Medical Astrology Meets Human Design Digestion with Kira Sutherland

In this episode of 'This Fearless Life,' Frances welcomes back Kira Sutherland, a renowned Australian naturopath, nutritionist, herbalist, homeopath, and medical astrologer. 

The discussion delves into the fascinating worlds of medical astrology, human design, and holistic health. Kira shares her expertise in medical astrology, while Frances discusses her journey in integrating human design into health and fitness. Together, they explore how natal charts are utilized in medical astrology and the significance of various astrological houses and planetary positions in assessing health conditions. The episode also touches on the intersection of astrology and human design in understanding digestion and overall well-being. Whether you're a seasoned astrologer or new to the practice, this conversation is packed with insights and practical tips for integrating these holistic approaches into daily health practices.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Reintroduction

01:33 Diving into Medical Astrology

04:38 Human Design and Health

09:23 Astrological Houses and Health

14:48 Personal Health Insights and Client Examples

19:49 Medical Astrology Techniques and Practices

28:31 Human Design and Digestion

30:35 Navigating Dinner Conversations

31:10 The Benefits of Eating in Front of the TV

31:55 Understanding Digestion Types

33:11 Personal Experiences with Food and Health

34:16 Family Dynamics and Digestion

39:49 The Impact of Hormones on Attraction

43:30 Exploring Human Design and Gene Keys

48:21 Integrating Ancient Wisdom with Modern Science

55:17 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

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Transcript

0:03

Hey friends, we are fearless. Welcome to the podcast. My name is Frances Young and we are here on another episode of This Fearless Life and I have my first returning guest here at Sutherland. Oh, I didn't know that. I know you're my first returning guest, Kira. Welcome and let's have you reintroduce yourself as we're in a new season and I want everyone to know who you are. Awesome. That's'cause we get on so well. Right? That's why I'm returning. I am Kira Sutherland. I'm born in the US so I'm gonna have a US accent, but I live in Australia, so it will go in and out. I am a Australian naturopath nutritionist, herbalist. Homeopath and astrologer. My forte is medical astrology, so using natal charts and transits and all kinds of fun stuff to look at someone's constitution and how to support them. Amazing. We are almost at a year from when we first met online for the very first time, first recorded an episode. Yep. Yeah. And yeah, I now have started to dabble in medical astrology myself, as I call myself a studying astrologer, even though I'm the Yep. Human design expert of my realm in health and fitness. I'm now trying to bridge the gap between both. So I'm excited for us to dive into some questions where I'm gonna draw out some of your medical astrology, how you assess a chart and then weaving our way between human design and astrology today. So my first question is that when you are doing an initial reading for someone, they've hired you, knowing that you do medical astrology, you're a naturopath. They understand that you have all these modalities to help them with something. That you know is a very obscure health issue, or it's someone trying to get pregnant as an example. Yeah. What's the first thing that you look at in their chart slash knowing their information prior to meeting them? That's like your, go-to. Yeah, so I do ask for information before the consult, it's not, I can do a consult straight off of looking at someone's chart and being like, Hey, what's up with your health? What I don't do is I don't just look at someone's chart and tell them what their potential problems are gonna be, because that's just negative, and then people can buy into that and create issues. It's not like, oh, you're gonna have this, this, and this. I can say, what systems will be stressed, but what I tend to do, or what's formulated over all the decades of clinical practice, is they fill out a little bit of a form. I want some background health. I wanna know what they wanna work on, and I wanna know what their general problems are. As well as I'll ask things like what drugs they're on.'cause a lot of people are in pharmaceuticals, what, supplements. What they're taking, and also I do ask if they have a really big condition, we, I do ask if there's timing, if we have dates for when something started or when something got worse. They give me all that info. I pull up the natal chart and I always look at the natal chart first, which is your birth chart. The first thing I look at is the big three, the sun, the moon, and the ascendant. I wanna see. The sun is your vitality, your core of who you are. Yes, you can have body problems there, but we express our sons pretty well. I do wanna look at that for tendencies. The moon is like your emotions, your habits. It's got to do a lot with digestion. I look at the moon, but especially the ascendant, like if I had to look at something first. It's a very long answer. I would wanted it long answer ascendant or the rising sign because that is actually in charge of the physical body. So the rising sign in the first house, I'm very, if people know the. The chart is split up into 12 houses. I look at the rising sign of the first house,'cause that is the physical body and it's where we kind of come into contact with the world and when we're stressed,'cause nobody's running around stressed these days. We kind of ricochet our energy back to that rising sign and that's how we defend ourselves. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. This plays and I feel like will, something in human design that, at least thus far myself and my understanding of it, how I speak to somebody about their health and their human design. Is that the human design doesn't give away what our rising is. Like if I just knew that I'm a Generator and Kira happens to be a Projector, I wouldn't know that I'm a cancer rising from looking at my graph. And Kira probably wouldn't know. Yeah. That you're a Pisces rising from looking at your Projector, chart. And this is the one piece for me that currently I am like, if we don't know this, it doesn't match up yet. There isn't a way for us to understand this, but the sun and the moon, our Mars and our Venus, at least through how I am now looking at a human design graph, yeah. Looking at these numbers where they're placed in the centers feels very important to understanding someone's health and issues that they may have. But because you come out with two things like Manifesting Generator or whatever, so does that feel like the sun and the moon to you? Or is that not too simplified? No, it doesn't at all. It actually, so on, depending on the type of human design graph that someone has access to, they'll be able to see, yeah, their sun number all the time, depending on the type of graph of what they're looking at. And then they're also able to see the human design number that is associated with their moon. And yeah, technically interesting that there's no ascendant, right? Technically within, when we're looking at human design graphs, there will be kind of two sides. And I put that if people could see, watch me do it, it would be, I'd be giving air quotes. We have numbers from our graph that are associated with our physical body, and then we have numbers that are associated more with our mental, like daily consciousness. And a hundred percent I could say that my sun number, I have a Leo son. And the number and the ideas and the themes that go along with that number, which for me to describe in this moment, I either am all in and saying yes or I'm all in and saying, no, it's a very Generator, excitable energy. Yeah. Type of vibe. Yeah. If I just did yes and listened to my body on, yes, I probably would always be in my healthiest state of what we could say healthy is. But because I don't know when to say no, or that is my challenge and my opportunity in this life to learn what to say no to, I, go through understanding how my health will change around that idea. It'll be interesting. Can I say you're gonna do some medical astrology with me? Like some classes? Yeah. It'll be really interesting to process through when we do look at your chart and your health w where in the HD you can see those health issues and then what it teaches you.'cause I reckon there'll be another layer to it.'cause I know it's that, two sides I've seen it. Yeah. But I almost feel like intuitively mm-hmm. I feel like the ascendant feeds both those sides. It has to, it's almost like the energy's gonna sit somewhere in that middle and it's gonna come out. And maybe it's how many channels are open? I don't know. I'm pulling off of energetic right now, but, um Oh, go. I know, I think it's gonna be about the channels, the lines, you know how, I don't know what those are called'cause I don't know, HD like you do, but you know when things are open or you know, things are talking to each other. Exactly. This is for me, one thing that I look at that is a basis of health, of understanding what somebody energetically may be holding onto that's calling, that's causing them disease or health problems is going to potentially show up in an open or a closed center, we've got these nine triangles and squares on a human design graph and whether or not they're open or closed is massive to our health, depending on what that center represents. And something really interesting about the difference in our energy as a whole separately is that I am what they call a sacral being. Because I'm a Generator. I've got my sacral center defined. And you are a non sacral being as an example for being a Projector. Yeah. When I was re-looking at your chart today, I was super excited to figure out a question of being, when in medical astrology we get deeper. Let's see how this comes together as a question. This is new information for me, after looking at the ascendant in medical astrology, we're trying to figure things out. We look at the sixth house. The eighth house, yes. And the 12th house. Yeah. So of me looking at yours, your sixth is Leo, your eighth is Libra. There we go. I'm trying to memorize it. Then your, it's alright. 12th is Aquarius. With being a non sacral, if potentially you'd known that, do you also think that you would've earlier on in life, been able to sort out more issues if they've shown up for you with regards to heart health, gut, nervous system. Because these are very particular areas for you that you could have issues. Yeah. If you'd pre known that you were a non sacral being, but you know that from medical stuff. Yeah. Here's the thing. In traditional medical astrology, the big houses are the first,'cause it's your physical body. The sixth.'cause it's your house of illness. I also think it's your house of preventative health because the sixth house is the house of work and service to others. But in my opinion as a modern description, it's service to your own. It's how you take care of your own physicality. It's last of the personal houses. Yeah. Right. Once you hit the seventh house, it's more about social houses. Then the eighth is, the house of death. Inherited stuff. The house of like psychological things going deep, detoxification. 12 is the house of endings. Just for people that don't know those endings. The chronic house things that are hidden. It's the house of like hospitals and institutions. So those are the traditional medical houses. But after 30 years, this year of practicing as a health practitioner and a medical astrologer. I think all the houses are as important as each other. And I don't always find it's those key, those four houses are super important. I find health ailments can come from anywhere. Yeah. Because I'm also gonna stay, I don't have heart problems. No. I have shit hot blood pressure in my fifties. I've never had cardiovascular issues, not once. A little bit of an irregular heartbeat when I was having too much caffeine. That's it. My nervous system. Everybody's nervous system is in trouble. Libra, I never had balance. I have had some liver stuff, but in general, no kidney problems, no balance issues, no hormone problems as a female. So I haven't come out with, I mean, hopefully I've got decades more to go, but those haven't been my stressed areas of health. Because when we're also talking about those houses, very little amount of planet sits within those houses. Right. I, my planets are spread to other houses where I've manifested more issues to work on, so. Mm-hmm. Again, some traditional astro, there's traditional medical astrology and there's how it's evolved, and I do both. Yeah. With that house focus, that house focus is also super important. Not even just the natal chart, but the illness chart and some medical astrologers, when someone comes to them, the first thing they'll do is they'll create a chart called the de temperature chart. De temperature means to lie down or to take to your bed. Like the day, the