh nothing. Oh, that's just how disappointing is that. So you you're saying we probably shouldn't commercialise the pointless podcast quite yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

I think it's um uh it may show that we've got good heads for radio, as they say.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Do you know what we should do, as we have done previously, is do us as babies.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

I know that's another great.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

I know the the software is a bit hard, so it's hard to do it for the whole sort of 45 to 60 minutes. But having said that, everyone I showed it to, which was a lot of people, thought it was epically good. It didn't care what we were saying. It was just even better.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

And I think we did it for the grand final one, didn't we? And promoted it. That that was that is our record uh listened to episode. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

Won't give it out the numbers just in case makes people too excited. I feel the bar is a bit low in that regard.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

But anyway, I have uh I have a theory for so we we we really can't keep talking about the well, I'm gonna refer to it as the C word.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

It's got a C in it, it's got an N and a T.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

So uh giving this much thought today, uh it's the C word now.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

So we can I actually think there are a few C words that we should not use. The obvious C-word we shouldn't use. But there's at least four other C words we should not use. We should not we should not talk about it is podcast. So the first C-word is obviously we should not not talk about Carlton.

SPEAKER_04 2:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

But then I kept thinking, I thought, well, we probably shouldn't talk about coach either.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Good point.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

Right. And then and then I kept thinking, and I thought, well, there's a few others I think we shouldn't talk about or mention. One is capitulation.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

We probably shouldn't mention that.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Um I'm glad we're not mentioning all these things.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

And we definitely shouldn't mention comeback. Well, there's the least four well, but possibly five C words that we shouldn't use.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

I can think of another C-word we shouldn't ever mention. Yes. Uh and it uh you may know it from we don't have to say the word.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

Well moving, I I just thought because I have a a uh obviously a colonial reference I'd like to talk about, but um the C already the title of this particular episode is coming to mind, which is the unmentionable C-word. But there are so many like there's no you in Carlton.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

I yeah, correct, correct exactly right. There's no I either. Um there's no team. Is there anything back to you?

SPEAKER_03 4:04

I was gonna say is there anything in Carlton? Are we found?

SPEAKER_02 4:08

There's no me, there's no I, there's no you.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

There's nothing. There's nothing at Carlton. There's like no O. Like O. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Oh my god. Ah, there's an A R. I always go.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Uh we're getting half time again. You could rebrand without vowels. So you'd be Clinton.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Actually, that it's interesting because there is an O. It's like, oh uh and and Collingwood's got a ooh. Collingwood.

SPEAKER_03 4:44

At least we've got an ooh. Yes, indeed. Yeah, what was the other thing? And all jokes aside, but I'll talk because you you just probably can't speak about after Good Friday. That was a whole new level of what I did discuss it with my lovely partner who said that we should probably stop watching Carlton because that means we're probably now participating in psychological trauma.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

And it's a very fair call.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Talking to the kids over the weekend, and they're both like, what? We have to play again on a Thursday night next this week, the start of Gatheram when the whole world is actually physically there watching the game, not just on TV, the whole footy world. Uh, and then we have to back it up and play U Lot the following week on Thursday night primetime. Can't we just play at 1.15 on Sunday or something?

SPEAKER_03 5:36

I must say I'm gonna I'm gonna as much as I can't stand Carlton and then you know, thank God they're losing. But having said that, yeah, I'm gonna blame the the draw. Like you had a five-day break into Good Friday after on the back of and then now you've got a six-day break and you have to go to Adelaide to gather around everybody. And you've got a who you got you have to play um Adelaide in Adelaide at gather around, right? Yeah, not only that, but now Weedering's out. Yeah. Harry Dean's out, and and you the other boy got suspended. So it's gonna be like you're gonna be sending over my mum to play his center back.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Yeah, well, I I they asked me to go, but I can't afford the diesel, so I I can't I can't go. So I said, no, sorry. Can I do it? Can I work from home? So I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

I think you'd be probably better off playing from that. But uh speaking of which, I got this. I wanted to float a theory or a sort of a concept with you. Okay. You know what? The NSL has these rules now where like that there's lightning or there's lightning within a certain area, you know, you you've got to stop. You're saying you go off the ground and and you can't play again until that lightning goes away. Right. Yep. Um I think that if Nick Dacos is injured or can't play before the game, I think we should reschedule the game. That is a very fair concept. Most people have turned up to see Nick. Yeah. Yeah, everyone and Collingwood obviously is useless without Nick. So can't you?

SPEAKER_02 7:15

I think that's right. There's nothing to see if he's not there.

SPEAKER_03 7:16

So, like we just see here. Sorry, yeah, we're rescheduling. How bad would that be? It's just like, remember, was it last year when there were floods in Queensland? Everybody's like, well, obviously, they put the whole round off, yeah. They they they postponed the entire round and played it again during the bye round. Or no, they played it during that that ridiculous day off they have between the end of the season and the finals, right? Well, can't we do that? Can't we just say look, Nick, Nick's available in the last weekend of September?

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Let's play them. Yeah, yeah. I think it's a great concept.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Well, the commentators will be happy because all they can talk about is it is Dacos. Are there any other players for Collingwood? This Pendleby was out too, wasn't he? So it's basically no try to not no Pendleby, no Dacos. What's the point?

