Vigorously with Val Kleinhans

Resider Bring Self-Shade to Nu-Metalcore

• Val Kleinhans

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What does shading yourself look like? Is it more important to roast yourself, or others? Resider chose to take a balanced approach on the subject while they gear up for tour and more nu-metalcore music headed our way later.

Val and bassist Niko Bowers play "Is AI accurate?", chat about touring essentials, Dune, and what being a musician really looks like in 2026.


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SPEAKER_00

Shade, we were writing the the songs and we were writing the lyrics, and we realized that most of the songs were like either internally or externally, like throwing shade, you know, and and calling things out and calling people out. And and we realized that a lot of our music is about that, like you know, rat race is like calling out society on on you know just the the grinding wheel that it is.

SPEAKER_02

We're gonna go into the idea that we shouldn't be living living.

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We should be living mindfully vigorously.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to another edition of Vigorously with me, Val Kleinhands. Very, very super stoked to have another Italian American in the building. I mean, we've we've been like having fun with these episodes lately. Yes, the Pisons are here talking about our roots. We've been having a lot of fun with this one already, but I'm pleased to welcome Nico from Bresider here. Thank you so much for coming, sir.

SPEAKER_00

Hey, yeah, not a problem. Glad to be here.

SPEAKER_01

You just got married not too long ago. So how's Mary life?

SPEAKER_00

It's it's been good, you know. We we we eloped back in November of last year, and we just kind of did that because there was just some family aspects that kind of we initially had a small ceremony planned. We had like a family emergency that completely derailed that plan. So we just went to the courthouse because A, we were just tired of not being married, and B taxes, which you know, of course, why not? But then we did uh we did a whole big wedding with the friends and the family and everybody, just a few, yeah, just like a couple months ago now. And it's been uh it's been nice, it's it's weird. I feel like it still like hasn't set in. Sometimes it hits me, and I'll just be like standing around. I'll be like, Oh, yeah, I was just talking to my wife, and I'm like, Oh, what the hell?

SPEAKER_01

My wife, right? When you're in the grocery store and you're like, This is my husband, like you just say that word for the first time, you're like, Oh my god, I can actually say that now.

SPEAKER_00

Or fiance feels the same, like same thing, it's it's the same realization, but it's it really is well, and it's also funny because you know I can only imagine how it is for her because she had to change her last name and everything.

SPEAKER_01

Pain in the ass. Yeah, we'll do it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, she got a packet thing that like came in handy, it came with everything she needed, but like even then it was like a waiting period and a process, and then it's like there's not a packet for updating all of your random little things. So, like, I'm gonna pick up her order from like Michael's, and I'm like, is it under this or that? Like, uh, have you changed your name at Michael's yet? I think that's when you know it's serious when you start showing up to pick up their like Walgreens orders, and it's like, oh, she has my last name on there. Cool.

SPEAKER_01

That's right, I can pick this up for her. Not yeah, get give it a year, and then that'll that'll chill out, thankfully. Yeah, it takes usually for me, it took like about a year before that stuff relaxed, and before we were able to like do that type of thing for each other, like you're talking about, like picking up scripts and stuff. Well, that is amazing. Congratulations. Thank you. We're gonna play a little bit of a game too to set this off right. I want to have some fun and play how accurate is AI. You have heard of Wikipedia fact or fiction. We're gonna do our own AI version of that with but just by taking what AI says about Resider, and you can confirm or deny, and you can tell me if this is accurate. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01

All right, so this is what I found. According to Google's AI, Resider is a San Diego-based independent alternative metal core band blending heavy new metal influences with modern electronic production and aggressive, emotionally charged vocals. Known for the intensive live performances, their sound combines hard-hitting riffs, industrial textures, and melodic hooks with recent releases, 2025 to 2026, including Gasfight, Sulfur, and the Shade EP. Other key details about the band's style, often described as a mix of new metal and modern metal core, with influences drawing comparisons to bands like Lincoln Park and Ramie the Horizon. On socials, they operate under the handle at Resider Official. Recent releases again include songs like Death Adder, Rat Race, and Animal I Have Become. Sound, their mix focuses on themes of personal struggle, modern life, struggling or featuring industrial textures and melodic aggressive vocals. They're honing in on the vocals, dude. They're really, I mean, they really are.

SPEAKER_00

When you got a vocalist like Will, it's kind of hard not to. That man, that that it was so funny. So, first off, it's pretty accurate. I feel like they just pulled our bio out.

SPEAKER_01

Did they? Okay. It's it's pretty accurate. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they're like, here's these guys' bio. Yeah, no, but it I think that's pretty spot on. It's when the band started, it was so funny. So we initially, this band is kind of like the the the phoenix rising from the ashes of a previous band that we were in. Me, the drummer, the vocalist Will, and um, and the guitarist were in another project called Thorn, and it was just belligerently like heavy, like crazy time signatures. It was like Dillinger Escape Plan if they were like Deathcore.

SPEAKER_01

I love Greg.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Oh, yeah, killer, killer. And our our vocalist, also huge fan of Dillinger. And um, we were doing that for a while. We had one member that like literally dropped off the face of the earth. Um, yeah, like pulled a Houdini on us. Like he was one of like just like I we haven't talked to him in years now, and I for all I know, I don't think there's bad blood, but he just disappeared. And then we kind of one day were just talking, we're like, Do you guys ever want to do this anymore? And that band, me and Will both did vocals, it was kind of like the volume setup. Um, and when we came over this, he's like, I'm done with like just all screaming, and I was just like, then you are the vocalist without a doubt, because he is an incredible singer compared to me, who's what we call a passable singer. Auto-tune is a lot of heavy lifting, you know.

SPEAKER_01

The videos and the music I'd listened to, like you're definitely background. I mean, I hear it. You're you're you're pulling in the background vocals there. So let me ask this the new metal portion of the program. Does that was that a mutual agreement? You we're probably close to nature, so I'm guessing that's our area.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. Okay. So it it was kind of it just kind of happened in a weird way, you know. Our our guitarist AJ, he he did a lot of the writing. Him and Will are the big writers, like me and Bentley. We step in and we write our parts when we can, and we we give our two cents, you know, when we can. We're always there together when we write. But I think it was after we put out like our first few singles, we kind of got that vibe of like, yeah, this is very much like new metal. At first it felt almost like Beartooth, but we were like, no, like we're not arena rock, you know. And then the more we put out music, the more we had those really kind of like hard-hitting, driving, you know, just dan and stuff that you hear in in uh you know old new metal songs all the time. And it's literally just became Lincoln Park without the rapping because none of us can rap. If we could rap, I'm sure there would be rapping. And trust me, we've tried.

