The Most Important Career Advice I Heard This Year

It’s been an incredible year of conversations on Your Career Journey, and I wanted to wrap things up by taking you through the standout moments, themes, and lessons from every guest who joined me.

From navigating redundancy… to changing career paths… to leading with purpose… to building confidence… each episode this year brought something special and genuinely useful for anyone building a career with intention.

In this episode, I’m pulling together the biggest takeaways, the ideas that genuinely shifted my perspective, the stories that stayed with me, and the practical advice that can help you create a career you’re proud of.

Whether you're exploring a pivot, stepping into leadership, rebuilding your confidence, or simply trying to figure out your next step, there’s something in here for you.

What you’ll hear:

✨ The themes that kept coming up 

✨ The best advice from this year’s guests

✨  Insights on leadership, confidence, career change, and growth

✨  My personal favourite moments from the show

Thank you for being here, for listening, and for being part of this community. I can’t wait to share what’s coming next year.

My first episode of 2026 will go live on the 6th January. See you there :) 

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Transcript

Emma: 0:05

Hello! Well, it is a slightly different episode today. The Eagle-Eyed Amongst You will see that there is no guest. I am here on my own. This is my final episode of 2025. I thought it would be interesting to do a year in review, to look back over the episodes, to talk about the different guests, and to highlight some of the insights and some of the things that I've learned from the conversations this year. And actually, that has always been one of the driving forces, if you like, behind wanting to do the podcast, to be able to share these types of conversations in the hopes that you know you might find an insight that's helpful, you might learn something new, you might be reminded of something that you previously did and stopped doing. And also you might hear a story that resonates and reminds you that you're on the path that you want to be on. So I absolutely love doing these episodes and having these conversations. So thank you again to everyone that listens and that has listened throughout the year. If we go back to Jan, I started with a conversation with Becca Spencer. And the things that really stood out to me over that conversation is I talk a lot outside of the podcast and on the podcast about taking control of your career and creating opportunities for yourself. And that's something that Becca has done, and she goes into a good amount of detail around how she's done that and gives some really practical examples. So if that's something that you're looking to do, then listening to Becca is well worth your time. The thing that really sticks in my mind from that episode as well is that we were talking about, you know, kind of building personal brands and putting yourself out there. And she had this great phrase around LinkedIn, which was climbing cringe mountain. I loved it. It really stuck in stuck in my head. And I have to say, it's true, you know, when you first start putting yourself out there and posting things, it does feel super cringy. And, you know, many times I've done it where I write something and you know, my hand hovers over the mouse. I'm like, am I really going to post that? Am I really going to say that? You know, you just feel a bit awkward. But the more you do it, the higher you climb up cringe mountain. And somewhere along the line, it stops feeling cringy. So that was the thing that stood out to me from that particular episode. Next up, I spoke with Catherine Toms all around AI in marketing, which you know it is a subject that you you can't really get away from these days for the obvious reason. I particularly wanted to speak to to Catherine about it for a couple of reasons. One, she is herself a marketer, so I think there's an additional level of understanding there of the unique kind of pressures and and things that marketers are facing. And also that she has spent a lot of time in the AI space previously and now actually has a business training marketers on how to use AI. So she seemed like the person, the perfect person to speak to about that. That episode covers a little bit around kind of what's real, what's hype, and where, you know, where marketers should be really focusing their time, where AI can help and and and other areas where it's perhaps not so useful. The the thing that really stands out to me from that particular episode that I wanted to highlight, certainly true for AI, and it's a broader point as well, is that you're not always going to unfortunately have an organization that's going to support your personal development. The clue's kind of in the title, it's your personal development. So the onus is actually on you to take charge of that. To, you know, ideally, if you can go to your employer with ideas and and see if they are willing to support you in that. If they're not, that doesn't need to be the end of it. Like you can take that on yourself. And I would argue that you should kind of take that on yourself and and look for other ways to upskill yourself. And I think particularly in AI, that's a really relevant point. If that is something that you want to do, then I would certainly recommend checking out uh Catherine and her husband Stephen Tom's and the work that they're doing. Next, a conversation with Kim Kearney, all around redefining success and making bold moves and doing things differently. Kim was a career marketer who decided to make a fairly big change and go out on her own and move from being a hands-on marketer to a marketing recruiter. And