The Courage to Follow Your Design with Jas Maylin

Join Frances as she sits down with Jas Maylin, a 3/5 emotional generator, soul success coach, and mom of three. In this engaging conversation, Jas shares her journey from psychotherapy to becoming a human design expert, how she integrates human design and EFT tapping in her coaching, and her experiences with running successful online coaching summits. They delve deep into the intricacies of human design, the impact of defined and undefined centers, and the importance of self-awareness and personal growth. Tune in for an inspiring discussion filled with practical insights and the magic of following what lights you up!

00:00 Introduction

00:41 Jas's Background and Human Design Journey

03:20 Human Design and Personal Growth

07:55 Human Design in Action

13:33 Challenges and Triumphs

22:14 The Future of Human Design

31:18 Embracing Personal Design

32:11 The Journey of Self-Trust

33:45 Experimentation and Pessimism

35:30 Understanding Burnout

37:30 Deconditioning and Growth

39:58 Human Design Nerd Talk

41:04 Defined and Undefined Centers

59:20 Living with Abundance

01:01:06 Concluding Thoughts

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Hey friends, we are fearless. Welcome to the podcast. My name is Frances Young and we're here on another episode of This Fearless Life and today I have Jas with me. The cool part about having her with me today is that we recorded a podcast episode for her podcast literally less than a week ago. We are now in the reverse hot seat. She's here with me. Jas. Hello. Let's do the intro. Who are you and what do you do? Let's do it all. Thank you so much for having me. I'm Jas Melin. I am a three five emotional Generator. I'll start with that. Yeah, so human design, just seeing what's gonna come outta my mouth. Three five emotional Generator. I'm a mom of three and I have a nine define identity center, so I just call myself a soul Success coach. My background was in psychotherapy. I dropped the license, just went into doing all the things I love as a Generator, should and I decided to just fully jump into it and things have turned out really well. Now I've just switched gears from clinical work into, still helping people find themselves, but in a different way. Integrating human design, I love talking about limiting beliefs. I wrote a book with human design Press, Ooh, magically got a book publishing deal, I think it was last year. I was delusional in just pitching my book idea and, they picked it up. So that was really cool, to tap in a line to your human design. And I run the Ultimate Human Design Summit. I honestly just do everything you do so that I know, I'm like hearing myself speak. I'm like, okay. What, how do you even describe what you do? I just do a lot of things. I like bringing community together. I'm a right angle cross of planning and, I just like doing things I love. My main thing is that I do all this to give me my energy and follow my passion, but also so that I can stay home with my kids. Then all wrapped into it and beautiful nugget, if I do all of this, and then I'm also a mom. I love how you mentioned that twice. This is still like this big piece of your path forward in life right now, being a mom. Amazing. Just wherever my creativity flows. I don't know how familiar everyone is in human design, but human design speak, I've got gate 14. Just doing what I love and creating, it's not connected to the two, but it's very much like, I don't know, just doing things. I know that I'm capable of it. When I have an idea, I'm like, how can I make this work? Guiding people through believing in themselves is also what lights me up. You just do it all. This is a beautiful, I feel like I wanna reminisce on this, we do a million things kind of moment and also speaking about Generator energy type. It is a human design podcast though, I know that there are people that listen to it, that are super into it and people that are still finding it and being like, they just get entranced into the language that we talk about. Please speak freely. When I have a human design expert with me, which isn't always as often, I don't get to plug and play in the same way that I would, uh, with an astrologer'cause it's a little bit different. Or a guest who isn't, human design, centered. So it seems that there's the theme for Generators that, you know, we do one thing and we master it, which is true. But then we also just do all of these other things like Manifesting Generators, get the air quote, that they are the ultimate multitasker, but Generators also are too. I wanna feel like I break that stigma for Generators. We are allowed to. Be super mom to have done this career and then change it and then still use it. How do you feel about that following the excitement as the Generator and still feeling like we are allowed to do a million things? Yeah. I feel like when I think about the big picture, so when human design speak as well, I've got the, gate nine in my unconscious sun. Sometimes I get like too focused on the details and I forget about the big picture. What I find is, yes, I'm following what I love to do. It kind of all connects. I build a community with my summits. I can share my wisdom and what I do. It's a win-win for everybody and it's just getting the community together so that everyone can benefit from it. I follow what I love to do, but at the same time I feel like they mesh together, if that makes sense. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. All of the things that you do do still bring together for how it seems to come out in your life theme, how it seems to still come out to feedback, to giving you energy, to still moving this through line? That I would say is definitely a Generator's. Energetic soul purpose, what it's like to be in the body of a Generator, just doing the things that we love. Before we dive into another question, love that you brought up Gate 14. I also happen to have it, it is my unconscious earth gate. I liked hearing you being like, yeah, I'm just gonna create,'cause 14 is the, I'm just gonna do. I'm just gonna see what comes to me. I don't care how long it takes me, it also has this side connotation of being the workaholic gate because we just keep going on it. It doesn't matter when we're just never gonna stop, kind of essence. It's a Scorpio energy as well, so it's very deep, it's very transformative. Our last conversation together is that we're both three lines. So I not only ran one summit, I ran another one. I ran a human design one, an EFT tapping one. Then I ran another human design one. I was trying to see what worked for me, what audiences worked. I still followed what lit me up. But like the second annual human design summit, again, talking about that Generator and mastery, it was like, I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna try it again and master the second one. The second one I got a sponsor body graph. Um, do com photograph. Yeah. It just picked up so well, and Dr. Karen Curry Parker was the keynote speaker for the first one, which I was like, what? That didn't even happen. Thank you. I know, right? I feel like that third line is I'm just gonna do it. I'm gonna just try, even if it fails. Yeah, just keep going. 