moment you got sick or admitted you were sick. Yeah. And you look at those houses very specifically in what's called a de temperature or a reading chart, which is like looking at the illness itself. Those houses become super important. So there's, there's this crossover between which is important. And for me, I find every planet and every house can manifest health stuff depending on what your soul is trying to process. Yeah. That was a big explanation. I love that. Also, thank you for doing that miniature explanation on, on all the houses as well. I am so far for now myself having a bit more knowledge of, okay, this is, this is some beginning of medical astrology. These is the places where we start, already my brain is like, I know someone could have gut issues and not have sixth, eighth, or 12th things going on. There could be planets somewhere else. Correct. There could be other things, you know, but it's been interesting so far to know. Yeah. A little bit more about, say that okay, a Sagittarius sun, we really have to watch their nervous system, depending on also what their sixth, their eighth and their 12th is, because maybe they are gonna develop sciatica because of just how prevalent, their central nervous system health is to the rest of their body, especially their lower body and their thigh. It's making me think even deeper about the fact that actually a lot more overall, when I look at the human design side of health Generators and manifesting Generators for who I speak to. On my own study, have more gut issues than say a Projector does, which interesting Projectors have a more sensitive system. They don't know overall that with their sacral being open, they do not have a system turnoff on. I am full. When they eat, as an example, we're Generators. We do have the turnoff. Our sacral is colored in. It's like, Hey, I'm full stop. Or we get frustrated. It's interesting to, which is interesting. That's super interesting. That. It's so much more as you saying, the potential of a planet in any place could bring about something happening, a transit in someone's life, activating something to happen, as well as the same thing that someone, if they're not operating as a Generator in the things that make them feel good in love. We know that regardless of how they're operating with all these other things are gonna bring about an ailment or illness in some way, or make them burn out on purpose. There's so many more facets than just the I see this, yeah. This person is gonna have this issue, as well. Go back to the Sagittarius. Yeah. Sagittarius has more of a rulership of the neuromuscular junction. So how the nerves and the muscles have a conversation to each other. Got it. The body area ruled by Sagittarius is the bum or the buttocks, but whatever you wanna say, your glutes mm-hmm. As a pt. So it's the glutes, the hips, and the thighs. So why they get Sia sciatica isn't even a central nervous system issue, it's that the muscles in their bum, which is also where the sciatic nerve starts. Mm-hmm. The sciatic nerve isn't part of the central nervous system. It's part of the peripheral nervous system. Right. Yeah. The bum and the gets too tight muscularly because of that body rulership and it impinges on that sciatic nerve, which then urates that whole leg and, and they have a lot of rulership around locomotion and movement because it's a fire, which fires all about movement and questing. As a mutable sag is one of the mutable signs. Mm-hmm. It's changeable and it's moving and questing and that's how it feels. Good. When things get too rigid, which is the opposite of it, its natural state, that's where that sciatica comes in. Does that make sense? A hundred percent. Yeah. And my most serious body injury in my life. Happened in my pelvis and then it also radiated into kind of my left glute hamstring. I had residual scar tissue that was there. Even though I'm a cancer rising, Sagittarius rule, my sixth, my, yeah, day-to-day movement, just everything on how I look after myself with my work and my life on a day-to-day basis. I thought it was very interesting when I was going down the initial, like learning about just what body parts and things going on with what houses associate with that signs, et cetera, that I was like, oh, this correlates way more than I ever thought that it was going to. This is kind of crazy. Oh my god. It correlates. And the truth is, you are gonna see that in multiple, just because something presents once an astrology chart, it can happen. But it's like you need to have patterns, you need to have multiple pressure points for that to happen. So yes, if SAG is on the sixth, yes, we gotta look at those SAG body parts. We gotta look at the liver health. But we also wanna then look at, Sagittarius, we always look at the ruling planet. You know this, but I'm gonna say it for your listeners. Definitely the planet that's in charge of each sign. So Sagittarius is ruled by the planet Jupiter. We also need to go over to Jupiter. Look at the state of Jupiter. What sign is that in? How is that also a trigger? What house is it in? How does that manifest? You look at. That ruling planet can be also an aggravator or it can be where I go to support in order to support the sixth. Hmm. Interesting. In my opinion, it's not all about the sixth, right? Mm-hmm. I know where multiple parts of my chart are for thinking about my sixth, my eighth and my 12th. We happen to have something similar in that our first house when looked at through whole sign, we don't have any planets there. My ascendant is at 13 degrees. I think your ascendant is like 25 degrees pi. This is the crazy thing that I can like remember certain numbers when I look at people's charts. I love that. So it's interesting that we don't have anything there. We both don't have anything in our sixth, but our seventh in our eighth have like particular kind of singular placements going on. Overall in my life, my health as a whole, I've seen different issues come up at very specific points, but overall has been quite good. Yeah, like I would say I've been a healthy human, even though there are moments where it looks like, yeah, I've had some serious issues and it's been interesting when I've had certain clients come to me and now I pull up their astrology as well as their human design and I ask them very specific plain questions. If they're a Generator, are you loving your movement? If you're not, there could be something else that I could look at in your chart and then too, maybe in your astrology natal chart as well to navigate, how do we just