Gouged Break Down the Secret to Breakdowns

There's a few secrets to a successful breakdown in deathcore, and if anyone has figured them out, it just might be Gouged. 

Take a listen to their journey, find out why breakdowns are hitting right now, and learn how The Bee Movie influenced their newest single "Unholy Perversion of Nature" which is out now.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

What do you think core is just resonating with everywhere right now? Do you think that having this is more about sound, emotion, or attitude? Oh, welcome to another video with me about five hands. We have a full house in the pod today. Aaron, Jacob, Devin from Gaus are all in the building. I'm thrilled to have you, gentlemen. Welcome.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Thank you for having us on. Hello.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

What where is everybody? Are we still are we at different spots or are we at home?

SPEAKER_02 0:43

At home in different spots.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

At home in different spots. Okay. So do all of you live in the Pacific Northwest or or are we scattered?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

I mean, yeah, for the most part, uh we're like mostly uh Thurston County in Washington.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

I always love asking musicians this question whenever I get the chance. What do you love about music? You can all give me your own version of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

I don't know. I feel like it changes all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Uh I would I would honestly say on my end, it's just the the release music gives. Uh also there's no better feeling than being hundreds of miles away from home and watching people beat each other up to your music. It's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

I can imagine.

SPEAKER_05 1:28

Yeah, honestly, I I I enjoy being on stage and watching people get wrecked and do wash pits and uh as of lately, having people actually know our words and start shouting shit back at us.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

There we go. How long has that been going on for?

SPEAKER_05 1:48

When did we start? It's been 300 years.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

300 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

What we're almost four years in? Four years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Okay, well, that makes a that makes a good point. Like we were just having this conversation a little bit before we hit record. There's a lot that a band has to do to sustain itself today. And there's a lot that they have to do on their own. So sometimes it can take a minute, it can take what you're like, what you're talking about, four years before you do start to see those crowds singing back. There's a genuine exchange of energy here. Tell me a little bit about the lore behind Gouge, everything that's come with it in the journey so far.

SPEAKER_03 2:33

Um, yeah, so I used to be in a band and we would play shows with Devin and Jacob's old band, and I don't know what happened with their band, but my old band kind of dissolved a little bit, and we were trying to figure things out. We had a song, and we didn't have a vocalist, so I sent Devin a message, and thankfully he uh he was down to throw some vocals over it. We already had it like instrumentally set in the studio, and next thing you know, we're recording the music video for our first song Villain. And that feels like yesterday, but now we're here. Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Four years or so-ish later. Here we are. So I know that you're big believers in the power of music, the res and just respect the opportunity that it provides to express whatever you want to express and maybe even heal in the process. So tell me about the moment that you realize music was as healing as it is.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Honestly, just personally dealing with like depression and whatnot, and uh having a hard time figuring out how to have a healthy outlet for those emotions. Uh, going up in the realizing that people also just like that style of music, and uh it's it's playing metal in general. I feel like it's easy to let the negative emotions out in a positive outlet.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Makes sense. So going back, I was taking a look at the as above solo video featuring one of my favorites, Austin Dickey. I have to hear about how that came together. Please tell me what that was like.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

We just really wanted to have uh a solid vocalist feature on the EP, and Aaron kind of knows Austin a little bit better than the rest of us, uh Aaron and our drummer Dylan, who's not here. Uh both of those two kind of know him a little better, and I really wanted him to feature on the EP. Uh as a vocalist, I respect his ability as a vocalist. He's incredible. And uh the iron sharpens iron. I wanted a vocalist like that on there that's still local and uh was willing to just kind of come down on a weekend and really put down some effort into uh putting some tracks down. And uh he uh he's the nicest guy that like pick the song apart with me. Uh and uh on like once again, it's the iron sharpens iron. I wanted to be on a track with a vocalist that's super good, so it would help me want to be a little bit better.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah. So there's there's tips being exchanged here in the process.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

What was the most helpful thing that he provided, or what help most helpful little nugget for you?

