Trusting Intuition When Fear Takes Over: Olive's Story | Healing Heroines

In this Healing Heroine episode, Chandler sits down with Depth Hypnosis facilitator Olive Evans, and our Hero + Psychic Medium on the show, Lea Morgan to explore what happens when intuition becomes impossible to ignore, even when it scares us.

Olive’s story begins at what felt like rock bottom: a divorce, chronic illness, insomnia, anxiety, and a life that looked nothing like the one she imagined. Through meditation, yoga, and small moments of light, she slowly rebuilt her health. But it wasn’t until an intuitive reading with Lea that everything clicked into place — including the abilities she’d carried since childhood but never understood; the very abilities that have become her purpose and her path.

This episode is for anyone curious about hypnosis, intuitive work, or learning how to trust inner guidance in a practical way. 

What You Will Learn

• [00:07:51] What first alerted Olive to her natural ability to guide others into hypnotic states
• [00:10:36] How Olive describes the experience of hypnosis from the facilitator’s perspective
• [00:13:58] Lea’s explanation of how intuition and hypnosis overlap without being the same thing
• [00:17:20] Why responsibility and consent are essential when working with altered states
• [00:20:44] How self-doubt can delay recognizing intuitive or hypnotic skill
• [00:24:02] What helped Olive begin trusting her abilities instead of questioning them
• [00:28:19] How grounding practices support ethical intuitive and hypnotic work
• [00:32:05] Why developing these skills requires ongoing self-awareness, not certainty

Let’s Connect!

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Transcript

Chandler Stroud: [00:00:00] Hey guys, it's Chandler and welcome to The Healing Heroes. I promise you.

I'm Chandler Stroud, an executive wife and busy mom of two who after years of living with anxiety. Health struggles and an unshakeable feeling like I should be happier, made a profound discovery that changed everything. Join me on a journey where unexpected paths lead to [00:00:30] healing and more happiness. On this show, we will explore unconventional ways to unlock more joy in your own life with the help of my very own healers.

And trusted advisors, the healing heroes.

Hey everyone, and welcome back to the Healing Heroes podcast. I'm your host Chandler, and today we are sharing another Healing Heroine episode, a format where I sit [00:01:00] down with one of our healing heroes alongside a woman that they've supported through her own healing journey. Today's conversation is about intuition.

Fear and what happens when you choose to listen to the quiet inner knowing, even when it would be easier not to. It's a story about learning to trust your gifts, rewriting old narratives and following a path that doesn't always make logical sense, but feels undeniably true. [00:01:30] You'll hear from Olive, a mother healer and depth hypnosis practitioner whose journey includes divorce, chronic illness, profound fear around her own intuitive abilities, and ultimately a brave decision to follow what lit her up inside.

Even when it terrified her, for those who are curious because I was and had to ask depth. Hypnosis is a [00:02:00] gentle way of working with the subconscious to heal the root of what's really going on, not just the surface symptoms. It's like hypnotherapy, but a more focused state that is very relaxed and organic.

Olive's connection with our healing hero. Psychic medium, Lee Morgan spans years from. Early viewing of a reading that a friend had with her to intuitive readings that offered not just insight, but permission. Permission to trust [00:02:30] herself, permission to step into her gifts and permission to believe she wouldn't have to walk this path alone.

Before we dive in, let me tell you a little bit more about our guest, olive today. All of Evans is a depth hypnosis facilitator, writer, yogi, and mother devoted to helping women reconnect with their authentic selves through expanded states of consciousness and embodied awareness work that honors the system's natural [00:03:00] pacing, allowing insight and transformation to emerge organically.

She works one-on-one with clients and facilitates intimate gatherings where women can slow down, listen inwardly and restore trust in their inner authority. Olive is based in Atlanta with her daughters and partner, an artist and gardener on a garden filled sanctuary where presence, simplicity, and beauty are practiced daily with varying degrees of [00:03:30] success.

And I am so grateful to welcome our healing hero, Lee Morgan. Back to the show. I've introduced her many times before, but for those new to the podcast after careers in advertising and interior design, Lee felt called to fully understand and open up to her intuitive gifts. She now offers mediumship and intuitive guidance readings and shares her work.