14 third line. We're speaking to each other's drum and my body's already okay, Fran, it's okay. Just keep the train running. Now we did not say this together on our podcast when I was your guest last week. When this recording comes out, I love that this is gonna be, a piece of it, but I wanna know how human design found you because it's not how we find human design. It's the moment that it pops in when we are ready to receive the information. So how did human design find you? Yeah, I will say this. I love this question. I knew about human design, and you're right, it didn't land at that time. I remember like a Generator. I'm like, okay, cool. And I moved on. And then Saturn return, I had. A newborn or did I have a newborn or, she was young, a toddler. And I was laying on my couch. I remember'cause, staying close to her room and I remember scrolling on Instagram and reading about it and I was like, oh yeah, lemme look this up again. I went down a rabbit hole. I don't think I actually went to bed, which is terrible when you have, you have kids'cause you're like, oh my God, I'm so tired now I'm extra tired but I brought it upon myself. I just remember going down the rabbit hole and I think I was at a place in my life where, I had agreed to do this doctorate program in counseling and psychotherapy. I was pushing, forcing, it's that whole Generator's, like I felt like I should do it. Like my parents are refugees, they put high esteem on getting an education and having that doctor title and my brother was able to. Do that. It was like almost my turn, my older brother. So it was like, okay, I'm gonna make my parents proud. And so I was at a place where I felt like, okay, I have to do this, but I, it's really frustrating me. I don't actually, I don't actually like doing this. I thought if I finished the doctorate, I'd a supervisor. I just run my own private practice already. I just had this idea of maybe this is what success is. Then I learned I was a Generator and I was like, I'm supposed to do what lights me up. I'm supposed to see what's like, been frustrating me. Sitting in meetings. I worked for the university and I remember like sitting in meetings and being like, this is so frustrating. When I learned I was a Generator following what lights me up, like I said, I wrote down everything that frustrated me. It was like everything that I was doing, like it was like, what? Okay. So I didn't burn everything down right away. I was shaky about it, like, should I do this? Like I've just spent so much time building this life. Then of course my Saturn. Saturn is in my 10th house of Aquarius. Ah. Then I was like, okay, it's about career. Obviously there's some sort of shift here. I just have to admit it to myself. So I decided I would go all in. I had already been using EFT tapping, I don't think, in my intro. I even said I did EFT tapping, because again, I just never know how to describe what I do and who I am. I'm an e ft tabbing practitioner. I used it clinically in, helping people process trauma. Then I started using my tools that I had to see if I could align to this high highest potential of who human design, like what human design is saying that I am a Generator. Do what lights you up, waiting to respond and not pushing and not forcing. So it found me, and I had the tools, the personal growth tools. I had already done a lot of healing. Obviously if you're a therapist, you should probably be really self-aware of yourself, so you're onto your clients. Yeah, I've heard some scary stories, I really do believe in that.'cause I would hate to do that to like my clients. I already had the skills necessary and so I just went on this, I'm gonna experiment. Lo and behold, two, three years later, things like really started picking up. I had a lot of fears around being seen. I had a lot of fears around like my doubts, what was possible for me. I'm a five line, it's like visionary leader and I'm like, is that really me? Am I really a leader? I chose to align my beliefs to that. I really wanted to believe that was me. So I went through this transformation in my Saturn return. I will say human design has changed my life and it does for everyone. It's just at what point does it feel like there is no turning back? This is the way in which I choose to see myself, because then everything that's reflecting back to me in my reality is it shifting, is showing me that this is the way that, you know, I've always been, this is the way I was born into this life. Now I get to have fun with it. I think that's where, yeah, I'm slowly transitioning into and I just love how you said that statement. It changed my entire life. Full commitment of your energy into saying it. I've been trying to, even in myself, embody it more and more my own personal journey through life, my work, my relationships has very much challenged me on, is this what you believe in? Is this who you are? And every single day, that little bit more, yep, this is it. This is it. You don't need confirmation from anybody else to be on you with me. With you on this train. I appreciate you saying that with all confidence for even how I can only imagine the ups and downs of your journey through that time, let alone being a mom at the same time looking after other life. I've just been looking after myself like, so I can only imagine how that's been for you while being a mom then having more children, like kudos. Yeah. It's been, I think that was a lot of my motivation though. Helping my, I needed to understand myself and I made the switch in my mind, that I wasn't going to make my parents proud. I was gonna make my kids proud. That's good. I knew that if Yeah. Yeah. And I knew that if I wanted to model something for them, it would be to go after your dreams. That is why, that's what tipped me over. Can I really do this? My husband is insanely supportive and he's like, do it. I'll hold it down, get whatever you need to get running. There's times where I was like, I don't know if I can do this. A little bit of doubt. Well a lot of doubt here and there. Emotional wave. Okay. Yeah. 37 40. Oh, this is amazing. No, my god, I'm gonna fail. This is terrible. So, he rode that with me and he, when I wanted to quit, he didn't say anything. He was like, just do what makes you happy. Like, all he wanted to see was that I was happy and