S2 Ep7. Healing from the Heart: Yanto Irjanto's Journey as a Scientific Healer

In this enlightening episode of ABWilson's Heart of the Matter, Aderonke Bademosi Wilson sits down with Yanto Irjanto, a scientific healer, naturalist, and meditator. Yanto shares his journey and insights on holistic health, personal growth, and the practices that have shaped his life. Through their conversation, Yanto offers a deep dive into the healing power of love, peace, and laughter, as well as the importance of connecting with one’s inner self to achieve true well-being.

Yanto begins by describing himself as a lover, lover of peace, and loner, offering a glimpse into his unique perspective on life. He explains how his preference for solitude challenges him to grow and fosters his personal development. This introspective approach is central to his journey, as it has enabled him to cultivate peace within himself, which he believes is foundational to his healing practice.

His approach to healing is scientific and intuitive, using applied kinesiology and muscle testing to address a range of health issues. Yanto shares several success stories from his practice, including his work with patients suffering from anaphylactic shock and chronic conditions. Through these experiences, he demonstrates the profound impact of holistic healing methods when applied with care and attention to the body’s needs.

Throughout the episode, Yanto emphasizes the importance of love, peace, and laughter as cornerstones of a fulfilled life. He also discusses the transformative power of meditation, recounting some of his most profound experiences with this practice. For Yanto, these elements are not just spiritual concepts but practical tools for personal growth and healing.

Yanto’s insights on health and wellness further highlight the importance of nourishing the body through proper nutrition. He advocates for avoiding ultra-processed foods and stresses the need for a balanced approach to physical activity, mental health, and diet. His holistic perspective on health underscores that well-being is not just about managing symptoms but about creating harmony between mind, body, and spirit.

In addition to discussing his healing practices, Yanto opens up about the challenges he faces, such as adapting to new technology. Despite these obstacles, he celebrates his recent accomplishment of completing a 19.3km Super Run, showcasing his resilience and commitment to pushing beyond his comfort zones. This personal triumph serves as a reminder of the importance of perseverance in all aspects of life.

Yanto offers several notable quotes throughout the episode, each reflecting his philosophy on life and healing. He shares, "I prefer to laugh than fight," highlighting the importance of joy over conflict. He also reflects on the power of heart-centered work, stating, "My key strength is that when I do my work, I really have to work from my heart." Quoting Benjamin Franklin, he reminds listeners, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure," underscoring his belief in the value of proactive health practices.

The key takeaways from this episode are clear: prioritize prevention over cure when it comes to health, seek out the root causes of health issues rather than merely treating symptoms, and maintain a balance between physical activity, mental health, and nutrition. 

Additionally, Yanto encourages listeners to keep an open mind when it comes to alternative healing methods and self-care practices, as they can play a transformative role in one’s overall well-being.

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Welcome to another edition of ABWilson's Heart of the Matter, a podcast that uses overwhelmingly positive questions to learn about our guests, where every episode uncovers extraordinary stories of triumph, growth, and empowerment. Hi, I'm Aderonke Bademosi Wilson, and my guest on today's show is Yanto Irijanto. Yanto, welcome to the show.

Yanto (00:31.822)

Thank you, Aderonke. It's a honor for me to be in the podcast.

Aderonke (00:36.904)

And Yantel, I want to start with the three words that you use to describe yourself. You said you're a laugher, love, peace, and a lonester. Let's start with being a lonester. What does that look like and mean for you?

Yanto (00:55.075)

That means that I do things mostly by myself Whatever it is traveling or whatever as much as possible to be by myself, but of course as a human being we are a social Social Humanity or a social person so we need always with somebody but as much as possible I try to do things

by myself.

Aderonke (01:27.584)

And do you find peace in that? Is that a comfort for you? Is that a choice?

Yanto (01:34.85)

It is more comfortable for me to do it like that. It's also a challenge

Aderonke (01:42.99)

And what is the challenge? Why is it a challenge?

Yanto (01:47.02)

For instance, that you need to do... Say you go to the airport and before you always have somebody to... You go to the counter and people take you in, but now they use a machine and you have to figure out, you know, instead of asking people to do it, try to figure out by myself. So this is what I had to launch. And I've been very good with it. I'm very good with it now. Mostly when I arrived at the airport earlier.

Aderonke (02:09.077)

Okay.

Yanto (02:16.625)

and I try to help especially the elderly people who are not so clever or much knowledged about the technology, the IT things. So I tell them, you have to do this one, this is your number and how to register to book in things like that.

Aderonke (02:39.246)

Okay, I understand that. And then let's talk about laugher. You describe yourself as a laugher.

Yanto (02:46.048)

Okay, that means that I prefer laugh than fight. I prefer, for instance, if I have to choose two movies, one is something about laugh or the other one is about shooting or killing. I prefer the one, not the killing, but the other one with the laugh and things like that.

Aderonke (03:12.768)

Okay, so I misunderstood. So forgive me. You're saying that you're a lover and that you prefer all things love.

Yanto (03:22.048)

Yeah, as much as possible to show love. So that is the most important thing, I think. There's a lot of saying to say that...

Yanto (03:39.903)

choose war, I choose love instead of war.

