Swipe Right on Common Sense, Not Just Hot Faces

Host Elke explores modern dating dynamics with millennial guest Sarah, diving into how feminism has changed relationships and exploring the reality of hookup culture across generations.

• Dating apps have created both opportunities and challenges in the modern dating landscape
• Sarah shares personal experiences with "situationships" and the difficulty of finding authentic connection
• Single motherhood provided the host a unique perspective on independence versus partnership
• The conversation addresses how height preferences and filtering on dating apps affect relationship opportunities
• Both women agree confidence matters more than physical attributes in attraction
• Chivalry and modern feminism can coexist when viewed through the lens of mutual respect and courtesy
• Dating involves practice and putting yourself out there to build confidence and meet new people
• Guest emphasizes the importance of men making effort in dating rather than expecting women to do all the work

Text your questions and comments about this episode for a follow-up segment on dating across generations. 

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome and Introduction
• 1:23 Feminism and the Hookup Culture
• 5:22 Single Motherhood and Dating Perspective
• 9:13 Dating Apps and Meeting Authentically
• 14:49 Height Preferences and Dating Challenges
• 20:12 Chivalry, Effort, and Modern Dating
• 26:56 Podcast Wrap-up and Shoutouts

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Bow, chicka, wow, wow, what's up? Party people. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Elkivate your Life. I am your hostess, with the mostess L is in the letter L and T as in the key to your heart as in the key to your heart, and I am so excited that we have a special guest in the house Audience. Please welcome my dear friend Sarah. Sarah, welcome to the show.

Speaker 1: 0:37

Hello, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for joining us. I'm so glad you're here and Chanel is here, guys, but we had a long day.

Speaker 1: 0:45

Yeah, she's chilling like a villain right now. This is my first podcast Exciting. You're going to sound fabulous, you're going to love it. You're going to be like, okay, I need to be on more often. So what I want to talk to you about today is something that has been burning up social media, talking about feminism and the hookup culture and the different generations, and I want to find out, since you're a millennial right, yes, yes, what are your thoughts on this topic? Have listened to it? Have you listened to any of the pods that are out?

Speaker 2: 1:26

there about it. I've listened to a few, but I definitely think um. So Elkie and I both share um our birthdays this week and I will be 30 and I'm single. So I definitely like I feel the pressure today, but then I'm also sometimes like I feel so and like I still wanted to use so much as a woman.

Speaker 2: 1:46

Yeah, so I agree with the feminist part, but I also, you know, I think a lot of what generations I've gotten away from is just like wanting to fall in love, wanting to like be in love and having that be the commitment, right, right.

Speaker 1: 2:03

Yeah, be the commitment, because right, right, yeah and so, okay. So you and I both know and we don't have to name names that you've been in this situationship yes, thank you. Thank you for saying that for me. Um, and so well. Is he a millennial? Yeah, he is a millennial, okay, yeah, so I'm just curious, do you know what his stand? Is on it, because yeah, you're.

Speaker 2: 2:30

I mean I think like I mean he's five years my senior, so he kind of feels like it's past, like the point.

Speaker 2: 2:38

Sometimes I've even been married, so it's not like he wouldn't want to find, like we both, but I don't think marriage is like ever too late, you know when you're a great person, but also we're neither of us like even though we've been in limbo, we're not really like app dating people like both of us are super social, and so I also think that we don't take dating as serious because, like, we don't download the apps and, like put that much forth effort into dating other people like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 3:06

I love that you're talking about that, yeah sorry to talk over you, but you're talking about the apps, because I I had to research all the different apps depending on depending on the generation right we got or what you're into. Yeah, and there's actually one for, like my generation, which baby boomer?

Speaker 2: 3:31

You're a Gen Y.

Speaker 1: 3:33

Gen Y. Yeah, okay, sorry guys. I get so confused when we start talking about all these different generations, but there's actually one that's called coffee time. Coffee time, so it's like for yeah for the you know more mature.

