Lucy Van Eesteren - Just Go Ride Your Bike

Freeride looks effortless in a video edit, but the real story is everything behind the scenes.

This week, I sit down with British Columbia freerider Lucy Van Eesteren to talk about the people, experiences, and mindset that shaped her riding. From growing up in the Sea to Sky riding scene to finding her place in freeride through mentors like Casey Brown, Lucy shares why creativity, community, and having fun on a bike matter more to her than chasing results.

We dive into DarkFest, Formation, trail building, filming video projects, bike setup, social media, and the lessons that come from pushing your comfort zone. Lucy also shares her approach to fear, progression, and knowing when to trust your instincts.

This conversation is a reminder that, at the end of the day, the best riders are often the ones who never forget why they started.

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Transcript

Meet Lucy Van Eesteren

Jarrad 0:01

Today's guest is part of the new generation, pushing Freeride Mountain biking in a completely different era. Lucy Van Eesteren is a rider out of British Columbia whose style, creativity, and progression have quickly made her one of the standout names in Freeride today. From massive jumps to dark fest sessions to video projects, formation, and the evolving culture of women's freeride, Lucy represents where mountain biking is heading next. In this episode, we talk about growing up in BC, mentorship from riders like Casey Brown, social media pressure, bike setup, and what it actually takes to build a career in modern free ride. This one is all about style, creativity, progression, and the culture behind mountain biking. Welcome to the Dynamic Life Cycles Podcast, Lucy. I hope everyone enjoys their listen.

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Jarrad 1:17

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Digging Secret Lines For A Film

Lucy 1:56

Yeah.

Jarrad 1:56

Anyway, we're rolling already. So how are you?

Lucy 2:00

Yeah, I'm great. How are you doing?

Jarrad 2:02

I'm good. Did you uh did your ride today? We've got the two bikes out there already.

Lucy 2:06

Yeah, I actually just dug all day. I took my e-bike up to um a spa we just started working on and yeah, duh woke up like seven in the morning, got there eight, and then just all day till five or four.

Jarrad 2:21

Okay, nice. Can you tell me where you're digging or is it a bit of a secret? See the sky. Let's just say see the sky.

Lucy 2:27

Yeah, see the sky zone. Um yeah, just something new, something exciting. So Okay.

Jarrad 2:32

Is it gonna be more for like a film shoot stuff or is it just a bit of fun? Yeah, it's gonna be for a film shoot. Nice for, yeah. That's sick. So what else have you been up to? Because I feel like um in the past couple of years, everything's kind of exploded for you. Craziness. So like I don't even know where to start with what you're doing because it's not like you're like crazy racer, crazy free rider, like you do everything. Like where where did that influence come from? Like, where did you start with all of this?

Lucy 3:05

I I think the starting point for me was just loving it. Like I love riding and I feel like it's such a form of expression, but I'm not super competitive. Like, I don't know if I have that same competitive drive that it takes to be a racer. I admire it so much and I think it's so sick, but it it's just not something I I feel like I gotta have just like a super big love and enjoyment of it.

Jarrad 3:31

Yeah.

Lucy 3:31

And I I feel like that kind of comes out for me as like making stuff like video projects or builds or going to events where it has a really open jam format. That's where I feel like I'm like can really just enjoy riding and being in the community and stuff. So yeah.

Jarrad 3:48

Yeah, just enjoying riding, as you say, it's like there's no no pressure to do anything apart from you wanting to do it.

Lucy 3:55

Yeah.

Jarrad 3:56

So like did you start riding at quite a young age, or were you Yeah?

Lucy 4:00

I started riding uh when I was two on a bike. But and my I raced some BMX when I was little, and then uh I liked it. I always thought biking was cool. It was always one of the many things I was interested in, but I didn't love it until I was in my like later teens, I think.

Jarrad 4:20

Okay, interesting. Did you like when you say you started racing and riding when you were so young, like, and I have to ask this because of like your dad's influence and things like that, but like was he obviously a big part of that? And then was your mom involved in that side of things?

Lucy 4:34

Yeah, my mom and dad both rode all the time when I was young, and I have an older brother who was super into it as well. And and then my mom tore her AC, so her niece, so she doesn't ride too much anymore. But my dad rides like every day, like and when I was younger, it was a way to connect with them and do something

Growing Up Riding In British Columbia

Lucy 4:55

with them outside, which was sweet, but I don't know, I hated the uphill. I was like, this, I don't know about this, and then I I then when I just started realizing how sick it is to be outside and how much how like much fun it is to go down, I was like, Oh, I'm into this.

Jarrad 5:12

Yeah. Did you do much like skiing or winter sports? Like growing up in obviously Squamish, you're so close to all the mountains. Yeah, was that like also an influence in in what you were doing on the bike?

Lucy 5:25

Um, yeah, I skied as well. I don't know if it influenced too much what I was doing on my bike, but I definitely enjoyed just anything outside. So I think I the love for like going fast and being in the trees and being outside was definitely there. But yeah, I just fell in love with biking, really. Yeah, yeah.

Jarrad 5:45

And then you're in that same age bracket as a lot of lot of I guess that's gonna sound really weird if I say a lot of people your age, but there's a lot of people in the C Disguy similar age bracket as yourself. Like people like Jackson, Emmy, like all of there's quite a few girls to be honest, in that world. Yeah. When did you start to link up with them?

Lucy 6:06

Um I've I've known I used to race, like uh the BC Cup series, and I guess that's when that's where I met Emmy and I've known Jackson since I was pretty little, yeah. Um and just through school and and all that stuff because we were both um Elder Squamish and yeah, I just met all those homies through that. But yeah, Emmy is like one of my closest friends. She's such a joy to be around, and I think it's super sweet because we have a connection like very separate from riding. We don't really ride too often together, so yeah, it's really cool to make friends through like the scene for sure.

Jarrad 6:42

Yeah, definitely. Like it's interesting you say you don't ride much with Emmy, but her personality is obviously so bubbly and like it's insane. But yeah, it's kind of funny that like you're both on this professional, like whatever you want to call it, bicycle path, cyclist path, but then you're in so different worlds of of what she's doing to what you're doing.

