Unlocking the Power of Meditation

In this conversation, Nate and Ashley explore the intricacies of meditation and spiritual practices, emphasizing the importance of understanding the 'why' behind these practices. They discuss the challenges of 'shoulding' in spiritual journeys, the role of judgment and evaluation, and the significance of embodiment in meditation. The conversation culminates in Ashley's upcoming course, 'Going Deeper,' which aims to guide participants through their meditation journey with a focus on self-love, acceptance, and freedom.

Click the link below to enroll in Ashley's meditation course.

https://www.mountainmeditationgroup.com/going-deeper-february-2024

Transcript

Nate (00:02.082)

Welcome everyone to Spiritual Unraveling with Ashley and Nate. Ashley, how are you doing today?

Ashley Henderson (00:09.83)

Pretty good, how are you?

Nate (00:11.939)

I'm doing good, I'm doing good. I'm intentionally taking a cue from you on starting our podcast a little slower and with a little more interest in our rapport. You and I chat all the time and sometimes when we hit record, I kind of move right into let's get to the topic. So I'm just slowing down a little today. So hopefully everyone's okay with

We were discussing topics that we might be using for the podcast and you had mentioned that you're getting ready to have a course online. And when you were talking about some of the themes, it sounded like a lot of the stuff that we are interested in that we discuss on the podcast. So I was just wondering if maybe we could use that today as something that we could discuss.

Tell me a little bit about your upcoming course.

Ashley Henderson (01:13.954)

Yeah, I had this idea of creating a six week intensive. I hear people say a lot that they either wish that they meditated every day or are feeling like their meditation practice isn't really giving them what they're hoping for. And so this is sort of a way to organize.

that commitment and then come together in community to talk about the challenges and the process. And as I have been sort of thinking about it, it starts next week, as I've been thinking about it, I have been sitting with the how, the how of sitting in meditation in a fruitful way, but also the why.

you know, why do we do it? And I think for me, the joy of meditation is when it's hooked into the why. Definitely not when it's hooked into shoulds. I don't know that that's gonna bring people much if your practice is connected to shoulds, the why of connecting, sitting in silence or creating space for yourself could be any kind of meditative practice.

Nate (02:20.492)

Mm-hmm.

Ashley Henderson (02:40.934)

connecting it to spiritual awakening. That's where I kind of came to and, and being really more.

clear and explicit about the benefits of connecting your practice to this, this waking up to reality, to your true self and all the language around it. It's really hard to bring some of this stuff into concepts. So that's why the course is about concepts.

It is really talking about the how and the why, but also the experience because it's really about the experience of waking up, which is actually really kind of a rocky process and can be really challenging and vulnerable and sort of dismantling, you know, this past retreat.

Nate (03:37.438)

Mm-hmm.

Ashley Henderson (03:48.206)

I had this experience of like, you know, these, we have these moments periodically, but these, this moment of like ego death. And, you know, when you get close to ego death of any sort, there's like this massive fear that comes up. And then on the other side is this total bliss. So we have, you know, it's like both, you know, both sides of that are always there. And so if you can just kind of,

Nate (04:08.455)

Thank

Ashley Henderson (04:18.32)

have some, I don't know, a little bit of, I feel like what maybe some people are needing right now is just a little, we're so inundated with so much information about all of this. So just a little bit of guidance for the journey.

Nate (04:30.813)

Yes.

Nate (04:38.182)

Yeah, well, I love that. And I'm gonna go back to the beginning when you were introducing it, because I think you hit upon something that's worth digging in a little bit. And I'm saying this from personal experience as well, which is the shoulding of spiritual practice or mindfulness. And I think something

just kind of happened and maybe it's the evolution of our culture and society where when things come in and there's a lot of novelty and excitement about them, a certain kind of energy gets brought to it. But I have definitely felt and experienced a feeling of angst or should really, shoulding around.

I think at first I think it was yoga for a long time and then meditation. We have people like Sam Harris out there and lots of other fantastic people who are promoting meditation. I don't think any of them are wanting us to be shoulding. I think it's just kind of the way that at least in Western society, we glom onto things.