joyful because I'm a lot of fun. He knows that when I'm frustrated, it's like the whole, the Generator frustration is like wom everybody's, yeah, everybody's like down. The thing is that nobody gets it until they understand. I don't wanna be around myself when I'm in my frustrated mode. I wanna jump out of my own skin because I know how electric and excited I am and how everyone else feels, cancer rising over here. I'm intuitive to the 10th degree. They're intuitive back to me more now as well. I notice people pick up when my mood is not, this happy-go-lucky Fran of about at least six, outta 10 of, you know, satisfaction mode. Let's just put it that way. I love that. Yeah. Oh boy. I think it's kind of interesting that there's a parallel to a piece of our story of how human design found us. Is that for me, I was DMD on Instagram. By a friend who currently is just, an acquaintance in life. If I saw her and hugged her on the street, we'd have a great coffee. She was a client, happened to work out at the same gym that I used to co-own, and then all of a sudden she just messaged me being like, Hey, do you want a reading? I know that you're into astrology. I wasn't even an astrologer, studying astrologer at that time. It came to me right around actually the exact of when Saturn was in the middle of my return. I'd started my return, it was basically at its midpoint and then was about to hop into, the second half of my return and get a lot more choppy. For me, it was in my eighth house. During that time of literally just recon, conform, everything that I thought about the inevitable of life, of death, taxes, sex and transforming. Everything to do with the collective as, as well. My Saturn is in Aquarius and then the rest is history, at least for me. Yeah. You went down that rabbit hole and you're a one line too, right? Yes, I am a one line. We just right in and we need to know everything. We Google everything where we are no shame about the Google if, when you talk to people that have ones. And I just like love to pick up conversation to see who I can figure out in a room as a one, has a one in their profile. They will bring up Google all the time or, I spent this many hours searching on the internet, whether they mention a Google or not. It's quite interesting when you hear people talk about it, when you are a reader and you can pick up on cues as to try to figure out what people are. I personally love doing that. I don't know about you, but I love that. That to me is like third line too. I have the 1648 and a lot of people do confuse me for a one line. I can go down a lot of rabbit holes when I'm really, really excited and then I wanna yap on about it. What I love about the one threes is that you have the information, but I find that the three lines are like, here's the practical way I see it, this is what I see in life. I know from my work as a third line, yes I knew all the information. Yes, I wanted to change my life, but like I wanted to start acting on it. I wanted to see what was possible right away. Okay, if this is true, let's go. I'm gonna change my beliefs.'cause if anyone listening, subconscious reprogramming does work, you can literally rewire your brain neuroplasticity. Like you can believe in yourself even more. I'm from the perspective, maybe it's my background too. You have to clear the emotional baggage attached to the stories and the beliefs that you hold and that will create greater, you will just move into a state of believing in yourself. I remember tapping when my kids were asleep, my husband was asleep and I was just frustrated. As I was tapping, it went through the emotional brain.'cause I was frustrated and, why can't I do the things I say I want to do? Why can't I just make it happen? And as I was tapping, I realized I was sleeping on myself. That was literally the click as I was tapping. I don't know if your audience knows tapping, but tapping on accu pressure points. It rewires your response to stress very shortly. It's used clinically for anxiety, depression. But anyway, so as I was tapping, my brain just clicked and it was like. You're sleeping on yourself. You've helped thousands of people in counseling and psychotherapy. You have a master's in counseling psychology, like people referred you all the time and suddenly I remembered who I was and like that I was doubting myself. I was sitting in this. Slowly and slowly I just started rewiring myself. Then as like I said, as a third line, as things started to happen, I was like, okay, this is human design in action. I'm actually walking my talk and gathering the experiences of what it's like to be a third line and seeing what it's like for other, like I live with a six two, my husband's a six two. My kids are all different types. Love that projector. Manifester, manifesting Generator. My brother was a reflector. Is a reflector. Wow. God really gave me everything. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, when you go around and you like seeing it and how it actually shows up. I love the one threes for that because I feel like they know a lot. Then they have that practical stuff. I know I went on a little bit of a tangent there, but I know, I think that was fantastic. Just like you embodying now. My brain really wants to go into talking about EFT and I think that might be a whole separate episode. I personally do and don't know a lot about. EFT have used it on myself in different ways with regards to stimulating digestion and literally bringing down stress response from where it's popped up into my own world as a healing modality. The topic of rewiring our subconscious is the hot topic in health, wellness, spiritual land, of which we call our day-to-day world, which is fantastic. Then also my alarm bells go off on. We gotta have it conscious. We gotta, we have to, as the people that are doing this day to day, and you've already said this, have worked and understood our own stories, our own emotional baggage, our own, yes, to use the word trauma in order to make sure that we're clear of our shit so that we're consciously giving our best selves to help someone who's in front of us as opposed to the potential of gaslighting them. Or also just saying that, it's gonna happen overnight because it doesn't at all. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I do wanna get to this question'cause last week I was like already super excited once I realized that our wavelength of how we deal with clients and how we resonate with human design, our souls were meant to talk about this. The spiritual health wellness as a whole industry, we know since COVID as a timeline has exploded. In five years, even more than just breath work, being the thing that's going to heal everyone, the creating, your five step routine to success. As all these entrepreneurs think that they're gonna change the world, which we all are, there's a certain level of who has a level of integrity and who doesn't. Human design is an unregulated, somewhat out of control booming pot of people, which I love'cause we're both a part of it. My question is open-ended. I'm excited to see where we go with this because it's not regulated. What is one hope, we'll start with this, one hope that you have with the world that you're creating, the things that, and the clients that come to you that you wanna see happen and develop in this human design sphere? What's one thing that you hope to either create or that you wanna see change? What do I hope to see? I'll start with my background a little bit. So, entered the online space in 2020. I call myself a soul success coach. Why I went the route that I did, and I see the value in human design is because I hired a business coach right off the hop. They told me to go on live, go on live and share your world and this is how you're going to be successful. What I found, I don't know what her human design type or anything was, but what I found was the sticking point for me was, and I help sensitive, spiritual and ambitious entrepreneurs. The sticking point for me was I was scared to show off camera. I couldn't even share my voice the way that I am now. I used to sweat. I used to just be really nervous and I didn't have a lot of confidence and so a lot of clients that I have, even in count psychotherapy, they know what they need to do. It's difficult to do it. Right. I'm sure you see that in your work too. Like they're very smart. Okay. What's in the way? So what I had wished for was like, yes, coaching and knowing human design is really important with how you approach your life, how you approach your business. I wish business coaching, I guess at that time they could see like we all operate differently. At that point I was like, okay, where do I fit in this? Because I'm all about human behavior and all that stuff. And so I, that's why I combined EFT and human design together. That's why I help the people I help. You know what you need to do, but I really value taking action. How are you gonna take action and how do you best take action? And where are you being hard on yourself? And so human design shows you the energetics, right? You got an emotional wave. You don't are you soaking in this, are you living into your highest potential? Do you see yourself as a leader? So that's what I wished was that existed back then that we are all so different and we don't have to shame ourselves for not being, I don't know, them, like being little carbon copies of the successful people that you saw in online that you want that a part of your soul wants to have success, but then you have to reevaluate how you're gonna, what, first of all, what success means to you. Yeah. What that looks like. Especially based on your season of life and who you are. Yeah. So I think, so going back to that, I wish that's what was there and I think. That's why I've created what I've created now, combining that. Then where I think I resonate with that also resonate with still how we see that the biggest red flag, I always like immediately try to rewire in my brain for whatever is coming up on social media for me, whatever someone's saying to me on the street or in a session. If somebody's yeah, I achieved this amount of success with, this is how I do this work. Whoever it is, let alone, if it's another human design coach on the internet and they've got ads that are promoting, this is the way to do the thing. Now my immediate three line is like, but that's your story. What's my story? What's my experience To create the thing that I want to continue to show up as. A nurse who knows that they're a Generator, is just a human that is not in spiritual land, but uses this as their day-to-day knowledge and life, which is what ultimately I want everyone to be able to feel that they can do on the planet. Maybe that's my ultimate goal, is that we don't know where this industry is going just as much as we don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow in the political landscape of the entire world. You know, it's not to try to bring in politics to the conversation, but still we just, it's in more of a volatile place. If we all keep in our own lane of trying to figure out that this is the way that we want to say this information to the world and show up to the world in our most highest aligned self for that particular day. Our generation is still so obsessed of, I have to have the five year plan, I have to have the month plan, I have to have the, my scheduled Instagram posts, and now this, one three experimenter is like, no, I'm just, I'm gonna post on the day that I'm excited most to post. If I've got this event next week, I'm just gonna do that. As opposed to all the things I've tried in order to think that my business is gonna grow in XZ way. There's only one podcast I listen to. There's the odd one, I'll pop in and out, but it usually comes and stems from, one source to then potentially branch out for other ones. I'm very particular. I follow the Jenna Zoe podcast as I learned my human design training through Jenna Zoe, who is quite well known in the human design sphere now, as she's been at it a long time. Her podcast, she'll have on the occasional guest here and there. She's reaching out a little bit more. One thing that she, said to her audience specifically is, I think it was just her and her, go-to woman whose name is Taylor. She's like, every single day I try to just let my ego go on. Maybe I'm not supposed to have this app that's used by millions of people around the world anymore. Maybe I'm not supposed to have this podcast'cause I'm gonna keep trying to dive in. She's a projector. Emotional authority of, if it's supposed to stay, it's supposed to stay and it's what I'll have for the next year, day, whatever. Anytime I try to reimagine how much next I'm going to be wherever I'm supposed to be, I can't, I don't know. I'm always very humbled by the fact that even someone who has come to, how we see this light of human design, spiritualism, this where the world has gone currently. For her, I'm like, amazing. Cool. Because she didn't know that was gonna happen to her. So how much more every day am I gonna make sure that as long as I am excited about the thing that I wanna do, and sticking true to the essences of what I know are aspects of my design, but not also get too clingy to them. I have the 64, 47, I have the conclusion channel. Between the Crown and the Ajna and all I wanna know. Is I just wanna go over things over and over.'cause I also have 24 and 23 and I have the genius to free channel just to say a couple more things about the top of my chart. Nice. So it's obsessed with