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Honestly, the the the approach he takes to recording was the biggest thing that I took. Was like his the thinking outside the box instead of it just being vocal tracks, but like soundscaping with with specific vocal tones and whatnot. Uh, that was something that I was like, oh okay, so you can use vocals as more than just like vocal lines, but you can with layers create just crazier sounds that in my head I I try to keep it a little bit more limited on layers where like I prefer to, if we're gonna layer up vocals, like Aaron does backup vocals and so does Jacob. So in studio, it's like them doing it. But working with Austin, it was cool to see how a vocalist who records all of his own tracks, like and there's no backup vocals in the stuff he does, like hearing how he soundscapes things was uh really cool and opened my eyes to different avenues and ideas.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Yeah, that's gotta be why he's so good at like the borderline animal noises because he's he's thinking about tone, he's thinking about how things come off. Do you have anybody else on the like dream list of vocalists you would want to team up with?

SPEAKER_02 6:51

I mean, I I think the cliche Phil Bozeman, uh, I would love to, it'll never happen. I shouldn't say never, but it's not likely. I I love Whitechapel, especially early on. Uh, Will Ramos, obviously incredibly talented. Those are like the two main ones I would say.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Great choices, fabulous choices. I would definitely put those into the category as well. Tell me about joining Overshadow 2, because that that's relatively recent.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

Yeah, I don't know. It all just seemed to kind of play out perfectly. We were doing a tour with a moment's notice, and everything was just going super well. And the whole tour they're hyping up Sacramento, they're like, because that's where they're from, they're like, this is gonna be the best show, right? And I was like, Yeah, all right, and we'll see. It's like a week from now. I can't think that far ahead. And um it was crazy, and we met Joe there, and I don't know, the whole night just kind of fell into place perfectly. I think for me, that was probably the biggest show I've ever played, like people-wise. It was packed, it was hot, it's kind of scary, but good time.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

There was a fight during our set. Yeah, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

All right, milestone reached, achievement unlocked.

SPEAKER_05 8:12

Right. We had a full-on fight during our breakdown, and I'm just sitting there going, Did do we do anything? What do we do? Oh, oh, oh, our security other oh, the security guards got them. Okay, cool. Keep going.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

Like, was that us? Was that us?

SPEAKER_05 8:29

That's how they're breakdown moved them so much.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

So, was that this hell your home when that happened?

SPEAKER_05 8:37

That was heavyweight. That was heavyweight, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Okay, well, I definitely want to that to me, I want to talk about that specific breakdown in a moment, but you're hitting on something that I'm starting to learn. This the Sacramento crowd, the Sacramento Vans, they love to hide their city. They are definitely stand for their city. I didn't realize how many connections it had to core as a whole, to a point where I'm like, maybe I should have realized that it was known for this, and now I'm like starting to get educated. You guys are proud to represent your area too. You come from the Pacific Northwest, the grunge hit history is like speaks for itself, but in your area, does it look the same, or is it maybe more poor than grunge now?

SPEAKER_05 9:22

It is definitely more core, I think. Because I mean, it you with all the different scenes in like between Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle, you have you know, uh a scene of deathcore bands, a scene of medalcore bands, a scene of hardcore bands, um, yeah, post-hardcore bands. I think I think the core scene has definitely outweighed the any grunge scene out here. I mean, there are still some bands that are hanging on, but um right now it's more of the prevalent hardcore and like death core scenes.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Got it. Why do you think core is just resonating everywhere right now?

SPEAKER_05 10:10

Breakdowns.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Period. There we go. It's it is, it captures something. The music itself obviously captures it something. We do love a breakdown, and I think it's an expression of probably all the shit we're going through right now and trying to process right now. I that would be my guess. But do you think that heaviness today is more about sound, emotion, or attitude?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

All of the above. It's it's a little bit of everything. I I don't think you can have one without the other, really. Like sound is important, obviously, but attitude and just the energy that metal brings along, especially like core in general, like the the outlet that it gives everyone. You can uh you can go to a show and have the worst day and end up having the best night.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

What m well let me ask this? What makes a good breakdown? Call-outs are obviously part of it. What else makes a good breakdown?