And we're like, it can like lower your blood pressure. can create mental clarity. can improve your sleep, improve your relationships, all these like benefits that kind of get listed. And then I think what happens is the part of us that like wants all of those things naturally moves into a, I should start meditating. And that is...

fascinating because I think any kind of entryway into meditation is beneficial but at some point there does need to be a little reflection back on to what you were mentioning as well which is the why and I do think that there's often a big gap or lag between

Nate (07:00.387)

the thing that pulls you into the practice or the, you know, trying to do something mindfulness related and then the connecting that to a deeper why. And that area or space between those two things can be problematic. It can be upsetting, it can be, it can feel lonely. There's a lot of stuff.

in there. So I'm wondering, we'll just take a minute and just talk about that, that space. You know, I've decided to start a practice and yet it's not yet connected to a deeper why. And just like, you know, let's talk a little bit about all the weirdness that happens in that zone.

Ashley Henderson (07:49.926)

Well, it's so interesting. Like I was thinking about what first kind of brought me into it. And I would say for me, it was more like a call, you know? And maybe the shoulds hijack the call. You know, if it's a should, you probably won't last very long in it, cause it's not that much fun. You know, it's kind of hard. It's like awkward.

Nate (08:01.954)

Okay.

Ashley Henderson (08:17.38)

You know, I mean, maybe some people start meditating and it's a lot of fun. have no idea, but I feel like it's kind of awkward. And I remember being like on my first retreat, being like, what am I doing here? You know, and having to reach down for that calling. And it's kind of a mystery because you don't know where you're going. You don't really know why you're there. And then as time goes on for me, as time went on, it became clear, this is for freedom.

I guess that was by the end of that first retreat, I was like, this is about total freedom. Okay. Now I'm going to sign up for it. And so I guess for me, like with meditation, the shoulds,

trying to think they're probably long periods of time where I where I was shooting meditation. I don't think that gave me much. I don't think I had much benefit of that. I mean, I, I really like this idea of going down deeper into like the mystery of it, like the call like, you know, the calling the not knowing, you know, the sort of beginner's mind of it all, rather than focusing on the outcomes.

or I'm going to get this if I do this. And really your meditation practice should be, you should look forward to it. You know, it should be like a cool part of your day. And if it's not, then maybe tweak it or get, yeah, maybe more in touch with the why.

Nate (09:58.581)

Yeah, I I feel like when I first started dabbling my toes in this stuff, I immediately kind of put a metric on it. And that's just kind of the way I am, like working out or...

you know, having like quantifying. it's like I was like, want to meditate every day. Okay, so now it's like I put it in my phone or I put it on the calendar, 10 minutes a day, two times a day, morning and night. you just kind of get, I got into that trap a little bit where I was, what became important was the doing of it or like the checking the box off of.

of that thing, but there was no real joy in it. And I did, I feel like I did that for about five years. it won't, I will say this, it doesn't negate the benefits totally. I think what happened for me in those years where I was meditating to just be a kind of like,

a good person doing the things I was supposed to do. It always created space in times of stress, which is one of my favorite things about meditation. And so even when I didn't have it necessarily connected to a deeper why, I immediately knew and felt the benefits of the idea that when things got stressful or situations kind of went sideways, I could

rely on the fact that I wasn't gonna have a freak out, which was very beneficial, you know? And I think at that time I was pre-kids, but I was working a lot and doing public speaking. So having that kind of thing to fall back on felt really good. But at some point, the kind of checking the box doesn't, it just, gets a little tedious, you know? And I think the first...

Nate (12:11.518)

person that I really, I can't remember who it was, but I was listening to someone talk about meditation. Of course I was doing my kind of Virgo thing where I was not only meditating, but I was also like reading a lot about meditating and a lot of stuff. So was very, you you kind of meta, you know, I'm like, it seems like when people are doing this, right, they have enjoyment and then it's very, you know, it's, it's pleasant.

you know, at a certain point. And I think moving it to a place of kind of playfulness and replenishing was the first move for me that got me to kind of a different level of meditation where it stopped being a task and the goal stopped being the goal to just do it. And the goal then became

I'd like to have actually a little bit of joy or pleasure at the end. I'd like to come out of this with some soothing or ease. Excuse me. So I feel like maybe that was my first big shift with tapping into something different. And I don't know, you were mentioning that somebody in your retreat was talking about the idea of when you're...

Ashley Henderson (13:27.952)

and

Nate (13:38.331)

doing like a guided meditation around a visualization. And then you're like, well, don't want to, what if I visualize the wrong thing? yeah, so I feel like when you're in the kind of task oriented, then you also slip into the judging or like you're trying to quantify or you're evaluating, that's the word, evaluating your meditation as you're in it, which

is obviously, it doesn't lead to what I started to want, which was a pleasurable or joyful experience. So I don't know. Go ahead.

