Embracing the New Energies of 2025

In this enlightening conversation, Nate and Ashley explore the energies surrounding the transition into 2025, emphasizing the importance of releasing judgment, embracing curiosity, and stepping into one's authentic power. They discuss the significance of shadow work, the power of choice in navigating emotional challenges, and the collective shift towards personal sovereignty. The dialogue encourages listeners to trust themselves and recognize the beauty of being true to oneself as they move forward into the new year.

Transcript

Nate (00:02.83)

Welcome everyone to Spiritual Unraveling with Ashley and Nate and Happy 2025. We're jumping on here today and we're going to have a conversation about the energy that is up for us as we're moving into this new year and the energy that has been 2024 and that we have felt.

falling off of us and maybe the energy of 2025 and the new energy that we're stepping into. And we were having an interesting conversation just before we came on about.

choice points and decisions that we can make about how easy or how difficult we want our spiritual path to be. And both Ashley and I had these moments where we, in various situations, were able to choose a path of less resistance and know that as conscious creators and as people who have

done a lot of work and are present with ourselves and are constantly in a flow of dropping from our head to our heart, that we can trust the process and trust the energy and that we can be making kind of the choiceless choices and just be more in the flow of life.

that at least for myself, and I think Ashley was echoing this a little bit, that that is one of the big things that I want to bring into 2025 is to, in essence, stop making this stuff so hard and so complicated. It's one of my perennial spiritual wishes is to just, as somebody who likes to kind of grind and has an overworking kind of brain, really embracing the idea that

Nate (02:10.327)

I have done a lot of the grinding and the work already. I don't even think that it was necessary, but my ego, pardon me, probably did. And to really trust that it's all gonna just unfold naturally and beautifully and all for the highest good if I can stay as present in as much in my heart as I possibly can. So that's the energy I'm trying to bring into 2025, my initial thoughts. Ashley, how about you?

Ashley Henderson (02:39.336)

Well, when you were talking, I was thinking that maybe one of the shifts that can happen this year is kind of taking judgment out of all of it. That there's a way that when you remove judgment from

any sort of experience, you're really opening up to a different perspective.

Nate (03:18.547)

You okay?

I can hear you fine. Your visual has paused.

Nate (03:38.696)

Okay.

Nate (04:02.77)

Are there?

Ashley Henderson (04:05.149)

Yeah. So.

Nate (04:06.971)

It says it's recording the audio, so we're good.

Ashley Henderson (04:11.569)

Yeah, we'll have to see if it... I mean, I don't know if we should start over or...

Nate (04:18.406)

No, we can cut in. The beginning part was good. You could just pick up. It has been, I can see it, and it just gave me a prompt that said, we're just going to gather the audio. Is that OK? And I said, yes. So we're good.

Ashley Henderson (04:23.263)

You think it recorded? You think it recorded?

Ashley Henderson (04:33.651)

Okay, great. Okay, help me connect back to anything I was saying. It punted.

Nate (04:39.42)

Yeah, I was punting to you and I had just set it up as, you were talking about releasing judgment. So you could pick up right there and I'll just, yeah.

Ashley Henderson (04:51.655)

Okay. Maybe I'll start over. I'll just start over what I was saying. Maybe we can, you can loop in when I picked up talking. Okay. yeah, I was thinking about when you were talking about sort of removing judgment altogether from any experience, any experience that we're having. because when we're talking about creator energy,

Nate (04:58.597)

I can, absolutely. Yep.

Ashley Henderson (05:21.395)

I don't think judgment really plays a part in creative energy. I think it's almost like you have to launch off of judgment, launch out of judgment into creator energy, letting go of expectations, letting go of recreating old patterns, right? So this example you were sharing was this earlier today going on a walk.

and really checking in with your breath and checking in with awareness and then finding your mind, noticing your mind starting to go off on tangents and then bringing it back in. And when we do that without judgment, we're just present. You could even get really curious. I wonder why the mind does that. Are you just noticing? When we do it without judgment, we actually, I think, open up this potential for

exactly what you were saying, creator energy. we open up, we bring ourselves to this precipice of true presence and sort of the unknown, you know, we're bringing in potentiality, possibility, true potentiality, true possibility. So as we're here on January 2nd, 2025, I'm really feeling that I'm feeling like

I love the idea of, you know, setting intentions, but I also am feeling this energy really strongly of...

Don't limit yourself. I don't want to limit myself because I really think that when you step into this, it's like anything is possible. And I'm so curious what that would look like if I wasn't limiting it. If my own expectations or my comfort zone of my own patterns weren't limiting the potentiality of 2025, what would it all look like?