Aderonke (03:43.566)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yanto (03:45.513)

So how is the saying in English about that, between love and war?

Aderonke (03:52.654)

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'll see if I can think of it before the end of our conversation. And so I think this leads us nicely into your next descriptor where you say you love peace.

Yanto (03:58.484)

Yeah.

Yanto (04:09.49)

Yes, I love peace because without peace people are just... it just makes people stress out and when we have stress, everything is just chaotic. So peace is very important I think for us to always be in peace. Instead of fighting, instead of doing something, solve something with something... weapons or something hard.

It's better we solve something with the discussion and with the peaceful environment, things like that.

Aderonke (04:46.734)

Thank you. Thank you. And I do absolutely agree with that, that more things can be resolved in a peaceful manner if we give ourselves time to really listen and understand each other's perspective. So Yanto, I would like our listeners to learn a little bit more about you. Please share three interesting things about yourself.

that our listeners may not know and your friends will be surprised to learn.

Yanto (05:22.683)

Well, three things about me that the listeners may not know about me. So first of all, I'm a healer. Second, I'm a naturalist. I like nature. And the third is I'm a meditator, meditation.

Aderonke (05:47.4)

And tell me about being a healer.

Yanto (05:50.94)

There are many people who misunderstanding with healer.

I'm a scientific healer, not a fake healer like that. So whatever I do, everything is scientific, can be approved by the science, not something like a fake one. I don't do that one. So what I do, everything has to do with the scientific and...

Yanto (06:27.877)

already proved by many people scientifically. So in my healing things, you know, I use applied kinesiology, which is a muscle testing to find out what's going on neurologically inside a patient's body. So in our body, there are many buttons area that we can press or rub or pinch to heal the body.

manipulation all the buttons and areas using muscle testing is what I do. Well, here is a little bit of explanation about buttons and area.

Our body is incredibly well designed machine with some proof as below. our internal organs are related to certain muscles. So if you know a strength of a certain muscle, you can related the condition of the internal organ. So this is mostly mastered by the

kinetiology practitioner. For instance, a muscle called pectoralis major sternal division, which is on the chest here, and this is related to the liver.

and another one called quadriceps, towards the knee from the hips. That's related to the small intestine.

Yanto (08:11.501)

And you said another one, the pectoralis major, clavicle division that is related to the stomach. So we studied all these things and we can see how is the improvement of our internal organs through the muscle.

And there many of them, many muscles and many organs in our body.

Aderonke (08:45.902)

And how long have you been a healer?

Yanto (08:51.191)

Well, that was about now since I was 20s actually.

Aderonke (08:57.983)

And what made you get into being a healer? What interested you about becoming a healer?

Yanto (09:07.255)

I would say this is my nature. I was born and I was raised in a family with the traditional medicine and my grandfather and my grand uncle, they are Chinese.

Yanto (09:27.604)

doctor that practice the herbal medicine. I like to see my grand uncle, more my grand uncle than my grandfather. My grand uncle like to take pulse.

to diagnose his patient. And then after that, he would write all the recipe.

in Chinese character, Mandarin, and then to give it to the patient. And the patient will go to the Chinese chemist to buy all the herbs.

So I wonder why, how come just by touching the pulse on the wrist, he can diagnose all these things. And after you drink the herbs for two or three days, and it's gone. After the first drink, you already feel better. So after two days, completely gone. So it was really, really makes me wonder how come like that.

So when I was a child, about seven or eight, when I look at him, the diagnosis, and he told me I was interested about that, and he said, let's come, you know. I said, but the pulse diagnosis, he would take three fingers, put it on the wrist, and then to say, hey, look at, can you see that different? You have to listen to your fingers on the pulse, and each fingers go to the certain place.

Yanto (11:04.341)

And that represents a certain meridian, a certain internal energy in our body. And this internal energy will go to the internal organs. So you know which energy and which fingers are related to the organs. And this is how they diagnose. And you will see, oh, this organ is too hot, too humid.

to hold and they use this kind of the cold humid or wind invaded the body and this is how they expelled. At the time that was 5,000 years ago where in China they didn't know about all the microscope to know the bacteria or viruses because the viruses came up after the bacteria came up only

I think in the 15th, 16th centuries, by the Leuwenhoek in Europe, so they discovered the microscope and then says how they started to see the bacteria. And later on, a couple hundred of years later, I don't know how long later, they found viruses, which is smaller than bacteria. But at the time, 5,000 years ago,

They see the body, they don't know about bacteria. They see, hey, you are infected by wind.

by cold, by damp. So even in English there's an expression to say, hey, you catch cold. You see? This kind of thing. So the Oriental, I would say from there, is spread out in Asia that our body can get sick from the invading of this humidity, the heat from outside.

Aderonke (12:50.828)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yanto (13:09.987)

or the cord from outside.

So this is how we become sick. And they will prescribe the medicine to expel the wind or expel the cold, things like that. So when I was a child, had been following, how come it's strange, but it works.

Aderonke (13:15.726)

Mm-hmm.

Yanto (13:31.737)

And also from there, I don't know, I think this is the nature I was born with it. I remember when I was in the primary school.