the thing that really stood out from that conversation, we had quite a big part of it, was around how she'd gone from building brands for other people as a marketer and something that she'd really previously enjoyed to actually wanting to build a brand for herself and how she found the process of doing that. And we also talked about how ultimately it feels quite different when you're putting yourself out there and you've become the product or the service, you know, the vulnerability around there and how she found kind of putting herself out there. And certainly true for someone building their own business, but there's also a lot of parallels when it comes to looking for a new role and and your career more broadly, you know, being more visible, putting yourself out there and how you can conquer some of those fears and and vulnerabilities through doing that and and maybe come back to climbing cringe mountain, perhaps. My next conversation was with Susan Toft. Such an interesting one. Susan had come from a background in corporate marketing and had been made redundant through the GFC, and that was a launch pad essentially for her to start her own startup tech business, not a space that she had uh previous experience in. She didn't have any technical expertise herself, but she saw a gap in the marketplace. Essentially, her business is called the Laundry Lady. It's kind of like Uber for laundry, it's a a marketplace, as it were, for getting your your laundry done. And she's built a super successful business since then. She's been on Shark Tank. And also, really interestingly, I think just in the last couple of weeks, I've I've seen it on LinkedIn, she's launched the business into Canada. So just a really awesome success story. And the thing that stands out for me particularly, and that one is two things actually. The how a setback like redundancy or an unforeseen you know event can whilst be scary at the time, might actually be the launch pad and the thing that actually really changes something for you. And then the other thing that she said, which really stuck in my mind, was she talked uh quite a bit about starting small, having a minimum viable product and and just getting going. You know, you don't have to have it all figured out on day one. And I think for anyone who is thinking of starting their own business or going out on their own in some way, I just think that's such a great piece of advice that you don't have to have it all figured out on day one. I think sometimes the the pressure of that or or trying to answer those questions is one of the things that can actually stop people from doing that. My next conversation was with Andrea Andrick, and it was around digital strategy, social media insights. I talked about her own career and how she'd built her career in that space and worked across various different industries. Quite a big focus again on the importance of strategy behind social and content and digital more broadly. We also had a really interesting discussion around, it's become a bit of a buzzword, and I almost hesitate to use it as I did in the episode, but authenticity and and why, although it's become a slightly kind of cringy word or a word that so many people use, why it's actually still really important and particularly in social and particularly for I was going to say small businesses, not necessarily small businesses, but perhaps owner-led businesses and and why that actually connection to the person is is so important. Next up, I spoke with Amy Barry about her career in retail marketing and and the things that had really made the difference for her. And in hindsight, the one that had really made the difference was saying yes, you know, the the power of saying yes. Initially, when she got into retail, it was a short-term contract. I can't remember exactly how long, but it was, you know, a couple of months or something. And then she ended up staying at that organization for I think 10 years, but certainly a good period of time. And that's something that I saw all the time back in recruitment, that it's a bit of a cliche, but I think it's a cliche because it turns out to be true quite often that you know, short-term contracts do turn into longer-term opportunities. I've seen countless examples of that over the years. The other side of the saying yes, which was really interesting in her story and she talked about was saying yes sometimes before you feel that you're ready and actually trusting what someone else sees in you. So, you know, if if someone's putting you forward for a role or recommending you for a promotion that that they feel you're ready for, saying yes, like even if even if you're not you're not convinced you're 100% ready, it's back to that old, you know, Richard Branson thing of you say yes and then you figure out how to do it afterwards. Next up, I spoke with Vanessa Lyons, and this was a conversation I was really interested to have. Vanessa started her career as a as a marketer and has in in recent years gone on to become a CEO. And I was really interested to find out a bit more about the the kind of the pathways and and how she made that happen for herself, which is something she actually really intentionally did. We don't see that many people, senior marketers, move into those kind of C-suite roles and certainly into CEO roles. So I was really interested to understand more around how she had done that. And as I said, she had really intentionally built her career path to understand where the gaps might be and then make moves to proactively fill those gaps so that she'd be ready to move on to that level. So if that's something that you are interested in, if you're wanting to work out how you get to to the C-suite or what that next step might be, the conversation with Vanessa is a really