Openly to help normalize spiritual and psychic [00:04:00] experiences, especially for those who may feel afraid or uncertain about what they're sensing. Lee Olive, thank you so much to both of you for being here. I am really excited to have this conversation with you guys today. Hi. 

Olive: Thank you, Chandler. Thank you, Lee.

I'm so lit up by this. So exciting. 

Chandler Stroud: Oh, well, thank you for being here, olive. I loved our conversation because obviously as was the genesis of this show, I am so intrigued and fascinated about [00:04:30] new modalities and approaches to healing. So I loved hearing more about your work, and as always, I just find these conversations with our healing heroines who are brave enough and honest enough to come on the show and tell their stories just so fulfilling, meaningful.

And energizing. And so I'm just grateful to you for your willingness to show up and be fully in your authentic self for our listeners today. So thank you. 

Olive: Oh, thank you. I'm so [00:05:00] excited and so excited to be here with Lee who's had such an impact on my life and continues to, so very grateful. Thank you. 

Chandler Stroud: Well, that makes two of us Olive.

I feel the same way. 

Olive: We love Lee. 

Chandler Stroud: Okay, well, before we get into kind of the crux of today's topic, I always love to start with some light warmup questions. So Lee, I'm gonna start with you today. Yes. What's something meaningful or affirming that you've witnessed in a session recently? 

Lea Morgan: I [00:05:30] was speaking to a woman.

She was the client. She was living, speaking to her deceased father during the reading, and it was an unexpected loss. It's been hard, and she had mentioned, she had said something like, I'm really pretty sure he's sending me signs, but I'd love to know. Keep in mind, this was in January. And 

Chandler Stroud: Okay. 

Lea Morgan: The image I got in my head immediately was a rabbit.

Now I live in Atlanta. There are not rabbits outside [00:06:00] in January, and so I said, I, I just saw an image of a rabbit. And she said, Ooh, that's exactly what it was. Well, little did I know she was in Greece. And was driving down the road and like the largest rabbit she had ever seen, ran up in the middle of the road, stopped in the middle of the road, turned around and looked at the car and then ran off.

And so that's one right. 

Chandler Stroud: That's cool. I love asking this question because you don't remember so much. I know. So I think it's [00:06:30] fascinating from my perspective to hear the stories that you do. Yeah. 

Lea Morgan: Well I just remember, I guess, 'cause I remember my internal dialogue, which is kind of testament to the fact that I have to have faith and not used my brain because you know her, her father had passed in cold weather.

Then, I mean this was literally like three months after, so Jan, so it wasn't, none of this was rabbit time. So my brain, you know where I live. So my brain wants to tell me, well, that's the silliest thing you've ever gotten. How could it be a rabbit? [00:07:00] But I just ignore myself and say it. Anyways, 

Chandler Stroud: I how You do the great work, Lee.

Thank you for that. You're welcome. Olive. What's one small moment lately that's made you feel deeply aligned or grounded? 

Olive: Oh. This one is easy because I have two young daughters, and so I get all of these great moments of presence with them. So I'm thinking of my five-year-old. We were at the [00:07:30] playground this week and there were these great flowers made of metal that you could kind of bang with a mallet.

And she was going to town, and I just sat with her and we started making all of this music. And I think we might've stayed for 20 minutes, which is remarkable for a 5-year-old. But we just played these instruments together and for each other we would play tunes for each other. And it just felt so connected.

I felt so connected and so present with her and just like, this is it. This is the moment. This is why [00:08:00] we're, why we're here. I get to be with you. So yeah. 

Chandler Stroud: Cool. 

Olive: Really beautiful. 

Chandler Stroud: That is beautiful. Thank you for sharing that moment with us. 

Lea Morgan: That's. 

Chandler Stroud: Thank 

Lea Morgan: you. 

Chandler Stroud: Okay, well great start guys. Now we are gonna jump into why we're really here and I'm so excited to learn more about you, olive and your work.

I always love to start by just giving you the airtime to tell listeners a little bit more about you, olive, to the extent you're [00:08:30] comfortable sharing. I'd love to start with your life before working closely with Lee. What happened or what was happening in your world, emotionally, physically, spiritually, and what ultimately led you to seek her guidance?