SPEAKER_03 8:09

I sort of have a few. I have one particular friend who um will always, literally always text me if they're losing.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

And if they're winning, winning by a reasonable margin, never get a text. So I can almost set my my expectation. And I didn't realize I got a few, but nothing. And then I looked at the score and oh, geez, that's ugly.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

It's a bit of a shelling.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

But apparently, it was a shellacking. But um, it was a good old, what does I say? Good old fashioned, good old-fashioned belting, you know. Belting in the old days where they give you a decent belting, you know? Belting, yeah. Like the nuns also uh St. Mark's went to primary school. We weren't the only ones. Can I just say some of these games are beyond one-sided? Yeah, yeah. Like, I think Collingwood just had a bad game and put it down to the fact that you know if your best player and the best player in the league disappears a minute before they bounce the ball, it's not ideal. But um what about West Coast? What West Coast and Sydney?

SPEAKER_02 9:14

I tipped West Coast. I had a feeling that you know they're starting to come good. Sydney could be a bit shaky, they've you know, they think they're better than they really are. Uh, but actually, that's not true. They are as good as they think they are. Well, they certainly were last week.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Like it was just like the vet, you know that that they say there was you know they were witches' hats. They were basically red and white, and that was that was it.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah, yeah. Nothing that you know, it's it's as my I don't think this year so far, and it's it is um as Michael Voss says, it's a small sample size so far. He said that he's Michael. Sorry, but that is there's a lot to like. Let's face it, there was a lot to like about the game. That's his other favourite line. Anyway, uh the uh based on the small sample size, though it's good to see it's I don't think it's as bad as last year. So West Coast have had a couple of green shoots. So they've looked you know pretty good. Yeah, they beat someone last week, didn't they? And someone else. They had a couple of wins.

SPEAKER_03 10:17

Did they not? Did they they no they did they beat Port Adelaide in in Adelaide?

SPEAKER_02 10:21

In Adelaide, yeah. Is that right? Yeah, so and then North have uh beaten one of the premiership favourites last week on uh uh Good Friday. Um but North are fifth on the ladder. So you know North's North's starting to come good. Um I mean they there's just different disaster teams, I think. But although having said that, even Essen showed a bit of something.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Yeah, but in my defense, uh Essington versus um the Bulldogs. The Bulldogs played the first quarter, right? And they were six to seven goals up at like literally I played a quarter at halfway through, or a bit a bit more than halfway through the second quarter, they were nine goals ahead, right? And they've literally just decided that they're not playing the rest of the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

And Eshington got a couple of kind of whatever, but like they were so I'm just I'm looking for I'm looking for positives here, Martin. I'm a glass half full sort of guy, you know that.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Are you?

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Yeah, just look at that.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Your glasses, in fact, more than half full. Um that would have been somewhat ironic if your glass was empty. But uh well, I'm not really sure. I'm not but no, I'm I'm West Coast game was I'm putting my hand up here to say that it's it's it's starting to come back.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

But you you know, there are a lot of teams, there are a lot of uh young teams, especially that just go really bad one day. And so I'm hoping that was what happened to West Coast, and they're actually they are actually starting to to show something.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

I'm again yes, it's probably yeah, what do they say? Growth um re what do they call it? Rebuilds. Rebuilds as a thing. Oh, rebuilds rebuilds are not um linear.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah, okay. So you're gonna have a good one, and then a linear a non-linear rebuild.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

Uh a non-linear rebuild.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

But it was it the what one thing, the other thing that kind of amuses me about the Simi West the West Coast game is if you look at the worm, you know, the on the AFL, and again, we have mentioned this, but do not look at the worm if you lose a losing because it's uh diabolical. But the worm is like it's very actually it's actually the worm is they kick so many goals and points, Sydney, that it's almost impossible to see the goals that West Coast kicked because the worm is so so many so. I didn't see that in my goal, did they actually kick anything? They only kick four goals for the whole game. Yeah, yeah. For the whole game.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Let's let's um let's talk about a different coast. So going off to my favourites. Um so yeah, they uh did you hear about the kick in the nuts? That was uh you mean Michael Voss or So Hardwick's quote in the in the press conference afterwards was that the mid he was pretty angry about the midfield, um, and he said they gave us a kick in the nuts. Oh, I did not hear. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh the other person we won't name with. Did he actually write it? No, sorry, yeah. Um uh yeah, so kick in the nuts, uh, gave us a kick in the nuts. And I thought poor Matt Row, uh our mate, great friend of the show, um, he's just come back from a broken finger and then he gets a kick in the nuts. I mean, it's like and they're supposed to bounce back this week against Sydney. Um how how long does it take you to get to bounce back from a kick in the nuts, Martin? You you must have been kicked in the nuts a few times in your life.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Well, that's true. Um 1979 was a kick in the nuts.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

For those for those who remember 97.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Um there was a few years around that year where I was a young man getting kicked in the nuts quite a lot.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

Um I didn't realise you used that terminology. Kick in the nuts. Yes. Um, how long does it take? Well, I reckon it takes surely it's not gonna take him more than a week to get over a kick in the nuts, surely.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