Lucy 7:02

Yeah, it's it's definitely it's it's funny because I'll do some pedals with her and she's come to some jump sessions and we switch it up, but we're definitely doing different sort of training and different sort of stuff like that. So we meet up and do fun stuff, like we met up the other day and we we go to concerts or we paint pottery or we do like random other stuff because we're both big believers in like the balance of it all, like writing is so cool, but if it everything becomes sicker when you start to like do everything.

Balance Outside Riding Builds Better Ideas

Jarrad 7:35

Tell me a little bit about that, like that balance for you, because I feel like it's so easy to get trapped into like one style and one thing, but with what you're doing, the whole point of your style of riding is to have that style and that personality, and it's not racing the clock, it's there is like the ability, I guess, to be able to like do whatever you want with the bike. Yeah, like how tell me a bit about the balance side of that though.

Lucy 8:05

Yeah, I would say I think a lot of the ideas I have and the the kind of what I want to do next and what I want to try, a lot of that comes from when I'm not riding. And I've I think just like enjoying parts of life that are like more of the yin, like the calmer and the and the good ways to connect with your soul and connect with other people, like help you just feel more well-rounded and not like you're putting so much onto one thing. And I think stuff like that does make you a better rider when you're able to disconnect as well from it. So I try and I try and keep a good balance of of other things I enjoy doing, and it also makes like time off easier, like whether it's decided or it's forced like because of injury or just weather. Um, time off is a lot easier when you have stuff you enjoy outside of riding.

Jarrad 8:58

Yeah, yeah, it's definitely stops that like identity crisis when you're hurt, or as you say, like if the weather in the middle of winter and it's like bucketing with snow and you can't do anything. Like yeah, do you ski? Do you do ski? I I definitely ski, not as much as I probably could or should um living in North End, but um That's been some bad seasons, yeah. The past couple definitely have, and it's like growing up in Australia, you literally I would take November off the bike, 100% off the bike. Yeah, um, I did a lot of racing and things growing up, and it's always like when November hit, it was 100% off the bike, don't touch the bike, just go and do whatever. Yeah, because if I didn't do that in November, I would be a hundred percent on the bike full season all year. Yeah, like not even just season, but like all year, like 12 months of the year you could ride your bike. It's kind of, I guess, very similar to growing up in say like uh like LA type weather, California. And it's like it's really cool to be able to do that, yeah. But very easily you can get bored with just riding your bike.

Lucy 10:07

Totally. You it's hard to find the balance. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it's uh such easy access, you can just grab it. I can't imagine what it that's the sweet part about growing up in Squamous, is you do get kind of a bit more of the force time off, which I think is so good for everyone. Everyone should take a little bit of time off because yeah, but it must have been crazy being able to ride 12 months a year.

Jarrad 10:28

Well, yeah, and it's like it's funny because if it rained, you would get like one rainy day, maybe two rainy days, and then it'd be back to being sunny again. So you'd be like, Oh, I don't need to ride today because tomorrow's gonna be sweet. Yeah, and then the trails actually get better because obviously the water, and it's like uh yeah, it's just interesting to now live here and actually have different seasons and have to wear like actual Gore-Tex and stuff like that. Like in Australia, I never owned Gore-Tex, didn't even know what it was.

Lucy 11:00

Did you visit Canada before like deciding to move?

Jarrad 11:03

No, it came over here originally just to to work for two years and and visit and hang out, and and obviously the sea of the sky is pretty famous for mountain biking. Yeah, um, and then it just like snowboard from there in lack of better words, but um, yeah, just like eventually grew into something more, and now I'm working at Norco Bikes and a ton of other different things, and it's like yeah, pretty cool. Sweet.

Lucy 11:30

So that's awesome.

Skate Era Influences And Visual Style

Jarrad 11:32

Tell me, tell me a bit about um you just mentioned like the balance and the yin and things like that. When you're talking about the film shoots and that type of thing, what influences you on those? Like, I feel like a lot of the ones that you've done are very much that like skate vibe, your whole outfit, like everything, everything you're into, like I feel like has that sort of skate vibe that was maybe 15 odd years ago when you look at the skate videos.

Lucy 12:02

Yeah.

Jarrad 12:03

And what's influencing you now to be able to do that?

Lucy 12:06

I feel like I've just so drawn to that sort of era and that sort of I've just always been inspired by people who ha just seem like they're enjoying what they're doing so much, and I feel like that comes across so hard in skateboarding, and it's I like when it's fast paced and entertaining to watch, and I love stuff like that. I like surf, like football from a ball, and like all I like all the kind of like that type of stuff I think has a really nice it captures a really good feeling. Yeah. And so I I try and pull from stuff like that, and try not to I try and pull from like things that I like the look of like I love the look of fisheye. Fish eye is one of my favorite things ever. And I feel like you see that so commonly in skate and older stuff, and and it's so I try and just yeah, keep it, keep it what I'm enjoying watching, and that makes that gets me stoked.

Jarrad 13:06

Yeah, definitely that like late 90s, early 2000s vibes. Yeah, I feel like that was where even in like BMX like dirt jumping and that type of stuff, like that fisheye was everywhere, it was crazy. So that's yeah. Who who else was like a big influence on you when you were coming up? I know you had a couple of big mentors and obviously still do, like what tell me a bit about

Casey Brown And The Freeride Turning Point

Jarrad 13:31

that.

Lucy 13:31

Yeah, um, I mean, when I I was a racer or I was racing and I liked it, but I didn't, you know, it wasn't something I was like, I want to do this forever, and I love it so much. And then Casey Brown was throwing an event, like a free ride event, and there wasn't really many free ride events, and there wasn't really many free ride events that women were invited to, and she was such a pioneer for getting women involved in that type of thing, and and she had an all women's free ride event dark course, and um I got invited, and I was so excited to go, and I got there, and I loved everything about it. It was such a turning point for me. I was like, this is an option, you can enjoy biking in this way, this is so cool, and I loved jumps, and I I loved the people, and I Casey's such a huge influence for me, and being around her was just like so like this is what I want to be, and she's she's so cool, and and we got along really well, and she invited me to go to formation for her as her digger, and so we did this big road trip for a couple months and or a month, and went drove all the way up to Utah and like stopped in Farwell Canyon and did a bunch of stops, and I got to hang out with her and her crew, and I was just like I felt like I was like dreaming, I was so hyped the whole time. And that seeing Freeride like as just someone who I was just like there, and I felt so lucky and such a privilege to be there and getting to see the community that way was so awesome, and I just fell in love with it, and it was super inspiring. Like Casey's so cool, and Vero's another one of my huge inspos. Like, I love Vero, I love what she's doing with the sport, like it's it's what I want to do. She she makes sick videos, she does sick builds. Um, yeah, she doesn't she just goes to the jam style events, like that's such a huge inspo of mine, and yeah, they're both so cool.