SPEAKER_01

Please release that. Please put it out anyway.

SPEAKER_00

It's it's yeah, I I like to be a successful artist, so that's staying in the bowl.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. And call back to Bear Tooth, man. They they that's I've always felt that personally that they're underrated. I'm just gonna say, and everybody's shocked about what Caleb just did with the video not too long ago. I'm like, where have you been? Where have we been? That was I clocked that immediately. We knew that that was coming. We knew the fish net like the crop topped all that whole thing. We knew it was coming. Why is this a shock?

SPEAKER_00

So I just saw Beartooth Live with with Bad Omens and President, like uh back in in back a few weeks ago. And and and I've seen Beartooth Live, I don't know, that's like the third or fourth time, and every time they're so good, and I did not understand in the slightest, like all the backlash. And like the thing that blew my mind the most, and maybe it's just because like I'm an old head, and I grew up with like like listening to bands like Poison and Motley Crue, everybody's like, Oh, he's dressed so feminine. I'm like, you guys forgot the roots.

SPEAKER_01

You really did, honestly. And like Caleb has kind of done that the entire time. If you really think about if you really, really think about it, like we're about to get into the OPEC Heritage like argument here, too. Like the signs were there. There, the the signs for the prog switch were there.

SPEAKER_00

It was all oh, yeah, absolutely. No, he I mean at the end of the day, like the man worked hard to like get in shape. Like, if he wants to show it off, like I'd if I was in shape, I'd wear a crop top, but nobody wants to see that.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, so let's get into your background and what you love about music. We're hearing a little bit about it, your influences now. What were the first things that took hold for you that you were really doing?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so me growing up, I grew up from like a very music-centric household. Like my dad and my uncle used to run the um amphitheater at Fresno State University and brought through bands like Cream and Janice Joplin and Frank Zappa and stuff like that. You know, so I I grew up in a house that like rock and roll was just always like right at my fingertips. I remember my first concert was Leonard Skinnard, and then my second concert was like Cether.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

So like I always had like a really eclectic kind of music taste, but I think it was alternative music that really kind of pulled me in, just like A, the sound, B, it was really just the time, you know. I like I'm a I'm a product of the 90s and early 2000s is when I, you know, became an adult officially, or started becoming more of a you know forming my own opinion on things, and that's when new metal was at its peak, you know. So it stuff like that was just really normal. I think what really kind of pulled me into alternative music and like the realization that it was alternative music was Breaking Benjamin. Um, you know, I always listen to Lincoln Park and Corn and stuff like that, but I remember hearing Breaking Benjamin in middle school. There's like the so-cold uh single that they put out, and I was just like, whoa, this is incredible. And from there it went to like I heard like no not good enough for truth and cliche by Escape the Fate. And that was my first like taste of post hardcore. And from there it just kind of like opened up in San Diego. You know, we have a what I think is like a fairly famous venue. We have Soma. And I remember being at Soma seeing bands like you know, like Dance Game and Dance and Alsana and Chyotos and Infere and Faith and and A Day to Remember, and you know, seeing these bands that now I mean not all of them, obviously, but seeing bands like a day to remember playing like main stage Soma, which is you know not a very big room, it's not small, but it's not huge, to going and playing like arenas. And it's just so crazy to see how that evolves. So I I think for me when it comes to music, what really kind of pulled me in was the community, and what music always meant to me was pretty much that. It's it's just uh, you know, I as everybody does, you know, you're growing up, you're going through your formative years, certain things happen. Like when I was younger, I lost my mom, and I kind of felt like I was missing that. I was missing that sense of you know community and a bond and stuff like that. And you know, as any 14-year-old who loses a parent, you know, you're gonna have a lot of angst and you know emotions that you know how to process. And music was always how it helped it, always how I processed my stuff and processed those feelings that I didn't completely understand and meant so much to me outside of just something to enjoy. But it it was it was literally therapy. I feel like it's such a generic answer to give, but it's what it was, you know. I I I didn't know how to deal with that stuff, and you know, going to a concert uh every weekend and seeing my friends and and you know, slamming 40s in the parking lot, you know, was how we dealt with our problems back then, and it was it was awesome. And and I I then as I got older, I realized that like doing that all the time does not agree with my health, you know. I hit 30 and like every joint suddenly started screaming, yeah. But I I kind of wanted to, you know, pay it forward, and that's that's why I do music is that like I yeah, sure, I love to play shows. Yeah, I love to travel, I love to see new places, I love to write new music. I'm sure there's a little bit of ego in there too. But really, I my main goal is that if I can play a concert and like I can do something for like somebody in the crowd that music did for me, then like as far as I'm concerned, I I did a good job, and I'm I'm happy that I was able to do that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, giving a voice to that 14-year-old that might be in a similar position, going through the going through the same things that you did when you were latching on to all this in the beginning.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. And and even if it's just like they're not going through hard times, they just want to have a good time with their friends. Like I talk about our drummer, you know, we've been friends since second grade, and me and him talk about it. And I'm like, think of all those stupid shows that we went to like 16 years ago that we still talk about today and talk about how much fun we had. Like it's creating a memory. Like, I I would love for Resider to be the band that you know, when these kids that are like, you know, 16, 17 are in their 30s, they're gonna be like, Oh, remember that band? Yeah, remember that band we saw, Resider, at some random shitty venue, and you know, bum fuck who knows what city we played that day, and they're like, that was such a sick night. Like that'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I you're on your way. I feel it. You the passion is evident, and I love hearing and seeing that. The base of it all, where did that come into play? Was that always from the beginning? Like, was that the yeah, bass, guitar, any of it?