Speaker 2: 3:46

Yeah, well, there's like all religions and even like, if you're in a different tax bracket, like raya's meant for, like famous people and like millionaires interesting okay, you just shared one that I didn't even know about. Yeah, right and there's a lot of like socialites, athletes that are on there and stuff, because it's a different tax bracket, so you're not meeting. You know, just normal people like right, they're not coming after your money, kind of thing.

Speaker 1: 4:13

okay, that's so interesting see, the more we talk about it, the more I want to know about it. So, would you okay? So let me just share this for a minute. And, by the way, guys, I don't want to forget this, since she mentioned it, it is our birthday week. So shout out to our fellow Cancers, our fellow Crabs. Mine is Thursday, july 17th, yours is Friday.

Speaker 2: 4:40

Yeah, we're back to back Right.

Speaker 1: 4:42

So shout out to our fellow Cancers, don't want to forget about them. But this is kind of an interesting topic. So my friend Travis, who is a loyal listener, brought this up and said to talk about this topic Because he thinks that the feminism like ruined him and his opportunities because women and I'm going to put myself in that position for a minute. Um, so here's the thing, guys. I was a single mom, not really by choice, I mean, I didn't want to do it on my own, but I kind of feel like I I'm like on the fence with the whole feminism thing because I had to do things on my own. But I kind of feel like I'm like on the fence with the whole feminism thing because I had to do things on my own.

Speaker 2: 5:27

Like I didn't have a choice. I had to raise them.

Speaker 1: 5:31

I had to raise my son and daughter without any help, and so, quite frankly, this is that's why I wanted to have you as a guest. Because, on the one hand, I'm like I didn't have you as a guest, because, on the one hand, I'm like, uh, I didn't have a choice in the matter. I had to be the mom and the dad, and so the whole hookup culture is kind of foreign to me. I know people that participate in it and have high body count. Um, but yeah, I'm just curious. So it sounds like you haven't given up on love, hope, dating.

Speaker 2: 6:10

No, I mean like I will say going through like college and experiences like you definitely have your freedom, so there's definitely like hookup culture going on there.

Speaker 2: 6:20

But I will say like I don't know if I feel as comfortable to go out and participate at the older that I get, just because you feel less comfortable with people in that way, like when you're young you're meeting everybody and you're just like what you know and it's just that the time.

Speaker 2: 6:34

But, um, I definitely kind of think that like as we move forward, like gen um z, like they're gonna get away from hookup culture, because hookup culture started in the 90s and I feel like it's kind of faded out. But I mean also, like you brought up, that has to do with a lot of feminism, um, and like the feminist movement, because I mean, even when I was like just a few years ago, I'm like I'm making my own money, like I don't need a man, like unless, like you're on the competitive side. But now I'm like gosh, like two incomes would be nice, but also I'm putting like love first. So it's like I still, you know, want that to be like the main priority, but it is like it's not easy, for like a lot of households don't have two incomes anymore and like there's more single people buying homes than ever, and you know that's just the way wealth and love is changing okay.

Speaker 1: 7:26

Well, I just thought of somebody. Thank you for that. You actually know someone that's like a boss babe and we're not going to be dropping any names here today, um, but you know someone that's a boss babe that's basically doing it on her own and kind of like in the situation that I was in.

Speaker 1: 7:43

So I just I don't know. It's like I feel bad for you guys and the Travis's out there that are struggling Like we can't meet your expectations and there definitely are some high expectations. I will say that I personally have some friends that are boomers, right, and they're like oh, six, five, you know, six figures, blue eyes, this, that Like. So I just feel like we've gotten away from that authentically meeting someone.

Speaker 2: 8:28

Emotionally available people too, right Just for the looks.

Speaker 1: 8:31

Yes, and I feel like when you create such a huge specific, tailored list based on surface level stuff, you might be limiting yourself.

Speaker 2: 8:45

My mom says I'll always be happy if I'm less picky, but then I've said it again. Oh really.