Jarrad 15:32

So, yeah. Tell me just before you went to that first big event with Casey, yeah. Um what was it like going to the racetrack? Because I always hear about like freestyle motocrosses and things like that in the early days, and like you hear about like say Brian Deegan or Travis Pastrana and they're like, Oh yeah, we love doing the racing, but I was always the guy to send the big jumps. Like, was that you in the racing side of things? Did you enjoy the big jumps before you got to Casey's event or when you got there that was the clicking point? Or how did that come about?

Lucy 16:05

That's a good question. I don't really know if I was I think I was just trying to go fast. Like, I don't know if I was enjoying if I was thinking about the jumps too much while racing. I think it was just like I'm just trying to get to the bottom. And I remember really liking the feeling when the race was over. Yeah, I was like, oh, it's done. That's great. And so I don't think I was I was just excited for that. And that's just because I didn't really enjoy competing.

Jarrad 16:34

I didn't like how the pressure felt, and I think I put a lot of it on myself, and yeah, just yeah, definitely that sort of free flow jam definitely helps with releasing a lot of that pressure, yeah, and like being able to break down the events and like break down the line and things like that. Yeah. So that road trip down obviously changed quite a lot of things for you going down there with Casey. What was that like being at that event? Because it was still

Formation Lessons And Desert Speed Illusions

Jarrad 17:02

I feel like there was a lot of hype around that event, but from the inside out, how did that feel?

Lucy 17:07

Well, it was crazy. For I mean, thinking of formation now, it obviously isn't like an event anymore because the women are in for rampage, which is so rad, but it it was so crazy because you were they're doing they were doing the same thing. Yeah, they were you were still building a full line top to bottom and dropping in, like having a comp run. It was like the same thing, and I think yeah, it was crazy to be there. I felt like I was a small fish dropped into like a massive pond. I remember standing at the top of some of those features and being like, no way, and riding in the desert for the first time is such a trip. Like, yeah, but it's so exposed, there's no trees, it's it's so dry and slow, and you're dropping so much elevation so fast. Yeah, so it's such a different feeling, and I definitely felt way, I was like, I it's so but it was scary, but I don't know.

Jarrad 18:09

So you did a bit of writing down there?

Lucy 18:11

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jarrad 18:12

So when you say that it's so slow, because you see some of the stuff that they're doing down there, tell me what you mean by that, because I feel like for somebody listening that just watches it on TV, it looks like they are going quite quick. But like But like I understand when you say it's so slow because of the size of the features, yeah, compared to say if you're in the bike park or that type of thing, like I'm sure the the actual speed is different.

Lucy 18:40

Yeah, well, it's just I find in the desert, mm-and and not to say you do this for every feature built, but there's a lot of breaking involved, especially when riding those like top to bottom lines, because it's just so steep and cliffy, and you're dropping like all this elevation all the time. So you pretty much I was like pretty much breaking into all the drops and all the stuff you're hitting because you just have to, you're coming down so fast, and that's a different feeling, like I think, than a lot of the riding I've done previously. A lot of the times it's trying to gather as much speed as you can.

Jarrad 19:17

Yeah.

Lucy 19:18

Um so it's just it's just different, and it's it's a whole different ball game riding there. I think it's it's scary. It's if you mess up, it's at the edge of something.

Jarrad 19:28

So and I I feel like it must be so different not having trees to gauge your speed. Because like I feel like all of the things that I've done, it's so easy to be like, all right, I can feel my speed by how fast the trees are coming past me. Versus like when you are in those like super open areas, yeah, whether it's in the desert or like a big grass field or anything like that on a ridgeline and there's no trees. That's the thing that always throws me off because I'm like, I actually don't know how fast I'm going. Like, and you almost feel like you need to put like half a crank in to feel that speed. But like, is that sort of something that you're learning down there?

Lucy 20:08

Yeah, it's definitely weird not having trees to judge your speed. Trees help a bunch, and they help with um protection from the elements as well, like the wind or whatever's going on. Like having a bunch of trees is so nice, and and it's definitely harder to judge the size of things. Everything looks like you can tell, especially when you're filming in the forest, how big something is and how fast someone's moving, because you have this um like stagnation. Yeah, but in the desert, there's really nothing like that. So it's it's so hard. You go there in person and everything's massive, and then you see someone's video of it and it looks like doable and chill, and then you get to it and you're like, oh

Rampage Goals And Video Dream Projects

Lucy 20:53

my gosh. So yeah.

Jarrad 20:56

So is that a plan for you? I was gonna ask about this later on, but we're perfectly on this topic. Is that a plan for you to end up in that world of that big air sort of free ride type of thing?

Lucy 21:08

Yeah, I I don't know. I would I would love to do it. I would love to do Rampage for sure. And and whenever that timing works out or when the when the stars align, I'm not I'm not in a rush, I'm just taking my time and taking it when it comes to me. So yeah, and and I think for like the overall plan of what I want to do, the dream would be to create more videos. I love that's like I would love to be creating really like longer, cooler, unique pieces and builds. Um that would be like I that's my I love that. And and I do love events like Darkfest is one of the best weeks of the year. Events are super cool as well, but yeah, I I want to focus on the creative side of it. I that's when Yeah.

Jarrad 21:58

I feel like Darkfest. Kind of blends the two worlds because it's not really a competition per se. No, the jumps are tested, like you know, okay, if I hit it at this speed and I don't freak out, I should be okay. Um so like yeah, there's like I feel like from the outside in, and correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like there's a lot less pressure on the actual riding aspect, yeah. And if you don't feel it, then you don't do it versus like rampage, it's like, alright, I'm literally dropping in to do everything I can do.

Lucy 22:34

Yeah. And there's so it is exactly that. You're spot on. I think it's so at an event like Darkfest U, there's so many riders and so much thing go things going on that if you're like not feeling well or just tired or sore and you don't want to sesh, if you sit down and watch, it's not nobody notices like so much stuff going on, so much riding happening, it's kind of on your own time and at your own pace, and you can kind of get out of it what you want out of it, and no one really cares about what you're doing because everyone's focused on just making it the best for themselves or getting what they need to out of the event.