SPEAKER_00

So, uh it to be honest with you, I had always played bass. So, like, I was always a vocalist. Like, me and Bentley used to be in a metal core project called Made of Dishonor, and it it like, don't look that up, it's terrible music. But um, but um, you know, I was always a vocalist. I did screaming vocals, like I you know, idolized people like Levi Ben and Randy Blythe from Lana God and all Ollie Sykes, um, and all or all generations of Ollie Sykes vocals, you know. Um, and I always played guitar and bass just kind of for the hell of it. It was never really like a thing that I thought was ever gonna be like where I was. Um when this band started, I was enjoying playing bass. I was playing it here and there just for the fun of it, and then Will did vocals, so I needed to do something, and I wasn't as good a guitarist, and I'm a terrible drummer. So it just kinda yeah, it just kind of happened. This band has forced me to to pick up a lot of things that I never really expected to be my thing. But now I here I am, you know, like I just ordered my custom bass from Ernie Ball, and I I've got you know, we just got I got that the dark glass endorsement, and I like him falling in love with the world of bass, um, to the point where it it just it it's not something I expected, but it just feels so natural to be here. Um, so yeah, it it was just kind of like a a a means of necessity, and it it it kind of turned out like the clash. Like when the clash started, none of them knew how to play anything. Yeah, they were terrible. Anything Joe Strummer is one of my personal heroes. Um and and yeah, they they all sucked at their instruments, and then they just eventually got good at them or good enough, you know. So that's that's me. I'm just following the footsteps of my of the the the punk rockers that came before me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think I agree with you. I think it's important to keep an attitude of at the very least being willing to experiment, at the very least being willing to play around, you probably look at the studio as your chemistry lab, I would imagine, when you're putting everything together.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's it's very much like it's very much like I you kind of have that realization as time goes on, too, like the the musicians that really make a difference, like for like you know, go back to Breaking Benjamin, the you know, basis for Breaking Benjamin off of those first two albums. I didn't realize just how much influence he had on those albums and those songs, and and how much he really helped define their sound. And then you have the more obvious ones, like you know, Flea and Getty Lee and stuff like that. And you start to realize once you're in the world of it, like how much that instrument makes a difference in the songs that you listen to, and you start to latch on to it. It's kind of like one of those things that's like it's there in front of you this entire time, and then once you kind of catch on to it, you know, like when you when you suddenly buy a new car and suddenly every car you see on the street is your car. Isn't that how bass model? Yeah, that's how bass has been for me. It's I I picked it up and I learned it, and I started realizing all the things that I love about it. And it I play bass so much that sometimes I pick up a guitar and I go, Oh my god, what do I do with these two extra strings?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, that's hilarious. You're probably looking around at, I mean, you alluded to this a little bit ago too, looking around at other acts that come from California, other acts that you've seen in California, they've gathered a fan base there, will say, There's so much going on. I'm slowly learning very quickly that California as a whole has ties to core in general, multiple ties to core in general. So, what is it? I want to I'm curious as to what it is about California that is a conducive environment for the creation of core.

SPEAKER_00

You know, uh you could probably put a few things out there. I think that like California in general, you know, we've always been a big staple in like alternative music. I mean, look at look at LA, you know, like as a San Diego person, I hate giving out letting LA lay on its laurels, you know, because they're like our enemy, especially when it comes to baseball. But like, I mean, you had some of the biggest what was alternative at the time coming out, you know, Metallica, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Guns N' Roses, Poison, Cinderella, all these bands that were like, yeah, they were rock, and rock was a well-established thing with people like the Beatles and stuff, but it became the counterculture. And I think that like if you look at Los Angeles, if you look at San Francisco, you look at San Diego, like we embrace that counterculture. The West Coast in general. I mean, look at Portland, look at Washington. It's it's it's always been this place where it's such a big area and there's so many different walks of life that it it it becomes almost natural that you have this kind of outlier build and appear. And it's it's become such a big thing right of here, especially for you know the bands that we grew up listening to, like Metalcore and Poster Core. You know, you look at you know, Pierce the Vale. I mean, Eddie Vetter from uh Pearl Jam is from San Diego, you know. It's it's I think it's just the environment, and I think it's just the fact that there like it's California, especially Southern California. I think it's also just like it's a cheap way to have fun. You know, it's expensive here. And and we we get beat down by a lot of things in you know, the economy and social issues, things like that, where having that counterculture and having that ability to kind of take a step off the the standard path and off the beaten path is just kind of something that happens here a lot. I'm I'm sure that if there's like a psychologist out there that could break it down a lot better than my my zero years of psychiatric uh professional schooling is uh you know, is t tells me and not a lot, but I'm sure there's somebody out there that could break it down for you. But I I think a lot of it comes from just like you know, I LA. LA and the music scene there, and and that was the idea. You you you're some from some shitty Midwest town that nobody knows about. Like, what do you do? You get on a bus, you go to LA, and you pray to God that you make it. And that worked out for some of the biggest acts today, right? You know, and I think that because of that, that kind of mentality has just ingrained itself into California. At the idea of like, why do I need to leave my hometown? I'm already here, I can do it here. And then you see these acts that blow up that are from here that you know you grew up seeing at some random shitty dive bar or you know, Soma side stage or whatever. Like it it it makes it seem like the untangible is tangible. You're like, if they can do it, why can't I? So yeah, I think it's just exposure, really.

SPEAKER_01

And it allows musicians to do what they do, and then I would argue that it also gives room for the fans, anybody that's just a fan, to accept all this diversity as well, because they're already immersed in it daily.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's it San Diego specifically is such a melting pot. Um, I think LA to a certain extent as well, like definitely is, but San Diego is such a melting pot. Like down here, especially in the music scene, like 10 years ago, like like the alternative punk, metal core, hardcore, things like that were a lot more prevalent, I will say. As time's gone on, like pop punk and like surf rock has had a really big resurgence here in Southern California, because why wouldn't it? Right, you know, it's definitely like the scenery fits the vibe. Um, but I I think that it it's just kind of like a uh it's like generational trauma, but like not trauma.

SPEAKER_01

I love it. Sometimes we can use all that nostalgia or trauma, whatever word you want to use for it. Sometimes we can, you know, all the above, we can use it to fuel other amazing things. Yeah, in your case, I can hear that your love of new metal turned into the cover of Animal I Become. It's a fantastic cover. Are there plans for more?