In one desk, there are two people. And one day my classmate next to me in the same desk didn't show up for about one week. So when he came up, when he show up again, I said, hey, what's the matter? Why you didn't come to the school? You were late because the teacher is teaching the new things. And he said to me, well, I wasn't sick, he said. I was helping my mom.

to sell cake so that we can earn some money to continue our life. And it was so touched.

So I said, how about you now? Did you have your breakfast today? He said, not yet. I said, OK, let's go to buy something. And I used my pocket money to buy things more for him than for me. So that was on for months like that. And the second year, he disappeared. So this is.

that I remember vividly.

Yanto (14:59.343)

And his name is Walter.

Yanto (15:04.72)

So this kind of empathy in myself.

It's already there.

Yanto (15:14.425)

would say if I think back again, you can see that some children, are naturally, they are helpful for something else. So I would say about me as well, that I am the same thing, that I will be empathic to something, somebody who are in pain or somebody in sickness like that.

Aderonke (15:39.566)

And so this helps you with how you heal people.

Yanto (15:40.834)

So this is tough.

Yanto (15:45.858)

That's it. So I became the healer. I myself also, I choose to do the alternative medicine practitioner to heal people. It is because I was an asthmatic child.

And I didn't feel well when there was something with the chemical that's different to me. So I would prefer something, some herbal medicine. I feel it is better for my body. It seems that for me the chemical drugs is too invasive to my body.

Aderonke (16:36.654)

Mm-hmm.

Yanto (16:38.007)

So that's why I said, okay, I prefer to do my practice to do the herbal. And later on I learned that all the medicine which is called drugs is a poison. You know, they have a double blade. Where the herbal medicine, they are safer. Yeah, I don't say that the poison

Aderonke (17:01.454)

Mm-hmm.

Yanto (17:07.316)

or chemical drugs is not good, it's not at all. We have to work together, they have to come to the world together. Because if you use the drugs, it's faster, the chemical drugs. While the herbal one, it is slower to react, to take away your symptoms. But it is safer in the long run.

Aderonke (17:33.806)

And so the other thing that you said that people may not know about you is that you're a meditator. Tell me about that. Tell me about your practice.

Yanto (17:47.507)

Okay, the meditator. Well, I like to meditate. And why? Because one time I came to a state where I was meditating and I felt like that I could hear everything but I started to losing my senses of my legs, then my arms, my limbs, and then my body.

And later on, I couldn't sense anything anymore of my body, but I could hear, I could feel. I could feel the wind, I could hear the noise. I was on the beach, I was by myself, I was meditating. And I could feel the wind is blowing while the noise of the waves coming to the shore, and I could hear that.

But I was outside somewhere, I was traveling somewhere. And this is a, it's hard to explain, but this is what I feel.

so light of my body, didn't feel any weight anymore. Gravity didn't exist at the time. And I was just enjoying something so light of my body, really, really, really so peaceful. And I think the reality took me about maybe two, three minutes, but my feeling was about

20 or half an hour. And slowly, slowly I came back again and I start to feel, yes, I can sense my body. I start to feel the, all my hands, all my legs, and everything become normal again. And I opened my eyes, everything was just like before. I remember vividly when I stood up,

Yanto (20:01.832)

I was sitting on the bench, I stood up. I was afraid because my body was so light, I had to hold on the bench because the wind might blow me away. And next to me there was maybe about one and a half meters from the bench, there was a coconut tree. And immediately I ran to the coconut tree to hold. I was afraid that my body was going to be blown away because so light.

And this is I enjoyed it. And that was the first time. I will never forget about this feeling. And from the time to time, I have this kind of feeling. And it was so nice.

Aderonke (20:46.2)

So can.

Yanto (20:46.215)

I know what they say. So this is what this is about the meditator. Quite unlike meditation.

Aderonke (20:56.238)

So is this something that you can do at will or is it just something that happens once you're meditating? Can you say to yourself, okay, I'm gonna meditate and be weightless or does it just come when it comes?

Yanto (21:09.862)

It comes by itself. If I I meditate 10 times, maybe it happens to me only once or twice, or sometimes nothing.

Aderonke (21:21.016)

Okay. So, Yanto, thank you. Thank you very much for sharing that. Thank you for sharing your journey to become a healer. And so keeping that in mind, can you tell us about a recent accomplishment or success that you're particularly proud of?

Yanto (21:41.52)

Well,

I remember there was a...

French man came to me.

Yanto (21:55.707)

And he said to me that the...

Yanto (22:01.689)

He was too old.

He was limping coming to me and he really looked old, like he was 40.

Yanto (22:14.979)

He was a smoker. I found out he was a smoker. He was a, you call it, food eater. He never liked vegetables and always something fried, this kind of thing. And I know the diet was terrible. So after I fixed him and he said to me, how old I was, when I told him, said, wow, you look younger than you are.

Anyway, then he left and somebody came again a few months or few weeks later and always I said, how do you know me? And they would say that, it is this French man who sent them to me. I said, OK, it was OK. How was he? He was OK, like that. And a year later on, this man came to me. And they didn't know.