Jam Sessions Versus Competition Intensity

Lucy 23:13

So yeah.

Jarrad 23:13

Yeah. What is that culture like when you compare like what you've seen at like formations and rampage versus like a dark vest or a like is Casey's Dark Horse? Dark Horse, yeah. Like what the I feel like the vibe and the the culture's different. Like, how how do you feel with that?

Lucy 23:33

Well, I haven't really experienced too many com like free ride competitions. Most of the events I've been to are jams, and I've been to Rampage um as part of a team, and I've been to formation as part of the team, but not the actual competitor. Yeah. So it would be hard to say exactly like that feeling. I rode in natural selection. Um I didn't compete, but I rode through practice and I ended up breaking my leg. But um that the vibe is is definitely um everyone's want has to get what they gotta get done. They gotta get their T2B, they gotta get their tricks in. And so it's it's kind of it's more intense. It's just a little more like something, you know, you don't have a lot of time to waste. Like often at those type of events, it's real it's windy and you have an hour and you gotta get as much as you possibly can done. Like at Rampage, you have a testing window and you test as much as you can, or at NSC you need to like try as much as you can before, so it's just a lot more intense. Yeah, it's it.

Jarrad 24:40

I feel like it almost sounds like it's almost back in that racing world where it's like, okay, you have like time X to do whatever you need to do, and then it's time to perform.

Lucy 24:50

Yeah. Yeah, well, it's that competition that like it is just like this you gotta Yeah, totally.

Jarrad 24:58

It just yeah, yeah, very easy to like get stuck in that competition head.

Trail Building From Scratch And The Science

Lucy 25:03

Yeah.

Jarrad 25:03

So when you talk about like some of the videos and and some of the editing and things like that, how much of the lines are you building yourself? Like you just mentioned obviously you're doing some building now, but in some of the previous videos are you doing some of the building and things like that?

Lucy 25:17

I haven't really done much of the building. There was in the second volume of the loose operations, there was a couple like kind of raking trails that weren't really much, but I haven't done much of my own build, so this coming project will be really um exciting for me. I mean, it's the dream is to have projects that are interesting because of the build as well as the riding, and there that's a side of the riding that I feel to call myself a free rider, I have to take part in. So I'm really excited about that. And um I think it's a hard thing to do a build. It's you it's a hard thing to do to get into, I would say. It's because if you if you don't really know what you're doing and you want to build a decent trail, you don't really know where to start, and there's so many little things I've learned along the way, and I'm I'm nowhere near like know enough even the store. I need I need to keep learning, and I I'm it's such a cool process. And my friend um and the guy is filming the video, he's super cool. His name's Liam. Liam Irvine. Okay, and um he's a really good builder, and he's yeah, he's really we're doing this together, and we're gonna it's gonna be like a collaborative effort, and we started something cool, and yeah, you kinda need someone like that, especially if you're in my position with a bit of experience who can kind of take the lead when you're like, is this gonna work? I don't know about this, or w what does this have to look like? And uh so I'm grateful for that. And I hadn't really had too much of that before, and and so it's it's new, it's good.

Jarrad 26:56

Are you much of a visualizing person? Like if you were to like look at a piece of ground, can you visualize like jumps and lines?

Lucy 27:04

Is that something for sure, but they're probably not gonna work. They're like um Yeah, I I have a w I have a pretty active imagination, so I I love stuff like that. Um when it comes to actually doing it, it's a pretty it's pretty skillful craft, and even just making lips is so hard to get the radius, to get all of it right. And and I'm like learning a lot. Like I learned a weird thing about flat bottom the other day. Like as soon as your flat bottom starts going up, you're losing speed. So you have to like, which is kind of obvious, but you can kind of look at your terrain that you're building, and as soon as you feel it start to go up, it's like that okay, this is where I'm gonna be losing speed. Do I need more? And then you have to dig down. It's kind of like there's so many little facets to it that you don't even think about when you're riding, yeah. So it's cool to learn.

Jarrad 28:00

Yeah, the the like science behind trail building is insane. Like that's for me, I know the biggest thing. Like, yes, walking down through the the bush and the trees and and everything like that, and being like, oh, that'd be a cool feature, like jump off that rock, this and that. But exactly as you say, like understanding what the bike's gonna do before you start digging is such a crazy thing, yeah. And then like looking at the the way that you can change a radius to be able to carve a different way or yeah, like pump through it, and like that's one thing exactly as you say, like if the ground is slightly tilted up, I feel like it makes it so much harder to pump into the lip, yeah, versus if you're already, I guess, like accelerating in from it going down.

Lucy 28:47

Like have you done much building?

Jarrad 28:49

I have in Australia since I moved here, I haven't. Um, I sort of there's so many trails, and like I I almost don't need to build anymore because there is so many trails locally. Yeah, but yeah, definitely in Australia, like lots of different trails. Uh one Christmas, we got like me and a bunch of friends got given shovels for Christmas because we kept stealing our parents' shovels and breaking them and things like that. So um, yeah, I think like I've been building jumps since I was probably 10 years old in the backyard and probably even younger to be honest, and it's exactly as you say, it's like such a fun experiment to learn how things work and then how not to like essentially make yourself crash because the jump was built incorrectly. Yeah. Um, so apart from as Liam, you said sorry? Yeah. Yeah. So apart from Liam, have you done much other building with other people? Obviously, you said you did like rampage and stuff with Casey, but like for stuff that you're writing yourself?

Lucy 29:50

Yeah, I have done like some maintain, like I've I've done the sort of digging where it's not it's already a thing, but we're just gonna patch a hole or fix this or make it the lip taller or make it shorter. Like kind of I've worked at spots or pack this or you know, kind of those type of tasks, but definitely haven't done much from scratch, which is the process I'm super excited to learn about and something I want to get really good at. And yeah, it it is such a cool feeling being in the forest, especially here. The trees are so tall, and we spent like yeah, we dug all day yesterday too. We spent like 12 hours out there and or like 10, but we were like going, and yeah, it it's uh it's just you feel so tired and good after. I wanna get I would love to do way more of that.