You just gotta what did your your mate Rao, did he did he? No, he had a bit of a shocker. But he he first came back for the season, and uh since the game we all love, uh the uh state of origin, um broke his finger or hand or wrist or something.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Can I just say uh that like in the some of the like just looking at the I was looking down the list of the Gold Coast players trying to find Mr. Raoul, but geez, he's a bit low. Yeah. Um did he actually play? Oh, he did play, yeah. He did.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

Yeah, I watched a bit, but he was yeah, it was very it was a terrible day for them.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

I think uh you just couldn't help thinking that Jared Wits, former collego player, just quite who I think is playing pretty well for Gold Coast. But Jared Wits, he'd name his nickname would have to be F, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_00 15:46

F wits or half Harvey, Harvey, call him Harvey Half, hey Harvey, half oh dear.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Yes, yes, a few good uh few ex-Collingwood players doing alright at the moment, actually. That's um uh it's a young man called MyCek that seems seemed to be uh doing alright at Melbourne.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

Yeah, but the the the problem with that is good. I I I'll give him due credit because he couldn't have possibly got paid that money at Collingwood. Do you know what I mean? He only got six touches on the weekend. But I think my cheek, but he kicked two. But I think what happens is that he he does all of the the hard stuff, so they say, does all the bulleting work anyway? Yeah, I just got I did don't look at the worm, don't look at other players that have left your club. Just don't look what about speaking of which, what about all of the I can't mention the C-word. I don't know. The C-word players that uh are doing well. Kennedy at the Bulldogs?

SPEAKER_02 16:55

God just the others aren't doing so well. Like Kerner's doing pretty much exactly what he did with us. Sort of the first ten first ten minutes. Um in the first half again, I think, and uh presents, and then when it gets serious, he just goes missing.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

It does appear, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_02 17:20

I didn't hear anything about Sylvani and decoding on the weekend. You know, that's they're hopeless, it's a killer, and then I realised they actually had a buy. So it's a bit rough unfair. But yeah, I don't think they've covered themselves in glory yet either. But so that's a case of no, they haven't. Um I was also looking at the um sorry, you're gonna say no, I was just gonna say good on I I don't sort of bear them any ill will because uh especially decoding. I mean, how could you not how could you not take that deal? Crazy deal.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

So um I know you have to I was looking I was also looking at the at the ladder. The ladder's fascinating now, right? As we have talked about, the ladder is honestly you need a degree in um metaphysics to understand the ladder now. But but what fascinates me is that metaphysics or or quantum physics?

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Metaphysical is like some sort of spiritual thing or something.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

Well exactly uh it's more spiritual than it is fact because the spiritual ladder. So Mel Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Brisbane, and Collingwood are all in the toilet.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Melbourne put oh, they're in the little special special zone.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

They're in the toilet, the water closet.

unknown 18:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

The WC. Whatever you see.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Scott doesn't like that. No, he made a comment during the week, too.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

He doesn't like the the water the toilet. The WC, yeah. Well, I'm not sure I'm not sure. But having said that though, right now, Colin is in the toilet. We're in the we're in the finals. We're 10. Right? Yeah. Um how can Melbourne have won three games? How does that work? But but they are in the water closet. We we play Melbourne at the MCG in in the uh what do they call that? The the the toilet round of the finals.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

So you can get flushed away.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

Yes, correct. I mean and but even better than that, Brisbane would have to play Port Adelaide in in Port Adelaide. That is the most ridiculous game of football. Brisbane right now would win that by about 103 goals, I reckon.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

But you could just you could just see what's gonna happen as it gets closer. I mean, already it's the people are starting to talk about it, but um wait till it's like two or three rounds out, and then you get some serious sides that uh that are caught on seventh or something, seventh or eighth. Oh, it's gonna be fascinating. And and yeah, have to play. I think they're gonna go nuts. People like so Chris Scott apparently came out and said something about it's just a money-grabbing thing, it's stupid. Or I don't know what his actual quote was, but it was to the extent that Andrew Dylan got asked about it today when he got to Adelaide and he was talking it down and said, Oh no, I've had a I've had a chat with with Scotty. We're all we're he's one of my closest friends, and you know, oh we're all good now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

We're all mates, we're all mates here. You know, but you know, but Chris Scott's only pissed off because he's 11th, which is the new ninth. Right. So he's just annoyed by that. But the bottom, the the the the the sub toilet teams, uh like it's some interesting teams in there. If you think I know it's only early days and the drawers really rigged and all that kind of stuff, but like the cats, the cats are in there, the the crows are in there, St Kilda, which is the biggest pre-season beat up of all time. Uh the the Colton Colton's in there. Um GWS.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Oh, there's a lot of teams in there that you You'd have to say, well, they're in the uh they're in the is it called the S tube, the S pipe. Yeah. I mean if you're below the toilet, you're below the WC.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

You're in the you're in the uh in the S bend you're in the sewerage or the S bend you're in the plumbing down there.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

In the plumbing.

unknown 21:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

What are you if you're if you're above the toilet? What are you? The system.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

You're an arse.