He was totally different. I couldn't recognize him for a while. And I said, well, you're familiar, but I couldn't recall. And he told me about him. I said, and he looks totally different. He was muscular. He was much younger than before. And at his age, I would say, and he walked fast and very proportional. And I said, how come?

you are so different, your body and your energy and everything. He said to me, he stopped smoking, he stopped drinking, he stopped everything, he just do the exercises, swimming, yoga, and I told him what I did. And he followed me, all of them. And he are you coming for another treatment? He said, no, I came here to thank you. I wanted to invite you for dinner. So that was the reason.

His life is totally changed. So was very happy for him.

Aderonke (24:21.71)

And so, Yanto, I want you to share maybe one or two other stories of successes that you've had. Given that I've known you for two years now, I do know of some of your successes, especially when it comes to pain relief, when it comes to helping women to become pregnant. Do you want to talk about that?

Yanto (24:48.669)

yes, there are several rare or extraordinary cases that I've been doing. It is the anaphylactic shock.

So people who has the anaphylactic shock, there is kind of allergic which is very, very heavy on them, where they will, within five minutes they have to inject epiphen into their body because their blood sugar and their blood pressure will drop and they will get pale and they will pass out and then they will die within five, ten minutes if they didn't have any of this injection.

So they always carry this injection with them, you know, to revive them or to make them better, to take away this kind of shop. So, actually there was the very first one was a lady from Canada. She was not able to...

walk for about one month because she got anaphylactic shock in hospital. So when she was hospitalized for one month because of the also infected by steptococcus and when he went out again the muscle was so weak and at home she had to go with the wheelchair and slowly slowly with the

acupuncture, acupressure, the therapy. She was able to walk again, but in stiff, pain. her husband said to her, hey, let's go for holiday. But where to? Okay, let's go to Asia. But where? So first of all, they would like to say, okay, let's go to Thailand or Philippines. But then the doctor said, no, let's go to Bali. So that was the story.

Yanto (26:55.248)

And in Bali, they were looking around as being a tourist. And one day, this couple was sitting on a table in dinner time. And next table, they overheard somebody was talking about me. And they are my patient before, either that day. They were talking about me. And this lady went to them, hey, who is this guy that you're talking about? So give me the...

So she came, gave me my number and so she came, she booked. And I said, what's matter you come to see me? Oh, I couldn't walk properly because of this, of this. I was hospitalized for one month and then I came back, I was able to walk with her and also sorry to be able to come to Bali. So at the time when I tested on her, I found out, I said, hey, you have a...

Allergic or something that weaken you some food that weaken you and from there she told me that she has the anaphylactic shock to latex I Said let me heal you

Yanto (28:12.669)

So really, said, no, let's try. Since she was a child, she was in her mid-50s, I would say. So long time. She always, always avoid latex. And anyway, I said, okay, there's latex. So when I treated on her, I put latex on her hand, I could see her face was getting paler, was white and the blood was getting gone. And her eyes.

was like a getting

no no no life or no life just like going to be like a dead the the eyes of a dead fish i remember vividly i could say and immediately i did my uh treatment and in halfway i could see oh that the the cheek is getting

pink now that means the sequestration is coming back and also her eyes is getting better and brighter

And times, well, you see, now you're holding the latex and no problem for you. And she was surprised.

Yanto (29:35.576)

Not like before. And then the next day she came again. At the time I do only about one hour and one and half hours to continue for the rest of the pain of the lower back. And the first, very first thing she said to me, Yanto, test me again with latex. I said, okay. So we test it again.

And she was fine. did, hey, I have my latex with me, my hands. I cut the latex, but I didn't feel anything.

So that was the first one. And then the second one was a lady came to me with the bag as well. And she's only 22. And...

I said to her, hey, there's something also, some food that weaken you. So she told me, hey, she got anaphylactic shock. She always have the epiphan with her. She was allergic to nuts.

Yanto (30:42.745)

mostly and also some, I would say, So, okay, I can heal you, but I need these things that make you shocked. Okay, so we scheduled for the next day. So I said, do you have your Epiphan with you? She said, yes. Okay, how long for you to inject yourself into your body if something happened? Oh, it take me five minutes is fine. So in five minutes,

can get into your body and then you are are refined. I said okay I will hit you take away all the symptoms neurologically less than five minutes.

Yanto (31:26.232)

So okay, so she lay down and she put the needles with the epiphen and on the left side so can grab it with the right side and something happened she grabbed it and then she can inject her with her right side. Okay said, you know, I confirm her she will be fine. So put on her tongue, immediately I could see also she was kind of losing her.

energy because the body was something like that like being like so relaxed or no energy or I would say going to the coma like that and in the halfway again getting better getting better and the eyes and also the the cheek the face getting redder and it's done so she didn't need the epiphan

So I said we scheduled again for her on the next day. The next day she said to me, know Yanto, I called my mom that she's free from anaphylactic shock of this nuts. My mom doesn't believe her.