Speaker 1: 8:49

That's interesting that my mom says I'll always be happy if I'm less picky.

Speaker 2: 8:52

But then I've said oh, really, that's interesting that your mom says that. Well, she says I don't pick the best, but then I'm also like, what you would pick I would never like. I just she's like it's all about personality, but I'm like, if I have to wake up and look at them every day, like I want them to be at least somewhat good looking yes, yes, looks definitely come in, but I also like I don't think I'm, I'm not shallow to the point of like, oh, I would never, ever like give things a try.

Speaker 2: 9:15

I mean, I have yeah, I've gone on blend dates and you know stuck them out and everything like that. So it's not like I'm shallow but it's also, I know like what personalities and humor and charisma makes me comfortable and that's's what I'm attracted to.

Speaker 1: 9:29

Right, so it's like the energy and the personality, but obviously looks are important.

Speaker 2: 9:37

Yeah, if I have to put on makeup, then come on. Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 1: 9:41

Yes, I agree with you. That's interesting. We're talking about that because people you know will make reference about my husband and I all the time like that we're in different. How can I put this delicately, that we're in different brackets, right? I don't know. Am I using the right word, correct?

Speaker 2: 10:04

me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1: 10:06

But I will say that I like you look to where the heart is, but also I want somebody that makes me laugh and yeah, you got to be attracted to him. But you know, hindsight is 20-20. And I'm like I would have never given him a second look, but I liked his energy and his personality and his sense of humor and all that stuff.

Speaker 2: 10:30

Sometimes that takes over more like and it's more powerful, like when you meet them in public, that you noticed that before right you know right their looks ever or anything like that.

Speaker 1: 10:39

Yes, I agree A hundred percent. You know the other thing that you said? This is kind of interesting. I'm talking about looks, because looks I mean, yeah, you want to wake up and be like, oh, he's so cute or hot or whatever, right. But I tell Mr all the time like all of this is going to fade and I still need to be able to like you and you still have to be able to like me.

Speaker 2: 11:05

So I think I think your opinions are so valid and relevant and that more people should be open to looking for somebody yeah like that and it's interesting that I don't know if guys would look at that as like feminist um you know what I mean sticking to your guns until you're like holding out for that one.

Speaker 2: 11:25

But it's also it's like you know just as much as like women have grown and like have had to work's also it's like you know just as much as like women have grown and like have had to work to maintain their confidence, that you know to be these independent people. It's like men also have to do that as well, and like. Obviously we don't see it as much, but it's like we're both like competing for confidence to go up to a person.

Speaker 1: 11:45

Yes, I agree, that's one of the things that I always think about too, because I got to tell you throughout high school and I didn't go to college like yourself but throughout school and even into my 20s, I don't think I got my full confidence until I hit 30. And I remember saying yes to anybody that asked me to dance or asked me out, because I'm like I could put myself in their shoes, where it is scary to approach a stranger and go up to them and, you know, get rejected. Like for for both parties, right, the woman and the man. So For both parties, right, the woman and the man. So wow, okay. Well, so what are your so? Do you have any friends that are in like the hookup culture?

Speaker 2: 12:38

shall we say? I mean I have like a few friends that like participate in it, but I mean a lot of. It is also like a few of them do go on dates regularly from apps.

Speaker 2: 12:47

So it's not like they're like hooking up off the bat. I would say I have like more friends that date like okay, and I look up to them for that because I'm, you know, not going on the apps or anything like that, right. Um, but I like do have friends that like actively go on it and they actually do meet like great people off of it, like whether or not it's turned into like a relationship.

Speaker 2: 13:06

Um, they've still met like good quality people out there and it's like sometimes, even when you've moved, like dating apps aren't the worst, be like if you're in a city or just like in a new spot, because, like some people just want to go on like a day date and try things and like, right, you know, and it needs to be sometimes looked at as a way just to become social again and not just hooking up or dating after it.

Speaker 1: 13:28

You know what I mean, it helps you practice how to treat each other during.