Ashley Henderson (07:26.653)

And I know that we're always swimming with the energy of the collective. Like I don't have any interest in popping out of that or whatever, but to see what's possible, to set myself up for what's possible for my contribution, for my readiness, for my own contribution to the collective and my own potential for my own continued healing.

Nate (07:45.283)

Mm-hmm.

Ashley Henderson (07:57.842)

And yeah, kind of, I'm even getting excited just talking about it.

Nate (08:03.52)

Yeah, I love that.

the two things that popped out were one, when you were talking about judgment, I love that. I think it's very true. And I'm not disagreeing, I'm just gonna add in a caveat, because for me and the way my brain works, kind of, it is judgment, but I almost want to, for me, when I'm thinking about the essence of what you were talking about, it's like, for me, I wanna switch it to evaluation.

That constant thing that the brain likes to do, it's always evaluating. that absolutely, as you said, pulls you out of the creator mindset. And I still also want to hold space for the judgment piece because the judgment piece is an aspect of the evaluative, evaluative, I can't say that word, of that process.

And I also have this other relationship with judgment, which is moving into 2025. I'm also in a process of trying to not be so, have such a judgmental voice, inner critic wise, and have such a judgmental voice to things that I see outside of myself that I find problematic or whatever.

I'm not just, I'm just adding that word evaluation because for me it kind of parses those two little processes. And then the other word that you said that I think is so key is curiosity. Like because curiosity moves you, we've talked about this before, it moves you back into that creator mode because it moves you into a place of like playful gentleness and wonder. Like, I don't know, like what could happen 2025?

Nate (10:06.024)

And I was really feeling as you were talking about 2025 and thinking about like how good it could be, I can feel I have a rise in excitement. And then I also kind of feel an immediate tamping down of, don't go too big. And I think that's so funny. It makes me think of that Marianne Williamson quote that like, the thing that we're afraid of is

just like how powerful we can become. I can't remember the exact quote, but that's the essence of it, that the real fear that we have is truly stepping into our power. And I think that those limitations, evaluations, judgments, all of those different things are ways which we sometimes, we kind of like govern our success. put like a, it's like a speed control on there, like, whoa, you know, you don't wanna be going too crazy.

And it's nice because then if you bring in the curiosity part, it kind of goes to a different place. And that place is, well, what if I know that that stuff exists and I say, fine, you exist over here. But the curiosity part of me says, well, how good could it get? And that, I think, moves you into a really cool spot.

Ashley Henderson (11:24.277)

Yeah, I love that. I love that. You know, when you were talking, well, we were talking earlier about 2024 and all of the transformation and sort of work that happened in 2024. And a big part of 2024 for me was just this kind of conveyor belt of, don't know if you would call it shadow work or just, you know,

Nate (11:33.715)

Mm-hmm.

Ashley Henderson (11:54.159)

aspects of my personality being revealed and and then a certain amount of acceptance and and curiosity and Compassion and love for these parts of myself that Needed to come into the light needed to be seen and needed to be upgraded a little bit, you know like new information coming in and it just felt like

And I'm sure it's going to continue into 2025. It does feel like this energy of healing is accelerating. But what I think 2024 was really useful for, and it sounds like I'm digressing, but I'm going to come back. What I think 2024 was really useful for was almost developing a muscle of seeing

that shadow work, doing the work of seeing the personality and not being afraid. Not being afraid to see what's here, not being afraid to accept what was unacceptable in the past. work through shame and work through fear in terms of my own personality. I think that the...

Nate (13:02.203)

Mm-hmm.

Ashley Henderson (13:17.013)

The muscle that got developed was moving more quickly into curiosity. As you do that work, it feels like this long slog then to have to go into shame and resistance and da, da, da, da. It's like, OK, well, what if I just accept this? It's uncomfortable. There's tension. Maybe I don't want to see it. Or that old pattern of resistance comes up.

But the quicker I go into acceptance and curiosity, the more I realize that none of this stuff needs to be resisted. None of this stuff needs to be rejected. It's all part of this beautiful coming home, this beautiful kind of return to wholeness. And I think that allows us to start doing what you were saying is

becoming less judgmental of the outside. When you work on more acceptance of the inside, you're sort of less judgmental of the outside. You can move quicker into acceptance of maybe things outside of you that create that tension or that maybe you have resistance for. And gosh, there's something about that that feels like on a collective level could really bring us forward.