get you feeling excited? If they're a Projector, I recently have this new client that's a Projector. They have a very rare, authority as well. Not your ego authority, heart driven. I want the thing. But they were coming to me saying, I've been super sick lately and some other X, y, Z things. I actually guessed what their big three was and I got it right. And I was super pumped with myself. Wow. I was super pumped. Very well done. Then it happened that they were a Gemini rising Taurus sun. I then asked like, Hey, so have, when recently, when you've been sick, have you had a lot of issues with your throat? Just as a very blanket statement. We know that to also say for listeners that Taurus, at least outta the body, what part of the body it rules is the throat. The thyroid and, other tonsils, throat, thyroid, larynx, phenix, that whole and a little bit of those upper traps, like the tightness through the top of the shoulders. Yeah. And actually the bottom jaw, ah, because that's we choose food and the occipital bone of the head is actually, even though Aries gets the whole head, we start to move to Taurus at the occiput. My brain just like went off on thinking about another client who to like, like go back in this moment of thinking about open and closed centers to draw an HD as well. I had and have had a patient that has an open throat. They're not Taurus. They're a Generator and when they have issues with their throat, like everything throws them off. When I stretch them as a stretch therapy client and work on their occipital bones, they like chill out even though their sun sign is not Taurus. When we throw open and close centers into it and what their energy type is, there's like a whole niche that I am excited to delve into. To go back to that client they might have, they may or may not have strong Aries, or they might have strong first house because it's the whole head. The pressure point, like for me, I'm very first house Aries, so if you work on my occiput, it's a huge release point because that's the doorway into, even though it's Taurus and I have nothing in Taurus, it's the doorway into my Aries. So if people work on my occiput, I literally like black out in excitement of it's gonna fix. I jam everything in my head and so they're like opening this little door so everything can flow rather than get stuck here. The other thing would be, and they might be like that, that might be a first house thing.'Cause first house is also the head, or they might have a lot in the second house, but not have everything in Taurus, right? In medical astrology. In regular astrology, which is what I call every other type of astrology, house to sign to planet, is not a straight lineup. Like they call that cookie cutter astrology. Aries Rulership is not the same as the first house. Ruler ship is not the same as Mars, it's ruling planet. But in medical astrology, there's huge crossover between a sign, its body part, the house that it naturally in a traditional like Aries first, Taurus second, and traditional chart. Or we call it a natural chart. The first house also rules the same body areas. Areas. If you stretch a person out elongated, like scorpion back on themselves. Then you can, the planets really rule something a bit different, but it can also be those body areas. So there is this crossover to look for. Even when you go, there's nothing in Taurus. I'm like, yeah, but what's happening with Venus? Where's she, what's she doing? And what's happening in that second house?'cause if you've got a lot going on in the second house, you're gonna pressurize that body part. I'm very house focused on accident. It is not, houses are huge for me, but that has, it's not that I was taught to be house focused as a medical astrologer. I just find so much through my clients. So much of the illness comes from the house area, because those planets are struggling for you to focus on them, but it's manifesting in that physicality of the house area that the houses have become this enormous focus. For me, even though in medical astrology it doesn't tend to be, besides the traditional houses, it wasn't always a big focus. In fact, I'm like a month away from finishing a book literally on the houses in medical astrology because it's not, no one has written a lot on that. There's chapters, but not a lot. Not in the, in depth. Then that's your specialty. My brain's like, that's probably where your genius has come out, because that's hadn't been really looked at. Yeah. Maybe before you started to realize this, with all of the types of clients that you have just happened to work with over the course of your career thus far. When I was studying astrology, formally with a teacher, this is for your listeners. This is long pre-internet. Yeah. You either had to find a teacher or you had to read books. There was no other way to study. I had an amazing astrology teacher, but I couldn't locate anyone teaching medical astrology near me. I self-taught medical astrology, but I was also studying naturopathy. I'd probably already finished or at the same time. I was coming at it already as a, in the healing profession rather than a traditional astrologer. I learned to decipher charts is a little bit accidentally my own kind of trying to puzzle it together rather than, I didn't have a traditional, you have to do the de temperature, you have to look at. I didn't know there was a bunch of rules. Where I were meant, my problem is I probably didn't read those chapters. I kind of put it together in my own organic I, with everybody else's info, I did not create anything. I'm not trying to take credit for the creation of anything, but as A-A-D-H-D brain that I now understand holds all these tabs open and were pattern recognizers, I layered all the tabs and the patterns for how I came about it. I'd say it's three quarters of what I do fits completely into medical astrology and the way it's taught. I won't say I broke any rules, but I looked at it. I'm also a very big picture person rather than detail. Yeah. I think every medical soldier has their way into a chart that just works for them. It's how boring if we were all the same. Right. And I'm sitting here thinking like, yeah, I'm come in on the back end of learning astrology and I'm now like, still haven't actually Yeah. Formally taken a full, fundamental astrology course. I've dabbled in enough of them and now I'm just all the way into medical astrology because I've done all these other things, let alone human design is the way that, so yeah, I'm like, screw the rule book on how, we're gonna formulate the