SPEAKER_03 21:27

Well, it's above the sort of got above above toilet teams, toilet teams and bullet and sub-toilet teams. Yeah. You wouldn't want to be a subtoilet team, would you? That's not great.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

No, no. S Bend team, I like that. Um speaking of ladders, my ladder uh is the pointless ladder's looking good. So Hawthorne's on top. Melbourne has shot to second on the ladder. Oh, because I bet the sound is going to be over the Girl Coast. Yeah. So uh that's Very exciting. All the Melbourne fans listening. So Hawthorne Melbourne, Bulldogs a third. So the problem is that with the ladder, uh very serious problem if you're playing on this ladder. Uh just to remind everybody, this is if you beat the team that's above you, a team that's above you, you take their place. But if you don't play anybody that's above you, uh then you can't go up. So you so the Bulldogs are playing really well, but until they play Melbourne or Hawthorne now, then they can't go higher.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

They can only go down. I love this. Oh DM me. Who we um Well we could go up. Yeah, we're playing free up. Who are you playing? Fremantle.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Yeah, well, yeah, this is this is where it comes into a bit of contention because they're seventh on my ladder. So oh no, you get you can't. Yeah, I know, I know. But you can't just change every week because then it becomes meaningless. No, no, it doesn't matter. This is the debate we have to have all season.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

It becomes even more meaningful if you use the actual ladder and you reset every week because then it becomes actually real.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

But it only means it's one week's worth. So I think we I think the answer is you should do both.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

No, no, no. Only one week, one week at a time. Because then but it becomes really real. Imagine at the end of the year, if we're using your ridiculous ladder, no one's gonna know what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

No, exactly. That's the that's the idea.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Oh god. Um yeah, the the ladder is um it's interesting. North of Melbourne is fifth. I know.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Top five team.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

How good is that? What about um I did watch a bit of the Easter Monday? The other thing that you I did realize over the Easter weekend is it's it's the traditional Easter weekend. So I apparently I from what I heard, so Collingwood Brisbane apparently is now the traditional th Easter Thursday clash. Right? Um they were um they were also when I was watching the uh the game against North Melbourne and um the Seaword that we're not mentioning. Yeah. Um that was apparently the what do they call it? The the like super clash Good Friday. Super clash. Super clash against the worst team in all like that against the the capitulators versus the the uh pretend um the pretenders, yeah. Um but then out we go. And then then apparently uh Easter Monday is now the traditional uh Geelong Hawthorne blockbuster.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Oh yeah, okay. Is there a definition of what does a game have to get to to be a blockbuster? Like how do you know it is going to block going to bust blocks?

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Bust blocks. Yeah. It's a very good question, actually. I'm not quite sure. Sure that's a definition of blockbuster.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Yeah, but I think we should do a bit of research on that. What is a blockbuster?

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Oh, I think I think two highly rated teams playing in front of a big crowd, that would be my big crowd comes into it. Yeah, because I you can't you can't have two highly rated teams playing in front of three and a half people. That just does nothing.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Okay, well, so so this is one to look out for. So I think the game of the round coming up is uh Sydney versus Gold Coast uh at Norwood Oval 4 15 on Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Norwood Oval?

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Norwood Oval. Uh in Norwood. So I mean this gather around, so they all play at strange places, but they oh yeah, there's two. That'll be a really good game. That'll be a great game. So I reckon that's the best game of the round. And uh it'll be really interesting to see how they go at a non-home venue uh and see what happens. Uh and there won't be that many people, although there probably will be because everybody's over there and they'll all go to different games. But there's actually three games on on Saturday afternoon. There's like one at 115 and 315 or something like that. So there will be a game that overlaps with that. So if you're there in Adelaide, you can't go to every match. No, you can't, which is a kind of a weird thing. I don't really get that.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

But they couldn't, but I suppose there's just too many to yeah. I was gonna say there's too many. I do love it though. So they start Thursday and Friday night, both the Adelaide. Oh Thursday night Adelaide versus we can't we can't say the word. Uh yeah, you have got buckle getting anywhere near that. But anyway, um but then Friday uh Collingwood Frio, that'll be a half-decent game if you're an Adelaide person. But then it gets weird, right? So north of Melbourne playing the Lions, the the Bears, at Barossa Park in Lindock.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

I know, yes. Where is those rolls?

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Well I'll be turning up there.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Where's uh at Barossa Park? They will that we had straight off the vines.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

Oh, yeah, there'll be more uh boot what do they call it? Um tailgate picnics there.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:32

Yeah, but yeah, no North Melbourne and Brisbane supporters don't really strike me as people who would have a a picnic at the back of your car.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Actually, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

They should they should schedule the games based on yeah, the the the type of if they're gonna if they're gonna play it uh Barossa Park in Lindock, it should have been sort of Melbourne versus sort of have to be Melbourne, right? Melbourne versus Adelaide or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Get up in your Port Adelaide, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

Oh no, no, no, no, no. You want to drink lots of red. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

I think Melbourne Adelaide at Barossa Park would have been fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Sydney, Sydney, maybe they they don't mind uh although they're probably more into uh cocktails and uh Aperol spritzers and things like that in Sydney. Oh man, that's something a bit more flash and sitting on the harbour watching the sunset and hello darling.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Um Adelaide Carlton or the Adelaide Well, there'd be a couple bit of see that that they would call that a blockbuster, right? That's thirteenth versus fifteenth. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