Olive: Oh my gosh. It was a wild time. I found myself about a year and a half before I booked in that intuitive guidance reading with Lee, the lowest point I had ever been in my life. I had just gotten a [00:09:00] divorce. I had two small girls and I had no career to speak of. I had been a stay at home mom, and I had a lot going on in my body and my mind.

I was medicated for depression and anxiety and insomnia. I was grinding my teeth at night. I had PCOS and endometriosis. I mean, I was. It felt like rock bottom, and it was [00:09:30] so intense, and I just found myself in this place of like, I cannot believe I'm here. This is not how I designed my life. This is not what I thought was gonna happen, and I didn't wanna be here.

To be honest, but I had my kids, so of course I wanted to do the work to figure out how to recover and, and get back on my feet and figure out my next iteration of my life. And so that was quite a journey. [00:10:00] I spent a lot of time in meditation. I had, a background in yoga and Buddhism. And so it was the one thing that I felt like I could hang onto and touch and that was there for me.

So I just spent a lot of time in deep meditative states trying to make sense of things and the best way that I knew how. And throughout that time, I ended up. Doing something rather remarkable. I ended [00:10:30] up healing myself of virtually everything that I was living with and found myself able to live without antidepressant medication, anti-anxiety medication.

I was sleeping through the night. I, I stopped grinding my teeth. Then to the shock of my doctors. I mean, I was scheduled for a hysterectomy. This was serious PCOS and endometriosis. I [00:11:00] healed myself of all of my cysts and we canceled surgery. So it was just this incredible moment where I realized I had done something remarkable.

And that I wanted to offer it to others. I was working as a yoga teacher at the time. I had a lot of private yoga clients, but there was something else going on here, so I decided to book a reading with Lee. I wanted an intuitive guidance reading to help me figure out what was going on and [00:11:30] how I could sort of bridge the gap between what I had stumbled upon and how it might help other women.

Chandler Stroud: Wow. That is incredible. I have so many questions for you, which I know we're gonna get into, but were you doing anything else or like, I, I just, it's so incredible to me that the meditation did all of that for you. You really attribute most of the healing to that. Were there other things you were dabbling in at the time?

I'm just curious. 

Olive: Oh my gosh, I love this question. I don't want it to seem like I was [00:12:00] magically meditating away everything. I think what was actually happening was the meditation did a tremendous amount and I would always start there, but it also allowed me to have stronger and stronger energetic ability to start to make different choices in my life.

So things like. A daily yoga practice, changing my diet, making sure I was super hydrated, being and living really cleanly, spending a lot of time outdoors. That all [00:12:30] happened as a consequence of this deep meditative practice looking into herbs, drinking a ton of nettle, tea. Really just like anything, I just wanted to bring in anything that I could to change where I was.

So it was a combination of things. The meditation was the foundation. I couldn't have done it if I didn't have that, that power that, that meditation really kind of helped infuse me with in those moments. 

Chandler Stroud: That's so [00:13:00] well articulated. Thank you for sharing that. That makes perfect sense to me. It really served as a catalyst for you and I think.

It's so cool to hear you speak about that because it just is sort of a red thread for me as I think to all of the Healing Heroine episodes we've done where like, this is why we talk about all the approaches on the show because it's gonna be different for everyone. But when you find that one thing that's authentic to you and.[00:13:30] 

It instigates all of these different decisions that you start to make because it wakes you up to something in whatever way that looks like, whether it's yoga or accountability or your meditation or breath work or whatever. It's such a powerful catalyst for growth and healing. When you find that thing and.

I think it's such a realistic way of looking at these approaches, right? Like nothing is a magic pill. All of these approaches support healing and [00:14:00] growth in different ways. But I love how you were able to articulate that. It sparked something in you that woke you up to your own power so that you could start taking charge of your circumstances.

I think that's so beautiful and cool. So thank you for sharing that. 

Olive: Thank you. I think Lee has said before, or I've heard her say before. It just takes little moments of light along the path, and then pretty soon you get enough moments of light that they accumulate that you can [00:14:30] actually have a big rapid change.

Chandler Stroud: So Olive, you mentioned that you sought Lee's guidance in the form of just an intuitive session, and I know you first encountered Lee years ago through a reading she did for a friend. What was it about her and her work that struck you so deeply? 