Jarrad 30:41

Yeah, for sure. When you're

Training Reality For Freeride Progression

Jarrad 30:43

out building and and things like that, are you also in the gym and are you training for the riding aspect or are you just like balancing your efforts?

Lucy 30:53

Yeah, I I train in the gym a fair bit, especially during the winter. Um I start to kind of not do as much when it gets into summer just because I'd rather spend a day moving rocks or hiking my bike up than in the in the building, but yeah, it's kind of it's a balance for me. I try not to like focus too much on on um being too regimented and I like to have like a pretty open mind and schedule for whatever the whatever the day will bring. So yeah, definitely.

Jarrad 31:28

It's it's an interesting question because obviously growing up racing and then talking with a lot of races and being surrounded by a lot of races, it's always an interesting balance to find when you talk to someone like yourself that's in that free ride world or um any of that type of thing where it's like you obviously need to be extremely strong for what you're doing, but then because you are building the trails and you're you're doing so much exercise in general anyway, it almost cancels out anything you do in the gym. Yeah.

Lucy 32:00

So it's like Yeah, and and I think that there's definitely benefits to being in the gym and and everyone's different. So I think I talked to a lot of my friends that are racist have way tighter pro that I mean they all have a have a tighter program than I do for sure. But it's it's sweet, and and I feel like I use different muscles too. I like when I go riding it, it looks a lot different than trail- I'm like a lot of the times going to one feature and just doing it as many times as my body will allow me to, or before I have to go. And then you get all the hiking muscles ready and you go pedaling and you're like, oh my god, I'm so unfit. But it's just you've just been doing different things. Yeah.

Jarrad 32:44

Yeah. So tell me a bit about the storytelling in them in the videos and and stuff like

Directing Shoots And Chasing The Right Shot

Jarrad 32:50

that. You've obviously done a couple of like the um why momental blanking, the loose uh Yeah, I did loose operations. Loose operations and things like that.

Lucy 33:00

Yeah.

Jarrad 33:00

And then you've also done some stuff with like anthills and that type of thing. When you're doing your own ones, are you sort of directing in the sense of how you want that story to be told, or are you allowing more of the filmers and and the editors to tell that story, or I guess you're kind of working together of some description?

Lucy 33:19

I think it's definitely collaborative. You I think you want everyone on board to see the vision you do and be stoked on that. And you also want everyone involved, or I want everyone involved to be stoked on what they're what they're making and what they're a part of. Um, so I try and collaborate as much as possible, just everyone sharing ideas, we're bouncing off of each other, we're finding a creative vision that works for everyone involved, and and yeah, it's kind of how I do it. And I like to not get too caught up in one idea or too caught up in one thing or how I want something to look and and kind of always be like zooming out as much as I can and and just get being excited for anything that could happen or any ideas anyone has.

Jarrad 34:08

Yeah. How does it feel much different when you're working with someone like Antil versus doing your own sort of private stuff?

Lucy 34:17

For sure. I mean, I think when you go into um a project with like they they know what they're doing, they have a vision, they know what they want to get. It's pretty, it's they know kind of what trails they want to ride or what they what they want to do, and they're so dialed. Like there's a bunch of them, they're setting up cable cams, there's also a drone going, there's someone on sound, like they're just a tight, a tight ship, and um, so it's it's a different vibe because it's both of them are so fun because it is fun to just kind of be like, this is what we're doing, yay, this, this is so fun. And it's also more intense when you're the only rider. Like the projects I've done with Ant Hill, it's been like me and Brett, or me and um Patricia has and Vin like crews of people, and it kind of takes the pressure off. But when it's just you, it it's pretty easy to get pretty involved. Like, can I see the shot? I but I like I do like seeing the shot because I think that's you're like you can only re sometimes something feels so dorky and lame, and then you watch the shot and you're like, oh, yeah, that was actually sick, or something feels so sick, and you watch the shot and you're like, Why is my elbow like out like that and my knees to you like oh and so stuff like that is good to if you're a perfectionist, but when you're working with that many people and that much crew, there's not a lot of opportunity for like I'm gonna do this 80 billion times.

Jarrad 35:44

Yes, yeah, yeah, it's it's actually funny you say that because I was talking with a couple of people uh today actually after watching a few of your videos, and it's like tech technically speaking on the bike, you are so sound, like like I'm not well uh you are in the sense of like where your hand placement is, where your elbow placement is, and it's like obviously, yes, you've probably ridden that feature 10 plus times before you've put that in the in the shot, but it's like it also comes so naturally, so it's kind of cool to hear you say because I've been on the the same thing where it's like you watch the video and you're like oh that didn't feel anything like I thought, and then it's like the opposite where you're like I felt like the biggest goofball, and then it looks sick, and it's like it's kind of funny that you say that because I feel like the behind the scenes of some of these video edits, it's like I don't even know how to explain it, apart from exactly that, it's like it's so different to how you feel on the bike, and it's hard to get that relation of like okay, if I if I move my body this way and do this, it's gonna make it look this way on the film.

Lucy 36:55

Yeah, it's super hard, and and there's always things that you want to do where you're like, if I could do that, it would be so sick. And it's hard to or you see a feature and you envision a a trick and and then you try it like a bunch of times, and sometimes you don't get like there's so much that goes into it that people don't see, and yeah, it's hard because you uh there's been like times where I've been trying to do this straight and I feel so sick and then I watch it and there's like no movement, and when I feel like my I'm not really liking the clips I'm seeing, I always remind myself to get aggressive, like as aggressive as I possibly can, because though I for me the st style of riding I like is like when someone's moving across a trail and like has so much movement and so much play in their riding, I I get really I'm like so that's be what I try and do. I'm like, okay, get more aggressive, like get into it.

Jarrad 37:56

Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. Like super aggressive, but not rushed. Yeah. Like when it's rushed, I feel like it's just super chaotic and it just I don't know, doesn't look that great in my eyes. Yeah, but that really aggressive, like dirt flicking everywhere, bike is like just like not destroying the bike like Bragay per se, but like just really like

Solo Filming Mindset And Rap Soundtracks

Jarrad 38:20

exactly as you want it, how you want it, where you need it, yeah, that type of thing I think is really cool to see. Yeah. When you're on the the film shoots by yourself doing the riding yourself, how do you get yourself in that uh like mental space? Do you have other people there riding with you that aren't being filmed, or how does that work?