She said, my mom didn't believe because I had it since I was four years old. Impossible. I said, okay, let's make a video, show it to your mom. So I took her mobile phone and then take the video. I put the nuts, everything on her tongue. And then she will show it to the mom. Hey mom, look at me, I'm fine. And you stick out the tongue with the nuts and the...

strawberry and then look at me I'm fine you know there was but one minute or two and then came off and then I asked her to send me the if possible so that I can have more people and to write me a testimonial and it was the testimonial that she wrote so that I can convince other people so this is the story and there are many other things else you know like people get the

Aderonke (33:29.27)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yanto (33:40.251)

more than 10 years chronic diarrhea and even have to in one occasion he was working in a hospital but he got sacked by the boss. Hey you spend more time in the toilet then

do the work. So fix yourself first before you come to work again. So he was sick. And so only one time in other places also people didn't like him to work because got diarrhea all the time. So this one came to see me and then we fixed it. And there's so many things that the stomach couldn't hold and everything was get out from the body.

make it diarrhea. So it's a body protective mechanism to get the diarrhea because something if you cannot digest and you cannot absorb, it's a bad thing become gas and decay in the body and it's a poison for our body. So the body said, hey, let's go, let it out. Everything so good, diarrhea. So this is the chronic diarrhea. actually he's in Lombok, he was in Bali last year. And now I just found out.

He was in Lombok working in some way, something like that.

Aderonke (35:01.39)

So, Yanto, what are the key strengths and qualities you rely on to make a difference for people?

Yanto (35:10.557)

Well, the... My key strength.

Yanto (35:18.842)

Is it what you mean, yeah? The kiss, the kiss thing. Yeah, my kiss thing is the one, when I do my work, I really have to work from my heart. I really have to put my love from my heart to that body. I have to forget everything and do something with care and with loving care, I would say.

Aderonke (35:20.29)

Yes, your key strikes. Yes, what was right?

Yanto (35:47.92)

and you have to start to feel it in your heart and let it out. So this is how I can heal better. You can do things like that, Adhraanka. For instance, you are doing your cooking and you really put your heart and laughing care to your food. It will taste different compared to you were scolding and whatever it is and you are angry and then you can taste the food. It will be totally different.

You... Prove it like that. So this is my key strike.

Aderonke (36:20.846)

And Yanto, I've heard that this food was made with love and this wasn't. I've heard people say food has been made with love and you can taste the difference.

Yanto (36:36.06)

This. Yes.

Aderonke (36:38.296)

Hmm, okay. And can you recall a situation where you overcame a challenge that led to personal growth? What did you learn from that experience?

Yanto (36:52.344)

Uhhhh

Yanto (36:58.106)

the experience that I do from the people but if you have a kind of resilience you become a really really want to and focus on it then you will achieve what you really want you want to change your... like so many people come to see me with the different diet and something that didn't know that make them

They will taste better, but actually it's not healthy for their body. The body weakened by this food and then slowly slowly because addicted to this food, you know, it's very difficult to get rid of, you know, like people addicted to sugar addicted to Cigarette or alcohol. It's very very difficult to get rid of

And they always want to come back. But slowly, slowly, you have to be persistent. You have to be resilient and to continue one by one step by step. And you will finally, you will get it.

Yanto (38:12.367)

So this is what I see. And another strength that I do is I have to take care of myself. I have to make sure that what I eat is really, really good for me and make it healthy and try to avoid all this kind of the ultra processed food. which is, I would say the more modern we are,

the less time we have.

People have the tendency to be fast because the hungry in their body, in their stomach, they couldn't wait. The very, very quick way is to get all the ultra food and then eat them so that they don't feel hungry anymore. And this is a bad thing. You are what you eat and you are...

Aderonke (39:03.384)

Mm-hmm.

Yanto (39:13.526)

It's really true. If it's something bad, and then you will show up in somewhere. It might be difficult for you to relate it to the, come this food can make me like that? But can be approved by all the muscle testing, by all the kinesiology. And then, hey, look, when you have this food, you couldn't lift up.

the same weight compared to the one that when you are without this food. So the same weight was the same thing. But if you have the food in your body and you just feel like, hey, how come this same thing is getting more heavier? Actually, it's not heavier because there's no weight put it on.

on these things but if you are weaker but you feel weak you feel that it's heavier so this is how we can test the food you know you can test yourself so with the somebody test on you is much easier and then your strong muscle become weak with this food so we know that this food is really makes you weak and we start to avoid it

Aderonke (40:32.248)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

So let me ask you, can you think of a situation where you overcame a challenge?

Yanto (40:50.86)

to recall a situation where I become a...

Aderonke (40:53.324)

We overcame a challenge that led to personal growth.

Yanto (40:56.94)

Yes, these are so many things. One of them was the Frenchman one I told you that he became so different. And there was another woman who came to see me and

Aderonke (41:15.278)

But Yanta, your personal challenge, something for you.

Yanto (41:23.454)

Something for me.

Aderonke (41:24.652)

Yeah, a personal challenge for you.

Yanto (41:33.003)

Can you explain more of your question please?

Aderonke (41:35.864)

So think of something that happened to you that you had to deal with. It could have been something at work. It could have been something in your personal life that was a challenge for you that you had to figure out a way to fix it and get back to being your normal self.

Yanto (42:00.987)

Okay, you mean it happened to my body?