You know, it's hard for me to see the whole thing, but I can see the shift even in myself just in one year, how much I have shifted just that piece around acceptance and getting more comfortable with acceptance and then moving into curiosity.

Nate (15:03.085)

Yeah. Yeah, there's a part of what you're saying that's becoming clear where there's like an old paradigm of growth and expansion or even just shadow work where I think maybe some part of us, and I don't know if it's, I don't think it's coming from the spiritual world. I think it's coming from egoic structure and culture where

in order to move through certain things, you have to dip into shame or at least it's like process some of that. And we were speaking again earlier about spiritual bypassing and I have issues with that term in general, but I'm not talking about that right now. But this idea that like,

If you're really looking at yourself and you're really present with all the parts of you, there is, what you're talking about is there's an invitation to not go down the shame spiral. When you were actually saying it, it was making me think about being at an amusement park and you're walking all these paths and something happens and you're like, all right, let's get off and get on the carousel. And the carousel just.

My kids love carousels, but it's like they just go around and around and around. And I was just thinking about the shame carousel. This pathway of processing trauma and feelings, it's like almost like for me, it has felt like that has been part of my duty to work through those feelings is like hop on the shame carousel for a couple rounds. It's part of the process. And it's like, no, it's not part of the process.

It does not have to be part of the process. if we could convey that together to anybody out there and just say, don't need to spend a lot of time in shame, just that alone is so powerful because it's a feeling that just, we don't want to deny it. If it's there, you do have to have a relationship with it because it's a feeling, it's a part of you.

Nate (17:23.635)

But properly identifying it as almost certainly useless baggage put upon you by the culture and nonsense that just never resonates, which is why it's one of the most painful feelings to feel, it then can allow you to have a very different relationship with it and moving through shadow work and into acceptance and wholeness.

and not having to wallow in shame could be such a powerful transition for, know, hopefully, I feel like that's what we're talking about is moving through that. then, you know, for anybody else out there, it's, I'm offering it to you. You don't need to do it, please. Don't be afraid of the different feelings and things that come up, but also there's, yeah, I guess maybe that taps into,

codependency stuff or feeling like things need to be hard, but that kind of unnecessary layover at shame station is like, uh-uh, bypass it. And I will say bypass it because I just don't.

Ashley Henderson (18:36.571)

Totally. Totally. Well, the power, there's a power in actually having spent a lot of time on the shame carousel consciously and then being able to come up to a moment and say, well, I don't need that.

Nate (18:51.357)

Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (19:00.833)

I don't know if I need to go down there. I think this brings us back to what we were talking about before we got on today, which is having a choice. Having a choice to go on the shame carousel or not is what we're talking about. That we're sort of at this place where we can choose. And that is so, that's power. That's power.

Nate (19:10.867)

Mm-hmm.

Ashley Henderson (19:28.553)

You know, and I think that's the power of free will. That's the power of awakening. It's the power that we work, that's our birthright. It is a choice. And so part like this whole podcast is about the unraveling of the...

the conditioning that makes us feel like we don't have a choice. And all awakening is, is coming back to this choice. And you could go on the shame carousel, ride it for as long as you want. that is your choice, then that might be a completely different ride.

Nate (20:17.563)

That's true.

Ashley Henderson (20:18.557)

And you could get this is this is the invitation on retreat. Actually, is that whatever comes up on retreat is there for you to see if you ride the shame carousel and retreat for the whole time, but you're aware of it. There's going to be something you're going to come out the other side. Very different because you weren't distracting yourself from it. You weren't.

unaware, you you weren't unconscious to it. You weren't resisting it. weren't, you know, or maybe you were resisting, but you were certainly aware that you were resisting it, you know. So, so there's a way that,

You know, having that awake, aware, conscious choice is everything that we're talking about. And it changes how we then move through the world. You know, think that's the hope is that, you know, as we do this healing and awakening that we start moving through the world in a way that feels more free, that feels more in love, that feels more in peace. It sounds cheesy.

But actually, the felt experience of it, it feels great. Great to have a choice. It feels great to have that freedom. And it doesn't mean nothing bad's going to happen. It just means you have a choice about how you deal with it.

Nate (21:32.261)

Yeah.