Lucy 38:40

Yeah, it depends. Sometimes there's other people, sometimes I have friends um that come out for a couple days of the shoot, or um homies. I for on the list, the most recent one I did, I had one of my like childhood best friends who also is an insanely cool photographer, um, come out and shoot photos, and she was such a fun vibe to have. And I normally get along super well with the filmer, but honestly, music, like I'll I will mostly be riding alone or with people and have headphones in, and and I'll be like getting really into it and hyping myself up, and and a lot of the times, um sometimes if I get a little angry, like a little hungry, a little like it can it can help me kind of lock in a bit more, tighten up a bit.

Jarrad 39:26

Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it's always funny because I always found that the hardest thing. If I was doing any sort of filming and I'm the only person writing, no matter how good the film was and how good friends and buddies and everything like that, I always felt like my ceiling of writing was lower. I just never felt like I could just like fully vibe, totally which is interesting.

Lucy 39:48

I agree. I mean it it's hard to it's hard to lock in fully when you're like cut just doing it alone. I definitely think part of the beauty of writing and the fun of it is doing is sharing it with people. So it's a different type of feeling, but yeah, music helps me feel like in it. Yeah.

Jarrad 40:09

What what sort of music are you going to for that type of stuff?

Lucy 40:12

Mostly rap. Like mostly I I'm a big, big, big L fan. Big L is my all-time favorite. And um, yeah, I like all type of like old kind of hip hop-y and um like Afro Man a lot. Like Afro Man gets me hyped and yeah, stuff uh stuff like that kind of like gangster type vibes. Yeah.

Jarrad 40:34

If you haven't been, you have to go down to Portland. Is it Portland, I'm pretty sure, or is it Seattle? Might be Seattle, and they got the music museum down there. Yeah. And there's like a massive, like from day one of rap, like all the way through. It's insane.

Lucy 40:49

So sick. I have to go check that out. Have you been there? Yeah.

Jarrad 40:52

Yeah, it's like it was when we went down there, it was just after Christmas. And like when I say after Christmas, this is probably I don't even know, four years, five years ago now, maybe. Yeah. But when we went in, they had like a guitar Christmas tree. No one. Yeah.

Lucy 41:08

So what kind of music do you listen to?

Jarrad 41:10

Mainly like the punk, rock, yeah, like crusty demons of the dirt, yeah, type stuff. So it's like, yeah, that's my main go-to. But the when you're talking about like Afroman and everyone else, I'm like, oh, that just instantly popped a memory in my head of that museum, music museum. So yeah, next time you're down there, you have to check that out.

Lucy 41:31

I will for sure.

Bike Setup Choices For Big Jumps

Jarrad 41:33

Um, tell me a bit about bike setup. You've obviously you would specialise now. Yeah, you got a few other cool brands on board. Yeah. How when I talk to, let's say, racers about this stuff, they're obviously very particular about what they need. I'm trying to think how I word this without making it sound like free riders don't care about their setup because I feel like they do. And I I know talking to certain free riders, they're almost more particular.

Lucy 42:02

Yeah.

Jarrad 42:03

How do you go with that?

Lucy 42:05

I'm pretty I'm pr I like pretty chill, stiff and slow. Stiff and slow is good. Um stiff slow, a lot of PSI in the tires is what I normally go with. And it's sweet. Like I wasn't really sure how to set up a trail bike, so I took the suspension out of the box and the Marsh suspension's so good, and I put it on the bike, and I was like, I don't I don't really know how to set it up. And I just went riding. I didn't even change anything. I was like, oh just see. And I liked it, and I kind of I think it's still maybe like that. Um and I there's not I'm not too particular. I care about what's on my bike, I don't want to be misconstrued there, but I um I also think everything's so good and so dialed, and yeah. For for events where it is pretty consequential, like dark vest backwards, where you've gotta have the right setup, I I definitely make sure it's like pretty much locked out and as slow as possible and then usually pretty safe.

Jarrad 43:08

Yeah, yeah. Are you talking with many of the other riders at those type of events to like see what they're running and getting like learning off them from that?

Lucy 43:18

Sure. And the like if there's a lot of if I I will be like, hop on my bike, does it feel good? Like, what do you think? Is this gonna be okay? Like, I'm so I'm sometimes I get nervous that I'm just gonna like or something. So I definitely talk a lot. I I'm always asking people what they run. If I see someone has a similar suspension setup than I have or a similar bike, I'm always like, what are you putting in there? What are you setting it to? Um because yeah, I'm and I'm also always open to switching it up and trying something new, like to see if it's better and to see what other people are doing. So yeah.

Jarrad 43:53

Do you that kind of answered already what I was gonna ask you? I was gonna say, do you experiment much with change? Changing things or it's just like pretty much as stiff as you can get it, as slow as you can get it.

Lucy 44:04

Yeah, I've I've been experimenting a bit with my rear shock, like compression-wise, and maybe even like I've have it a little sped up to have more of like dynamic movements and trying to because I I feel like sometimes with stiff and slow you can have a pretty stiff pop, um, which is sometimes hard for tricks, so I want to have more of like a pop pop, so I've been playing around with it, but nothing too crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Jarrad 44:29

Yeah, I always found that, like coming from that racing background, I always found that my bikes were always like not soft by any means because they have to be stiff for the speed you're traveling, but quite fast in the rebound. And then anytime I jumped on a a like a let's call it a free rider's bike per se, I'm like, how do you ride this? Like, I didn't even think I could get it off the ground. Like they were so so slow in that rebound. But do you find that like depending on the course, are you changing things? Like if it's a smaller jump setup, when I say smaller jump setup, we're still talking double extra large jumps. When you're looking at say like Dark Fest versus like a joyride style of course, or uh if you're in the trails and trail riding, yeah.

Lucy 45:15

I well, I definitely I have an S3 demo, which is like a medium demo, yeah that I would ride at like the big jumps because it's stable and I I would put safety as like the most important thing when you're riding those jumps. So uh that bike definitely feels super safe and stable, and then I'll ride more like events still massive jumps, but that are more trickable and yeah, well, dark vest is super trickable, but just more yeah, whatever. And I could go to my status, which is a s2, so like a small. Yeah. Um and it's super fun as well. It has a it's a little bit more playful and has a little bit more like of a free ride bike feel, whereas the demo's like still a bit racy. So the I play around with it kind of more switching around the bikes and not as much as the suspension.