interesting and useful one. I then had a chat with Margot, Margot Anderson, and this conversation was all around how you turn global experience into essentially your career success coming back home. So how expats can come back to Australia and how they often actually really struggle in in that scenario and find it far more challenging than they're probably expecting. This subject is is one that's very close to my heart, actually. My husband was a returning expat, he'd spent about 11 years in the UK and coming back to Australia found it really challenging, much more challenging than he was expecting to. And so, yeah, really interested to have that conversation and find out the advice that Margot gives others. She's also been through that experience herself. The things that really stand out there for expats wanting to come home and actually not just expats, I think it's true for anyone wanting to make a big move like that is you need to start planning so much earlier than you think. From memory, Margot's recommendation, I think, was 12 months, which was quite surprising to me. I was expecting her to say maybe say six, but but 12 months to to you know start those conversations and and really start planning so that you don't arrive and then suddenly think, ah, I need to, I need to figure this out. The other thing that that sticks out, which uh is certainly important for expats and and people moving, but I also think there's a there's a broader point for for anyone as well, is around context and how context is really important and how as the person looking for a role, you need to provide the context, you need to join the dots for the reader, the employer, the interviewer, whoever they might be. You can't expect them to do it themselves. Even if it's something that you think is quite obvious, it might not be quite obvious, and and you might think, oh, I'm being a bit prescriptive here, but you actually you need to provide that context, you need to explain, you know, the brand that you've worked for, you need to give context to that position in the market, you might even give a you know a parallel of a brand here that relates to that. Same with job titles, don't assume that people are going to go and find that information if it's not readily, readily available. Next, I spoke with Scott Baker, and this conversation was really around career reinvention. He had spent, I think 15 or 20 years it was in retail, leading really large retail teams and moving into the sort of e-com side of that as well. And then he decided that actually he didn't want to continue in that space and he really wanted to make a big change, but he didn't necessarily know what that would be. So he speaks really openly and honestly about that process and how he worked out what the next step would be for him. The part of that conversation that that really sticks in my mind, and it's highly relevant for lots of people, not just those wanting to make a big change like like Scott did, but it's around leveraging your transferable skills. Firstly, really understanding what those core skills are, but not just thinking about them in the context of the role that you were previously doing or the role or the space that you want to leave, but how you can then bring those with you into a different space and take the experience that you do have in a new direction. He also spoke a bit about personal brand and how he's found building his own business and how kind of personal brand's been a really big part of that. Next up, I spoke with Damien Lucas. This was a conversation primarily around the Australian retail landscape. We spoke a little bit about the evolution of retail. The main focus of the conversation, though, and the bit that really sticks in my mind, he had this really fascinating story of when he was in a role and everything was was going really well, you know, marketing was kicking goals, and then the marketing just stopped working. And what kind of happened as a result of that? And whilst very challenging and and and quite scary place to be in at the time, what he's been able to learn and derive from that and and the kind of systems that he's he's put in place as a result of that experience, and a real focus on commercial outcomes and and driving revenue. That's the the part that that really sticks in my mind. And he, as I say, tells that story really well and and actually talks as well about how he was able to turn that, turn that round and deliver some some really important commercial outcomes for that particular business. Next, I spoke with Georgie Enthoven. She had just written a book called Work That's Worth It. And it's such an interesting subject to me. I talk a lot with my clients, and something that's top of mind for a lot of people around purpose is the word that often comes up, but you know, they're wanting to find purpose, they're wanting to do something that's more meaningful and you know, wanting to find that in their in their working lives. And she was coming at it from the perspective of how can you balance that with also having the financial outcomes, like you don't have to give up your ambition and your drive and the the monetary side of things just in order to be able to do purposeful work. And she's created a really interesting framework around that. She gives a number of real life examples of people that she interviewed for the book of how they've been able to do that. Really, really interesting conversation, really interesting lady. If that's something that's top of mind for you, I highly recommend giving that one a listen. The the part that really sticks in my mind, she had a really great analogy around networking. If you follow me on LinkedIn, you'll know that I bang on about networking constantly for how important it is and how it's something that