SPEAKER_00

For more covers, you know, probably not. I I I don't want to say never, because so, like, here's the thing that that cover is not we didn't like wake up five like two, three years into our career as a band and go, you know what, we should put out a cover. We learned how to play that cover when we were first starting to play shows, and we didn't have enough original material to fill up a 20 minute set. So we were like, Oh, like maybe we get a cover in there. What's something that we can do? And I'm not even kidding you, every band that I've ever been in, getting four people to agree on a song to cover is a nightmare. You know, they're like, Oh, let's play Slipknot. And I'm like, I I I don't like Slipknot. And then I'm like, Oh, let's cover this band. They're like, I fucking hate that band. And it was one of these things we went back and forth. And then actually, I think it was our drummer's little brother was just like, Why don't you guys do a three days Grace cover? And we were all like, Holy shit, it just happened that way. Um, so like I would love to do more covers because that's just I love playing music that I love to play, and like it's really easy. But I think deciding on a cover and finding the time to record it isn't exactly I think priority for us right now. But like it literally, if if the other guys walked up to me and were like, hey, you guys want to cover this? Like, I'd probably be down. I'm I'm not a very picky person. But uh, yeah, no, the the new metal one that the Animal I Become cover is definitely we put that out as kind of like a full circle moment for us because, like I said, it it was just a filler for set at first, and we played it for a long time, and then eventually we had enough music to fill, and we were like, Yeah, you know what, let's not play anymore. And then we had our first like uh big headliner, and we needed an extra song, and it came back and everybody loved it, and we were just like, hey, like, why not? It's like an homage, it's like a it's not just like an homage to like the music that shaped us, but also like an homage to like where we started and where we are now. It was a very full circle kind of thing for us, and it was such a blast to put it out, and now it's back to like heavy rotation, like it still gets played every night. We we've got the tour coming up in in May through June, and it's getting played every night because who doesn't know the lyrics to that song? You know, it gets people pumped. That bass line starts and everybody just loses their shit, and like how can you not?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it makes complete and total sense. And I musically, I hear that it's definitely a compromise. It will, of course, it was a good choice, and it made sense that it was a good choice. Was it more of a challenge to decide on the song itself or actually learn it?

SPEAKER_00

It to be honest with you, it's an incredible song, but it's pretty easy to play. Um, which I personally find some of the easiest songs on the planet to play are some of the best songs on the planet. It was definitely difficult coming to a decision. Um, but like I said, it was it it was so much back and forth over what to cover, and I was like, Lincoln Park, but uh everybody's like everybody covers Lincoln Park, which like they're not wrong, and also it's it's like if you're gonna do a cover, you need to make sure you can do that cover justice. And I I find it hard press, like as great of a vocalist Will is, and as much as I can help out with vocals, like meeting up to Chesters, like not an easy task. Yeah, that's a that's a big pair of boots to fill. And like our feet are big, but they're not that big. So yeah, it was it was easy once it got suggested, and once we heard it out loud and it got just put out into the universe, we were like, oh shit, like that's it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, let's dive more into Will and his vocal ability too, since we're on the subject, because I did I did peruse Instagram, and I'm about to start calling him one take Willie, because that's what he does. He does like that's what this man does. There are countless there's a lot of reels on there of him just doing all these parts in one take. So, what was it about him that told you, yes, he's a fit for resider? This makes sense, we need to continue with this guy.

SPEAKER_00

So, to be honest with you, even if he wasn't a fit for resider, I don't think I would have had a choice in the matter. Um, Will Will is as I refer to him, he is my hetero life partner.

SPEAKER_01

Jade Sullivan, yes, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I'm glad you got that reference. Yes, yeah, he's he is like any business. I so I met Will when he was about 18. I was 21. He's just a few years younger than me. So we've known each other, you know, well over a decade. And I think like a few years into that, we just like realized like, holy shit, like this guy it like me and him work so well together, we compliment each other in so many ways, like on the front end, the back end. It was just one of those things where he when I meant Will, he was a drummer, he was not a vocalist. And then a few years down the line, he was like, I think I'm gonna give this a shot. And holy Christ, thank God he did. Um, yeah, it and and when we started and we were trying to figure out like the sound and everything, he just went into the booth for our first single we put out, Spore Breath, and he just laid down the track, and I was just like, Oh yeah, like this this is for sure it. Like, this is for sure it. And it's like vocalists all, like, and I can say this out loud because I it to some extent still am a vocalist, like there's a level of ego with all with a lot of musicians, but yeah, it's it's I mean it's front man, it's front man syndrome, as I call it, you know. And it was one of those things where like as soon as Will put down the vocals and start doing what he was doing, like my ego just shut down. And I was like, you know what, dude? Like, you fucking got this, like you're you're on top of it, like you're killing it. Like, I'm not even gonna like it wasn't even an a conversation when it came to doing vocals for besider, because like I said, we were both doing vocals at one point. He was just like, I think I'll do vocals, and then he did them, and I was like, I think you'll do vocals.

SPEAKER_01

I think I can let this one go. Yeah, do you think he realizes how efficient he really is in this is happening?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he never shuts the hell up about it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, we're gonna if we ever talk to him, we have questions. So, okay.

SPEAKER_00

He's he's honestly me and him, like I said, like we we I think what works so well for us outside of just like our work ethic really compliments each other, and like he knows where to pick up where I can't, and vice versa, is that like we both like also in a like a very aggressive but friendly way kind of push each other and be like, hey, like that was good, but like you need to do better. And and that's kind of always what's like really pushing what I've always really loved about working with Will is that like any moment that I have this thing where I'm kind of in my head, I'm like, I don't know, like maybe I can't, I don't know if I can do this. He's like, Hey, like, shut the fuck up, you got this. And I'm like, Oh, you know what? Thanks for reminding me.

SPEAKER_01

So it's it's not maybe it's not a conscious decision to be efficient, but it does happen naturally because you guys, among all of you, have created an environment where you're willing to go with the flow and see how things happen and treat each other as respectfully as possible in the process.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I think I think in the end of the day, a band is like a relationship, and you need to be able to nurture it, you need to be able to know what does and doesn't work, and it's tough, you know. It's it's finding four group, it's finding at minimum three or four guys or girls, or you know, whatever your you know collaboration is, or you know, and and it's finding these people that you can not only enjoy what they write, write stuff that works together, enjoy their company, because you know, like we have to on tour, you know, it's it's it's us and our camera guy in a small van for a month at a time. You can't do that with people that you hate. No, otherwise, some yeah, otherwise somebody's getting left at a gas station in West Texas. Um, you know, like it's it's just how it goes, you know. So I I think for us, we we saw what where we saw our strengths, we saw our weaknesses, we saw how we could support each other, and it's just it's gone better than I think we ever expected. Um, you know, like it's that old thing, you know, you tell your parents, like, I want to be a musician, and they hit you with that. Like, oh, like you and everybody else, one in a million, you know. But once you get down to it and you realize that there's just a really specific set of things that you kind of need to do and figure not even do, but figure out what works best for you, and learning how to execute that is the trick. And I think on the front end, having like such an a such amazing members, like Bentley is an absolutely insane drummer. Like, he I say it all the time, he's my favorite drummer, and he he said he just says I'm being biased, but I tell him, No, you're just that good. And like it and having Will on the amazing vocals and me and AJ doing the string section, you know, like I think that it all meshed in a really good way. And that was the easy part for us was writing the music, writing music that we enjoyed and that other people enjoyed, but then came everything on the back end because like nowadays bands can't just be bands, you also have to be like a a video editor and a graphic designer and a photographer and a videographer and a marketing expert and and all these things. And and we luckily have a group of people that on the back end are able to do that. Like it's mainly it's a lot of Will and I. We have our management, we have our label that helps out a lot now. But um, you know, like like I I uh just like the bass, when this band started, I learned how to do video editing and graphic design. And now I do all of our our gr all our shirts and some of our album artwork I did, um, and then not all of it, and then like we've been doing a lot of our stuff in-house, I think, is is has been like a big help in just figuring out what we can do to progress things forward and be as self-reliant as possible.