Olive: Hmm. Well, as we all know, Lee is incredibly gifted and in watching her read for my [00:15:00] friend, I was struck not only by how incredibly.

Her abilities are so incredible, but also it was the skill and the way that she worked with them. All lights went off for me because I realized that here was a woman that was working with her abilities in such a boundaried contained, clear way that clearly she had figured this out along the path, and I wanted to know how she did it.

So it [00:15:30] wasn't just that she was an amazing psychic because she is, but it was that she was working with so much integrity. I had not seen this before. You know, we all grew up analog, right? So I kind of grew up with my own experiences and my own abilities, and I had no context for them. And so up until these points and this reading with Lee that I was watching, I hadn't seen someone work in this way where they had their gift.

They were using it to [00:16:00] really help someone with skill. It blew my mind. I had to talk to her immediately. 

Chandler Stroud: So at that point, did you sense that you might have intuitive abilities or were you just on your healing journey, your friend got this reading and you were wowed by Lee and couldn't put your finger on it, but you just wanted to be with her, learn from her.

Like how, what was that experience like? 

Olive: I knew that I had a, a unique inner world and experience growing up. [00:16:30] So when I was young, I had what are known as out of body experiences. So I would astral project and I would leave. My consciousness would leave my body and I would travel around. I would do things like check on all of my family sleeping, leave, and take off somewhere and go travel and check out some other area.

Come back. I knew that these were real for myself. When you're a kid, your whole experience, your whole world is real, [00:17:00] right? Like you just assume everyone else is living like this. But you may not always have the words or the context. I knew these were real and actual for reasons like my. I would look at what my mom was wearing in the bed, and then I would wake up the next day.

I didn't see her go to bed in her pajamas, but we would wake up the next day, have cereal, and she was wearing what I saw her wearing in the bed, right? So there was no doubt for me that it was actual and happening. There just wasn't a way to talk about it. And so as I [00:17:30] grew up and I continued to have experiences like this, I would have knowings, I would, I would see things, I would feel things.

I began to understand that this was not the way that everyone lived, that this was not everyone's experience. I would be having coffee with a friend, you know, in my teenage years, and I would see light, you know, all around her. And I couldn't just say, Hey, there's this going on with you. I just did. There [00:18:00] was a lot, you know, there's a lot of pressure at that time, especially as a teenager to fit in.

So I just started to. Find myself somewhat isolated in the difference between my inner experience and what I could share outwardly. I 

Chandler Stroud: think that's really important context for the conversation we're gonna have with Lee because it sounds like if that had been your lived experience and then you watched Lee give your friend this reading, what was it that you were initially looking [00:18:30] for from Lee?

Because I get the sense you didn't get a reading with Lee until much later. It was actually something else that struck you about her at first. 

Olive: By the time that I saw my friend get the reading with Lee, I had done a very successful job of tamping down this perception of the world and my abilities.

Without a context, without a way to work with them and for some other reasons we can talk about in a moment. I just did not feel comfortable with that experience [00:19:00] and seeing Lee fully, this is the great thing about Lee. She needs no permission. She will just. Say what's going on for her and it will land and it always works out.

It's amazing. So seeing that in her, her full confidence and trust in herself and her skill, I wanted to talk to her because I wanted to know how she did it. Like how did you get here? Can you point me to any resources? And I hadn't been working with myself in this way at this point. I just [00:19:30] wanted to know everything.

I wanted to know everything about her. She had pointed me to two women that she had worked with, Janet Rafti and Ina Lucas, and that started me on this rabbit trail where I just started following all of these pings where I ended up in a place called the Monroe Institute, which is in Virginia. Mm-hmm.

Studying expanded consciousness, expanded states of awareness, and specifically how. To have out-of-body experiences with skill and boundaries. Ones that [00:20:00] I could facilitate and direct and return from. So it was this great reawakening of this part of myself that I had successfully up until this point, maybe denied.

Lea Morgan: She emailed me. I mean, occasionally I'll get an email from someone asking for a referral, and I don't remember the exact content of the email, but I remember that it was such that I felt like. I don't even know if I was doing mentorships at the time. I felt like it needed somebody a [00:20:30] little more experience than I was in more modalities than mine.