Ashley Henderson (14:16.398)

Yeah. Well, even I would say the word productive. Like I've been really thinking about, you know, why the kind of the like getting into the what what happens when. in the moment, like, let's say somebody is realizing that their their mind is is hijacking the meditation because they're trying to get it right. Well, that's this.

beautiful moment of seeing the mind being separate enough from the mind and its activity to begin to like see what it's trying to do or what it's what it's doing and then you don't want to go into a judgment of that or an evaluation of that. That's what your that's what the point is. The point is to bring enough space between you and your mind to begin to just

be able to see your mind, to be able to work with the kind of habitual nature, the activity of the mind in a different kind of way. And you don't have to, I mean, you don't do that just on meditation, during meditation, you can sort of do that and notice your mind in every moment and recognize it. But there's something about quieting the body.

And you know, the particular meditation that I learned from Adyashanti is to really move into this kind of spacious awareness, which really doesn't the mind has no the mind arises in that spacious awareness, but it's just an aspect of it. So, so the mind doesn't really have the center.

stage, it's not in charge, it's not controlling the whole thing. And so then that starts to create, I think what ends up feeling like challenging or awkward or, you know, that's the beginning of the dismantling. But there's this beautiful thing that just happens on its own when you keep directing your attention somewhere else, somewhere other than the mind. You just can't help it. You begin to start to see.

Ashley Henderson (16:38.53)

yourself as more than just your mind and the stories that you're telling about yourself and all the conditioned identity stuff. But you just get more breaks and maybe that's what you were referencing earlier is like you just have a little bit more you've created a little bit more space in yourself to be able to pause or make different decisions or just self-realize see yourself more clearly.

And it's interesting on the retreat this past time, during the guided meditations, there was a lot of direction to be with whatever's arising without judgment. That's just basically the whole direction. And when people would share, there was a lot of judgment.

Nate (17:30.218)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (17:38.72)

You know, it's so interesting how it's even we can't even often identify when we're being judgmental because it's such an ingrained part of who we are and how we've been conditioned. So to begin to even work with judgment and evaluation and try to dismantle that is really challenging because it's at the core of our culture. It's at the core of our identities.

How will we even know where we are in space and time if we're not judging and evaluating? How do we even know who we are? mean, it's wild how ingrained that is. so meditation just gives us this opportunity to keep loosening it, loosening the grip, loosening. know, once you really start to see it, you can't not see it. Goodness gracious. Every thought is steeped in judgment. How is, you know, and then.

And then it just kind of goes from there. It's like this snowball effect.

Nate (18:39.605)

I love that and I like how you're switching and using judgment in evaluation and kind of going back and forth because I do think that judgment feels like a loaded term. I do think that most of what we are doing is judgment because I do think it's loaded on purpose. But I feel like evaluation is a nice word to sub in to soften it internally.

so that you can become a little more aware of just how often you are judging things. Because if you use the word evaluation, you realize, I'm constantly assessing or evaluating things. And there's nothing wrong with that inherently, but when it's overdone, geez, it can be incredibly exhausting. And so when we're...

talking about this, love that kind of you're at a very basic level, what you're going for is awareness and non-judgment in the meditation. And what's fascinating is, you know, before I was talking about how like trying to reach a state of joy or get pleasure out of it. And I think as we're talking, I'm realizing it,

the joy or the pleasure is actually just relief from those part of your brains, of those part of your brain just being so overwrought, the kind of constant evaluation, judging and assessing. And when you can kind of bring awareness to it and then give yourself grace to just have it and then kind of loosen the grips on all of that, then you get that.

The joy is actually the joy of feeling a lot more ease and relief from that constant kind of brain machinery going.

Ashley Henderson (20:44.514)

Yeah, I mean, I would I would go as far as to say that judgment and evaluation are completely made up things like they actually don't like nature isn't in judgment and evaluation. I don't think they're actually aspects of reality. I don't think they're necessary. I mean, maybe if you're assessing where to plant your next crop, you know, or where

which tree to hide in, you know, to, I don't know, like, I, I don't think that the, the judgment and evaluation that we are consumed with in our moment to moment experience is necessary. In fact, I don't even think it exists in reality. I think we made it up and I think it's addictive. I think it's habitual. And I think when you, when you really work with it all the way to its end,

Nate (21:17.094)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (21:44.774)

it isn't relevant. So for example, you know, maybe something quote unquote bad happens and you have judgment, this thing happened, it's bad, you know, and then time passes and it turns out all these beautiful things came out of that. And so maybe that was the best thing that ever happened. so, you know, we really, if it, once you release judgment and you come into acceptance of all of life, all of yourself,

all of the things that happen to you and you move out of judgment. You can really see how

false that whole concept of judgment was to begin with and how much it holds people back from true living, true expression and true living, true expression. All that means is just being yourself and accepting who you are. mean, accepting what happens to you, accepting all the parts of you. You know, so so and how could that be wrong? If you really think about it, how could it be wrong to to

live in total acceptance. It's just hard to get there. It's hard to unwind judgment because we're so stupid from the beginning.