SPEAKER_05 11:15

Grooves, heavy, heavy grooves, layers and textures, yeah, the ambiance stuff, but also context, yeah, yeah, some nice gutter rules.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Essential, gotta have the animal noises. So you're you're in the middle of blowing this thing up, really. We're hard at work creating new stuff. What are you learning right now that has maybe nothing to do with music at all, but is helping you, helping the band in some way?

SPEAKER_03 11:53

I think the most important thing, like overall, is just like the connections you make along the way. Uh, the first tour we went on, uh, luckily we were able to go on with uh diseased and depraved. And I think we've at least I've known those guys for what seems like fucking ever now. And it was nice to like get our feet wet with some people we knew, but there was also people on that tour that we didn't know, and now like we're just sending each other stupid ass memes all the time. Talk to them like every day. I think just like the people you meet and the connections all along the way, like some of those people have become some of my best friends. Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Memes are kind of a nice little way just to say very quickly, hey, I'm thinking about you. You're you're I knew this resonates with you, and I'm thinking about you. I know it works for you right now. What was what was the last meme that you guys sang?

SPEAKER_05 12:58

I think me and uh Greg from a moment's notice and just wild. I think the last one he sent me was somebody falling down the stairs, and the noise that they made rolling down the stairs turned into a breakdown.

SPEAKER_04 13:11

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

I know Tommy sends me a lot of stuff from a moments. This is like all guitar memes.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

I like the one where it's just Stanley from the office just giving major side eye when you're when you're just over it. I like that one or that gif or the Robert De Niro one though.

SPEAKER_05 13:32

Like, okay, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

This is what's happening now. All right, that's that's a good like co-worker one when you're both just in the thick of it.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

Co-worker memes, they really are.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

It's like they're a category under themselves. So let's talk about uh helping on a gig with bleeding through. Hello, are we stoked?

SPEAKER_03 13:55

Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

How did that come to be?

SPEAKER_05 13:59

So I I'm up every morning at four o'clock to go to work because I drive four clips for a company. Um, and most of the time I'll see I'll be on my brakes scrolling through like IG and shit, and I just come past uh a post from I declare war and bleeding through saying that they were playing Elko, and I was like, oh shit. And I think I sent it to everybody in the group chat, and I was like, hey, uh, do y'all wanna see if we can get on this? Um, and then I sent an email out to the owner from Elcor Zone, because I've been I mean, all of us have been pretty much playing there for the past 15 years. So we kind of have a rapport with them. And they were like, oh yeah, we'll we'll submit you if if need if we can, but I think it's up to the bands and their management team to be able to decide if they like who they want for their openers. Um Aaron had put a comment on I think I declare war's post um that was like it'd be cool if you guys had gouged on here and I declare war liked it, extortionist liked it, and I was like, uh okay. And then I think it was like two days later we got the email and was like, good news, you guys are on the show.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

I was like, all right, cool. So okay, you get that email and you you start to develop this like one of the most iconic moments you're probably gonna remember forever doing this. Like, let's be real. How do you stay emotionally regulated when that happens, or what are you gonna do to like keep it cool on stage?

SPEAKER_03 15:49

That's the biggest question.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:53

I think it's just going out there and uh acting like we've been there before.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

I usually take my shoes off. Usually, usually he does it too.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Listen, if he does it, there might be something to it.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

I I watched this man walk barefoot in a bathroom in Las Vegas while Sir.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

Oh my yeah, that was a risk. Yeah, I can't remember last one I played with out my dogs out. It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

I think if you have shoes on, we're just kind of looking at you, be like, all right, he's not locked in.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

Something, yeah, something's wrong. Yeah, I'll walk in, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

What pre-show? What is the lock in ritual?