Aderonke (42:03.158)

Well, it doesn't have to be your body. It could be work. It could be your environment. It could be anything.

Yanto (42:13.097)

Okay, the IT things, the IT, this is the one that I really, really... You have to follow all the time and then the modern technology and really I couldn't keep up with this. And you start only punching that one, but everything is so simple. Yes, if you know it, how to go. When you change your mobile phone,

into a new one and it's a different kind of configuration, different way. And this is a little bit a challenge. It's stress you out how to go this, how to go that. So I prefer to have a phone already, I don't know, six, seven, or maybe 10 years. And this is a big challenge for myself to learn all the technology that changed all the time. I just feel like all the time has to learn all the technology. And this is something.

my god, know, too much to learn. I would say everybody the same for the first few days when they have their new phone.

Yanto (43:25.723)

So this is what I see. That I really have to, yes.

Aderonke (43:26.03)

So, sorry, so how do you overcome that? How do you manage to learn new technology? What tools do you use to help you?

Yanto (43:40.615)

I just go to the people, mostly young ones or even kids that know better and then, hey, how do you do this? How do you do that? And go to the offices and then who has the technician, technician for their software, for their computer. Hey, how to do this? How to do that? And then, okay, this is how I learned.

Aderonke (44:07.5)

Hmm

Yanto (44:08.607)

Otherwise, you you never learn and... Or you ask YouTube to learn and mostly people learn from YouTube. And sometimes you don't know how to put the keywords in the... to do the searching. And this is the kind of thing... my god, I just... Now AI coming up. I have to learn it as well. If you don't learn it, you will be behind, you know. At least you know something.

Aderonke (44:28.835)

Yeah.

Yanto (44:36.71)

You don't have to be the expert, but at least you need to know something about how the AI works or whatever. Little by little, just need to adapt yourself. And I think this will be a never-ending learning.

Aderonke (44:55.584)

I do agree with you. I do agree with you. AI is a wonderful tool, but you have to learn how to use it effectively.

Yanto (45:04.003)

You say? Now how to use it effectively? And this is a big challenge.

Aderonke (45:12.64)

You are listening to A.B. Wilson's Heart of the Matter podcast.

Welcome back to A.B. Wilson's Heart of the Matter. My guest today is Yanto Iyanto. Yanto, it's been wonderful. And even before we get into the next question, I wanna say how we met. I wanna give you my version of how we met and I'd like to hear your version. And we actually met in Dampasar in Bali.

And I had just come from the museum and was walking around a huge park. And I always say it's about half the size of Hamilton and Hamilton is the capital city of Bermuda. it's about a, Bermuda is the Hamilton is about a mile square. And the park was in my estimation, about half of that. And you were sitting on a bench and I had my camera and you were sitting on a bench.

And as I walked by you, you asked me if was a photographer. And I said, yes. And I came back and talked to you. First of all, I asked if I could take your picture. And then we started talking. Do you remember that? Do you remember that's how we met?

Yanto (46:33.922)

Sure, vividly.

I was sitting on my bench and was relaxing. was kind of like a... my mind was wondering about what would I do in the coming year. And I saw you coming towards my direction. But something strange. How come as if there was an energy, something different in you that I need to like to talk to you, that you attract me to talk to you, to connect to you.

It's very difficult to say about these energy things, but I feel like immediately I feel connected, that I need to connect to you. And this is I go and say, hey, are you a photographer? To begin for the conversation. And it ended up, you know, the rest of the story you can tell.

Aderonke (47:28.518)

We talked for hours, we talked for hours. We just sat on that bench and talked for hours. And I was just fascinated by everything that I was learning from you. I remember there were people all around us and you said to me that you can, based on the way people were walking, can diagnose some of their medical or physical ailments.

And I wanted to learn more. I found that fascinating. you told me, you pointed out different people, the way they walked, if they walked a certain way. And I just really thoroughly enjoyed our conversation and made sure that we stayed in contact with each other because I wanted to continue learning from you. And so this leads us here.

to our conversation. And I know we've talked in the last two years. So I will say for the record, I truly appreciate you saying yes to being interviewed for the podcast. Because I'm hoping, and I think our listeners have learned a lot already from you as a healer.

Yanto (48:48.244)

Yeah, it's a honor for me to be in this podcast and I really like to prepare myself as much as possible for this one. And hopefully people can learn from this experience or whatever what I said. This is very, very important for their future health and we have to see.

if this one is really good for me or not. But it's difficult to tell because as a lay people, you always trust everybody, you know, or whatever. But actually it can be dangerous as well if you don't know the other side. We really have to open our mind to know which one is good for us. Like when you are hungry,

and you need some food, you have to choose which one that you want to go. If you go to the Japanese restaurant, you would not get any pizza there. And if you go to the Italian restaurant, they don't sell sushi. You really have to think about it, you know?

with the sushi make you sick or with the pizza make you sick or the spaghetti make you sick. So you have to see what is it, what is that, what is the result. But to come to this way of thinking is very difficult. First, people have no knowledge about that. And the second, they're just hopeless and want to be fast. There's no prevention for them.

to think more. Maybe from the education also. And they don't know about, that is another way of doing that.