knowing and it's obsessed with being able to communicate appropriately about these crazy topics that maybe not everyone will get, but I make them digestible. I very much appreciate and resonate with if there is someone that I'm going to, stay in an esteemed way, I would like to achieve success in this re industry and realm. If they're also trying to humble themselves every single day, then that's an energy that I want to feel aligned with as to where I hope that our industry goes, as a whole. I love that. I think what you're speaking to is you value the people who are embodied Yeah. In their work. Yeah. Who are like, I think I mentioned earlier it was like walking your talk. Where it is like just building that self trust and they're walking it. They're not saying that this is like the, I dunno, you need to follow, this is whatever. Like I can say, I can sit here and say it changed my life, but I know everybody has circumstances, stories, meetings that they've put in there, traumas like you talked about. It's a journey to get to that point, right? Like you, and I think we need to remember that and not shame people, for, you're not acting in this way, you're doing it wrong or that we don't need any more of that. I think it's easy for human design teachers to maybe put out that energy, whether consciously or unconsciously, but at the end of the day, human design is for self-trust, for experimentation. Maybe as third lines we have that we are very open to experimenting. That's why we kind of have similar takes on it, where it's let me just see then a little bit of pessimism. I don't think this is gonna, I don't think this is gonna work. This is kind of, you know, and I can admit that, that I do come from that energy sometimes, but then I can be surprised when things work out, right? I can put myself through that and see what comes out on the other side. I think that there's a lot to say in the human design space where we're just telling people the information. And saying like, this is how it has to be. Versus somebody who's speaking from embodiment, who knows where this is gonna go. I'm gonna share, I'm gonna share my experience, I'm gonna share what I've learned, what I've witnessed in real life. Take what you can from it, experiment with it, but at the end of the day, see how that feels like for you in your body. That's the thing that even for me, three years in and overall, at least from the original downloader rah, he is like, yeah, it'll take seven years to seven years, put that in air quotes for anybody that happens to watch the recording. It's always a continual deconditioning or stripping away layers of the way that we thought something was supposed to happen, what we were taught, what comes up from past lives. What comes up is another layer of another teaching for something in our energy to learn. Generators and any Generators listening, definitely understand what it's like to be burnt out for us, as opposed to what it feels like to be a Projector and burnt out. I definitely, or a non sacral being for manifesto reflectors, not to keep you guys out of the cohort there on non sacral beings, but there, I know I don't reach the same type of burnout I did even after, even a few months of knowing what this thing was. Personally, I know I'm in burnout when I don't wanna go and coach a deadlift even when I love that client. It's been a whole other layer of understanding what it means when you're tired and you understand that you're frustrated. Going back to listening to thinking about things that you said at the very beginning, I should probably write down all the things that I'm frustrated right with right now. Because when we feel a certain amount of blockage or stockage or we are ready for another thing to come into our life, whatever that means. Whether it's business, relationship, more money, all of these other things. If you write down the things that you're frustrated with a Projector, if you write down the things that have got you, a a little bit, I would use the sentence for a Projector. How are you not feeling seen? Where are you feeling a little bit bitter of like, why does this person have this thing? And I don't just to say, another vibe. Those are the continual check-ins that one, take time. It's gonna take our whole life. To go back to, I think where I was going with this rant of that, it's gonna take more than seven years to decondition.'cause then there'll be a, there'll be a whole other layer that we will have tapped into by the, you know, so-called end of our seven years when we're living our energy correctly. That's just, we don't even know what the world's gonna look like at that point. So who knows? Yeah, I think you brought up like a really great points there with the seven years. I always talk about growth as an upward spiral. So like you can have this block of fear of being seen, which is what I see a lot, right? Fear of being seen. For an example, like showing up on camera and I didn't even have to hit publish, but I used to just be scared to hear myself and record myself. So that was one layer. As I started to use tapping, move through the fear, as I started to progress in the direction that I wanted to, I found that it was like another layer of fear of being seen and then starting the summits and having three summits, 3000 people total, right? With that it's okay, I'm putting myself out there as this host and creator. That's another layer. I think with the seven years of deconditioning, yes, you're always going to have. Blocks to work through. But also at that same note, you have tools like, I don't know, maybe it wasn't known that you can change your brain work through fear. EFT tapping has been proven to like change gene expression, so it's like really, really great. You can change and work through whatever you need to work through at a rapid pace. But that's not to say you're not gonna face a similar deconditioning pattern at your next level. That's what I always try and drill into the people that I work with. I'm not telling you you're going to release this and never feel it again. I'm gonna give you the tools to be able to keep going instead of sabotaging and procrastinating. As I was going through my deconditioning moment. In my brain, I was doing one of those spiral moments of should I talk about the spiral than you did? You're picking up what I'm throwing down, in this moment. I'm like, is your ana or crown open?'cause you're probably picking up on what's going on in my and in ground right now. They're open. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. So then you're probably picking up on it. Okay. We've talked about lots of things. We actually got through all of our my three main questions while pulling up all these other fun things. For our last little bit, for those that are the human design nerds listening, I feel like it's a moment where I wanna go nerdy with you to see what comes out of us, of what we think about and I'm just gonna randomly pull things out. I have five out of nine centers defined in my graph, and it's actually right down the center. I have everything open on the bottom. I have my spleen, my root, my ego, and my emotional center open. I've been going through my love, dislike relationship of this because for me and how intuitive my work is, the things that I do, I've noticed just how much more porous my body has become, the more that I'm in tune with this and how a certain amount of, I actually do need client stimulation as much as being a Generator and a sacral being, I need the energy of others in a day. Just like a Projector might. Just like the Manifestor might. Just like the Reflector definitely will. I wanna hear for you, what is your defined centers and how do you resonate with, even though I'm a Generator, but I need energy still. I have my head Ajna, undefined. What I have defined is my throat, the 1648. So from my spleen. My heart center will center sacral. Root and emotional center. I have four motors defined. You have all four and you have throat. Yeah. But that's interesting that open G. Okay, so yours is a completely different experience than me. I know people listening are like, oh my gosh, like she has three kids, she wrote a book pregnant, like she doing all this while raising kids, and like, when does she sleep? I get that a lot. I'm a lot or it sounds like I'm doing a lot. I have four motors, I'm gonna, I think that's part of it. When I wanna do something, I'm gonna do it. The way that I look at a lot of things and I know how precious, what you say it, like what you say impacts your body. I'm really mindful of that. Yes. I have three kids. Yes. I'm doing a lot. I try not to say that I'm tired. I feel like I have this, yes I have the four motors, but I also feel like I have all these tools that I use to. Support my energetic self. I feel my emotions, I use EFT tapping. I don't really suppress a lot. I regulate myself as much as I can. I feel like I have this grasp of it. I think where I need people though, I'm a triple split. Oh. So I'm like, here, here, here, right. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I can feel that, and maybe in this conversation if anyone is mindful of or knows human design, it's like sometimes when I speak I'm like, like a little over here, a little over there. I'm trying not to judge myself for it. I got the Gate nine, so it's like a little bit of oh, I wanna go talk about this. Oh wait, come back to this. I think for my triple split, I do need other people and other energies to solidify when I wanna like actually do something. I need to feel it out. That's where I need people. And it's funny'cause my husband we're nine to nine. Like he, we complete each other fully. Amazing. He feels like home. Ever since we met, we met in Cuba. It was like a whole thing. And ever since like we met, it was like, oh wow. I just love being with you. It feels really like safe and comfortable soulmate vibe. Yeah. Obviously. Then when I looked at her charts I was like, oh, that's why. I think it's so interesting from the human design perspective when readers look at charts of who the people that are in their life, whether it's your partner, your parents. The day I found out my mom was a projector, I think I had the biggest sigh of relief and. Even still to this day. I joke with her about it. She's yeah, I'm the analytical person and you're not. And I'm like, I know. I was given this parent in this way is to deal with this aspect of myself and my life and to look at myself energetically very differently. I think it's really interesting when you notice, say if a business partner is this and you fully complete them, and if your partner is this and you fully complete all nine centers, I've actually never had that with a partner as far as I can remember. I've been pretty close or there was eight and then ego was open or like one of those. In my life romantically since knowing human design as well, which has been very interesting. Let alone people's astrological charts. When you look in compatibility. Of course you have a defined ego, and I say that my tone is like, of course you do. Because for one thing I've noticed as I love talking about ego and human design, I think it's never a topic that should be pushed to aside. When I see somebody having defined ego, I have to really check myself around them. If I know that right away, because I know I'm gonna be the person that picks up enough amount of their definit, I'm gonna go and do this. I'm motivated to do this, I'm motivated to do this. Because mine goes up and down so much with being open ego and I have no gates there as well, so I'm just taking it all in. I don't know if you notice that with undefined egos, if you know they have undefined egos. It's a bit of a trick. Oh yeah. I have to tell my friends because, when you talk about it, and I used to be like more, I don't know, playing small. Because I would be like, oh, I wanna write a book. Oh, I wrote a book. Or I felt like I was doing a lot, but then I could see the looks on other people's faces and I hated that'cause I didn't want to make them feel less than Oh. So I would shrink myself a little bit because I felt like I was too much. Right. The defined centers are where you feel like you're too much. Then, now with my friends who, they've all gone, like my mom friends who are like super into, human design because I've yapped on about it, made workshops about it in town. I tell them like, yes, this is who I am, but don't expect yourself to do that. We are all different. You and I have desire, motivation, I have power view. You're full throttle on it. Yeah. Full throttle of my ambition and seeing, and I got the gate 54, really wanna see what I'm capable of in this lifetime. And not everyone needs to be like that. When I have an undefined ego or open ego, I see that they're like, yeah, let's do this. Let's go and do this, or I'm gonna go do this. I'm like, when I leave. You feel you're gonna like crash? Yeah. Know that's normal because I know that I'm sometimes too much in my energy. Use it, but release it.'cause it doesn't have to be you. Yeah. My self-care back to you is you never have to say it's too much in person'cause it's an electric energy. It feels good from coming from the undefined place. I really, I also like, I have to check pretty quickly or it'll be the first thing I'll try to bring up in my brain of, Okay, let's feel you before you go off anywhere else or click anything else or hone in. One more question on being nerdy, about human design. What is your favorite part of your chart? Could be a number, could