Nate (21:45.037)

Yeah, totally. And I love that, we all, that's what being a creator is, is having choices about how you want this all to look and how you want it to go. And I love where you were just, what you were just talking about, because that was what I was wanting to lead into, which is we've touched on a little bit about what we're ready to release or how we want to be. But another thing is what kind of energy do we want to bring forward? And you were just

almost reading my mind, which is not a surprise because we talk about this stuff all the time. But really, that is one of the things I want to bring forward this year is stepping out more into the light and not like dimming my light, basically, you know, not necessarily jumping on a soapbox and telling

other people had it be or that I'm doing it this way and any of that, know, which you know is not my style at all. But just this really deep embodying of if I am in my light more of the time and I just shine it when I'm out there and I don't and I consciously don't dim it, which I have done, and I just I bring a lot more presence and love and light to 2025 into the world and to myself that that is this

huge act of service and it's an act of service for myself and it's an act of service for the world and for my community and that is definitely an energy that I've been like thinking about coming at the, you know, just the evaluation process that happens at the end of the year and the kind of excitement that builds the beginning of a new year and that is one of the things that's been kind of coming up for me. So what about you? I know I'm sure that's similar but go ahead.

Ashley Henderson (23:41.341)

Yeah, no, it's like exactly what I've been thinking about. you know, this year, like I said, this past year has been a real, it's just been this interesting year of seeing how the ego hijacks our experience all the time. And really getting to a point where I'm not even judging that. Like, that's just what it is. And kind of getting fascinated by

the hijack experience. when, so for me, it's been this kind of stepping, like the idea of stepping into my own power or my own light. I don't know if I have wonderful examples of how to do that without ego hijacking, you know? Because I, so I think, and that feels like very much my path.

Nate (24:31.05)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (24:39.505)

is to figure that out, you know? And maybe that's true for you, maybe that's true for everybody. I don't know, but I just feel that has really been a tension point for me is navigating that. And so when you were talking, I was like, yes, that's exactly what this is about for me. And to make it really simple, it's really just being yourself. You are light.

All of us are. We all are light. There's nobody that's not light. And so it's really like doing this, getting to this place where you can be yourself in the world. Because I know you personally, and I know when you're just being yourself, you are amazing. You're amazing light. You're Nate.

an incredible impact on the people around you without even thinking about it. You're not trying to be the light. You're not trying to be anything. You're just you, right? And I'm lucky enough to know you in that particular way. And I bet you would say the same thing about me, that when I'm just being myself, you know, that we have this. So it's just getting to this place where we have the courage and we've done enough of the work to know.

Nate (25:44.586)

Thank you. Yeah.

Nate (25:51.386)

Absolutely.

Ashley Henderson (26:05.043)

when we're in one or the other, you know, and, you know, a lot of the work that I've been doing this year has been about grounding and finding ground. And there's a certain amount of peace and stillness in grounding that kind of gives you a new orientation to this term being yourself. So that's been a big.

part of this year for me. I imagine it'll just be a work in progress for the rest of my life. And there's a joy in that. There's a joy in this continued awakening of just being me. There isn't anything else to be. There's anything else I could be. But yeah, there's a certain excitement around that. Just being more myself in the world and letting go of fear.

Nate (27:03.986)

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I feel, you know, I do a lot of picking up on the different energetic updates and I listen, you know, a lot of channeled energy messages and what we're expressing, I think, is in the collective. And it's this idea which I've been hearing and I have been feeling and it's...

It's part of the way that I set up my business, which is this idea that, you know, we are coming to the end of the era of the guru. And that's not to say that we're no longer going to be needing guides, leaders or teachers. Those positions are always going to be important, you know, like lighthouses for us when we get lost. But the idea that

You know, for we have been operating in this for hundreds and even thousands of years, this idea that other people can somehow tell you how to live your life in a way that's going to make you happier or more fulfilled and more successful or whatever. And it's this way, this subtle way that in both mainstream religion and even in spirituality, we have we give our power away and we create this dynamic of

someone outside of me has the answers. And I think that what you and I have been expressing this idea of bringing our light into the world and being authentically ourselves is it's our own intuitive response to this call, which is the call to shine your light your way and.

give other people permission to shine their light their way and to know that they all have their own internal compass that is giving them all the information they need all the time and that the new way that people can relate to receiving help, I think, is just thinking about someone who's just helping you point out, that's the trail right there. That's it, you just step back right on your trail, it's there.