Aderonke (50:45.41)

So Yanto, sorry, I wanna ask about your self-care. What do you do, what self-care practices or strategies help you to sustain your energy and motivation while navigating your journey? What do you do to keep yourself healthy?

Yanto (50:46.674)

Bye.

Yanto (51:04.19)

So first of all is, yeah, please, first of all is my food. I really have to take care of my food. I myself, I scared.

from testing my kind's Wow! Always, always, always weakened by this one. Always, always weakened by this one. So, I have to make sure I don't want to take this one as much as I can.

So after repeating, know, people come to see me with something strange and for years, I don't know how many years, you can take 10 or 20 years like that. And it was because of one food that we taken that didn't understand it, didn't know that it can affect that one. It's something incredible. After that, you stop this one and see how is it. And then they told me, hey, it's never come back anymore.

Just by simple things. But of course, everybody is different. Everybody is different. We have to see that one. But I myself, I see from the common food to common people. And from that, I decided, hey, I really have to take care of myself so I can help my family, my friends, my patients like that. If not, who else? And

This is from the food and also for the physical. I do hashing. I go to the nature. I walk, I run or whatever it is. And also I swim in the pool. And recently, Adhra Rangga, it was just on Sunday. It's just past Sunday on the 12th of January. It was the...

Yanto (53:00.64)

celebration of my club, my hashing club. So we celebrate in SOS children's village for the orphanage. So for that we donate money and things for them and also we did this kind of run or whatever and there was one thing called Super Run. It was 19.4.

19 from 3 kilometers. And there were about maybe 50, 50 participants in the super long run on the trail. And I was one of them. And whoever can finish this 27, the first 27 people who can...

achieve this 19.3k, we win a t-shirt. I was one of them. I was 19th. Thank you. So I was so happy. There was a 19th. And compared to others, you know, they're young or whatever, and then they couldn't finish or they at the middle and they didn't want to participate too far and they couldn't achieve that.

Aderonke (54:08.322)

Congratulations. Congratulations.

Yanto (54:28.345)

So this is what I really a challenge for me. The most challenge before was 15 kilometers for me. And now I, last Sunday was 19.3. I was able to achieve it.

Aderonke (54:42.914)

Congratulations. And so, Yanto, how might sharing your experiences of success and growth create a positive ripple effect in your family, community, the world?

Yanto (54:44.61)

Thank you.

Yanto (54:58.165)

Well,

This is what we have to see.

We need to to know that if we cannot take care, if we keep going with our way of healing, whatever is the method, and we never come to the destination, we never get healed, we need to think about other ways, open our mind.

Yanto (55:31.029)

Look for another way.

So the body will tell you the body always want to be the best.

so that we can go to the... The body always want to be the best for it. And we have to see, this doesn't help me. So I have to try another one. So if they keep continue, they will never arrive. But if you want to fly from, say, New York to Bermuda, you use American airline, and it never arrive. You need to think about going to Bermuda with ship.

with both, things like that. So another way, another way and see how is it. So this is, I would suggest people to try to learn this way, not focus on one way only. Open their mind, there are many ways, know, an alternative way. It's not only one, there are many of them.

Aderonke (56:12.984)

Mm-hmm.

Yanto (56:38.142)

So see which one works for them and which one is the safest for their body, not so invasive. And we really need to look for the root causes of the problem, not just symptomatic treatment.

Yanto (56:55.838)

So we really have to see what causes this, what causes that. Is it a symptomatic? Is it a root cause of treatment? Because with only symptomatic treatment, we will never reach till the end. It will only for one or two days or one week you feel good, but later on when this effect of this way of treatment gone, then it come back again. That means the symptomatic.

Aderonke (57:16.974)

and

Yanto (57:24.316)

If the root cause is already taken away, then it will never come back anymore. So really, really people have to think about the way symptomatic or the root causes the treatment is.

Aderonke (57:40.982)

And so what exciting opportunities do you see on the horizon and how do these opportunities align with your passions and aspirations?

Yanto (57:52.583)

Well, now there's internet and there's super fast whatever it is, also with the podcast things. So it will reach more people in the world. people are interested to contact me, for instance, they can go to my website or my email or my WhatsApp number, like that.

Aderonke (58:20.087)

And I will make sure that I have all of your information to put on the website with your podcast interview.

Yanto (58:32.496)

Okay, thank you.

Aderonke (58:34.326)

And so, Yanto, we're getting to the end of our conversation. What book recommendation do you have? It could be a book you've read recently or something that has stayed with you over the years.

Yanto (58:49.874)

So there are many, several categories of the book that I like. So such as about health, about self-help book, about the others. So for the health book, I would say Barbara O'Neill is very good to follow. The author is Barbara O'Neill. She's a doctor in Australia. She wrote a book called, Sustained Me.

and also another one is self-heal by design. And another one is about food, I would say a genius food by Max Lugafey. So that would be a good one, I would say. Of course there are many other books, but I would say this is what I can think about at this moment. And with the self-heal book,

The most famous now, I would say, Atomic Habit by James Clear. Everybody knows about this. Yeah. And then with others, already long time that I always, always admire. I've been reading it more than 10 times, which is, I would say everybody knows it, The Little Prince, Saint by Saint Exupéry. I think you know this already. Everybody know this. They even make it into the movie.