SPEAKER_03 16:42

Oh, I put my airpods on and I just listen to Sabrina Carpenter.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Period. Let's go, please, please, please. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:51

I'll drink like I'll do like a couple tequila shots, a couple beers, and then listen to Britney Spears or Sabrina Carpenter or Kesha, and we'll just I because I do not like playing this or listening to metal on days we play shows because we're gonna be listening to it the entire night, blasting in our ears. I do not want that. So I'll listen to like literally anything else. I'll put on InSync, Baxtery Boys, I'll do all the all the hits. I cannot listen to metal.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Oh man. Well, now I want to go. This sound this just sounds like a good time. This just sounds like a good time. Throwing some Nelly and John Rule in Ashanti. Like, let's do it. Yeah, that era. Old school J-Lo, not not recently, but old school. We'll do we'll we'll we'll do that. Like first three albums. So I love that. Let's talk about this hell of your home, too. First off, hell of the title, pun intended. I am imagining that somehow this had to be inspired by horror.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

The horror thriller side of things. Like, I I'm I'm a sucker for and it's more so recently, but like Jordan Peel movies and like uh Zach Kregger, uh, I think it's super cool that like comedians can go into like the horror thriller uh avenue and genre and just kind of like throw their stuff out, but like oldies, classic Texas Chainsaw Massacre, stuff like that, just a little bit more slasher than horror.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

So is this single is this clueing us into what the future musically might look like for gouge, what we might see on an EP.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

This EP.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

This EP, okay.

SPEAKER_05 18:38

Constantly changing, constantly uh evolving.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Yeah, exactly. That's the we we try to push ourselves musically every time.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Yeah, but at the same time, I think that this hell is the most gouged song that there is. Like I think structurally and thematically, like we really like hit what gouged is in this I guess cycle or moment in time. And yeah, we've been working on this song for what seems like forever too, and it's nice to I think we started working on it like two years ago initially, and I don't know, it just feels like almost like a full circle moment, like and it's cool that we can kind of move past it now. Like we found what gouged is, but we're also not trying to do that again, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah, I see, but feeling that sense of completion, I'm guessing there's some part of it that's gotta be like personal to you.

SPEAKER_05 19:38

Yeah, no, I think we had that riff. Um, I think it was like the verse riff or the the the riff coming out of the verse for like before we put out Heathen. I think there was like several different titles for that one riff, and we were just like, all right, what are we gonna put it to? Okay, well, let's do it this way. Okay, no, I don't like that, but it's it this way.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

Yeah, there's gonna be like four or five different logic projects on the MacBook with that riff and different breakdowns around it.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

It really is about the breakdowns. So after the EP, what might the future look like for Gouched?

SPEAKER_03 20:28

We're about to announce one tour in a couple months and then hopefully another one.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Tell me about what it takes to you know just be to continue working on your craft, to develop all this and do most of it on your own. The most surprising thing that maybe you've learned throughout this entire process so far.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Jacob's a great guitar player. Stop it.

SPEAKER_05 20:51

True. Uh I mean, I guess for me it's a it's a thing of self-doubt because I'm like every single time I write a riff, I'm like, man, I really I'm shit at guitar. And then I'll write something and everybody will be like, oh no, that's really good. And I was like, okay, maybe I'm not shit at guitar. Let's keep going. And then I'll just it it's that wanting to evolve and get and just m not master, but just keep getting better and better, and wanting to to have that playability and not feel like, oh hey, I could be a good guitarist, but I'm not, you know, and I have these guys hyping me up all the time.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

That's what you need. And it sounds like it's it's about being flexible, not just when it comes to the music, but maybe when it even comes to relationship building too. I mean, you alluded to that a little bit ago. That takes that's a skill that is kind of like underrated and takes time.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

to build what was that what was that like for you get just getting comfortable with that part of it I think we've all been in the music scene for a decent amount of time so we've all kind of had the chance to intermingle and like get to know people and like I would say the the base layer of like building relationships in that aspect but I think like once you start to try to take things a little bit more serious adding business side into like music which is not something that a lot of us think about going into music. Most of us just want to play the music to play music uh and then the people that you meet along the way that are willing to like show you and not gatekeep and like kind of like hey we want to we we like to see everyone grow music is inherently a competition in its own way but you can have friendly competition and like it's like the the whole like rival thing like you could still like each other and and want to be better than the other person.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