Jarrad 46:09

Yeah, you go yeah, more bike specific, and then the the bike is already pre-set personally.

Lucy 46:14

Yeah, and I got it small, I just got an S2 demo, it just got stolen, but I it was brand new, and that was gonna be my like it kind of bridges the gap of those two bikes, but get long gone now.

Jarrad 46:28

Maybe it may come back. There's enough people out there that will know it's bright red. Yeah, it is bright red with a bright red fork on it. Yeah, so hopefully you see that back because that that does suck so much.

Lucy 46:40

Yeah, it's better me than some kid who like saved off all their money to buy a bike. And I have other bikes, so yeah.

Jarrad 46:47

Yeah, that's uh that's actually a really good way to look at it for sure.

Lucy 46:51

Um I sometimes oh sorry. No, keep going. I was just saying I sometimes I I look at it kind of like it it just got stolen for a reason. Like I wasn't meant something bad was gonna happen, or I meant as it meant to, or it was like I just think it happened

Fear Management And The Talk Rule

Lucy 47:08

for a reason.

Jarrad 47:08

So that's that yeah, that's a really good way to reframe it. And I kind of want to go down that path a little bit, and I wasn't going to, but let's do it. Mentally how do I how do I do this? How do I say this? Like mentally when you're at some of these events and things like that, and you're starting to feel nervous, anxious, are you looking for different things to make yourself feel comfortable again? How are you re reframing, I guess is the right word, like to to feel good and feel comfortable in what you're doing?

Lucy 47:44

Yeah, I kind of have a rule that I try and follow, and this really it doesn't apply to everything, but um I try and decipher whether or not I'm talking myself into something or talking myself out of something. And if I'm talking myself into something, I try not to do it, and if I'm talking myself out of something, I tend to do it. Because if you're talking yourself into something, it would mean the initial feeling, and the feeling you've started with is I don't want to do this, I don't want to touch this, and then you're like, do it because of this. Like your sponsors are this video or this and this and this, and you're giving yourself all these reasons to do it. Um, but if you're talking yourself out of something, you wanted to do it. You're like, you got there and you're like, I want to do this, I'm excited, but then you're like, oh, but what about that tree? Or like what if I crash, or what about this night? Like, all that stuff is talking yourself out of it. And I think that's it really depends on your initial feeling. Like, if if it's something you want, then then the reward is there and the risk is there. But if it's something you're like, uh, this doesn't even look appealing to me, but I should do it for these other reasons, and then it's probably not worth it.

Jarrad 48:49

Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a really good way to look at it. Who taught you that sort of stuff? Or is that stuff that you've just read, or like where did you come up with that type of idea?

Lucy 48:59

Dunno, maybe I read that somewhere. I just kind of had just noticed that that was something that um it just I did struggle I do struggle a fair bit with like sometimes just being overwhelmed with those like wow, this is super big, or like being scared, and I think that was a something I kind of came up with as as my like you know, decide or decide to do it or don't, and and it's good for me because I think a really good feeling is when you're like I'm gonna do it, and then I like to understand it and know what I'm gonna do and know how I'm gonna do it, but the feeling of deciding that you're like in for something is really sound.

Jarrad 49:37

Yeah, that committing feeling I feel like is the biggest thing.

Lucy 49:41

Yeah.

Jarrad 49:41

Um, I know, especially with myself and doing certain things, I'm like, all right, I know if I tick all of the boxes leading up to it, then I'm gonna be fine. Yeah. Um, and it's kind of like every year, the first time I jump crabs, yeah, I'm like, all right, I haven't done anything this big for like a solid six months. Yeah. I kind of just need to like take a big deep breath, roll into it, and if I tick all of the boxes leading up to it, then it's gonna be fine. And it's like, okay, cool. And then you kind of just fully commit, and you know, okay, if something goes wrong, I'm just gonna pull, pull left and out of the line, or whatever it has to be. Yeah. Um, but yeah, exactly as you say, it's like I like the idea. I've never thought of it in the way of if you're having to talk yourself into it, it's probably not the right idea or the right time to do it.

Lucy 50:34

Yeah, yeah, and it's it can be all about timing. I think that um there's such a there's such a people don't really talk about how good it feels when you're riding on a good day where you feel good and you feel confident and you're excited. And there's some days where you just don't. You're just not feeling like self-confident and ready. And on those days I tr I think it's okay to just be like, oh, it's not my day today. I'm gonna come back to this when I feel good, and and doing things when you feel good just feels better. Yeah, yeah.

Jarrad 51:07

Yeah, definitely.

Social Media Pressure And Long Form Comeback

Jarrad 51:08

One thing I wanted to ask you before we start to get sort of wrap this up a little bit is social media. I feel like you're in the age of you've always had it in the world, like you didn't know anything beforehand, and now being in this position of not content creator, but in that same like video editing type world, less competitive type thing. How does the social media affect what you're doing?

Lucy 51:40

Yeah, uh social media is such is such a part is such a big part of the sport, um, especially if you write a lot of you have to be posting and you have to be active, and I think as long as for me I have a lot of fun with it, I I I enjoy um come coming up with posts and I I enjoy sharing my life. I think that's awesome. And as long as you're having fun with it, and it yeah, I I don't want to get to a point where I feel like I'm posting stuff that doesn't reflect who I who I am and what I'm about. So I think that there's always ways to kind of enjoy it and have fun with it, and that's what you try and do.

Jarrad 52:19

Do you find it distracting in any way? Like in the sense of uh do like having to post something X amount of times for a certain contract or sponsor or whatever, like do you find that distracting or it's pretty pretty loose in the sense of okay, I just have to take a couple extra photos here and then I know I can fulfill what I need to fulfill.