Aderonke (59:48.398)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Aderonke (01:00:13.315)

Mm-hmm.

Yanto (01:00:13.774)

And another one, you could say metaphysical or whatever, something makes you think something out of your box, which is the autobiography of a yogi, by Yogi Nanda. So this book really said, how come in this world possible to have people like that?

Aderonke (01:00:27.246)

Mmm.

Yanto (01:00:38.224)

You know, people that don't eat for long time, for years, never eat food, or people couldn't be put in a prison. They can always escape and people can be in two places at the same time. If you read about the autobiography, you know, I believe this kind of story.

You know, if they say, it's impossible, but I believe this one. And it is good to believe this kind of the fairy tale. would say, if you want to call it fairy tale.

Aderonke (01:01:17.898)

And so, sorry, Yanto, finish, please finish.

Yanto (01:01:18.32)

So this is a...

Yanto (01:01:23.052)

Yeah, I would say that is all that I can remember. Of course, there's another one. It's about the kung fu. I love the Chinese kung fu, the story and also the movie. They make it into the movie. I just love the story behind it. Even if it is a fight or whatever, but it's a different way of fighting. People can jump up to the roof or...

fly or whatever it's kind of like fantasy movie and the way they play the sword for me is a exercise this is not a really killing or whatever anyway this is

I'll do you a second.

Aderonke (01:02:04.846)

And is there an author, is there a particular book about kung fu that you recommend?

Yanto (01:02:11.733)

Well, there are three books, I would say three serial books. It's a mix-up between the history, the real history, the characters, some of them are really alive in this world, but the author changed it into a different character. But this person, these persons, they are real, they exist, so they put it into this...

mixed up with the history and the story like that. there's the Condor Herald.

and another one is the dragon blade

Aderonke (01:03:04.302)

Okay. Thank you.

Yanto (01:03:05.311)

Bless you. So this is the one, this is the one that the, it's not only the story was really fascinating, but the philosophy behind all of this, we really have to be kind, we really have to become a good. All this Kung Fu story is based on the good things offer the bad things. Good people offer the bad people.

And this really teaches me or changed me a lot. I would say I got brainwashed by all this philosophy in this book also, and how to heal people, how to be kind and like that.

Aderonke (01:03:49.816)

So, Yanto, we're coming to the end of our conversation. Is there anything else? Do you have any final thoughts?

Yanto (01:03:59.211)

The final thought is again, we really have to go to see the food that we eat and we really need to do very very very important is we need to prevent our body from falling apart. Before that we really have to prevent. Don't do the healing, don't do the treatment.

the curing. Much better to do the prevention. So even you feel like good, your body, but get a check up.

Yanto (01:04:42.186)

There's a saying, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. By Benjamin Franklin. So, if you come to the cure, that's already a little bit too much. But if you can prevent it, it's much easier and also cheaper. You don't have to go through all this pain and all this anger or whatever because your body doesn't follow what you want. so, prevention, prevention, prevention.

and looking for the root causes of the one element of the case. Symptomatic doesn't go away and you always have to pay more. You suffer a long time and with all the side effects and things like that. In my treatment, there's also something that the...

We really have to take care of our not only the food, we take care of our mind and also our physical also. So this is why in my body, in myself, I do the meditation to take care of my stress. I do the exercises, hashing or running or swimming for my physical.

And then the third with my diet is my chemical part. So this kind of health is very important to take care of these three parts of our body. Because if one part of our body is out, for instance, you have a very good diet and you meditate all the time, no stress. But if you don't do exercises, it is useless. But if you keep doing exercises and you meditate it,

But you have a bad food, it's also not good because one of them will be out. This trial of health is really, really important. So we have to take care of these things.

Aderonke (01:06:43.086)

Yento, thank you. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, for sharing bits and pieces of your practice so that people can really understand the importance of looking after themselves and the role that food plays in our body as far as our health is concerned. And so I end thanking you. And I know that...

We're on a 12 hour time difference, you and Bali and me here in Bermuda. And this is the start of your day. I wanna just talk about the three appreciation nuggets that I got from our conversation. And the first is looking at, have to...

open our minds to know what is good within us. That's the first thing. And when you talk about illness and getting and becoming well, don't focus on one thing only, look for the root causes of the problems, not just the symptoms. the last nugget is I'm taking from something you just said.

Don't do the healing, do the prevention.

Yanto (01:08:13.176)

That's it.

Aderonke (01:08:14.734)

Yanto, thank you so much for your time. I've appreciated our conversation and I appreciate you taking the time to join me on A.B. Wilson's Heart of the Matter, a podcast dedicated to asking overwhelmingly positive questions as we uncover incredible stories of people you may know. Yanto, thank you so much.

Yanto (01:08:39.716)

Thank you to you too, Adhra Ranga. It's pleasure, an honor really for me and so good to see you again.

Aderonke (01:08:47.189)

It's wonderful to see you. Take care.

Yanto (01:08:50.03)

Take care, Tzuyu. Thank you, Mao.