And again, like Adelaide will smash us to pieces because they do they they've they've lost three. Uh they're three and one and three or something, like we are, but they've lost, they've had the worst draw ever, and they've lost to everyone by uh they've been feathered uh by everyone. They have and uh and so yeah, so they will just be coming out snarling.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Or they will they will that will be don't think we'll be ahead at half time.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Here's a little prediction for me.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Surely that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

It is, yeah. So I I'm gonna relax when I'm watching it tomorrow night because I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

You must say on I must say on Friday watching uh with my son. I was intrigued with a and then you were nearly ahead, and then you did a stupid thing and kicked the goal before half time to be ahead of halftime. That's right, yeah. Why would you do that? That's just whoever did that should be just taken out and never play again. Go away.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

There's a rule you can't be ahead at halftime, so it's just full stop.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

But now you can't be even bit ahead of three-quarter time.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

Yes, right.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

No legal.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

I think the the the only thing I wanted to say about Carlton tonight, sorry, you can't say it.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

The C word.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

Sorry. The only thing I wanted to say about the C uh N T no U word is that uh is that I thought that game, I thought they actually really tried their guts out and they tried everything, uh, especially in the third quarter. And I actually felt at the end of that game, um, despite what I put on various text messages and chats, uh, I don't think I'm now fully convinced that they should not sack uh Voss because I think they're really trying hard. They tried everything and they just got into their own heads in the last it was really the last five to ten minutes that they just like they were still playing pretty well in the last quarter, and then they just stopped inexplicably, but at least only stopped for the last ten minutes. So that was better than stopping in the second quarter last week. And but but I but the point I was thinking about is that what do you do if you're sacked boss now? So you've got this whole season, whole rest of the season, it's all in limbo. Uh you can't build anything, and if you appoint a new coach now, the season's gone anyway. So what are they gonna do for the rest of the season? Um, so I actually think now there's no upside to to punting Voss now. I think they should just see him out with his contract, make it clear towards the end of the year, unless unless he pulls off some sort of miracle. But basically, had your chance, that's it, and they start the process telling him he's gone, you know, in round 18 or 17 or something. Um, but don't do it now. Actually, I'm I have become convinced that there's no upside for us. There's no upside for us now. He just shouldn't have been backed in last year, but he was so we're stuck with him.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Just let's just a few observations. Um so the problem with car there's all C words, and now there's just V words. So C words now you've got Voss. Voss stop using C's and V's words. That's just that. Um but I you got the problem I have with see Voss is never gonna resign. He's just not that kind of person. No, fair enough, but but also I I would I think everyone's I think the frustration I have with him as a coach is that clearly Carlton, it's not about the football. It's clearly beyond their skill set, even though I think their skills are ordinary at best sometimes. But yeah, yeah, but it's clearly a mental part of the fact that they were playing having watched the game. Like the third quarter was brilliant. Yeah, yeah. Right? Really good. And they stabbed and then they it it's clearly not it's clearly above the neck now. Like they it can't possibly play like that and then just stop playing like that. Which means yeah it it's it and then all I ever hear Voss talk about is is the we uh we we own it and we keep trying and we you know we're working but but that's not the point.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

That's not the point.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

The point is that you're you're your your players go just can't the other thing is whether it the other thing I was thinking of the we having watched them is whether they have a game plan that just can't sustain four quarters.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Yeah, yeah. But something's something's and they can't work it out. That's what seems to be clear. And I I think Voss's answer is just work harder, try harder. And I think that's the same with Cribs, and I think that's the culture that's been developed. It's just like, oh, it's my dad used to be like this, you know. He was just don't work smarter, just work harder. And he used to call me lazy all the time because it's just like don't try and get out of the work. I'm like, no, but if we did it this way, we wouldn't we'd we'd only have to do it for an hour instead of the whole day, and like don't keep trying to shirk your responsibilities and just get on with it. Uh so I think Voss and the guys, the culture's like that, and the way they speak is like we've just gotta apply ourselves for the whole time. We've just got to go stick this, and we've got to work harder.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Um I agree. I agree, I could not agree more.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Couldn't you?

SPEAKER_03 34:25

Anyway, we've mentioned we we've talked about for far too long.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yeah, we weren't gonna talk about them at all.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

Well, we're gonna talk about this because the gather round is interesting. I do, I do think two good games at Adelaide Oval. But yeah, Lindock, Lindock, Barossa Park. I assume Barossa Park, Lindock is in the Barossa. I assume.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Seems a reasonable assumption, I would think.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

Yeah, there's a few games there, but why, why? Can I just uh look they're playing you are right, they're playing North Melbourne, Brisbane. North Melbourne's not a bad side, they're not a great side, but they're not a bad side now, right? Yeah, yeah Brisbane's a very good side, right? They're playing that in the Barossa, right? Yep. They're playing Sydney and the Suns, which should be in theory a belting game to watch. Yeah. That's being played at Norwood Oval, somewhere in the suburbs of Adelaide, right? Um they're playing what else are they playing? Giants and Richmond's in the Barossa as well. And then they're playing Essendon and Melbourne at the Adelaide Oval. It's Saturday afternoon. That will be the worst game ever.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. And and then that's but most of them I thought were actually not too bad this year, but um that's an old one to play at the Adelaide Oval.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