And I had studied under Janet RTIs when I started this work, and she has more experience in more avenues of, I guess SI ability. And so that's why I sent her there. But it was really in my world, I mean this is so interesting in Olive's world. Obviously this was a very important moment in my world. It was me just answering an email from a client.

Right. I didn't know [00:21:00] until later. 

Chandler Stroud: That's always how it happens. Yeah. You don't necessarily know the impact you're making. Mm-hmm. Or having on someone until much later, but clearly this was life-changing. That email that you responded to, Lee, that's very cool. Olive, you later booked intuitive readings with Lee during a major life transition.

I think, if I recall correctly, it was around the time of your divorce, you were a mother feeling unsure how to put all these pieces together. Given your interests and everything that you had [00:21:30] just gone through, what were you hoping to find or feel, and how did Lee help you during that first session? 

Olive: Oh my gosh.

This reading changed everything for me. It was incredible. I found myself healed of all of these incredible things that I had been living with, working with women one-on-one practicing yoga. One of my clients was a client of Lee's, and she had mentioned Lee's name. [00:22:00] And I, you know, followed the ping. I had a little, I have this little ping that goes off and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna, I need to book with Lee.

I, I feel like I have something more to offer. I love yoga. I've done yoga with my mom since I was a kid, but there's something going on underneath. And I had just done something pretty remarkable that I wanted to offer more of to women. 

Lea Morgan: I wanna point out one thing, 'cause I always want women to look for this.

Keep in mind on the timeline, olive had already seen me do a reading for her friend, and she had already emailed [00:22:30] me. And in a completely separate instance, a woman who had no idea about that mentioned me. Do you see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. So I want us all to pay 

Chandler Stroud: a attention to 

Lea Morgan: the 

Chandler Stroud: I do, or this is what we mean when we say your life is always speaking to you.

Spirit is always showing you the way if you're open to it and pay attention. Like olive, what? 

Lea Morgan: Yeah, so sorry Olive, but I wanna list 

Chandler Stroud: that out. What unfolded? 

Olive: I think No, that's a great thing to point out. 'cause it, you'll start to see how supported I was on this path. [00:23:00] So I booked in an intuitive guidance reading with Lee.

I didn't have anyone that had passed away recently that I knew of, that I wanted to talk to. I just already had so much respect for her and her skillset and her integrity that I just wanted to know what was gonna come through and what I was looking for when I booked the reading was information on my work.

I didn't say that when we started talking. I just said, I'm here. I'm totally open. I just wanna see what comes through. So I sit down for an [00:23:30] intuitive guidance reading and Lee tells me about the way she works and then she says there's a lot of female energy around you. There are two women here. One has very white hair and the other.

Seems like she's related to your family. I said, okay. She said, the one with white hair is clapping and she's so excited. And she [00:24:00] says, I'm so excited about your work. And I was like, okay, what's my work? 

Chandler Stroud: Awesome. I'm excited too. I don't know what it is, but like, tell me more. 

Olive: So I had two women show up. So this, this one with the white hair.

She starts asking me questions like, do you have a, a, a grandmother with white hair? And I said, no. Oh, I have this guide. I have this guide that has white, white hair. She said, that's it. She said, she seems [00:24:30] like she. Maybe hasn't spent a lot of time on Earth. She seems like she's a sage. Like I can barely follow what she's saying.

She's not really moving her mouth. She's just sitting there and kind of going as it is, and I was like, oh my, that is her right. Like, oh my gosh. You have to know that at this point, how normalizing and affirming this was for me. I had spent all of this time in my inner [00:25:00] world meeting with this woman not knowing why.

Not knowing who she was. And here Lee is telling me, yeah, you're meeting with this woman. I see her too. She's right here. She's so excited to talk about your work. Immediately. I just felt so normal. I felt so normal. And excited and was just on the edge of my seat about what she had to say. But first, my grandmother wanted to speak, [00:25:30] and this was really important because I grew up in a household that had some mental illness and it really affected me and my siblings.

It had a huge negative impact on our lives growing up, and I had always been afraid as an adult woman that the mental illness. That I had experienced from my family was what I was living with when I was having these inexperiences of out of body experiences and seeing things and my [00:26:00] intuitive abilities.