way that we wanna say this is X way to become an astrologer and add it into this, or medical astrology, et cetera. Your little moon in Aries is like, they're gonna put it all together. Right. They're gonna, they're not gonna wait. You don't have that traditional, I've gotta wait and put all these pieces together. It's like, I'm gonna take everything I know and try to figure out what it's telling me. HD isn't based on astrology, but you can see the roots of the calculations with the ener. Both of them are systems off of the mathematics of the universe. That's the way I look at it. Right? Yep. It's a different style of math, but they are looking at, we are the same energetics. Right? Like literally. I love that. Each medical astrologer really has their forte and we all get to the same conclusion, but we sometimes take different roads really. I would say that at the end of the day and how, human design comes into then the very specifics that something might not necessarily always be the first thing that you can figure out from someone's natal chart or the potential of looking at where transits are for them is that's a different layer, is that a human design graph will tell someone and tells a reader what their preferred digestion may be and preferred environments. Referring to those top four arrows that are around the ajna and the crown that are, I remember when I was explaining for yourself. You'd only had one reading prior to speaking to me about your design that you remembered. The only thing that you cared about was the fact that she mentioned that, or whoever you're reading was with that you could have eat in front of the TV because you were meant to be stimulated. Right? Yes. Yeah. I love that. Well we were at a conference, I was at a conference yesterday or all weekend. I was at a naturopathic health conference. These big leaders and shakers in different areas, and they were talking about meeting clients. Where they needed. Not necessarily you have to do this, you have to do this. Who is the person in front of you? And that's how we have to do it all as healers. But in traditional naturopathy and traditional Ayurveda is the same. They're like, you need to be present when you eat. Sit around the table, smell your food, be aware. Do you know we go through all this stuff because you're, your, you, your nervous system needs to be relaxed. In order for your digestion to work.'cause there's this seesaw between fight, flight to digest, relax. It's more complex than that obviously, but you need them regulated and you need to turn off the stress. Mm-hmm. To relax, to digest, to absorb your nutrients, create good hydrochloric acid and all that stuff. I know all of that as a health practitioner of more than 30 years. But I find sitting around a table. Especially if it's just with the people that you always live with. Right. Your partner or your kids or your parents, whoever. If it's a big dinner, like dinner party, that's different. Right. Conversation. It's all happening. But on a daily grind mm-hmm. I probably, because I also give so much during the day, whether it's to clients or I lecture at university or lecture online, I'm always giving. So by the time I'm eating at dinner, I wanna just shut down. I don't wanna talk. I want to be entertained. After I got permission,'cause I have always sat in front of the TV with great joy and eat a meal. I do have to watch portion control if I do that, but I've always done it and beaten myself up so it was so divine when that person was like. It's actually better for you to eat in front of the TV or be entertained or read a book or something. I realized after that got said to me and then after I told you about it, we talked about it. Being entertained is what calms my nervous system. So watching something on TV B actually regulates my nervous system. Right. I'm, at the end of the day, I'm gonna watch a show that brings me joy, my nervous system comes down. So I actually do digest while I'm watching TV best. Which is best super particular to you. How I more look at my own digestion and as well to like say something along with the four transformations, all of your arrows, point to the left. So the routine, the active choice of, because a left arrow to rere remind everyone is I am in control of how I am taking action on how I eat, where I eat and all these other things. Whereas if you have a right arrow for your digestion, it means your system doesn't need as much food. It just checks out a lot of the time. I will forget to eat now. I don't want food in my system prior to a workout or a long run or a long dance class. My body dislikes it, and I have a digestion style that's called closed, which means very particular foods, very particular times of year. I don't touch mango until it hits summer, but then I'm obsessed. Yeah. But all year I need to have bananas. And right now I'm super into salads again because all of the vegetables and produce in Ontario is starting to come out and it's fantastic. The more that I tap into these weird. Particulars for me and also being a Generator. I notice that all of these things that I feel like I have shame for on what I am eating when I'm eating it slow, my brain doesn't fixate on any of them anymore, which is a very short period of time of at least for my experience with food and health and my life, being brought up as a dancer and staring at yourself in a mirror for years of my adulthood and adolescent. I am very aesthetic sports. Yeah. Yeah, man. Very proud that my body and who I was surrounded in an environment I have been able to better, treat my mental health around how I see myself, even just as a woman. It feels so empowering to be able to say to a client. If I'm able to get their correct birth time, know these cool things about digestion to somebody, and to start to ask them these weird questions like, do you like eating in front of the, in front of the tv? We were looking at another chart when we spoke last, and I was like, oh my God. If they have the opposite. Like, of having low sound digestion. Is that my daughter? Yeah. Was it my daughter? Yeah. Yeah. Yet she gets great joy sitting in the front of the TV with me, which is interesting. I need to look at that on another level. And my husband is always trying to pull us to the dinner table and we're like, no, we're done talking. Yeah. I would love to know what his digestion is. I'm gonna like just guess energetically here. Maybe it's like a very singular. I for of knowing the ways that people are stimulated. There are digestion types that just like things to be simple, even