you need to start now and and not kind of wait until you you need it. And she had a great analogy, which was your network is both your safety net and your trampoline. And I just love that. I thought it is so, so true. And there's also you know multiple benefits to networking. It's not just the I need a new job, I should start networking. Obviously, that's the safety net part of it, but there's also the the trampoline that your network is people that can you know lift you up, that can put you in front of of new opportunities. So yeah, I loved that. I loved that phrase, and it really, really stuck in my mind. Declan Edwards spoke to us about the the science of happiness. You might have seen him on LinkedIn, he goes under the happiness guy, which I think is a great uh, great, great tagline. And he talked about how to learn the skills of happiness and that you, you know, don't just have to be reliant on whether you feel that way or not. There's there's actually skills that you can learn and and tools that you can learn to help you feel more happy. The other thing that he did, which I thought was really interesting, he put it in not just the personal context, but also the context of the workplace and how you can build uh high performance and and how you build in essentially those those kind of happiness rituals, as it were, to to the workplace and and how that actually leads to not only a happier workplace and happier teams, but actually built high performance as as well. Lots of practical tips in that one, lots of examples and and lots of advice. So if you want to learn a bit more about the skills of happiness, then give that one a listen. Next up, I had a really interesting conversation with Emily Palladino about her career journey and and what has kind of driven some of the choices that she made. She started in market research, went to marketing, customer insights, really interesting examples that she gave actually around what a true insight is and how that's actually often misunderstood. The thing that probably stands out from that conversation was essentially the power of curiosity and how that curiosity had driven her. To take on new challenges, new roles. I think, but she'd actually also, as part of her journey, had opened a cafe at one point. So gone in a completely different direction before kind of coming, coming back into the customer insights space. So yeah, it's just really interesting to get more of an insight, haha, no pun intended, into why she'd made those decisions and what some of those drivers, drivers were for her. And as I say, yeah, the power of curiosity is the thing that really stands out from that conversation. Next up, I had a conversation with Peggy Sullivan, who refers to herself as a recovering busyness addict addict, excuse me, someone who was addicted to being busy, was really successful in her corporate career, but was at the expense of her health and some other kind of challenges that kind of running manically from pillar to post had brought on. And how kind of choosing meaning over mayhem had been the thing that really shifted it for her. And looking at, well, if being, you know, quote unquote busy isn't the goal, how do we make different choices and bringing in daily habits that can actually help you? So not choosing not being busy over achievement, but how you can still achieve and be ambitious and strive for things, but not necessarily having busyness as the goal. Really interesting. Next up, I spoke with Matthias Ma. Really interesting conversation. This one. He had also just written a book, really, really practical career advice tips, the stuff that he wished someone had told him when he was starting his career. He talked about lots of different areas that the ones that kind of stick in my mind were how to work with people you you don't like. I think in his words, it was how to work with idiots, which he had a had a good laugh over. And he's got some really practical advice around how you do that. I think if you work in any organization where there are other people, invariably there's going to be people there that you don't get on with and how you can bridge some of those gaps and hopefully still produce meaningful work and get on with those those people. He also had some really practical tips in there in terms of going for promotion and I was going to say guidelines. I don't know if that's the right word, but kind of tips, tips to follow. So I think particularly for someone who is earlier on in their career, there's some, as I say, really good, really practical advice in that conversation. Next up, I spoke with Chris, Chris Flegg, and this one was all around presentations and how to really kind of captivate your audience, how to deliver PowerPoints, sorry, I shouldn't just say PowerPoint, but presentations that you know really connect, they deliver your message, they they bring people along with you. And Chris has got a really great framework that he talks through in that episode, which really starts with purpose, really understanding, you know, what the purpose of this particular presentation is, and really keeping that in mind throughout. Probably unsurprisingly, as storytelling is wrapped up in so many things these days, but again, storytelling being a massive part of that. He also had some really useful advice and again quite practical tips around how you can actually weave stories in, you know, they're not immediately obvious how how you can bring stories out perhaps through testimonials or you know, real-world examples. Really, really interesting conversation. That one, I think if you're someone who has to present a lot as part of your role, whether that's you know, formally kind of on stage or or even just informally in internally in the organisation, so much in there, lots of really