I was terrified that this was the same thing that I was actually mentally ill. To the point where I went and I got screened by three different doctors to make sure that I wasn't, because it had such a, an impact on my life. I mean, we had abuse and alcoholism and poverty, and it was just a really volatile upbringing.

So naturally I would be scared. I did not wanna go down that path. I. So to have this grandmother show up, the first thing [00:26:30] that she said is she wanted to acknowledge what I had been through and acknowledge the healing that I had done. And she said, I'm so proud of you for as the way how far you've come.

Lea Morgan: And it was such a gift to hear that I did not expect her to show up. I didn't have a big relationship with her, but here I am terrified, wanting to step into my work, wanting to step into my ability. 

Olive: And these two women, I mean, it was remarkable, [00:27:00] right? To have that permission and that acknowledgement of, I think she said, Lee said she can speak on behalf of what you've lived through because she's related to them.

She's just so proud of how far you've come. 

Chandler Stroud: It's so affirming to be seen in our pain, 

Lea Morgan: but that happens a lot. I just wanna say, I'm so honored to even be present for it, and I'm crying about this experience, but. I am in a lot of positions where the, the client I'm working with [00:27:30] hasn't been able to be seen, and I get those messages and that's almost like, I don't know if you noticed Olive said, but first my grandmother wanted to speak because Spirit is so wise in the order in which they deliver messages.

It's almost like, you know, putting together a table, it has to happen in a certain order, right? So. In order to be effective in this reading, the first thing Olive needed from Spirit was to be seen and recognized [00:28:00] and honored. But I didn't know that. I mean, how would I know that? I didn't know anything about her.

And yet they never fail. They never fail to get it like that. 

Olive: Yeah, it was really powerful to receive that message specifically from that side of the family that had the mental illness. 

Chandler Stroud: Thank you for sharing that, olive. It's really special. 

Olive: Thank you. I know it's not unique, but it was a big moment for me.

So then they also wanted to acknowledge, and this was also so incredibly healing and beautiful that, and I just listened [00:28:30] back to, I have all of this on video. It's pretty great. If you ever get a reading with Lee, record it. There are words that are gonna come through that aren't gonna make sense until much later, as you'll see 

Chandler Stroud: a thousand co-sign, a thousand percent.

Olive: So. Then they said, we wanna acknowledge your divorce and we wanna acknowledge that it was a healthy decision, which I felt, and I just loved hearing, right? 'cause I was still sort of lost and, [00:29:00] and not sure about what to do next. And then my guide wants to speak and it was quite intense. And I remember Lee saying I almost can't understand her because she So Lee will, yeah.

I don't wanna speak on your behalf, but what, what I've heard from Lee is she'll describe how she tunes into a particular radio frequency, and that is the radio frequency of maybe the deceased right. As a psychic medium. So this guide lived maybe a notch or two above that frequency. [00:29:30] And so it was a bit of an effort to translate what she was saying and you could see Lee kind of change her posture as she was trying to match the energy of this guide.

Right? So the first thing she says is she wants to talk about my work. And I did too. So I was all for it. And she said, it's time

Chandler Stroud: done. Done. It's 

Lea Morgan: like a real, real life wise one. Only, she's not alive, but you know what I mean. 

Olive: Yeah, [00:30:00] she is. She is super wise. And then she said it's been signed off on, which to me meant. We had some kind of a soul contract before birth and she assured me, she said, I will never break this contract. She said, where you are from and where I am now, contracts are never broken.

Lea Morgan: It's like a conversation with a deceased female version of Gandalf's. Quite an analogy, Lee. [00:30:30] 

Chandler Stroud: Always bringing the great metaphors and analogies on this show. That one may have just taken the cake. 

Olive: I know. I always say I feel like she was, she is this ancient, she feels ancient and not of the earth and very feminine.

Like this feels like woman's power rising up, Earth's power rising up. Like she's She's the matriarchy. Yes. Ooh. So she said, so I said, okay Lee, I don't know [00:31:00] what my work is. Can you tell me. And this is where it gets really interesting and why it's so important to record. Because the w what they started to describe and the way that I, where I ended up are the same thing.