But so for 115, the traditional time of 115, which is 12.45 in Adelaide. Right? They're playing at Adelaide Oval. Why the f would you not play? So they're there's a double header. So they've got they've got Essington, Melbourne as the the what is it? The it's almost like the the reserves game before. And then they're playing Hawthorne Bulldogs that night. Bulldogs, yeah. Yeah, but why why would you play Sydney Suns and then Hawthorne Bulldogs? How good an afternoon would that be if you turn up to the Adelaide Oval after having your glass of cabinet in your boot, and you roll up at you know 12 45, 1 o'clock, right? And you watch, you know, even North Melbourne Lions. Well, no, if you watched Sydney Suns at like one o'clock, yeah. Then you go back to your car and you have your your cabinet with your sort of supper or whatever you have. And then and then you watch Hawthorne Bulldogs at like eight o'clock. How good would that be? Yeah. Yeah, and then who gives a shit?

SPEAKER_02 37:06

What do you reckon they're they're not you you don't get one ticket for the two games? I bet you you have to they're ticket games, probably.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Yeah, but these are yeah, like you know, it's Adelaide, like they'll they'll just do it, right? And then and then send Essendon and Melbourne to the Barossa. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yeah, that that'd be good uh Barossa people. Essendon, there's a lot of red wine drinkers in Essendon, I think. More than uh GWS and Richmond. I don't think anybody any from anybody from Western Sydney or Richmond has ever seen a bottle of red wine.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

I was gonna say that's the least the two teams I had to pick who would be the least likely to drink Barossa wine, it would be those two.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

Maybe a bottle of Lambrusco. Remember the uh Lambrusco.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

What the f like it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Hey, speaking of Gatherown, did you I I saw uh look at something earlier that had Andrew Dillon talking about uh the future of Gatherown in Adelaide, uh because the it was a three-year thing. Um and he started saying, well we have to we can't just sort of sign it off again because we've got Tasmania coming in in 2028, and that means uh we've got uh we'll have to play either one round less or one round more because you can't have so we've got twenty this was Gather Round was an extra round. I didn't realise this. So we play twenty-three games um and this was an extra round, and when you have an odd number of teams in the competition, you can't do that, you have to have an even number of games. It's like wait a second, what? And I thought number the best numbers man I know or ever met is you. So can you explain that one? So that does that. But he said that you can't you have to have an even number of games when you have an odd number of teams, and vice versa. Like, do you? That's it but that's only if everybody plays each other twice, which is which doesn't happen. So it's I don't understand what he's doing.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

I'm gonna have to think about that because this is this is from a man who designs the fixture so that they get the result they want. Yeah, and no one plays each other the same number of times. So like if you had 19 teams, you could play 16 rounds if you wanted to.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

But if you yeah, but if you played, so if you say, let's just think this one through it.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

I think I think the problem is gonna be is that you not everyone can play each other every in a in a given round, right? So if you've got 19 teams, there always has to be a buy. Yes. Every week has to have a team has to have a buy.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

Some team having a buy, which is gonna happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

And does it mean that? But I think that means because if everyone has everyone at the end of the season is gonna have to play the same number of games, therefore, I think the way it works, uh I'll have to think about this more, but I'm pretty sure the way it works is you have to have even, because then then it means everyone has to play the same number of games. Otherwise it it it doesn't not everyone plays.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

That must be it.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Because everyone because one team always has to have a bye if you have 19 teams. So you've got to play even number so that everyone plays the same number of games. That's my that's my my without notice theory.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

That must be it, because he said it. It's gotta be it. Yeah. You know, and he said it so it obviously and I'm just looking there going, wait, I didn't know that. And did we all is that always been the case? So we've had an even number of teams.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

Yeah, because if you've got an even number No, if you've got an even number of teams, you can play however many rounds you'd like because everyone can play each other in the same week. The problem with 19 teams is you you someone always misses out. So you've got to so that everyone plays the same number of games at the end of the season, they have to have Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

So it works one way but not the other way. Yes. It has to be with an odd number of teams, but if you've got an even number of teams, you can do anything.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

Correct. Which just makes the whole thing fast school even more than it is now. Yes. Yeah. How many do you reckon we should get to 24 teams and then everyone plays each other once?

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Well, we could just do that with 20 teams. Why do we have to have 24?

SPEAKER_03 41:46

But the yeah, I reckon what they should do is to get 20 24 teams, and everyone plays each other twice if over 48 weeks.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

Yeah. And then the four weeks left over for the f for the finals, and then you got 52 weeks.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Yeah, we can just get it. Every weekend for the whole year. Who would like this summer break really gives you the shits?

SPEAKER_03 42:06

Actually, that works well. We get we so we've got 90 in Tasmania, we get another team in each of so what do we need? We need five more teams. You get one more team in Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth. That's four. And then we get we get that uh um uh Darwin team. Darwin, yep. The Northern, the the Darwin Crocs or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

They can all rugby league, they're always obsessed with rugby league. Then we've got a team in Townsville. Why can't we have a team in Cansville?