if they aren't needing to have low sound. They have a very, to say a caveman diet of that, just give them steak. That's all I want. So astrologically he is a sun moon in Libra. But it's in the sixth, which is one of the houses of digestion. But for him, he is a verbal processor. His idea of a meal is that given share so he can tell stories to process it for himself. Interesting. He tries to find his balance, a double Libra. Libra is all about the other and sharing and that connection and being heard and so he has that desire to unload his day. Around the dinner table. Whereas by the time I hit dinner, I'm done holding space for other people because I spend my day holding space. So for me shutting down and watching TV is that I only have to hold space for myself. That's also very Projector of you. That's an Aries. Libra, yeah. Oh, is it? Very Projector. A Projector's energy as a whole loves to hold space. That's kinda how it's designed because it's taking in all of the energy around it for one, to give it enough energy for the day with not being a sacral being, yeah. Depending on how many other energy the centers they have going on. But also to just take in the world because they really are the Seers, they really are the Projector on the wall of I wanna take it all in. So in order to come down, I need to be de stimuli to what is how I regulate. Yeah. And for you, that is in front of the tv. I'm gonna say to, I even, I watched things that I've previously watched, like it, it's very A DHD as well. It's, I will rewatch a series multiple times because that's very calming to the nerve. I already know what's gonna happen and I get pleasure from it and it's just easy. I find the older I get now I'm gonna do this as a female. The older I get, the less willing I am to hold space when I don't wanna hold space. Like there's something that happens in your fifties, whether it's Chiron return or perimenopause, whatever. Everyone talks about not giving a fuck anymore. Yeah, you do give a fuck, but you just focus on when to give a fuck. Other times you're like, I got nothing. I can feel my battery. It's interesting, in long-term relationships with my husband, because he is this verbal processor and there's something about his energetics, I dunno if it was HD that taught me or astrology or somebody else, he does this huge releasing at night of all of his processes and. I've noticed over the years, I'm more sensitive to if you're doing this big release, I need to back away'cause I accidentally absorb it. I need to gentle, shut it down. Yeah. So sometimes, you get into bed, you have a nice cuddle, and then I'm like, oh, there's gonna be a pillow between you so you can dump it on that side of the bed. If he's really stressed, he'll process things at night through his brain. Whereas I don't think I'd process at night like that. Sometimes I can feel it just happening, so I'll go for a visit to the guest room, so I'm not absorbing all of his decompression. Oh, he moves too much at night. If he's stressed to keep it, the, one of the more nuances to design when you start going down is the fact that I. Very like original texts and original videos depending on what archive of stuff you're reading. It basically argues so strongly to the point that no one should sleep next to each other. It's funny and you know, in your twenties and you're so romantic and you're like, oh my God, I'm not, can sleep next. I can see astrologically, the people who are like, I do not sleep well unless my partner is next to me. Yep. It's definitely not me. Yeah. If I had my choice, I would be in my own little coffee hole. Your romance and then you sleep. And those are two totally separate things. Our bodies, regardless of how much you are releasing at the end of the day and say he's releasing at the end of the day, I have noticed very much through like transitions of being more in touch with my hormones and not being on birth control for an entire year. Who and what people I want around me at the end of the day when I'm processing as well. Typically, I've always been a good sleeper if I've had a romantic partner at the time, regardless of what's going on. But only now later on as like I begin to step into another realm of my life as well. I'm like, oh, this affects me way more than I ever thought it ever did. Even when I know it was before too. It's very interesting. Yeah. There's something to say about hormones there, right? Like we know. You know when your hormones are super strong in your twenties and your thirties as a female or assigned female at birth. You have hormones, whether we want to admit this or not, we have hormones that are driving us to procreate. It's survival of the species. Right? As much as people be like, I don't want babies, we are these animals with these instincts and high hormones, the drives. We have research now that when you're ovulating you will be attracted to very different types of people than when you're not ovulating, right? We know there's research, we've actually known this for years, but someone just wrote a book on the research of it and I love it. Ooh. She wrote a book, I think it's Professor Sarah Hill, but I could be wrong on that name. And it's called something like Your Brain on the Pill, or How the Pill affects your Brain. It's called something different in different countries. Fucking amazing. Sweet. She goes into the research of if you're on the pill or any type of hormonal birth control. We actually know this to be true also, if you're on antidepressants like SSRIs, anti-anxiety meds, it inhibits, or it changes your natural instinct of who you're attracted to. If we're naturally, if we all have barcodes, like at the grocery store, you've got a numbered barcode. We are supposed to be attracted to people with certain numbers, but also numbers that are very different than ours. There's this number lineup that we're typically attracted to.'cause it will create the strongest species. It will create. It's all about survival of the species while we go down to it. Even though we think we're so evolved. Yeah. So if you meet a partner or you go out looking for partners while you're on certain medications, you will end up sometimes, sometimes not. You can end up with somebody with a barcode that isn't normally what you would be barcoded towards. Then you end up in this relationship and then people go off hormones because, or medications because of whatever, they're trying to have a baby or they just don't wanna be on them anymore. Then they're like, wait, who are, you don't actually attracted to