Speaker 1: 13:33

Yes, I agree, that's one of the things why I said yes when I ended that long relationship prior to getting married is I was like I'm just going to say yes to everybody, whether I'm attracted to them or not. Sorry, guys, but it wasn't that I didn't find them attractive. I was like I don't know if they're my type or and I just tried to like erase the idea of a type, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. I'm like what if they're a quality person? What if they're? What if they end up being a good friend or introducing me to their best friend, who I fall in love with? You know what I mean? Those are the kinds of things that I thought of.

Speaker 1: 14:14

And I have to say, jeff Parra and Jeff Parra and Ron Castilla, if you're listening which I know, jeff, you are, because he is a subscriber Um, and I would not have thought that we would have gone out on a date and had a great time, and let me tell you, he showed up like a grown up. In fact, he interjected when we were sitting. I was trying to invite our friends to join our table and they were kind of like poo, pooing us away and he was like come on, like he stepped in and was the man and was like just come and sit with us, like stop being, you know, in your feels yeah no, inclusive was super inclusive.

Speaker 1: 14:58

And I have to tell you, by the end of the night I couldn't walk through the parking lot through my heels and this guy picked me up and carried me to the car.

Speaker 2: 15:05

So we love. Yes, shout out to Jeff for that.

Speaker 1: 15:09

So I guess what I'm trying to say is you can't always judge a book by its cover and it is good to go out and meet people and go on dates and, like what you said, practice dating. That's one of the things that I said. I'm like it's just like interviewing you have to practice it, right.

Speaker 2: 15:26

Yeah, no, and like a lot of people like it's like don't always feel comfortable with even getting to that point because they want to feel comfortable with themselves. But I promise you, if you throw yourself out there, it will help with your confidence. And also just knowing that there's opportunities out there like even if you realize you're not ready to date or like really don't want to be in a relationship, like at least you're like pushing yourself to go out there because, I mean, we're all meant to interact with one another. Yeah, and you know it's not like we want every like everyone to be alone because of this or that, but uh, definitely pushing yourself to go out there, dress up a little bit and put yourself out there will definitely like help you and your confidence yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1: 16:09

I feel like you should be taking your own advice.

Speaker 2: 16:12

I know.

Speaker 1: 16:13

I really should, I really should.

Speaker 2: 16:14

I know a lot. After this, I'm downloading Tinder.

Speaker 1: 16:19

Only because I think, well, I don't even think you need the apps, because I've seen my girl, sarah, in action and this girl needs no help. Like we go out and she is just a people magnet.

Speaker 2: 16:31

They can look, but they can't touch. I know.

Speaker 1: 16:33

I know, but I'm just saying you have mastered the art of socializing and making it look so easy, like I. I admire and respect that about you so much, being that it took me to the age 30. And you just go out and you're like, hey, what do you do, what's your job? And you just come out and you're like, hey, what do you do, what's your job? Blah, blah, blah. And you just come with the questions and I'm like I love her.

Speaker 2: 16:55

I never stop talking, so there's really no option.

Speaker 1: 16:59

But you are very engaging and I feel like you ask important questions and there is an art to it. Yeah, an art to it, yeah, and I feel like that has gotten lost. Yeah, with, um, not meeting people authentically, or I, you know, I don't know what I personally didn't have good experiences using the apps we're talking back when zoos you probably don't even know about it. Yeah but it was through Facebook and, um, I actually did end up getting up getting in like a long-term relationship from it, but it wasn't a healthy one.

Speaker 2: 17:36

I do have a friend from college. I lived with her for a year but she ended up meeting her current husband on tinder and we all thought it was like crazy because tinder was new and we were like it's just like a hookup app and like we didn't believe it. But like they literally like, met through Tinder, started dating in college and married and have kids now.

Speaker 1: 17:57

So there's a success story there we go Okay, I like it. I like it yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:04

There is hope for us.

Speaker 1: 18:06

Okay, that's good to know.