But at the time I had no way of knowing this. So she says, you have a magic that can really help people if you are willing. I'm willing. Like, what are we doing? Tell me more. She said it's going to be [00:31:30] something. That's like a journey. She used the word journey several times. You're going to be journeying with women and I remember looking at Lee, so incredulously like 

Lea Morgan: that, the spiel time.

Olive: Thanks a lot. What is a journey? 

Chandler Stroud: I'm a tour guide. What are we talking about? 

Olive: I'm like, not plant medicine journey. Like I have no idea what they're talking about. Right, and I'm really like hoping for clarity. In this session, you're gonna be doing journeys where you're guiding your [00:32:00] clients and they're probably women through a lot like what you experienced with astral projection.

It's gonna feel a little bit like past life regression, but it's gonna have a lot of depth. I remember she used the word depth quite a few times. So she's describing this to me and it has no relevance to anything that I know in that moment. So I'm just kind of filing it away and saying, okay, okay. I have no idea what this is, [00:32:30] but I'm all in at this point, and so I'm gonna pay, I'm gonna take note and I'm gonna pay attention.

Lea Morgan: And keep in mind that I have no idea what I'm talking about. 

Chandler Stroud: Of course 

Lea Morgan: not. 

Chandler Stroud: I mean, this is sounds so wild. 

Lea Morgan: I have no idea. 

Chandler Stroud: Truly wild. She doesn't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. I'm like dying to hear this. Come full circle. So please, olive.

Olive: And so, you know, we talk about the logistics. Do I quit yoga? Do I keep going with yoga? How do [00:33:00] I get there? And she had all kinds of really practical information for me too. But one of the things that I really wanted to know, I said, I'm, I'm really scared. How can I do this work? How can I be the best version of myself?

Like how can I bring this work through in the best way? And also, I'm scared. I'm really scared. And my guide said, we will never let you go into those waters alone. I will always be with you. And I [00:33:30] had just read this quote just prior to getting on the call with Lee, and I believe it was Joseph Campbell and it said.

The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight. And I realized that I was gonna be going into a place in my work that I didn't have to be scared of, that I had a team, and that I was not going down the path of my family or anywhere near a mental illness, that this was a [00:34:00] protected space to go into.

Chandler Stroud: That's hitting so deeply for so many reasons right now, olive. But the way you tell the unfolding of that experience for you is so beautiful, and I am just so honored that you shared it with us, and I'm really grateful for you. Just being here and being so honest and open with it, because I think it's a [00:34:30] completely different way of looking at a lot of, not just your work, but this space, spirituality, what's really out there, right.

What we can do beyond what we even can imagine ourselves stepping into. Like that is some really powerful stuff. And I like you believe that none of that was chance occurrence, right? That was you being guided in a very specific way, and I just thank you for sharing that. When we first [00:35:00] chatted, I remember you said.

You shared a story about the moment that that conversation did come full circle for you. Can you talk about that? 

Olive: Oh yeah, absolutely. So somewhere along the next year, Lee and I started to become friends. And I remember the moment that Lee had to say, we can, we can become friends, but if we are friends, I can't be your psychic anymore.

And I was like kind of bummed because I didn't wanna lose my [00:35:30] psychic. She's really cool. I was 

Lea Morgan: like, 

Olive: so good. She helped me so far. I remember I went to my partner who, yeah. And I was like, I don't know what to do. Like I really wanna be friends with Lee. It was inevitable. And let me tell you, it's a good idea to have a, a psychic as a friend.

I was. 

Chandler Stroud: I bet it does. 

Lea Morgan: Well I was still at Olive. Olive actually. Because things come through all the time when, I don't [00:36:00] know, they're coming through in my regular life. They, they do, even if I'm not in a reading. But you don't really notice that unless you spend a lot of time with me. And I always laugh and I kind of love this.

I wanna preface it with, I love this, but everybody I grew up with, like all my old friends, they don't listen to me any more than they listen to anybody else. Which kind of cracks me up because they're not thinking of me as my job. They're thinking of me as, oh, Lee, whatever. She thinks it's a bad idea, who cares?