you. Yeah. You're not actually my thing. Even though we've been together for 10 years and like Yeah. We know that medications interfere with that natural signaling. For good or bad. From personal experience. That's crazy. I would say in only a year of understanding what that means for my own health, I'm like, yep. Tracks out as to who. Yeah. I've, been with in partners in previous, parts of life while on Yeah. Birth control and then not being, yeah. And seeing the differences to how these, two types of relationship times in my life operate. I'm like, oh my God, this is so different. Yeah. Yeah. The one I was only ever on TMI, but on birth control for a year, but the one partner I met while I was on it is the one I look back at in my history and I go, like, part of me was attracted to that person. No offense to that person. They don't actually know who they are anyway. Yeah. It's the one, when you look back in your history and you're like, why did I do that for like half a year, I was like, fuck was going odd in my brain. I'm almost not embarrassed.'cause every I, you learn something from everybody. But I was just like, yeah, that was so far removed from my mo It's, yeah, it's stark and strange. Something to learn. Exactly. Never admitted to that one. But anyway, now it makes more sense now. Now it comes full circle. The interesting thing that I think I look forward to the most in, uh, beginning to work with you a little more closely and jiving things of hd, of Hey, does this make sense to you? Correlating, yeah. The channels, which as you said earlier is correct. We do call'em channels. When two centers are connected, the full line is a channel. The half line we like, we just call it a line. It's not, there isn't a like just a name unless you're just talking about the number itself. One thing I was going into some things I was writing down this morning before our conversation, is that in another literature that I know I'm gonna work with for sure, that you definitely probably know the name of, it's called the Gene Keys. The gentleman that wrote the Gene Keys, Richard Rudd, studied with the developer and creator of Human Design and then branch off and did, I didn't know that. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Richard started with, raw Hoo, and then he broke off and wrote the Gene Keys. And within the Gene keys, like the full text. It's sitting here on my desk and I study it like a, like a manual basically. I'm gonna have to get that. I don't have that book. I'm gonna have to get that book. The cool thing about how it speaks about all 64 etching and gifts that are in our human design charts, it also correlates every single one with an amino acid and other I know, right? Oh, oh, oh yeah. Bombs of information of oh my God. As an example, if I know someone's Sun Gate, I'm also gonna look to, Hey, do they have enough of, so mine actually, number 29 is correlated to the amino acid valine. Okay. Do I have enough BCAAs in my diet right now? Am I getting enough of this particular amino acid protein? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are gonna be amino acid for my son. You have to tell me. Okay, so yours is 51 and I do definitely remember that. Let's look at it. Let's look at it live right now on recording. Oh, here's 51. I'm in the middle of mapping a lot of stuff. More to neurotransmitters than amino acids, so, okay. Not the story. A cool thing about something on your human design graph that I just think is so cool'cause I haven't seen it in any other chart, is the fact that you have, of all the 64 gifts that we could have in particular to the planet placements when we are born, you don't have any in the Crown Ajna or Throat, and I've never seen that in any heart. That's right. Which I think is dope. That's so cool. The amino acid associated with 51 is, 51 is the number of your Sun Gate is arginine. If I'm saying that right, arginine? Yep. Yeah. Arginine. That's cool. Interesting. So my question would be, I don't know what he says in that book. Is it that you need more of that amino acid or because you use it up more? Or are you really good at absorbing that amino acid so you don't need as much? I think it's gonna be the research of figuring out all of those, because it does not say what, you need more of this or you are not gonna have enough. It doesn't say. Yeah. Interesting. Arginine is precursor to testosterone and ni nitric oxide, like it's used in sport and for, for men and muscle building and. It's interesting. I love amino acids, but yeah. Yeah. Isn't that interesting?'cause some arginine foods irritate me. Some foods that are really high in arginine, maybe I absorb it too easily. I don't know. Maybe. Or that you already have a surplus in it, in your body naturally.'cause you have 51 as an example to say that it maybe this is the way interesting. So that if you have too many foods with too much of it, then you know. They aggravate you interest. Interesting. Or maybe it's because you're a Projector and you don't, your system is sensitive. So there could be so many ways as to how it could actually come out. Yeah. But the fact that he actually doesn't mention as to, why or how which, that this is associated which way. Yeah. With each one I'm like, okay, this is the next development of this because how also did you associate all of these amino acids with all of these codes? There's so much information out there. That's put together, whether it's channeled trial and knowledge, it's adding science and layers of the way people's brains works. Like I'm in the middle of, I gave a lecture on this the other day, so I've done it already, but I'm playing with it on a deeper level. I might've told you about this last time we talked. I would've been like peaking on this information. If not, we must have hung up right before I peaked on it. I gave a lecture at a conference recently on planetary cycles, so like the sun is 24 hours. The moon is 28, 29 days Mars, like how long it takes for a planet to go around a chart. Like Mars is two and a quarter y between two and two and a quarter years to go around a whole chart if we're talking transits. I was lining that up to different things you could do with your health, not just ailments.'cause as a naturopath, I'm all about how to take care of yourself, preventative health. The world knows all about lunar health and reproductive cycles and menstrual cycles and hormones and females assigned female at birth. Our hormones do run on a monthly cycle. We know all of that. But then we go, oh, well, males assigned male at birth run off of a 24 hour