Speaker 1: 18:07

Well, the ones I did were like Yahoo dating or something like that, and Zeus and I have to tell you and I probably shouldn't be telling on myself right now, but the Yahoo guy was like eager to pursue and then didn't show up for the date, and the Zeus guy I had a relationship with and that was a train wreck. But you know, we learn from our mistakes. I guess we're still friends to this day, so it wasn't a total train wreck. It wasn't a total train wreck. Yeah, in fact, he still remembers Brooklyn, my daughter, she still remembers him and you know I have a lot of fond memories from that relationship. It just, yeah, it didn't end well and there were definitely some unhealthy things, but you learn you grow.

Speaker 2: 18:57

I mean a lot of people are pretty upset about Tinder doing the height adjustments. So if you're like a woman, I'm pretty sure I'm assuming I could be for men too. But once you create your profile you can set your limits at the height so like if you would never date anybody that's like 5'2. You can put that as like like I only would date like 5'5 and above or something like that. Okay, like a lot of people in society are looking at as like a part of the feminist movement and shallow making it harder for men to date because like you can't meet your short king if you don't put right five and below right.

Speaker 1: 19:35

That's interesting, because what's the show? Oh uh, bachelor in paradise or whatever I watched that I haven't watched the love island stuff addicting but am I a papaya one last night?

Speaker 2: 19:46

but I haven't watched it, I've just seen it all over Instagram. Okay, yeah, I've been seeing.

Speaker 1: 19:51

Yeah and now I'm like I'm, I want to watch it and it's practically over. But this is what I do know about. The hype thing is that that has been a popular topic and even the women that were on Bachelor in Paradise. They did a little game where people had to, like put stickers on what statements they agreed with. And the woman, one of the women said um, over five, five, but up to six, two, like she gave this weird bracket and jesse, the host, was asking her like what's with this? And she's like I don't want to turn my short king away, but I also want athlete kids, yeah, so but you never know, you're gonna meet like you don't know what's in store.

Speaker 2: 20:36

And like I mean, I I'm a taller woman, I'm 5'10, so like I definitely have had challenges ever being like, uh, like who's crossed my path being taller than me. But I will say like most of the guys I've dated have been like same height as me or something, so it's like, but it's also there, they're not like insecure people If I was to wear heels or something like, oh damn, like you're taller than me or like anything like that. Cause that's like a huge point, that like if you're a taller woman, a man is shorter. Like they need to be confident with themselves that you can wear what you want right your stuff right and it's for them so that's interesting.

Speaker 1: 21:13

You say so, you are literally my mom's height. My mom was like five, ten and a half and back in her day god rest her soul. She's up in heaven. But she told me that was the biggest challenge is in her day. She was like nobody picked me at the dances because she was taller than them and so it was hard for her to date so she, I was the same height, if not taller than, like most boys through middle school so did you date anybody that was shorter? Have you dated?

Speaker 2: 21:42

like in middle school, and I'd say, like you know, I'm like same height as like a few people I've dated like the last, like few years, uh-huh, but I would say the shortest was ever in like middle school, just because, like, if I liked a boy and they liked me, I was like I'm sorry, like you're 200 shorter, but I like you. Oh my god, wow, yeah, and they were just like it's cool, you're tall and I'm like thanks, like I don't know yeah, yeah, I could see.

Speaker 1: 22:10

Yeah, I would feel weird about that.

Speaker 2: 22:12

But it's like we're in middle school. It's not like we I like right. No, I can't even see.

Speaker 1: 22:19

And I. This is like something I can't relate to, cause I I say I'm five four on a good day with heels.

Speaker 2: 22:26

So really I'm five, three and a half so I, so I had no idea, you were 5'10 to me, everybody's tall and I continued growing because, like runners, they're fee and, like generally, they do continue to grow, like over the years so I graduated high school at 5'9, so that's what I need to do is start running stretch it out, girl, or just stretch.

Speaker 1: 22:50

I don't know. Do you think it would work at? The ripe age of 57?.