Nate (29:20.997)

come sit down in my feet and let me do, you know, you have to do this many rosaries or mantras or this before you're worthy enough to do that. And I think that that worthiness piece is such a huge part. You said fear as well. The fear of rejection in the lack of worthiness or the kind of fear around even feeling complete worthiness that we are as.

as existence, as consciousness. that, so I think, I think you and I are, what we're talking about are things that are deeply personal to us, but I also believe that they are things that are, we're on the cutting edge of those coming out in the collective. And I think this year you'll see it more. And I think going forward, we're just going to see this huge surge of people who are going to be reclaiming their power. And I think, I think it,

it's probably going to manifest through lots of people with power not behaving so greatly. sometimes we need to see the contrast in order to see, you know, to see these things.

Ashley Henderson (30:27.669)

Yeah.

Yeah, not giving our power away. know, it's so interesting, like, when we talk about this stuff conceptually and then you really think about what it feels like to not give your power. Let's just use not give your power away. What does it feel like to not give your power away? You know, again, it like feels like.

the most natural thing in the world. When you finally see the pattern of giving your power away, let's say, and you've worked through it and it's painful and it's hard and you grieve the loss of the old pattern and all that. then you just land in...

not giving your power away, it is the most natural feeling in the world. It actually doesn't feel like anything because it just feels like you, right? So I think that it's always, it is surprising to be on this path and, know, arrive, I'm saying that in quotes, at any given moment to this sort of inner peace or inner, I don't call them.

or relaxation or just beingness and realize that it was there the whole time. This is our natural state. And it doesn't feel like some big, I don't know, arrival point. It actually just feels like something that was always there.

Ashley Henderson (32:21.557)

I always think that's really interesting and sometimes it's hard to even see that. I think this time of year is, one of my friends was telling me this week that she did this exercise where she went back and looked at 2024 and was aware of her, what really happened and what was the high points and the low points in the growth that happened. there's something interesting when you, it's,

I find that stuff a little bit hard. have a terrible memory. But if I tap into it in certain moments, I can have awareness of how much I've changed or what has changed. And it's unbelievable sometimes to recognize how much we change when we're doing this work. But it's so funny because it's like, you're just more you. So you don't even think about.

Acknowledging it. You really acknowledge things when you're stuck or, you know, things are hard, but when things are easy, it's like, well, you don't need to think about it.

Nate (33:23.091)

Yes.

Nate (33:27.645)

Yeah, well, I'll put in a small plug there for what your friend did and just say, I've been doing that too. It's fantastic. And it is a good, it is one of the things I find helpful about having journals. Cause then I can kind of like flip back and look through. And I have this like, this kind of like spiritual calendar that each month it gives you different things to reflect on. And the first page of January has this nice little write up and it says,

You know, in the Western world, there's this idea that we, in January, we should be setting intentions, we should be setting goals, we should be doing our New Year's resolutions, and yet it's in the midst of the season of winter, which is this reflective inward time. And the calendar's call or invitation was to say,

What might be more helpful is to review your year and review it with an eye towards all the subtle, beautiful things that happened in your life. And you can acknowledge the downs and the ups, but it was really like, look at all the little wins you had all over, and then look at something that was happening last year that you're ready to let go of and use.

the new year as a funeral service, as a way of saying I'm ready to let this part of me die or to go back. It's such a different energy than kind of the new year's resolution energy and I love that. And so I did that list making process and I did, I found it very helpful. And the other thing that I did want to jump on a little bit when you were talking about how the idea of

being yourself when you do it. It's just it feels easy. It feels natural. I will say just that in the weeds part of that is that it's the choice point moment that can feel a little difficult because it takes intention in it and it's not uncomfortable because it's necessarily hard. It's just different. You have to take a minor beat.

Nate (35:53.454)

in the midst of a reaction state and say, I don't need to make this difficult and I don't need to do this the old way. And then you let it flow. And then when you're on the other side, you're like, that was so easy. And there is no real energy of like angst or anything. You're like, I just didn't, I chose not to give my power away. But it had, do, as you're in the beginning stages, I guess, you could say people who are

practice at this may not even notice it anymore, but I still am in this point where I'm like, I have a moment of reflection. And that is the point where I can feel a little bit of resistance. It's really just like a moment where you're like, which way am I going with this? Am I gonna give my power away or am I gonna keep it? And I think depending on your relationship with that choice point, it could feel hard, quote unquote hard, or it could feel, you know, whatever, full of angst.

but it also is just a moment of pause and then you get to choose.

Ashley Henderson (37:00.095)

Hmm, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking, I think awareness is like that. mean, think that when we're on this awakening journey and we become aware of the patterns, there is that tension. There is that tension in making those choices. And it is uncomfortable. think where I was kind of.