Nate (22:58.511)

Ehh

Yes.

Ashley Henderson (23:02.942)

So, but that's really the path. mean, it's really, for some people, they might just have this lightning bolt experience where they, judgment is removed and then they have to like reorganize their whole lives, right? Some people, maybe they weren't steeped in judgment and evaluation and they felt like an alien all their life and now they're enlightened and it's cool, you know? But I think for a lot of people and definitely for me, there was just this like,

Nate (23:14.319)

Mm-hmm.

Nate (23:26.818)

Yeah

Ashley Henderson (23:31.462)

It's been a journey and it will always be there, this kind of noticing and working with these aspects of the mind that hold me back from feeling at peace, feeling free, feeling loving and accepting. And I think that's ultimately who we really are. I think we're not meant to be in judgment.

Nate (24:00.077)

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, I agree with so much of what you said. And I think for me to just kind of release some of the pressure, I like to think about those things as dials. baseline for most of us is that judgment is somewhere like a nine or a 10 out of 10. And what would it be like to be at a seven?

You know, it would probably be pretty amazing. And it doesn't mean for those of us who are, you know, I think it's kind of a radical idea to think that judgment doesn't exist. I agree with you that it is a construct. But even if you just say, want to just have it play less of a role in my life, you're going to have some amazing byproducts of that, which is

Ashley Henderson (24:31.206)

You

Nate (24:58.944)

I think what you were hinting at when you were talking about acceptance, it's so much of what causes us discomfort or pain is about not accepting things as they are, about wishing they were different or about having expectations about how things are gonna go and then they don't go the way you are. All of that is built into judgment and...

and assessing and all of it can become a hindrance to acceptance and being present and just allowing for everything that's happening to just happen. There's just a lot less pushing against when you move into that place. And again, I like to think of these as dials, right? Like turn judgment down, turn acceptance up. And that would...

You know, that's a nice recipe. It's gonna create a lot more ease in your life.

Ashley Henderson (25:59.974)

Yeah, you certainly don't want to bring judgment in around being judgemental. Being judging. Yeah, I think there's a way, I think what you just said was really helpful. Like, you know, noticing how these aspects of the mind sort of hijack the present moment.

Nate (26:06.089)

Yeah, right.

Ashley Henderson (26:22.67)

And when we can, I mean, that's the point of all of it is to be able to come more and more and more into the present moment, because I think we're missing so much of just what sort of our birthright of being alive is all about. Now here to experience the present moment and everything that's arising in each moment. And when we can get closer and closer to that presence, I mean, think that's what it's.

That's what spiritual awakening is. It's waking up to what's here. And if you're waking up to, judgment's here. That's all that it takes. It doesn't take more than that. judgment's here. Judgment was keeping me from this present moment. Or it be anything.

Nate (27:12.988)

Well, I think that's helpful though, because what you're, it kind of can let you off the hook a little bit because what you're saying is that you don't have to do anything with it other than acknowledge it. That that is such a huge piece of that thing, which is, you don't have to fix yourself, you don't have to do it better, you don't have to do any of this. The acknowledgement of...

what you're feeling, what you're experiencing, what your mind is doing is probably the biggest part of all of this, where it's just like, then that gives you that sense of relief. It also moves you back into wholeness, because there isn't a part of you that you're not allowing, that you're frustrated with, or that you're not integrated with. You're just saying, there's judgment.

And I love also what you were talking about with experience. It's just, it's such a weird thing. It's really what life is. It's an experience, especially if you're like us and you believe in a soul and you believe in an afterlife and you believe in multiple lives and you really do move into this place where you're like, well, the earthly

incarnation is about experience. It's like literally that is why we come here is to just is to to have an embodied experience. And so if you move into that energy then you can let a lot of stuff off the hook and then you start to get a little more playful and a little more light. So yeah that could be kind of an exciting thing. And I use the word embodied because you also when you

talking about your course, you were talking a little bit about how we sit in our body with meditation too. So I'm wondering if you want to jump on that.