SPEAKER_01

Is that something the technology aspect we're talking about, the social media of it all? Like, is that something that you anticipated game taking while taking resider seriously? Like you expected to have to do this? Because that you and I I feel are pretty close in age, and we know a world before all of this. Yeah, we so it could have gone either way. So that's my question. Like, did you anticipate having to do that when you started taking resider really seriously?

SPEAKER_00

So it's not even so much that like it was an anticipation or a non-anticipation. Um, I'm really cheap. Um, like just genuinely, I'm so fucking cheap. Like, I hate like I I I hate spending money on things, like that's why like I bake my own bread and shit. Because I'm like, why the fuck would I pay somebody for bread? I'll just make it, right? You know, so like that's kind of always been my thing. And and like I said, we are in that previous project, and we were you know paying for Alomart work and paying for you know having to pay for and seeing the cost of paying for merch and all these things, and I was just like, Holy shit, like that is so much money. Like, I'm just gonna learn how to do this. So it wasn't even so much of like an anticipation or non-anticipation, it was just like I didn't want to spend the money.

SPEAKER_01

I got it. Well, but you don't have to anymore, they almost make it, they really do make it that easy. And you anybody can do so much more than you realize just with your phone.

SPEAKER_00

It's literally just sit down, sit down. If you want to do something, sit down, give it a try. If it doesn't work out, that's okay. You don't need to bang your head against the wall because you couldn't figure something out. But for all you know, you could end up figuring it out and being like, holy shit, like this is actually something I I not only can do, but I enjoy doing, you know. And and if you told me like five years ago, like, hey, you're gonna be making merch on Photoshop, like I remember when I first opened Photoshop and I went, What the hell? And now I know that program like the back of my hand, at least you know, half of the back of my hand. Um, and it's it's just kind of like the same with social media, you just kind of learn by doing. Um, it can be a very intimidating idea, sure. And I still have moments where we're like, you know, running ads or we're doing certain things where I'm just like, holy crap, like this is a lot. But then once you get into the swing of it, like just grab, you know, just keep swinging, you know.

SPEAKER_01

That's it. Going back into the music specifically a little bit too. I was curious about the breakdowns because the breakdowns are obviously important to this band. I hear it. So, what is it that you think makes a good breakdown?

SPEAKER_00

It so like I think that there's two indications. I don't know what it is that makes a good breakdown. I think like a build-up is really important, but like I I always look for the indication of the the you know, the stank face. You hear it, you just think, oh, like you just smelled like some rotten cheese, you know. And like I love a good breakdown that you can throw your shoulder into, you know. Right. And I think what really makes a good breakdown is uh the call out line beforehand, you know? Like, like think of all the think of all the bands that have put out a a a song that has just like the filthiest breakdown, and then it has just that one line. Like I think like the the best one in recent memory that I or not the best one, my personal favorite, because everything's subjective, of course. But my personal favorite is uh the plot you forgotten.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The yeah, just it it's the most basic breakdown, it's just you know, dun dun dun dun. But that call-out line before it just like it gets you fucking amped, and then it just hits, and you're just like, holy shit, like I'm gonna go break something right now. You know, it's like I need to go, like I need to go start snapping two by fours in the backyard like I'm the karate kid. I'm so jacked with that.

SPEAKER_01

That's a good sign. That's a good sign, and the the lyrics are important, the call-outs are obviously very important. I'm only skin deep, only flesh and blood. That to me, I s uh it made me wonder like, is is the shade EP really just y'all shading yourself? So in some ways.

SPEAKER_00

Kinda, you know, shade in general. It the the name that that came out was we were writing the music, and that's the thing, is like there will never be a harder thing to do in a band than naming the band. And then it's that's all the only thing that's second to that is naming songs and naming albums. Because, you know, like you want to have something that's catchy, but you don't want to be cringy, you want something that's accurate, you know, like you, you know, you could always be like dance given dance that just like throws words together and goes, that's it, that's the name of the album, you know, but like that's not us, obviously. So like shade, we were writing the the songs and we were writing the lyrics, and we realized that most of the songs were like either internally or externally, like throwing shade, you know, and and calling things out and calling people out. And and we realized that a lot of our music is about that, like you know, rat race is like calling out society on on you know just the the grinding wheel that it is, and and like you know, back to our early stuff, like like really early stuff, like uh trend killer, you know, that's like calling out people that just try to hop on trends, and that's kind of always been our thing, is is kind of holding a mirror up to society and being like, yeah, like this is fucked up, but also having that kind of self-reflection to do that to ourselves, so we're not sitting here like you know, nobody wants somebody on their high horse telling you what's wrong with yourself if they can't go like, hey, you know what? Like, I'm not perfect either.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And I think that's that's like what Sulfur specifically, um, I mean, there's a lot of interpretations, and if you ask Will, you'll probably get like the same answer every like six times. Um, but like I think, and I think that's what's so great about music is it's all subject is subjective to in uh you know to what you pick up on and what you interpret out of it. Yeah, um, but yeah, that's that song specifically, I think is very much one of the ones that is just like don't make me don't make me your martyr, don't make me, don't put me on this pedestal because like I'm not a perfect human being, and I think that is a great quality to have not only as a person but also in a song, and letting people know like you don't have to be perfect, you don't have to like check every box of every little thing. You can have flaws, it's perfectly okay, and being able to admit those, I think, is a very uh freeing kind of thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01

It should be, and it's ironic because I feel like accountability is such a buzzword right now, everybody's using it, and yet so peace, like so few people actually take it and live it.