Speaker 2: 22:53

I don't know. I never thought I'd continue to grow. I was like, please stop, maybe I should Google that. That's a good tip Okay.

Speaker 1: 23:00

People don't believe me when I say I've lost weight and I can't wear my shoes anymore because she's a tiny little girl. Well, my feet, your feet, shrink and they're like your feet. Actually I'm like hello, you have fat in your feet, believe it or not? Yeah, it's crazy. Okay. So, wow, you have taught me a lot. This has been so enlightening. So where do you think you're going to go from here? Just curious Now that we've been talking about all this dating stuff.

Speaker 2: 23:31

I mean like I'm okay. So I definitely have been like feeling the happiest I've been in a while, like just like working out. It's like a huge part of like my mental health and I've been really consistent with that over the last like couple months. So as my confidence grows, the closer I'll get to like putting myself out there. So I don't like I don't want to put a time limit on it, but you know um do you feel like you're open, like if somebody?

Speaker 2: 23:52

approached. Yeah, I just like want, like I've been like dm'd on Instagram by, like people that I went to high school with and I'm like open to it, but then like I'm not gonna make the effort for the date. Like if I say like oh, I'm available this weekend and then like you don't message, then there's that. So it's not like I'm not like entertaining it, it's just like I know I will have to probably be the one to approach and I just, you know, I'm just going to break from it, from a little bit.

Speaker 1: 24:16

Right, right, okay. So you are kind of like in the same position as me, in that you want the man to ask you.

Speaker 2: 24:25

Oh well, just like make the effort, like I'll come pick you up if, like I'm, if, if I'm like, oh, come, like we can grab drinks or a bite or something and like the bay, if they're not even like from here, or if they're from the valley or something and we meet halfway. But it's like you've got to communicate, to make the effort because, like you're taking somebody out on a date, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 24:44

This is, this is where it's. I definitely, oh my God, okay, I got to share a story since we're going on this path. So in my high school days, living with single mom, um, my boyfriend would come to pick me up and he would honk and she would say that's a beep, beep doorbell, like my dad would not even let me.

Speaker 2: 25:12

Yeah, she was like that I'm not.

Speaker 1: 25:14

I'm not going to use the word because it's not a nice word, but she was basically saying your man needs to come to the door for you and I was like, well, you know, my mom was kind of tough. She was like, well, you don't see it back then you know, or at that time, right, right.

Speaker 1: 25:30

And at the time I was just like I'm ready to go and he's honking and he don't, we don't need any fancy introductions. But now that I think about it, I'm ready to go and he's honking and we don't need any fancy introductions. But now that I think about it, I'm like he absolutely should make the first move, make the call, knock on the door.

Speaker 2: 25:43

Knock on the door.

Speaker 1: 25:44

Yes, and I feel like guys have gotten lazy and a lot of these women are making it easy for them Like, oh yeah, just come over to Netflix and chill, like what A lot of women pay for men too these days.

Speaker 2: 25:58

Yeah, yeah, I think like it's. A lot of things have been role reversed, but, yeah, stick to your guns.

Speaker 1: 26:04

I do think that chivalry is not dead and I think that it's a life support. Yeah, I think it's important for the man to I see. This is where I struggle with it.

Speaker 2: 26:17

It's like how can I be a feminist if I also believe that chivalry is not dead and I want my man to open my door and like, yeah, that's why I say look at that as like common courtesy, because it's like even off like a first date, like a tinder first date or something like that that I would do if I met somebody. I probably just like offer to split the bill, like you know what I mean like so, like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 26:38

So it's like meet me halfway of like expecting that kind of like response if you didn't like the date. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like we're all trying to meet each other there to see if it works out. If it doesn't, doesn't it right?

Speaker 1: 26:49

okay, I think that's fair. Yeah, so you wouldn't be open. Well, what if the guy is like, oh no, I'm paying for the date. Are you gonna let him? Yeah?

Speaker 2: 26:57

of course, like I'm not gonna like ask more than once okay, okay, more than once okay, because then there's a gentleman, he's like no, no, like right.