Ashley Henderson (29:22.212)

Yeah, I think for me when I started to meditate, I was really surprised that I even had a body. I think I just would spend so much time from the neck up in my concepts and my ideas of life, my ideas about myself, that to just bring my attention down into the body was just an incredible experience in

in learning to live more from a different place. mean, I, you know, I don't know, I feel like I don't even know how to describe what, what the process is, but the outcome has been more relaxed in my body, more listening to my body, being able to listen more to intuition and just being more present. So I'm not sure why

Bringing your attention down into the body. I mean, maybe it's just so obvious that there's not really an answer for that but or maybe there's a really great answer but Yeah, just really focusing on being embodied just if anything it takes you away from This obsession with the mind and whatever the mind is doing. So in meditation I often will in my own Meditation and then when I'm guiding meditation really direct people to the body and I think it's really hard

sometimes for people. think some people really like being guided there because it feels like a relief and other people have a lot of resistance. Like the mind is just like, no, I do not go there. And so, so working with that resistance can be really, really helpful in, in deepening, deepening presence. But you know, this just brings me to this one piece that I think is really hard for people, especially like on these long retreats.

or even just a regular meditation practice is, you know, they get bored right away. Like there's just this boredom because there's, you know, there's not a whole lot happening when you're just kind of relaxing the body, coming into the body, focusing on the breath. Maybe that's part of your practice, you know, opening up just to spacious awareness. It gets very quiet and the mind has a lot of resistance to that because there's not a lot for it to do.

Ashley Henderson (31:49.326)

And so you're just there's this deep invitation into being. And the mind's like, what's that? We don't like that. Let's hijack this, you know? And so but if you can, if you can stay with it and just keep kind of turning towards that quiet, knowing this is this is this is where the why of this course is going to come in, because it's like, well, why, why do we do that? If it feels awkward or there's resistance?

You know, our first reaction is going to be to like pull away from it. Why do we stay with it? You know, where is it taking us? You know, because it's kind of like nothing. There's nothing. It's like the silence. Silent nothingness is what really you're you're kind of bringing your attention to. And. Yeah, so the why of that is something that that we're going to explore because, you know, just training yourself.

over and over and over again to look, tune into that silence and tune into that relaxation, tune into the body starts to open up a different even just way of being in the world, a different voice, you know, that might be a lot deeper than the mind, a different sense of presence that can slow things down so that you're not as reactive from the mind, you know, so

There's just all these benefits to going there, but I think that is challenging for people to meet that resistance and keep going, keep opening to it.

Nate (33:28.37)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think one of the benefits of embodiment during a meditation practice is that it can, for me, it can feel like an easier place to go. Like when I'm experiencing the boredom you discussed or the kind of, or even maybe discomfort that comes up during meditation. The nice thing about

having a part of that be around becoming more embodied is that you can move into your breath, or you can move into your posture, or you can do these things that, yeah, kind of give a little bit of your mind, busy mind something to do, like, hey, I wanna draw my focus down here. But then in that process of doing that, it actually, it,

silences the mind and it can bring you more into the present moment. So it's a nice, it has that benefit of just kind of relieving some pressure, at least for me sometimes when that happens. And then I don't let's, I'm curious now because you've said it a couple of times around the why. What's the why?

Ashley Henderson (34:55.334)

Totally.

Nate (34:56.002)

What's your why? I'm sure the why is different for everybody. These days, and it's probably also a moving target, what is your current why?

Ashley Henderson (35:07.61)

I think if I was going to say it, the most directly from my own experience is self-love, but it's bigger than self-love. It's like self-love in the name of freedom, self-love in the name of truth, self-love in the name of peace and quiet.

being maybe being of service, being of service really meaning being myself, you know, cause I do think everybody is of service when they're being their authentic selves. So yeah, self-love and then self-acceptance, self-forgiveness, healing, and then freedom to be yourself. Bless that.

Nate (36:03.686)

That's it, that's all.