clock. Right. Testosterone has a 24 hour rhythm, but females create testosterone and males create other hormones. What we think of as the female hormones as well. I was like, wait a second. We have the traditional Chinese medicine clock. We have the Ayurvedic clock of time. In the west, and I've done a whole year of Ayurveda in the past just to line it up with medical astrology. Western medical astrology is your western energetic medicine. Right. It just got booted out of regular medicine, which is fine. I laid with the science that we now know in the last especially 50 years, and I overlapped the circadian rhythm physiology that we know scientifically. I overlapped it to the houses. Oh. Was I not doing that when we talked last time? You were starting to. We didn't like. Oh, I don't, about two days later. Don't think you said it out loud. Yeah. Okay. Holy shit. It's like, like we know when testosterone is highest. We know when we're creating our most melatonin. We know when cortisol is its highest. We know when your cardiovascular system is gonna actually perform best. The Olympics finals and sprinting and things like that is always done mid-afternoon to evening because we have be better cardiovascular capacity at that time. The scientists have been smart enough to tell the Olympic people when to run a final, to most likely have a world record break. You don't run finals in the morning? No. There's a lot of. Sport like that, that people don't actually realize is timed around physiology. I've taken as much science physiology as I can, and I've infused it onto the houses. Amazing. And now I'm even going into the hormones and infusing them. Then I've gone another step further. I'm starting to look at neurotransmitters and like I was peeking while I put it together.'cause in my heart I knew it was gonna match. Yeah. But it was such a beautiful match, which is the mathematics of the universe. Of course it's gonna match. Of course. It was, it's so beautiful. So I'm in the middle of creating this big table. I'll send it to you probably while you're doing my class. You'll get the table. I'm getting my daughter to actually create it as a beautiful graphic. Oh, that's amazing. It's so beautiful. The one cherry on top of many facets of all of the work that you already do. Yeah. I can only imagine how gratifying that now feels and then continuing to create it to see what it becomes. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. I can't wait. It's just a way to look at our body and our physiology. I even went into the science of, we now know like when the liver is most active doing certain things.'cause the liver does like 200 gazillion things, right? Like in Chinese medicine and Ayurveda, we have a specific liver time and everyone's oh, if you wake up between one and three, that's liver one and three in the morning is liver time. We also know at different times of day the liver's doing other things and we, there's actually science about when to give certain drugs to have the most potent physiological effect. That's all designed off circadian rhythm of organs or like when you give thyroid medication, when it's most, you give things about two hours before an organ is most potent. I've even been backtracking with medications. I got lost down a rabbit hole. That's an amazing rabbit hole that for me. Currently we're recording where I'm on Sunday night and you're on Monday morning, just like charging ahead on morning already. Is that the biggest thing that drives a part of my soul crazy? That I can't wait for it to literally, continually to be shattered, is the fact that, medical astrology and just understanding our bodies from a more holistic place, naturopathic medicine, Chinese medicine, all of these ways. Now including human design as well, that because it has so many of the ancient systems just put together again in a different way that why did we ever not use these along with all of the modern medicine techniques that we've now developed as humans over the course of us being on the planet because these ones still support all of this other research that we now know, that we now understand that why did these become so stigmatized, so forgotten, we shouldn't blame it on the moon. I know when actually, maybe we should blame it on the moon in an appropriate circumstance.'cause it's fine. Because it's supposed to affect us. I just laugh now. I know. I know. It's a funny thing, medicine and reductionist theory and scientific theory, and we need it and we do, we, I don't know, maybe the pendulum had to swing there and modern medicine will probably never accept this. I don't act, that's not my fight to fight for me, it's just playing with the mathematics of the universe and making a difference on individual people. I'm not gonna be out there, doing that world fight to take medical astrology back. I don't, it's not, that's not my, that's not my forte. I feel like maybe that will be my eventual forte, but now I'm like slowly just being chill on the okay, no. Do this part of life and research with it all together, and then fight that fight later on. I get too upset by arguing. Yeah. No. For me it's no, let's, if you wanna use it, let's use it. If you're not into it, that's okay too. But leave me alone. Yeah. Just leave me alone. Yeah. There's gotta be different stuff for each person. Right. What a great world. We're not all focused on the same thing.'cause that would be very boring in beige. That would actually make me more sad, I think. And more upset. I know. I'm just excited that I get to do what I do and part of it is uncovering hidden history. And part of it is taking our modern science and overlapping what we now know and figuring out how it all aligns, how they come together. Now I just wanna go work on that wheel today, but I have to see clients. Maybe you get to do a mixture of both. Yeah. Yeah. Kira, thank you so much for joining me again. I know we started to unlock some more things with even me just mentoring the am amino acids, so I'm super pumped too. Yeah, go down more rabbit holes with you on that as well as also joining your course that you are about to launch for. Oh my God, so excited. The beginning of Cancer season and Solstice, so only more great things to come. But I really appreciate your time today and coming back on to, to see. Thanks. Yeah, thanks for having me. Always great to chat to you. Always. I mean, s Moon airy son, we have a lot of fun together. I wanna thank you for listening to this episode of this Fearless Life Podcast. 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