SPEAKER_00

Not to not to to shamelessly plug another one of our songs, but you gotta practice what you preach, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Well, that's just it. Testament said it too. Like it just it's the same thing. It's it's uh that's one of my I don't know, more recent gripes with society lately is how often that happens. Something becomes a buzzword, and very few actually live it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, it I think I think that there is a weird kind of obsession society, like in a societal way that like it it it wants I think like the best way to look at it is this is like you you want to see somebody do better for themselves, but if you're not willing to do better for yourself, it's it's not gonna change anything, you know. I think hypocrisy has always been like a a real big issue. It's kind of always been one my biggest pet peas, you know. Like that person's like, Don't don't chew with your mouth open. And they sound like a cow chewing cud every time they take a bite of something, and I'm like, motherfucker, you chew with your mouth closed, you know?

SPEAKER_01

They're telling you through their teeth, don't chew out their mouth.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's projection. That's the genuine issue that I see with a lot of people, and like I'm not perfect, I know I do it sometimes, where I'm like, God, this guy's annoying, and then like I kind of sit there and I think about the things I do. I'm like, maybe I'm fucking annoying, you know. Like it's just kind of how it is. It's like game recognized game, but you don't recognize your own game, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Like, no, but you might have stumbled onto the next album title. The maybe it's me, maybe I'm the problem.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, maybe I'm the problem.

SPEAKER_01

Am I the problem? Am I the drama? Maybe. Yeah, no, you're you have an exciting summer coming up, too. Let's talk about that. The saving vice tour on the way very soon. What are in like what what what are we packing? What are the tour bag essentials?

SPEAKER_00

So the tour bag essentials, okay. You uh you got the right member for this answer. I am the tour mom slash out like literally. So, like, like I you have to have this is like my breakdown, and this is how I pack my for a tour. I've never had to pack for a tour this long, so like there's gonna be some updates, of course. But like, number one, you gotta have a good insulated water bottle. Yes, yep, yep. Hydration is the name of the game. Vitamins, like I have a like a a suitcase, like like vitamin separator for the AM and the PM because you gotta take care of yourself. You always have to have your clothes, have your clothes for like not on stage because like you don't want to have to lay down to sleep wearing your your fit for the set because it's it's disgusting, you know. Uh you you need a pair of slides because again, like you don't want to take your shoes that you just played a set in into the van. That's a great way to like in the resider camp, that's a great way to catch yeah, you get a fade. Like you catch fades for less, you know. Like so, like, you gotta have slides that you take into the van with you. And then like I I am extra. So, like, for example, like we have some of these drives that are brutal. So, like, I think the worst one, because uh you know, not just that tour, but we're doing a few routing dates out there, and the last routing date we have is in Denver, Colorado, which like I I'm very excited about because I'm a huge Avalanche hockey fan.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, I'm going straight to the Avalanche store and getting a new jersey, like Forsberg Sakic Arrow. Yeah, so Forsburg Sakic, yeah. Forsburg Sakic. I I've I I don't think I was watching hockey, I don't think I was watching watching hockey very much back then, but I've gone back and watched a lot of like the games. I think I started watching hockey when I was in high school, but it was very loose, and then like I got to like 2021, and that's when I 2020, 2021, and that's when I had some friends that were from Colorado, so I would watch hockey with them, and then I just became an avalanche fan, and now like Nathan McKinnon is like I literally have like so many Nathan McKinnon things around my house. Um like like like it's ridiculous, but yeah, like the drive from Denver, the very next day, it's a few days down the line, but it's in Manchester, New Hampshire. Oh wow, yeah, that's a that's a fucking drive.

SPEAKER_01

That's essentially across the country. That is essentially across the country, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Just it's two whole time zones, I'll tell you that much. You know, so it's it's rough. So like you have to find ways to keep yourself sane when you're when you're touring. So like I, for example, like me and Will just got PlayStation Portals. I've also been like reading the Dune books because like through and through I'm a huge nerd. Um, so it's like you have to find ways to keep yourself from going insane and looking out the window, and like we've all fallen prey to it, where you're just sitting there waiting for a show to start, and you're like, fuck, I'm bored. And it starts it starts to like physically hurt you're so bored. Also, like a first aid kit. That's that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I stand by that. Like, have a first aid kit, have all your essentials in there, have a few things that you don't like think you're gonna need, because you're never gonna know when you're like in the middle of nowhere, somebody's got like the worst heartburn of your life, and you're just like Tums or I have a headache, etc. Things like that.

SPEAKER_02

You've got it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's just literally that, and then like budgeting, because unfortunately, the the the idea of like a starving artist is like it's not a myth, it's it exists absolutely. So, like budgeting your own money and saving up for your tours, I think is the most important thing. Like, I don't think we've played a tour yet where we I think this is be the first tour where like we don't have to worry about our own dinners because we'll have enough money that we're making to actually buy dinner through the band instead of just like buying you know things out of our pockets. So, yeah, I I think that's those are like the big things, and then like good pillow, good blanket.

SPEAKER_01

That's all you need. Little things from home, too. Whatever, whatever reminds you of home. Like it but to your point though, not a lot of people understand how tough it can be financially, particularly just to put to put yourself on tour, to join a tour, to make sure the production is the way that you want it to be. I know dudes that couldn't that that were like essentially begging for gas money to get to the next stop. Yeah, like I I that's real. That's very, very real. It's it's hard.

SPEAKER_00

It's it's for sure tough. It's for sure a uh uh I think I don't think people think about it as much. I think as of late, it's become A much more like upfront thing, you know, where like people are realizing that like you going up and buying that shirt, like it helps more than you could ever know. Like you you buying a ticket for like a shitty bar show to see some band that's not from your area, like that stuff helps so much. And it's it's it's what keeps the bands going, you know, like at least like on a uh operational sense, you know. Like if we could go and play every city and every town and not have to worry about gas or food or things like that, we would do it because it's what we love to do. But like unfortunately, the reality of it is is eventually you're gonna have to worry about you know, how are you getting to the next spot? How are you eating that night? Where are you sleeping? Like you can sleep in the van for so long. Even occasionally you need a hotel room so you can take a shower that isn't like at a planet fitness or a truck stop.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the planet fit the planet fitness. Shout out Planet Fitness, honestly, because that is like I like not that I'm trying not to get sorry if I'm giving away like the industry secret, but like if you're a touring band, you and another member, however members you have, because you get the planet fitness black card, you can bring a guest in to any planet fitness across the United States. You can you don't even have to use the gym. I do because it keeps me from losing my mind. It's something to kind of disconnect for a bit, throw in the headphones, listen to an album, run on a treadmill, lift some weights, whatever you got to do. But if you just want a shower, like loves, flying J, Bucky's, all those places, they have showers, but it's$15 a shower. Whereas you can pay$20 for the month with Planet Fitness, and you have all the showers for the entire tour.