SPEAKER_03 42:39

See the Darwin Crocs and they um they they don't wear footy boots, they wear those croc things. But they were 24, we just play all we yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

So the team that wins the grand final then plays the following week in round one.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Yes, exactly. Because there's no bias because it's 2014, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, geez. And if you want to have some time off, don't make the finals.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

And the guy and the person that the the bloke that wins the bro has 174 votes because they've been playing all year.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

And Nick Dacos will still come second.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

God, if he comes second to get in anything this year, there should needs to be some kind of just terrible. Anyway, but apparently they're they're gonna offer there's this theory that Tasmania's gonna offer him like a gazillion dollars. Yeah, like like a ridiculous amount of money. Yeah, yeah. I just um I like even if you dick take it, she'd almost take that because it's almost too good to say no. But I'm not sure it really worked with I mean, Gary Ablack got a lot of money to go to Gold Coast. Did that help Goldfast? Do we think it did? Maybe it did. Well, maybe. Maybe you have one player who can really play, and then everyone else is useless. But does that mean they get uh they get uh you know attention because it's Gary or Nick?

SPEAKER_02 44:07

Yeah, I think they do some of that sort of stuff. I think they will try and get some superstars because people will go to the games then. And I I think this is where GWS has failed compared to Gold Coast in terms of uh getting the people local people behind them. So people went to the Gold Coast games b early on because of Gary Ablett. But why would you go to Gold to GWS? You'd never heard of any of them. And they went for more of the purest Academy players.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

So I think it's I think they'll oh that's a good theory. Maybe Nick should go to GWS.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Yeah, that needs somebody.

SPEAKER_03 44:47

Please, Nick, don't go to GWS. Rather you go to Tasmania. You gotta go anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

Please go to Tasmania. Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

Yeah. Can you imagine our previous podcast friend Gemma? If Nick Dacos ends up at GWS, God should just turn up every week. It's terrible. Yeah. Couldn't stand. I don't think I could stand that talking about Nick Dacos at TWS.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

Um now, just before we wrap up, we are we gonna do the special edition uh live podcast at your place next week when Carlton plays Collingwood on uh Thursday the day.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

I think we we are, and I think we're gonna have a few extra guests. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Oh, we're not so just as a bit of a teaser for everybody, we have challenged uh one of Martin's sons with um who's very smart and doing a PhD in something or other. Uh but we have talked a bit about the theory of relativity, and um so we're gonna explore that in the context of Nick Dacos' uh acceleration uh in relative terms to other players, and I think it's been a it's been a a topic on everybody's lips um for some time now, Martin. And it's great to get an expert on the show so we can explore it fully.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

Agree. And he's just the man to do it.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

We are we're uh for for our listeners, it's going to be well worth listening to because it'll be we'll be together. Was it Thursday night, isn't it? Collin with Carlton next week. Yeah. Tomorrow week this cost, another six-day break. Cross, can we is there any any any of a seven-day break? So we get an eight-day break this year. I reckon there's a new theory. The AFL designs it, so you either get six or eight. Nobody gets seven.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

I was gonna talk about this last week as well. Uh Carlton had a 17-day break because we had the bye, and then so we could have played any time. We could have played Wednesday of the week after the bye, but we played the last game on Sunday afternoon, and then we played Good Friday. So it's like he that was technically a four-day break. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

Uh how the hell what the Dominic C.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

So I'm sorry, uh Dominic, you don't understand. Clearly, you don't understand. Oh, I don't, I don't understand. I didn't understand. It's clearly a five-day break, and your average playing time over three weeks is every uh ten days. Well, that's a weird I don't know what your problem is.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

Yeah, that's why we don't bother with the second halves, because uh it's just like low playing time. We can play more games, fans can see it more often.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

Why the fuck would you start the season and then stop it? It makes no sense to me at all. Like so terrible, so terrible. It's just open around and then people start and then they stop, and then then I do I only realize on the weekend because it's fucking Easter, right? So yeah, lots of people are either away or they're at home, and they've got you know, more free time of four days, everyone's relaxed, and then two teams have got a bye. Like, what is that? You've got four days to play it, five days, including Thursday, and you still can't get all 18 teams. What are they getting with 19 teams? There'll be 17 buys every three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Well, it's we've finally got everybody playing has played the same number of games now, so that's taken us four or five rounds.

SPEAKER_03 48:22

What do we have opening round? Five plus OR or something, and then yeah, we're finally on four inch.

unknown 48:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

Oh my god. And then hang on, don't we go back to a circus again? Or are we through the buys now?

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Are we through the buys? Everybody plays this round. Um, so we don't get buys now until around eleven or twelve or something.

SPEAKER_03 48:42

Oh right.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

But then don't we get them every every no, they just do it like over those three or four weeks.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

Twelve thirteen.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

But I'm sorry, you you're talking like there should be some sort of integrity in the system. So fifteen.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

Sixteen.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

My God. How many? There's sixteen. So five by rounds.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

So that means that's that's five plus OR six, one, seven, two, eight, three is nine. There are ten by rounds in twenty-five that is, honestly. What is it?