practical, say really practical advice, and really interesting for for someone who owns his own design studio that where design actually comes in that process, so much further along the line than you would automatically think. And obviously it's still important, they they design beautiful presentations, but it's really interesting to hear him talk about the stuff that actually needs to come before that and and all the all the pre-planning. Next up, I spoke with Camille Batiste, and this conversation was really around mastering leadership skills. The thing that stands out from this conversation, a couple of things. One was Camille's own story because it's really interesting, and and she talks about her own career path growing up in Jamaica and moving to the US to study in college, and and then kind of how she went on to build a really successful corporate career from from there. And now she's taken that experience into leadership training, coaching, and she's got a really good formula which she talks through in detail in the episode, the five steps to fast track your career growth. And they are grow up, step up, show up, speak up, and level up. And so she talks in in much more detail about those in the episode. I just thought it was a really great framework and again, really practical, and a lot in there that you can immediately see how you would implement that in in your own career. I think again, particularly useful for someone who is perhaps either just starting their leadership journey or wants to start into a leadership role. Yeah, loads of really, loads of really practical advice in there. Janice Lee Fu is my next conversation, and this one was all around the benefits of non-linear career paths and something that I think is just becoming more and more kind of part of the norm. I think the the days of the very structured career, you know, ladder, as it were, there's not so many industries where that's still the case, and certainly I think that's only going to continue going forward. So, yeah, really interesting conversation with Janice about her own kind of nonlinear path and how what that was driven by, and also importantly what she sees as the benefits of that and and what she feels she's learned from working across, you know, kind of multiple different industries and not necessarily taking the uh super traditional path, as it were. The one that stands out from that conversation is an analogy actually that Margot Anderson shared with me in in her episode earlier in the year. And that's the, you know, we always talk about it as we always talk about the career ladder, but actually it's not a ladder at all. And in the context of of the nonlinear career path, if you think of it actually as being a climbing wall, it's far more helpful. You know, there's not just this very narrow, there's only, you know, there's you can only go up a rung or or down a rung, there's nowhere else to go. Whereas on the climbing wall, you can go to the left, you can go to the right, you can go backwards, you can go diagonally, you can go way out to the side to come back. You know, there is no one route to the top, as it were. And I just think that's such a useful, such a useful analogy and and such a really useful way to think about it. And yeah, perfect when when talking about non-linear non-linear career paths. Next up, I spoke with Steve Jaffey. Such a useful conversation, this one for anyone that has recently experienced redundancy or is is going through redundancy. Steve is American, so he's talks about it in terms of layoffs instead of redundancy. But he's someone who, over his 24, 25 years in the in the creative and and marketing space, has been made redundant four times. Once quite early on in his career, the the last one quite recently. And what he'd noticed was the difference between those times. The first time, you know, he was devastated and really struggled to pick himself back up and and kind of you know work out why it had why it had happened. And then the last time, in his own words, he said he sort of sailed through it. And what he came to realise is that he'd actually built a set of skills and uh also a bit of a framework around how to actually navigate that and and kind of build career resilience. So he talks about that in the episode and and goes into quite a lot of detail around what he's learnt and and different kinds of parts of the redundancy journey. So yeah, if you've just recently experienced that, I highly, highly recommend that that episode. Then I spoke with Celeste, Celeste Warren, and this conversation was all around diversity, equity, and inclusion. Celeste had previously been the global director, I think. I forget the exact job title, but global director for DEI for Mersk, the pharmaceutical company, and had basically rolled out some of those practices around the globe, and she talks in in detail about that. The thing that I particularly remember from that conversation and and what stuck out, we talked a little bit around some of the certainly the benefits, but also some of the myths around DEI, and she had quite an interesting framing on it where she said certainly at Mersk her approach was much more inside out, she called it, as opposed to outside in, which for someone having come from a recruitment background like me, I sort of jumped to the outside in process when I think about DEI and you know, how would that work? Whereas she was coming much more from the inside out approach of leading DEI for an organisation of that size. How do you roll out some of those initiatives and what does that actually look like for the people that work in the organisation, but also you know, the benefits for the organisation as a whole. Then I had a chat with Anne and Anne Pocock, and that was around leading with heart and the