SPEAKER_01

There it is. There's your tour hacking. I think that secret might be out. The Walmart secret's definitely out. We all know about the Walmart parking lot.

SPEAKER_00

So the Walmart parking lot stock like I we've tried to sleep in Walmart parking lots, and we have security coming up and going, like, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, it it's it that used to be a thing, and it's not really a thing anymore. We so like I again like I we like this next tour we have, we have a tour manager, and it's it's cool because normally I do that stuff. But because I, as my therapist tells me, have an issue with relinquishing control, whatever that means, um, I'm still like saving like all the the like the loves and the flying J's and the pilots and stuff because pilots don't give a shit. Like if you go if you show up to pilot in like the Midwest and you park out in that parking lot, chances are there's like a hundred semis doing the same exact thing, and they don't give a shit. No, they're just like, hey, you know what? Because like chances are you're gonna go in and get a coffee. Yeah and like, yeah, so like that's that's really the thing, and that's never really been an issue for us, you know. Like, like I think the only time we ever had an issue was when we were in Tacoma, and we we we had an off day that that day, and we spent some time in Seattle, but then that night we had to sleep in Tacoma because we had a show the next day, and uh, it was the first and only time that we've been driving around trying to find a place to park. We parked at a Walmart, security was like giving us side eye. We parked at uh, you know, we tried to find a place that was like a neighborhood that seemed chill and like there really wasn't any. So we drove like 20, we tried to go to the rest stops around there, and they were all packed out. So we drove like 20 minutes east of Tacoma to some random truck stop that like specifically only took like or advertised that they only took like semis. So I went in there and I was like, hey, we're we have a van, we have a trailer, it's really tough for us to find parking. We're just trying to find someplace safe to sleep for the night. Like, they're like, it's$12 for the spot. And I was just like, I'll pay it. Like it, I'll I'll give you$20 for the spot if you just let us park here. And they let us do it, and it was super cool, you know. So it's like it's the the rest stop gas stations are the best spot because then you have access to the bathroom, you've got access to food and snacks. A lot of them always have restaurants. Um, our base our our our our drummer tries to bring Arby's into the van, though, and oh my god, it the raid.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the sometimes it's a mistake, sometimes not. I don't know. You gamble, you definitely gamble.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, no, no. Our drummer is single-handedly keeping Arby's in business on tour. There we go.

SPEAKER_01

And everybody else smells of rose beef, so we all know.

SPEAKER_00

He's always like, just try it. I'm like, I I'm good. I'm good. Like, I'm just gonna eat my I'm gonna eat my chips. Most of the pilots have Cinnabons if I need a little bit of sugar spike, you know. Like, I'll be fine.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I love the call back to Dune, too, because I'm also a Dune fan. Are you have we have we watched the movies or it's just strictly Reddit?

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so I I I started out with the well, I started out like I should say this. I started out with the the original one from like the 80s.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, the comment. I was gonna ask, who's the better Paul? Kyle McClanahan or Taylor Chalamet?

SPEAKER_00

Who's the better Paul? Chalamet is a better Paul, but like Kyle McClanahan is is just iconic.

SPEAKER_01

I know.

SPEAKER_00

He's the bet Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_01

Come on. I know it is hard, it is hard to deny him. It is, but if I think about the character of Paul, I do think Chalamet is a better fit. He's a better depiction of maybe what the book was trying to put out there.

SPEAKER_00

If we could if we could take the Chalamet Paul and then bring in the Patrick Stewart Gurney, you know, because Patrick Stewart can do no wrong. Like that man is the best. Uh so like if we could get that to happen, like I'd be like, no shade on Josh Brolin, you know, like Thanos, gotta love it.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

But like Patrick Stewart's Patrick Stewart. Like you gotta you gotta know when you're beat. So but no, the dude, the dude, I started out with that one, and then I remember watching it when I was really young because me and me and my drummer, we again we've been friends in second grade, and we've always the reason we've been friends so long is we all we have like really weird love of movies, even bad movies, like you know, like yeah, the better, the worst, the better.

SPEAKER_01

The worst the better.

SPEAKER_00

Well, the other day I was like, What are you doing? He's like, Oh, I'm watching Charleston Heston's Ten Commandments, and I was like, Okay, I'm in.

SPEAKER_01

Let me bring let me bring over some snacks. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I was like, is are we gonna watch Ben Hur next? Like, what the fuck? Um so like I started out there and then they put out the Dune movies, and I was like, Oh, I remember watching those movies when I was in like high school and not really like just getting it, you know. I thought it was cool, but you know, it was really campy and really cheesy, and like, you know, just sci-fi from back in the 80s, just kind of how it came out like that.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And I remember watching the first Dune and being like, Holy shit, like that was a good movie.

SPEAKER_02

Even better.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, then chapter two came out, and I was like, that's one of the best movies I've ever watched. Like, I absolutely love it. And and really for me, it's it's like it, it's it's the like the actors, the the sets, like and like Dennis uh Voluvial or I can never remember his last name, but the the director, he's uh just an astoundingly good director. Yeah, so like I think that if you had gone a different director, like you might have gotten a s a close movie, but not as good as it is now. And that turned into like, oh, we have this long tour coming up. What am I gonna do? How am I gonna keep myself entertained? And then my TikTok algorithm just started showing me all these things about the Dune books, and I was like, Right, I'm gonna do it. Like, I'm gonna do it. And and I'll tell you this, me and Bentley have already agreed that when when when Dune's day comes, and they're they're like, Yeah, we're gonna drop like Dune Chapter Three and Avengers Doomsday, same day. And I was like, Are you ready for a marathon in the movie theaters? Yeah, we're gonna be there for both of those, without a doubt.

SPEAKER_01

I can't wait. I'm so excited too. But my problem is that in my head, Chalamet and Zendaya are both actually my friends, they just they just don't know it. So I was I was irrationally angry about like the laptoon. I'm like, how did they do Zendaya like that?

SPEAKER_00

How did they do Zendaya like I have I have a I have a similar issue with thinking that uh Anya Taylor Joy is my wife.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay, got it.

SPEAKER_00

Because I I I adore her. She like if she's in a movie, I'm like, I'm here for it. And like not just because she's stunning, but also she's like a fantastic actor.