Ashley Henderson (36:05.445)

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like when you can get past the story, the story of you and the story of your, your wounding and your traumas and your underdeveloped parts and you know, the ways that the mind has worked created all those stories to protect you. And when you can see the truth that you are whole and perfect.

just as you are. There's this whole world that opens up that is actually super exciting, even though it's maybe not as dramatic as the stories in the mind, possibly. It's much more grounded in like peace, a sense of stability or peace or groundedness, but it's still nonetheless, like for example,

this morning. I let my dogs out early and the owls have been, there's just some owls that have brought a nest in pretty close because they're just pretty loud and doing their thing close to the house. And so in the early dawn, I heard them. They were so close and I saw the nest. I was like, my God, I can see the nest. It's amazing. And then later in the morning when I went out to just check out

the nest, all these crows were circling the nest and trying to get, think, maybe to the eggs. I think there's probably some eggs in there. you know, so I'm watching for like 10 minutes, 10 minutes. Didn't have really, probably these crows trying to get and this owl fighting off and defending her nest. And I was just like, that's so cool. You know, that's

Nate (38:01.005)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (38:02.776)

It's like, was that available to me? You know, probably not. I probably wouldn't even have heard them or would have been. I just I just think that our minds can be so consumed with the management of the self and defending and resisting and, you know, running stories that we don't notice this kind of, I don't know, other stuff that's happening, you know, so maybe somebody's like,

hearing that story and being like, I don't know, the owl thing doesn't really get me. But for me, that's my jam. I love birds and I love being part of all that. So for me, that really drew me in. And I'm really grateful to be able to notice that and be able to...

Nate (38:54.548)

We talked about this on the last show, the picking up on a different signal, right? In the, there's all sorts of signals out there and one of them is the nature signal, right? Like when you're in busy go, go, go mode, you're not listening to the owl. You're not wandering outside with curiosity and watching a little, you know, David Attenborough thing going on in your backyard. So yeah, in that,

in that level of changing the dial, receiving a different signal, that all comes from reflection and presence, all things that are benefits by having some kind of practice.

Ashley Henderson (39:43.662)

Yeah, yeah. mean, I think that for me, you know, for me, I had a very strong call that and I, for whatever reason, really signed up and listened to that call. it's not, I mean, I'm no saint. I'm not saying any that. Just that's a mystery to me why that this process of spiritual awakening really called me, you know, when it did.

and I really listened to it. you know, maybe it doesn't call everybody and it's not, but if it calls you, would say, my gosh, it's incredible, stay with it, it's worth it. But it's not easy. It's not easy to unwind those aspects of the self because they were created with such strong intent to protect and to manage and...

you whatever, whatever your version of chaos was in your childhood. so they're really ingrained and, and, and then just our cultural conditioning is so strong and, really steeped in unworthiness. so to, know, you just have to work through that stuff. You have to feel it and be with it. And, yeah, just, it's just, but it's worth it. That that's why I'm do all the things that I'm doing to

create containers for people to work with this stuff in a safe place. That's my goal.

Nate (41:17.705)

Yeah, I love that. And I will share my why because when you were talking, you were getting at my why. And for me, the why that I'm most lit up by right now is soul integration or integration coming back to wholeness. And when you were talking about the call, I was literally just thinking to myself, it's like your soul is calling you back to it. Like, come back.

come back to all of you and bring all of this vast eternal experience and wellspring that exists and just bring more of that, all of that into this life, into this moment so that you can just be so expansive and present and just experience things from

a more whole and integrated level. So yeah, the call, it's the call of the soul.

Ashley Henderson (42:25.328)

Yeah, I love that. I love that.

Nate (42:28.156)

Remind me again, what's the name of the course?

Ashley Henderson (42:31.434)

So it's called going deeper. It's a six week meditation intensive. We're going to meet on Monday nights, seven o'clock Pacific for an hour and 15 minutes, I think it's going to be a guided meditation and then sharing sort of I'll share the theme for the week. There'll be time for, you know, sharing and questions and answers and guidance and then

Nate (42:33.876)

Uh-huh.

Ashley Henderson (43:01.318)

Each week there's just little pointers for your meditation practice, journal prompts, and questions for self-inquiry, things like that. And we'll come back together on Mondays to kind of see where we're at and support each other.

Nate (43:22.45)

Very cool. Okay, so I'll make sure I put that in our show notes. I'll drop some kind of a link in there so people can check it out. All right. Well, this was fun. It sounds very exciting.

Ashley Henderson (43:31.91)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (43:35.279)

Yeah.

Ashley Henderson (43:39.194)

I'm excited, but I'm a nerd,

Nate (43:40.272)

Yeah. That's right. Back to our original moniker, Spiritual Nerds.

Ashley Henderson (43:47.568)

Yeah. All right.

Nate (43:52.612)

Okay, so we'll see you guys all next time.

Ashley Henderson (43:56.774)

Bye.

Nate (43:57.97)

Bye.