be a defined center, could be anything about your chart. What's your favorite thing about your chart? An open-ended question. I like this question. Third line for one, but I'll go into a center, my undefined identity center. At first I was like, this kind of sucks. Oh, I'm like, yes, I could blend in and whatever. But when it came to, again, doing, following my dreams and seeing what I'm capable of with my undefined identity center, I decided to say I'm gonna just be whoever, like identity work. If anyone's into personal growth, like acting as if knowing your future self, your, like who you want to be, who, what identity do you wanna have, because when you come from that identity, it's easier to take action. And what creates results in your life is taking actions, taking action, and I'm all about that. My undefined identity center allows me to say, who do I wanna be? Who do I wanna embody? Like I'm, I don't put pressure on myself. Well, maybe I do. But I'm like, okay, I'm gonna decide. I said, I'm gonna be an author. And that was my identity. So then I started to use EFT, tapping my doubts, fears, whatever. What does a, what does an author do? I don't know. Probably write 10 minutes a day. I'm gonna start writing, I'm gonna let ideas drop in, whatever. So I started embodying that. And then, and on Google, I hit the algorithm jackpot. And now it's listed me as an author. Amazing. So I'm like, yeah, this stuff, this is amazing. So I think my undefined ident identity center helps me see people's potential. See who they are. Like, could be, I think a lot of defined identity centers come to me. Because they are searching for that, that path, that purpose. I'm able to guide them through that.'cause I'm like, we could be whoever we want guys. What feels true for you? Let me help you find your way back to yourself. I think that would be my favorite because I can play around with it. I can just like move in it and decide like, who do I wanna be? I was initially just feeling into what you were saying about that, that's your favorite and choosing that and like feeling body confirmation for you. That you do ultimately love that piece. For anybody listening that has open identity, I have watched open identity in my life. I have defined identity and I do love it. That's all other topic. I have watched undefined identity, regardless of energy type, have a really hard time in this world. So I love that you love that about your chart. That it, it does give you the gift of I can be anything I want. And that is ultimately what the center is trying to allow you to do. So to feel into that and to use it to its strength and that you love, that, that makes me happy for you because I watched the struggle. Yes. How about you? Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Ask your question. This podcast shouldn't be about me, it's about my guests, but maybe secretly I want Jas to ask me what mine is. Oh, see, I'm picking up on it. I wanna know. Yes, you're, you are. I ultimately love that I'm a Generator, to be very broad about it. I've got all the, cool things about what I can say, what numbers I have, but ultimately. I remember that when I was told I was a Generator and this happens to a lot of Generators, not all to put us all in the same blanket, but we do not like that we are the most populated on the planet. They're like, oh, I wanna be a Reflector. The 1% of the population, yeah, they have their own issues. Reflectors, you're fucking amazing. But you guys have also, yeah, your stuff you deal with. This is our big thing of we're the most prevalent, but when and how it operates for me is still very different from Jas. How we just talked about that. Our energy feels that some days I can't do anything as a Generator and I'm sure for yourself as well, but it will feel different in your body. I love how excited I get. I love how I can just feel that like people are like, ah, France here and like, because like they know that if I'm like in my right moment or the way that they know me as Frances, which is my natural essence, how I'm supposed to be this light in a room and be this sunshine and rainbows kid. 24 7. I love to be that person for the world. Just how magnetic it feels. No. And like better knowing that. That's why I'm like that. I like that for myself. I like that for who's in my world. Sometimes I think maybe a piece of my own ego gets to the moment of, well, Fran, if you're not, as lit up as you're supposed to be, then you're not doing it right. I like have really tried to strip that mentality around my Generator ness. Uh mm-hmm. I genuinely love that that's how my soul chose to be doing all the things that it does. How it will endlessly have enough energy to always dance.'cause that's something that I like to do and maybe it's also how my ego comes out in this statement, but I genuinely love being the light of my people as a Generator. I say that very non trying to clinging to it type of way, but I know that's just how I am. I've known parts of my life where I've wanted to tone it down or not, show my true self to say even how you've worked on some of your fears and disbeliefs in our, in yourself as well, Jas around, like who you are and what you wanna achieve. For me, I've definitely tried to work on my beliefs of it's okay when I'm this much, when I'm this excited, when I dress this way, when I look like this, type of mentality is if my hair was down, I'd be whipping it in that moment. Uh, from maybe also, shattering my disbeliefs in being a flamboyant, really open about just being feminine, showing my sexual side normally in a day-to-day life as opposed to being very pulled back, ready to go prim and proper ballerina from back in the day. When we do truly learn to love the energy type that we are for how, I'm in this level of love about being a Generator as well, is it's kind of that next step to life. One of my things behind me that I've had since 2020 is, love yourself. This was given to me, by friends that were moving out of an apartment. I think it's a very big statement, but, to love yourself and your energy type is a very important piece to how when you learn your design. That when you get to each level of, of the spiral, to even bring back that piece of our conversation, it's very awesome. It's a very awesome, very Generator thing to say. It's just awesome. Right? Yeah. I love everything you're saying about that, like just loving who you are and the energy you bring without needing to feel like you have to tone it down. I think the same thing with the Generator of am I too much? Am I too excited? Like sometimes I listen back to my other interviews in my podcast and I'm like, I sounded way too excited. Like, I'm like, oh my God. Like right, yeah. I'm like, oh my, is that what I sound like? Is this who I'm, but