Nate (37:03.054)

For me, anyways. Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (37:28.839)

saying is like when you sort of get to a little bit of an end, when you get sort of to a little bit of an end of the pattern, you know, because awareness, I would even go, maybe I would go even further. It's kind of brutal. mean, if it wasn't brutal, then tension is a nice way of saying it. Brutal might be more accurate. Like then we would all be doing it. Do you know what I mean? Like,

Nate (37:38.33)

Mm-hmm.

Nate (37:53.762)

Right. Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (37:55.125)

There's something really challenging about being aware and awake to your conditioning. But then there's this point where you kind of like, get the lessons that you need to get. You kind of ride it through all the way to the end. And then what's the reward? The reward is just being yourself.

Do you know? Like that's it. That's what this whole thing is about. It isn't about being somebody else. Where are you going to arrive for all that trouble, for all that...

Ashley Henderson (38:40.137)

discomfort and work is arriving to a place that has always been there. And to feel comfortable there, to start creating new baselines for not giving your power away. If that's something that you

you did and you've spent a lot of time healing and looking at and working through and grieving and feeling. And when you stop doing it, it actually just feels normal. know, the reward is that you're just not, you didn't have a problem where you had one before, you know, you can kind of move through. And, you know, I, I think that

Nate (39:21.451)

Right, yes.

Nate (39:28.449)

Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (39:37.991)

We could talk about all the fear. I love that you brought up fear of your own power, because that it does feel like a really big theme in our culture right now is people feeling more comfortable staying in their own power. Not power over anyone, but just in your own sovereignty. Grounding into your own sovereignty is, I think, where we're

we're sort of moving towards. But probably what that feels like, it just probably feels good. Just probably feels good, is my guess. Might be scary, might feel lonely. You might feel disconnected from other people because it might be different. But how does it feel inside of you? It probably feels, I don't know, what are the right words? Normal, peaceful.

Nate (40:15.839)

Yeah.

Nate (40:36.115)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (40:36.721)

alive, alive, you know, joyful. I don't know.

Nate (40:44.575)

Yeah, no, think that's absolutely it. I think, maybe it's just, it's that switching point where you say, I'm no longer gonna give my power away and I'm coming back into wholeness, that that is the point of hesitation, I think, for a lot of people who are in a place right now where I think they're looking around and they're seeing that the

the people that they have given their power to are 100 % not worthy of their power. Right? And I'm talking like really macro global stuff. And so this is part of that big energetic shift I think that's happening. And yeah, it's...

Ashley Henderson (41:20.649)

Yeah.

Nate (41:33.747)

The wholeness and the authenticity is not scary at all. It is beautiful, it's warm, it's comforting, it's peaceful, as you said. But the leap over, I think, is the part that can cause hesitation for people. yeah, I mean, guess you and I, yeah, that's part of what we're doing here is we're on the other side saying, it's great over here, come on over.

and your worries don't go away, but your relationship to them completely changes. you really just start to have this wonderful ownership over everything that's happening in your life. And you realize it's all for you, it's all of you. And it's not about an outside of yourself narrative. It's all an inside job. And the more loving and accepting and...

curious you can be with yourself through all of it, the more kind of grace and beauty and light you're going to bring to the world, which I think we're in desperate need of right now.

Ashley Henderson (42:47.955)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (42:58.207)

trying to think about how to sum up.

Ashley Henderson (43:09.193)

Yeah, I guess it's like if you notice that you have a choice, this is the time to make the choice to more ease, more love, more acceptance, more joy, more aliveness. It's not bypassing. It's just noticing when you have that choice and moving towards

what you want, what you want to create, what you want more of. It feels to me intuitively like there's more work to do. There's always going to be work to do. But we don't need to be seeking, like we don't need to go seeking the shame carousel. We don't need to go seek experiences where we're

we are going to find ourselves in our old patterns, they will come to us. They will reveal themselves in sort of perfect timing and perfect situations. And it's being open to growth, open to learning, open to curiosity, and also open to empowerment and open to joy and really listening to what your heart wants to.

Nate (44:10.093)

Absolutely.

Ashley Henderson (44:34.375)

experience what your heart wants to create.

Ashley Henderson (44:40.969)

Whether you know how to do it yet or not, just really listen and give yourself more and more opportunities to live from there.

Nate (44:55.343)

Beautiful, I love that. The choice is yours and trust yourself. Absolutely.

Okay, well, happy 2025 everybody and we will keep bringing these unique conversations out there and hopefully you'll join us for the next one.

Ashley Henderson (45:21.247)

Happy New Year.

Nate (45:22.575)

Yeah, happy new year.