It just makes you want to like just hone your craft more and more and when if gouge keeps growing exactly the way that you hope and keeps going on what do you want people to say that the band stood for not just sounded like how about this what does gouge stand for now maybe that's a better question.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Four dudes just really wanting to play some heavy music and play breakdown it stands for breakdowns. I I think it a lot of it is like just music everyone has gone through something in their life right everyone has gone through a type of hardship or just something that has impacted them in a negative way not everyone but most people have gone through something like that. And I think the biggest thing is if if we could do what we're doing right now and if we can continue to progress and hopefully make up more of a name for ourselves it's to me it's anyone can do this and it can be an outlet for anyone uh all you gotta do is take some time and really try to like focus on on learning it and it can really uh it can help you in so many ways like music has helped me stay grounded and uh not just fall into the the pit of darkness life can be sometimes and I think that uh if you can find that little glimmer of light that little silver lining and hold on to it and like try to focus on it I think music in general and like us as gouged is uh you don't have to just get enveloped in darkness. You can you can have a good time and like life isn't always no pun intended doom and gloom it it can be like worth it if you find the right avenue. Yeah it sounds to me like you're doing gouge now really to pay back what music gave you in the very beginning so to speak I yeah I I'd say that's pretty pretty solid uh like music's given me everything uh for a long time like it's helped me through life I can't live without music I'm one of the like cliche I have to have headphones in when I'm working like without music I don't know where I would be uh it like it's in the bloodstream Jacobin Aaron you'd agree yeah I I mean I've been playing shows for the past fifteen years and I remember playing in little tiny shitholes you know to five people but those five people made the show worth everything and now we're playing to to these bigger crowds and it's it's that it's those those moments where you're just like damn like I I've been doing this for so long and it's it's it's it's paying off it's kind of like all right now I now I want to keep doing this for for everybody who you know said you're gonna make it someday.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Yeah when you I mean you're in the process of growing the fan base I mean it it's getting bigger and bigger what have you what what have you learned about doing that what it takes to do that lessons along the way um I would say gouged isn't like the most DIY like we're not like I mean we try to be but I would say that's the biggest thing I've learned is sometimes you just gotta go and do shit yourself. Like uh we needed um artwork for this is this hell we didn't have any so I just downloaded Photoshop and tried to figure it out and we're all like happy with what came out so just that ability to just like be flexible and know that like nothing's ever gonna be perfect but being able to like go and learn I think learning is like the biggest thing you could do but just having that flexibility to like figure things out and just like do it yourself when you absolutely need to create that like resilience.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Does growing the fan base look different than it did 15 years ago because I'm imagining more of it is done online now and maybe not as much then I think yeah with like with the uh evolving of technology most people are gonna get their first taste of your music on a a streaming platform uh a random playlist uh a meme that shows up on their timeline that's just uh a gif of a breakdown uh and that kind of just increases the the uh space that like you you just kind of cast the net out and hope that something hits and you you get a couple of people to come and view your stuff and I think like with social media being more popular than ever uh it's unfortunately slash fortunately the best way to be able to reach target audiences.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Yeah I think a lot of musicians right that's I think a lot of musicians I come across they feel the same way about it. It's not what they got into this for certainly they didn't sign up to be a content creator in addition to a bassist, guitarist vocalist whatever it is they you know they definitely didn't sign up for that part of it but now that's almost part of it so they kind of accept it did you come to acceptance just by seeing positive results how did you come to accept that this was part of it I think we're still learning that right now realizing that like there's we gotta like build in moments to like make content like even when we have like practice we're like all right well let's make that a part of the practice is like taking some time out of that to work on some content to have yeah plan it ahead edit it all that good stuff it takes time it it is arguably a full-time job in itself it really is like just doing that part of it alone so you alluded to a lot of new things on the way a lot of exciting things are coming up the EP couple tours give me the general breakdown of everything we need to be paying attention to coming down the pike here I mean we are able to talk about the the new EP yeah that was I think that was we were given the green light on that um new EP new tours um new song coming out soon yeah yeah soon still trying to get the final date on it right I think so yeah I I'll say this it's the hardest song we have that to play very heaviest possibly probably yeah yeah it's it's definitely got influences of like all our different styles it's it's got the breakdowns which Aaron has kind of always been the the key member on writing great breakdowns uh Devin goes gnarly on vocals and then I've finally been able to along with like this hell uh put in my death metal background and kind of go hard with like doing just the the old death metal shit. Got it so did all of you start your learning in the instrument music like specifically did all of you start with your respective instruments or did you start off playing something else when you were first learning originally I wanted to play drums but I'm not talented so I went to vocals yeah yeah it's just been bass for me from the start but I've been picking up guitar a little bit here and there trying to show Jacob what I'm thinking but it's easier said than done.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 31:58