then you're like, yes, this is who I'm, that's me. You're like, I'm so like enthusiastic and excited, but then knowing like maybe'cause I grew up with a Reflector, like just the different. Energy, and I think my mom is a projector, like looking at her birthdate. Maybe I was just like, when I hear myself being so excited, I know people are magnetized by it, but then when I hear myself, I was like, oh, that's me. Wow. This is my voice. I can only imagine what it was like to have been the sacral one amongst other non sacrals that would probably, without them realizing that they are taking a certain amount of energy for their literal own energetic body purpose, not out of trying to take things from you. As embodying that differently in life. This is my last question, still that I'm curious, is your husband a Generator or non sacral being. Manifesting Generator. Manifesting Generator. I feel that, and this is from personal experience, Generators and manifesting Generators are a Generator and a Generator as, like just partners that have to go through life together, regardless, gender, whoever you are, really help each other out. They just always want the yes. Right. They always want the yes as opposed to the questioning or Manifestor and Generator's. Quite a powerful moment as well. But the manifester just wants you to also go along with their path as opposed to also saying yes to the Generator path. So there's like, there's a different dynamic with that one. That's awesome. He definitely encourages he, so I have the Ben nine. I have the nine 16 Sun Gate unconscious 16. So the gate of enthusiasm. Right. As my unconscious earth. He has that as his conscious sun and earth. So like we are like, just do it. Just do it. Yeah. Two Generator types. Just following what excites you. We play off each other. We always say we're killing it in the five D. Like we, yes, the 3D exists and we have bills to pay. We have kids and everything, but I feel like we live a life where we're like already retired. I love that. We just enjoy life. He has the left angle cross of spirit. So together, I feel like we create this. I'm very driven. I still, obviously you need financial security. He's got a secure job and everything, but we live our life as though we're abundant, grateful for everything. Just like living life to the fullest all the time. So it, yeah, we sometimes a little delusional together but it works, honestly, it works. If it works and it keeps bringing you the abundance, the magnetism of life. One, can't wait to meet your kids and just see how joyful and like, because they've got this type of energy around them all the time. You're always gonna continue to live that excited, what we say in 21st century semi-retired life. Hey, if you're happy in your life, then that is the life that you want, regardless if you're retired or not in air quotes, you know? I read something on Instagram and it was like, someone had their kids and they were playing in the yard, or I don't know, whatever, and they were like, I'm rich, rich. I'm like, that's how I feel. That's it. Like, it's just life is good. And even if it's. You have down parts, you just accept it and you don't try and like really change it. You feel it, and then move the way you're supposed to. It's like this is part of life. How do you handle being a human? You, you go through the ups and downs. It's never not, it's never going to be up, up, up, up, up. But how do you handle the downs, right? That's the key to I think all of the awareness, all of the points as to which we're coming to a head right now that, in society as a whole, what society's experiencing right now and why we have human design right now. To help us, and I'll bring back this knowledge that you've said a couple of times and I feel it'll be the perfect end off note, is that we're all here just trying to give each other enough tools to deal with this crazy experience that our souls get to have in this human body. Because we know it's gonna burn down, but then we know we're gonna build it back up again. When we find souls such as ourselves, that somehow just connect in order to continue to help others understand this and have tools in their tool belt, that is, it's, it doesn't really get much better than that. Yes. Oh, it was so nice. I feel like I could keep going on and on, but like I know. We're on my daughter's gonna wake up. We gotta get going. We gotta go with on with our life. Jas. Yeah, thank you so much. I'm gonna be emailing you post podcast'cause now I'm excited for the rest of the day and I know that you are as well. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, letting us know how human design has impacted you. Where can people find you? That's the last thing I know I always have to ask, right? Instagram, jazz js, eft dot hd, jazz mailin.com. That's pretty much it. Amazing. And it's all gonna be in the show notes. Thank you again for today. I wanna thank you for listening to this episode of this Fearless Life Podcast. In the show notes below, you're gonna find everything you need to know with regards to getting in contact with me. If this has inspired you to. Book a reading with me to learn your human design book, a personal training session or stretch therapy session. We can also talk about human design during those sessions. However you wanna work with me, I'm here. All the information, again, is in the show notes. If this episode has a guest, all of their information is also in the show notes. Now, I never like. A podcast that has an intro that's like, these are my ads and this is the thing, and this is a, and now I did that for my first three seasons and now we're putting it at the end'cause that just feels a little more me. So the last but not least of the day is I'm gonna see you soon honey. You're gonna go to my website, www.thefearlessprojectltd.com. And if you don't know your human design energy type, there's gonna be a graph on that page. You're gonna put in some information, it's some birth in from just so you know. And then you're gonna have a graph. It's gonna come up and you're gonna be like, what the hell is this? Mumbo jumbo If you've never seen it before. Don't worry, you're gonna be fine. Literally, the only thing that truly matters outta that graph is that you know, your energy type and a couple other nuances, but that's it. All the fancy stuff. At the end of the day, if you didn't know it, it would be fine. Knowing your energy type, strategy and authority off of that graph that you pull up is where you're gonna begin. I specialize in helping you understand your digestion and environment. And also how to work out, how to stretch, how to be you in this crazy life that we are living currently in 2025. So I'm gonna see you later friends, and just remember that you are fearless. I.