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Yeah. Well, it's just when you want to see less football and the crowds are down and ratings.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

I don't know, but but you know, like they can fit they can fit nine games and gather around in Adelaide, and they can't fit nine games over Easter over five days.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

And Paul Hawthorne, look they looked it was about a half-designed game, actually, if you watched it on Monday. Um but having said that, they didn't play for like 17 days. Oh, with their by. Yeah, because they played on the Monday, and they previously played on like a Thursday or a Friday.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Yeah, so that was like us with because we'd played on the Thursday against Richmond.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

So 17 days, that's like two.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

And then we had 17 days uh before we played Melbourne on Sunday.

SPEAKER_03 50:14

So if you're playing 17 days, that's like two bys. That should count as this should count as two buys.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

Two buys, Tony.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

That's like seven days, fourteen days. So you're into the third week, it's like three two buys. You've had two buys in one bye. See, that's just favoritism. Hawthorne's had two buys in one.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Wait, we had fave we had two buys as well. We just they just took them as bye-bye. Carlton was just like bye-bye. Yeah. After our two buys.

SPEAKER_03 50:51

But you know, there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with the draw. Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

No, the draw's great.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

The drawer is the drawer is fantastic. We should always sell a Bayman draw. Jeez.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

Good. Well, I'm uh I'm hungry. I'm gonna go and have something to eat. Um excellent. Uh I don't know whether we covered everything tonight. We covered everything on your list. Do you have a list?

SPEAKER_03 51:14

I've got a lot of verse. Well, I've actually um I think I'm getting more excited about what we call the the sort of teaser heading for the tr for the podcast rather than the actual podcast. Yeah, so I can think of I can think of a few good headings for this one.

SPEAKER_02 51:34

I went remind me when the F1 starts again, we have to talk about super clipping. Well super clipping. Yeah, super clipping is what they do.

SPEAKER_03 51:42

Is it like trolling flapping?

SPEAKER_02 51:44

Yes, it is, and this is our new trolling flap uh thing. It was uh super clipping. Alex pointed out to me that we should talk about super clipping because what you do is when you're coming down the strait, you take your foot off the accelerator so it recharges your battery. Uh and this is like when you're miles ahead, you uh you take your foot off the accelerator. Super clipping. Wow. Super clipping. So watching it.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

I'm actually reliably informed that the F1 does not race in April. Correct. Yeah. Because of the they've postponed at least one, maybe two um Middle East um races. But does that mean they count? Is that a buy?

unknown 52:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Is that what we can as buys?

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Well, probably.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Or does that mean are they postponed to be raced being between the last game and the finals?

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Yeah, well, there was lots of talk about different things. And in fact, I have it on reliable authority because I heard it on the radio from the Premier of South Australia uh on the ABC last weekend. He they put in a bid for it. They were going to try and do the Adelaide Grand Prix again as to fill in. They could have done it at Gather round. They could have done it in between the games on Gather round. That would have been great around the streets.

SPEAKER_03 53:03

Oh, that's good. I was just wondering whether they're what what do they do with those races? Do they do they play them again? Or do they it was the AFL they just play them again?

SPEAKER_02 53:14

They just decided they won't do them.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

Uh see if you're if you're Mercedes right now, you just say yes to anything, right? Yeah, sure. The only thing you wouldn't say yes to is going back to the old engine, right? Yeah, it's right. Yeah, but other than that, you just say sure. And if you're Red Bull or something other than that, you just say no to everything.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

You just complain about everything.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Are they gonna are they not gonna are they just cancelling them? Not nothing.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

Yeah, they just decided which I you can imagine why, because it like to rearrange this is not like playing another game at the MCG. It's uh yeah, the whole and I I heard some people talking about Melbourne and I can you imagine the Albert Park residents and everything going on. Oh my god, but shut it off again. There'd be marches everywhere. Now that they've cancelled the bloody Moto GP, that's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

I know. No, in all seriousness, they should they should actually pick a non-street circuit, you know, like those circuits that are already a circuit. Yeah, like um like Japan and China, I think they're all they're actual circuits, right? Why don't they just go back there?

SPEAKER_02 54:21

I'm surprised they didn't do something like that. So like was it Japan the last one, I think? So just do another race in Japan, or like do two in China and then two in Japan, maybe. Um they're all there, so they don't have to fly them everywhere and it's all set up.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

So um, maybe they could they could maybe they could race at Barossa Park in Lindock. Maybe that's what uh the There's a circuit out there somewhere. We just put up a temporary stand, race around the scene.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

Yeah. There's a few F1 fans that would be drinking the red wine.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

I think that's oh yeah, absolutely. See, that makes more sense than bloody what's the name? Uh Richmond and being everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

Fucking hell. No, no, we sent them in a little bit. GWS and Richmond are the ones going there. They've picked the two most bogan sides in the whole AFL and sent them to the Barossa. People that live in the Barossa they won't know what's hit them. Drinking beer?

SPEAKER_03 55:24

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Have you got anything? Have you got any red wine in a can?

SPEAKER_03 55:35

That's terrible. All right, that's a good place to stop before you live near Richmond.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

You're gonna have if all our Richmond listeners are gonna come after you.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

No, but there's a lot of good pubs in Richmond and they serve a lot of good beer. It's a good thing. But the the last thing you would do is is transplant Richmond, the the vibe of Richmond during the football, to Barossa Park and make it red wine.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

That's true, that's true. Uh good. Well, thanks again. Thanks for another good episode.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

And well let's look forward to nobody watching the YouTube.