Yeah I I I've always played guitar I I want to learn bass and I like I have a bass here I I have an electronic drum kit downstairs and I don't know how to do either of them but it's it's fun to to believe I can just experiment that's what we need on the new EP a little bit of experimentation.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

You do not want to hear me on drums well do we have uh can we talk title or date for the EP yet or is it too soon?

SPEAKER_02 32:31

I mean what the the next single is technically titled after the EP uh okay so that's a clue yeah uh I think we could say it right I just say somebody get Joe on the horn Joe is it allowed uh the the EP and the next single are called unholy perversion of nature which is uh from our our very incredibly smart drummer Dylan that was uh all his idea uh he brought it brought it to us as a it is from the B movie the B movie it's uh specifically like I'm pretty sure it's the John Goodman as the lawyer and like they're in the court scene and he says this is an unholy perversion of um Mother Nature or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

But yeah just cutting it down a little bit I love that do you are is that a lot of the central themes in Gouge's music just challenging those dark ideals discussing those dark ideals diving into them processing them I would say so at least lyrically like on on my end cool tours on the way we're excited for those what are some of the tour essentials that you're gonna be packing with you what's on the bus are we taking games DVDs things like that's a given covering the kendama oh there we go uh I've learned from Aaron bring a squish mallow great pillows covering a squish mallow you gotta have the stimulation slug at the merch table yep uh a good blanket yeah you never know when you're gonna have to sleep on a mountain pass overnight oh wow you never know 24 pack of monster the 24 pack of monster yep absolute necessity and and a solid merch guy that is willing to just uh deal with your shenanigans the entire time dude what kind of shenanigans are we putting this man through evil shenanigans the best six seven six seven six seven six seven so uh to stay up to date social media website all that good stuff there's definitely more on the way yep good it's all about that gouch interview everything's there all right gentlemen thank you so much for your time thank you for chatting with me we can't wait to see it all absolutely thank you for having us on thank you it is alluded to in this interview and since we've chatted the actual single unholy perversion of nature is out now so please go enjoy that on Spotify or wherever you listen to music and stay tuned on all the socials for galls I'll give you the links to all that good stuff for all the upcoming tour announcements the EP announcements there is absolutely more to come with this band so stay tuned. I will give you all of that information of course you can check this at valpinehants.com as well where we recap all the episodes that we put up on Vigorously whenever we get guests. I hope that this week is going well for you so far. Hopefully it was a shorter week for you given the holiday and now it's time to enjoy some summer. Let's do this. We've got another episode coming today I did tell you that I was gonna hit you with a double hitter and my solo chat with you talking about a really interesting moment Butcher babies had last week that I want to dive into that I think is the one topic that like we're missing. I I think this needed talked about more so we're gonna do that in this week's total episode. Go to that next after listening to this one. Thank you so much for listening. Bye