importance of emotional intelligence. I personally love this episode. I've known Anne for quite a long time and had reached out to her to suggest that we had that conversation on the podcast because I'd noticed something in the way that she was talking about leadership and the language that she was using around leadership. She's very active on LinkedIn. If you don't already follow her, you should. And the way that she was talking about it and the languages I say she was using just felt much more holistic, and I hadn't necessarily heard many people, if any, people talking about it in that way. So was really keen to have that conversation with her. And she goes into much more detail around you know the research behind it and all of that kind of thing. The the part of that conversation that really sticks in my mind was a phrase that she used, which was you can't logic your way out of misalignment. That one has come up for me so many times in recruitment processes, where often, well, not even recruitment processes, but when I've had conversations with people that say, you know, I've been in my role three months and I I absolutely hate it. I I have to leave. And almost invariably they always say, I knew, you know, there was something off in the process. I knew there was something wrong, or not even wrong. I just knew it wasn't right for me, but they don't trust that that feeling. They they sort of logic their way out of it. You know, it's a great brand, it's a good opportunity, it's more money, it's what I think I want, you know, whatever it might be, but that feeling doesn't uh doesn't go away. You can't you can't kind of logic your your way out of it. I just thought that was a really great way of putting it. Then a really interesting chat with Kate Greenwood, and this one was about how to change the direction of your career without kind of throwing away everything that you've already built. Kate uh was a family lawyer, had been on that quite traditional and and actually quite hierarchical kind of career ladder that we spoke about before of the law and and gone into gone into practice and had been practicing as a as a family lawyer. And she realized after a period of time that she actually didn't want to continue in the role, that sort of being in a content constant state of of combat and and kind of fighting for your clients, as you were, just uh didn't didn't really work for her. And her her first instinct was to leave. But actually, what she ended up doing was having a really kind of open and honest conversation with her employer, and and they ended up creating a whole new role for her. So she still works at the same organization, still with that essentially focus on on family law, but now leads the innovation and AI technology rollout. So all of the experience she has as a lawyer and had in the organization is still highly, highly relevant, but she's taken it in a slightly different direction and is actually doing a role that, well, not only did she not know existed, didn't exist before she before she had that conversation. So yeah, having that open, open, honest, and and kind of brave conversation is is the part that that stands out from that conversation. And then my final guest of the year was Keith Abraham, and this conversation was all around goals, how to set better goals, but more importantly, how to actually achieve them. I think it's interesting, and I just did it myself. You know, we talk about goals and we talk about goal setting, but actually that's not the important point. The important point is goal achievement. And really interesting conversation with Keith. He's built his career sort of 30 years or so in that space, researching, you know, writing about, speaking about, training globally, and really kind of building a database, as it were, of what makes goals stick and and how you can actually set more meaningful goals, but more importantly, as I said, go on to achieve them. And the bit that really stands out from that conversation, that the insight I took was it's the importance of the emotional connection to that goal. It's it's not enough to just go, oh, I want to do X, Y, and Z. Um, you need to understand why emotionally that is important to you and what the emotional driver behind that is. And and there's some other steps in in the process as well. I'm over oversimplifying slightly, but that emotional connection point is is the one that really stands out. And Keith does go into quite a good amount of detail in that conversation around what that process is, the framework, and also give some details of some free resources where you can actually find out more about what your emotional connection is. So really interesting. And I thought it was a great one to a great final guest to have for the year as end of year, start of the next year. Invariably we all start to think about, you know, what do I want to achieve next year? What goals am I setting for myself? So, yeah, having a framework to help with that and actually make sure that you're achieving those goals, I thought was useful. So that was 2025 on the on the pod, on the Your Career Journey podcast. 23 conversations, I think it was. As I said at the start, thank you so much to everyone that listens. Thank you so much to the guests that have come on and shared their experiences, their career journeys, their knowledge, their insights. I absolutely love having these conversations and I love that they are resonating with people out there. So I will absolutely be back next year with more conversations. I've already got six or seven booked in, and the first episode will go live on Tuesday, the 6th of Jan. And that one is going to be all around redefining success and redefining success for yourself. Thank you so much for listening, and I will see you next year.