Lucy 52:46

I'm trying to get more on it with getting my friends to take videos and trying to be a bit better at that because I definitely feel I'm like, oh, I should be posting more, I should be doing more, I should be getting more clips. Um so it's kinda it is hard because there's it it stacks up like you gotta be active and present. Yeah, uh it would be I don't know, it's hard to say. It's just a hard thing to navigate for me. Like I I don't think I do the most insane job at social media, but I really want to get better and I I want to keep doing like more stuff and yeah, yeah, as I say, it was just something that popped into my head earlier on, and I'm like, I wonder because you've never known any different in the sense of the world without social media, I guess that makes sense. I think the world without social media was really cool as well. Like I think it would be sick to be a biker, a professional biker who is trying to get the photo for the cover of the magazine. Yeah. Like that's so cool. Like or, you know, you're just making movies or you're just doing stuff like that, and those I I think those days are super awesome, and I do think they're having a comeback. I think magazines are having a comeback. I think full-length films or longer form content is having a comeback, and that is something I love to see because I think there's a lot more opportunity to be creative and to have personality, and I love seeing pro people's personality, and I love when I feel like I can show my personality and and everyone can I love B-roll, like B-roll in films and bike videos is one of my favorite things, and um so I think when you have c content that is like magazine or longer format or um professionally filmed, it's there's a lot more opportunity to express yourself and and that's super cool versus like a POV clip on the reels. It's just yeah.

Jarrad 54:43

Yeah, that 30-second clip is like the ultimate teaser, but at the same time, like Steve Vanderhoek and Kelsey's movie that just came out, like that is so good. So good. Exactly what you're saying. It shows all of the behind the scenes, everything he's obviously gone through an insane amount of like ups and downs, but at the same time, that full-length film allowed them to be able to show that. You couldn't show that in a five-minute film.

Lucy 55:11

And I think that that has a message that has meaning, that has a story behind it and something to say, and I think stuff like that is so important and and so fulfilling as well as a person, like to create something that that you can have a lot of passion put into is really I think it's such a awesome experience. So yeah, I love seeing stuff like that. I I love their film, I thought it was super cool.

Jarrad 55:36

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Is there any other trends that you are seeing that you

Making Mountain Biking Feel Accessible

Jarrad 55:41

want to make happen?

Lucy 55:42

Trends?

Jarrad 55:44

Like when I say trends, trends within mountain biking, like obviously we don't need the the cheesy trends on Instagram because they are they're never good, but like when you talk about like magazine covers and long edition films and things like that, is there other things that you're keen to get a part of?

Lucy 56:01

I love when I see people riding like old bikes, like uh Kona stinkies or the specialized demo eights, or um, there's so many different old bikes, but I think that's super cool because and riding in casual clothes like jeans shorts and and stuff like that, I think that is a such a cool thing for mountain biking to have because it shows people that it can be accessible. Yeah, like those bikes go for not a lot on Facebook Marketplace, and and that's just a kit you would wear every day, and showing people that side of the sport I think will help it grow because if you're someone who's not sure about riding bikes and the only people you see are in like full kits, $14,000 bikes, it doesn't seem like something you can just dip your toes into, but when you see a bunch of kids or people riding around on like older, even hardtails, anything wearing like jeans, you're like, oh, maybe I should try going for a bike ride. And I think the more the sport can grow, the better it is for everyone, and the more people that can fall in love with biking, the better. I think it's such a healthy way to be part of the forest and part of nature and get exercise. So yeah, I'm gassed on it just feeling more accessible. Like, hopefully, yeah, I think from my eyes, it it seems like it would be easier to get into if you didn't feel like you had to spend half your bank account or your whole bank account to do. So yeah, yeah.

Jarrad 57:29

No, I agree. I think that's such a good idea, idea, and opinion about just making it not so much making it cooler to ride old bikes, but like just making it acceptable.

Lucy 57:42

Yeah, I feel like they're still good, they still do the thing, and if you're not gonna ride every day of the week, or like if you're feeling like you want to ride once a month, it you can still do it, you know.

Jarrad 57:56

Yeah, yeah, I've got a ton of friends with like old 26-inch downhill bikes. So sick. And it's it's so fun. Like they're they're guys that have they're old enough that they raced 26-inch mountain bikes back in the day, and now like they're just they have them just to have them. Yeah, they're awesome. This like some of the ones are super spec'd out with like the old school parts, yeah.

Lucy 58:19

But the bombers with like the chicks on them and the yellow rims, all that stuff was so sick.

Jarrad 58:26

Yeah, the old Mavic wheels are really cool. Yeah, so yeah. Um I had something else I was gonna ask you, but I completely forgot. Oh, Donnie.

Donnie The Legend And Lifelong Stoke

Jarrad 58:38

Yeah, we we have to touch on Donnie. Yeah, of course. Tell me, tell me about this myth legend. You kind of mentioned him a little bit at the beginning, and when I mentioned to a couple of people that you were coming on, literally everybody that I mentioned to, they're like, Oh, you have to ask about a dad. Yeah, what why was everybody talking about him?

Lucy 58:59

My dad is such a G. My dad is so cool. Um, and he's very beloved. Uh, he's an awesome guy. He he is seventh time national downhill Canadian champ, or yeah, I think that's the title, and he is turning 60 this year, so it it's a really cool feat in my eyes. And and the other day he I'm sitting in the living room and he comes and he's like, I think I'm done downhill racing. And I was like, Oh, really? How come? He's like, I'm gonna start moto racing again. Uh what how many people like in that part of their lives are saying stuff like that? Like going from downhill bike racing back to like track moto riding is insane. And and I think he's been such a big inspiration of mine because he really showed me that you don't have to grow up, you don't have to grow out of the things you love. And he does he like has he does he is an adult, he does adult things, he has a job, but he also has so much fun and he makes the most of every single day that he has, and um I think that's so cool, and he's so fast, like so much faster than me. I I he loses me all the time, and I I think it's cool um for him that I'm super into something he loves. I think it's it's fun for both of us to have a connection like that as well. So yeah, he's a G.

Jarrad 1:00:20

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's quite funny. I had a couple of people be like, Don't worry about Lucy, get Donnie on. Don't worry about her, like she's cool and all, but like he would be the funniest.

Lucy 1:00:31

He's kinda yeah, he's maybe makes sense.

Jarrad 1:00:35

Maybe in the future we can get him in and go from there.

Lucy 1:00:38

Yeah, yeah, that yeah, he's a good guy. He's fun to talk to.

Jarrad 1:00:42

Yeah, no, definitely.

Final Thanks And Wrap

Jarrad 1:00:44

Yeah, all right. Well, on that note, thank you for coming down. Oh, thank you for having me. Spending the hour, yeah. No worries.

Lucy 1:00:49

That's awesome. Yeah, cheers.

Jarrad 1:00:51

Yeah, so much thanks.