Speaker 1: 27:05

See that, points yes that's where I feel like a lot of there are a lot of women that are like I got my own money, I can buy my own drink. It's like, girl, put your money away and let this man pay for you. I know.

Speaker 2: 27:17

I brought my brother a Taco Bell yesterday. I was like, why did I do that? Why did I do that? He is older than me, it makes me a lot more. What? Yeah, see, I was like this is the cheapest thing I could buy.

Speaker 1: 27:27

So anyways, oh, that's a great example. No, that's true. See, that goes back to like what we're used to doing, that right, we're just kind of like used to being giving kind, caring people, and I mean it's your brother, so it's a little bit different yeah, I mean yeah yeah, and it was Taco Bell, so it wasn't steak and lobster. Okay, well, I feel like we made a lot of progress on this topic. Now I feel like've got to come for a follow-up.

Speaker 2: 27:57

I know, I know We've got to like nitpick after yeah, oh my gosh Experimental day. Right, we've got to nitpick one of the topics. If any of the listeners want to comment what they like the most, we can pick up. Yes.

Speaker 1: 28:10

I love that idea. I love that idea. Let me make sure that I give a shout out to all my loyal listeners, subscribers. I never know who to say first, so let me switch it up this time. Dr Kyle, professor Kyle, my friend, kyle Few, who put out the book Audible Commitment to Love Love is a verb. You should read it. Actually, I'm I'm I'm saying that because, well, honestly, I think everybody should read it, just because it talks about not just how to love yourself, which is so important for all of us, and not, I don't feel like enough of us do that but also just that love is a commitment and and that it's not just about providing it water. You have to provide. Well, you're a plant person, so this is a great analogy for you, right? You have to provide it water. The water, the appropriate sunlight, correct nutrients for its soil. Yes, yes, all the things that I suck at. I kill every plant, including an aloe vera, which is like how do I kill an aloe?

Speaker 2: 29:23

vera, my mom's dried it out, but you just have to add like a crap ton of water to it to revive them okay, alright, too bad, I got rid of that one but that's good to know for future reference.

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Anyway, shout out to Kyle. Kyle Few, you can find his Audible on Amazon. Commitment to love Love is a verb. Roger, roger Haven, also a fellow plant grower. He grows flowers, plants, and he's always displaying all his stuff on his social media. So shout out to Roger. Lisa Roberts Carbello, I hope to see you at the birthday party this Friday. Wise Girls, east Bay Groove Line what, what? And Mike Kaufman. Of course I got to give a shout out to my hubby. I'm not really talking about his company too much because you know I haven't heard back about the sponsorship, so I'm just going to say thank you, mike. Thank you, mr Jeff Pata Namaste. Always appreciate your sound grounding, meditation advice. And Angie Germer of Thrive Level up, level up your fitness. She sponsors all natural supplements that basically fill the nutritional gaps too. I've actually been using her products and I don't know if they're working on the muscle.

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I'll let you know, Angie. I don't know.

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The jury's still out on that one. And last but not least, my girl, kara lovemyartistetsycom. She has got some amazing products, honestly everything that's on her page I want, from the leather boots to the backpack that you can put your laptop in. It's purple, black, white, zebra. I'll have to show it to you. I yeah, I'm obsessed, but I can't afford it yet, Kara, because it's from Italy. It's all leather, but you should check out her page. She's got a lot of great stuff there. And did I forget anybody else? Let me just go through my Rolodex and my Spongebob brain files. Okay, I think that's everybody.

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Well, thank you, thank you, thank you so much. We got to do a follow-up segment on this.

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I really feel like we got to do a follow-up segment. I'll be back. Yeah, we got to do it, and in the meantime, please be sure to text in your questions your comments. Do you have any feedback on this, travis? I know you will. But, yes, I would love to hear from all the different generations. Okay, I guess that's it. So you know what the closing statement is. Ciao for now. Thanks, sarah, for joining us. Thank you for having me.