SPEAKER_01

She is the witch is incredible. That's one of the favorites.

SPEAKER_00

My my favorite of hers. Oh, that's a tough one. I really liked her in the the North Norseman or Northman. Because I also like like me and my wife have swore up and down. Our first child's name is gonna be Stellan because of Stellan Skarsgard.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00

The whole Skarsgard family, you know, like they're they're they're incredible for us. So, you know, like that movie pulled me in, and that's when I saw her. I was like, Oh, she's incredible. But yeah, I'm really excited she's gonna be in Dune chapter three. Like, I'm I'm ready for it. I I'm ready to see her just absolutely slay because I know she's going to.

SPEAKER_01

Period. I can't wait for that too. But before we get before we get to that, we do have a festival and show season to get through. I totally understand. We do. So but so once that is over, though, other than dune, other than catching up on all that, what's next? Another album? What what's what's on the dock in here?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. So um things have gone really busy for Besider. Um, between now and September 6th, we're pretty much absolutely slammed. So we've got this. Uh, you know, we're doing Sacramento, Redo, Vegas, Utah, Denver, and then we go over to the East Coast and we're playing a bunch of shows there. We'll probably be back like near the end of June, God willing, right before my wife's birthday. Otherwise, she's gonna throat punch me when I get old. Yeah, I'll be in trouble. Um, you know, and then we go back into the studio. We're already kind of writing, we're in the process of final tracking the next album, and it's it's gonna be an album. We're not doing another EP. We want to do a full length. We've done at this point, I think, three EPs and like a you know, a handful of singles kind of in between each one, and we're just like, you know what? Like it's time for like the full length. Yeah, so we're we're working on that right now. Um, detail-wise, there isn't a whole lot. Uh it's it's definitely still very much resider, but it's evolving a little bit, um, kind of almost like getting elements from bands like Bad Omens in there, specifically Bad Omens, kind of getting that in there, a little bit more little bit of daddy core, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Come through Noah, yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we're we're we're still very much like in a trying to keep that chorus down there, but we want to grow upon it. We want to kind of fill it out more and and make it bigger, you know, and that's I think always the goal. Um, we're gonna be final tracking a few songs uh up in Seattle later this month, actually beginning of next month, and then we do the tour, and then we final track the rest of the guitar and bass, and then we're getting out on the road again with, I believe, Cold State and another band. Um, I don't know if that's announced yet, so now it is.

SPEAKER_01

But um it'll be on social media eventually anyway. It'll it'll get put up there, yes. The secret's gonna come out anyway.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so we're doing that, and then we end that tour with Titanfest up in Sacramento because Sacramento has is even though we're not from there, it is welcome to us with open arms.

SPEAKER_01

It is honestly there's a core crowd there, they're ready.

SPEAKER_00

It's insane. It's insane. No, I can't I cannot give enough thanks to Sacramento as a city because they've really embraced us and really made it feel like a second home for a lot of us. And then from there, we're just gonna finish up everything on the album and God willing, we'll get one more tour in, you know, before the end of the year. Um, I think we're really trying to do the Pacific Northwest or the Southwest a little bit, you know, do a little bit of Arizona, New Mexico, um, and then just kind of go from there, you know. We're just staying busy. Um, and and I think, you know, not to not to sound too cliche, but like keep an eye out for big announcements type of thing, you know. Like keep an eye out, like if if if anybody that's listening to this uh that can bear to listen to me ramble on for an hour, likes the music enough to listen to it for 30 minutes, like keep an eye on our social medias because we're posting, we're we're moving, we're grinding, and you know, we're really trying to bring bring ourselves out to a lot more places and meet a lot more people and put out music that hopefully people enjoy. Um it's the goal, you know, and it's it's the dream and it's it's what we're all really pulling towards. So we're hoping that people are receptive and we can keep doing it because yeah, if I had if I had to just work my nine to five job, I'd probably need to be medicated.

SPEAKER_01

Well, more medicated than I already am, but yeah that's that's another podcast episode in itself. That that dichotomy alone is a podcast episode. That all the societal commentary there, my god, we've done that numerous times on this podcast, just talking about how to balance that and navigate office politics and things like that. We've had tons of conversations about that. It's not easy. Uh Kudos, shout out to you guys for playing to your strengths right now. I mean, what it sounds like what makes now the optimal time to put out the full album is the busyness, is the buzz. Yeah, and also sounds like you've got the material for it too in your back pockets. It's it that's all of that has to mean this is the optimal time to go forward with the first full-length album.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I think I think we've worked so long in it and we've done so many things. We've really, you know, figured out what we want our sound to be and what we want our sound to evolve into, and not just music-wise, but image-wise, how we want to do music videos, how we want to do content, what kind of graphics we want, what kind of merch we want to sell, how we want to be live. Um, I think it's all been a learning process, weirdly enough. And and we finally gotten to this point where I think we're so comfortable with where we're at, what we're doing, and what we've been doing, and what we want to do that it it's it's time to take that step. You know, we could sure we could put out a couple more singles and then put on another EP and keep that repeating itself again and again, but eventually, like it's gonna get tired. So we're we're just at this point where we're ready to to you know do what the big boys do.

SPEAKER_01

And there we go. Nut up or shut up. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. This is in my opinion, like, and this is what I've told our vocalists. I'm like, this is like if ever there was a release that is like this is the release that needs to just blow up, pop off, this needs to be what pushes us forward, it's this one. So we're putting everything that we possibly can into it so that we can we can you know hopefully keep this train to go and and get a bigger train because right now five people in a 12-passenger van is it's that's a lot it's fucking rough.

SPEAKER_01

That's a lot of the sights, the sounds, the smells.

SPEAKER_00

The smells, especially. It's yeah, the smells is and it's it the clutter, you know, like yeah, yep, yep. Yeah, it's just shit everywhere, you know. You you go to take your driving shift, and you're just like, why is there fucking cheese? It's everywhere.

SPEAKER_01

Right under the gas pedal. Why under the brake pedal? Why?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're like, I just rubbed like five Star Patch kids into the rug. How the fuck are we getting that out?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, also relatable. This has been so much fun, though. I and I can't wait to see what's next. I wish you luck with all of it. Thank you so much for your time, Nico.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_01

Resider is about a month away from tour. The new AP shade is out. There's a lot going on, so keep up with all of it on their socials. I'll leave those links at valclinehands.com and of course in the show notes of this episode. We'll see ya. Thanks for tuning in. Bye.