Or she thinks this is a good idea, whatever. But olive is totally the opposite. Olive's like, what'd you just [00:36:30] say? Tell me again. 

Chandler Stroud: I know I take Lee's word as like Bible. 

Lea Morgan: Yeah. 

Chandler Stroud: Yes, 

Lea Morgan: I get that. So 

Chandler Stroud: good. 

Olive: So then we're friends and somehow Lee offered to do a past life regression with me, and I had forgotten the words past life regression in our reading, and I hadn't revisited the recording.

Lea Morgan: We haven't talked about this yet. So I trained under Brian Weiss and his wife at the Omega Institute. So I am past life regression [00:37:00] certified. I wanna make that clear. I wasn't just going off. You know, the deep end with some sort of that is helpfully. And actually it's a good reminder. We 

Chandler Stroud: need to do an episode on that, just you and me so people can learn about that modality as well.

Lea Morgan: Since we were friends, I said, I can do this for you and, and I'll tell you why you were feeling really stuck. This is what I, I remember everything about being friends. I remember nothing about the readings, but. You were feeling very, feeling a lot of lack with resources, [00:37:30] future resources. Is that accurate?

Chandler Stroud: Mm-hmm. 

Lea Morgan: A lot of scarcity, fear. 

Olive: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think as we're building businesses. Comes through and this was my first experience being a mom of two on my own with a private practice and stepping into entrepreneurship and there were a lot of factors there. Yeah. And so you offered to do this past life regression reading and like everything you say, I was like, yes, let's do it.

Absolutely. So [00:38:00] Lee comes over and she sits down and above my sofa. I have this big blown up. Photograph of a Luna Moth on a light box that my partner made so beautiful, and she looks at it and she says, olive, the only time I've ever seen a Luna Moth was getting onto the subway. Is this right? It was 

Lea Morgan: actually on my back door when I left for the airport 

Olive: to go train at the Omega Institute for this very thing for [00:38:30] past life regression.

She said, I think that you should study this. I think that you're meant to be a hypnotherapist. So then she takes me through this past life regression and it completely clicked for me. This was like going on one of my own journeys and my own deep meditations, but having a guide that can focus and direct the attention to gain information that could be useful, right.

It was an amazing experience. [00:39:00] I ended up in a life where I was this really strong, amazing farmer in America looking out over my crops, and I just felt so abundant and capable and able, and I had this great wife and this house and these kids, and the whole thing was just like I was so proud of myself. I had really built something amazing, right?

It's such a gift to receive in that moment as well. So I [00:39:30] got to see the intelligence behind this process also, and I got outta that reading and I was like, this was unbelievable. Absolutely. Sign me up. I'm gonna learn everything I can about hypnotherapy. 

Lea Morgan: But people are always like. They, they, they don't hear about the journey to get to the destination, and I think it's so important.

So of course, because she had heard me say Brian Weiss, she was like, oh, well, where's his website? Where is he? I said, omega, there was nothing at Omega. I think we were out of season or something. And then nothing, no current activities on his website that [00:40:00] he offers for himself. And so. It wasn't, she couldn't just go where I had gone.

She had to follow the breadcrumbs. Right. So Brian Weiss was not showing up as available for you in any way. And then what'd you look up next? 

Olive: I looked up a couple of different other hypnotherapy modalities. There's it, it's on the rise. It's pretty incredible and there's a lot of people doing really good work.

But I was doing this research and nothing was really hitting home for me, and I realized it was because. I was looking at models where the [00:40:30] hypnotherapist was really guiding the experience, and I realized later when I found depth hypnosis that what I was looking for was a more client led experience. I had already been working with women and it was really important to me that the women that I worked with led the process of their own healing.

Followed their own intuition. And I hadn't found that yet until I found Dr. Issa Chardi in depth hypnosis. [00:41:00] And I went into the orientation meeting and I, first of all, I am so in love with Dr. Issa Chardi. You wanna look her up? And I joke all the time, like she is like a little Yoda. She is this little Buddhist powerhouse of humility and humor and, and wisdom.

I love her so much. I always say, I want a little Issa in my pocket. But she started to describe depth hypnosis, and she described it as a [00:41:30] journey that we guide, but that the client leads. And again, all lights went off. Big, full body. Yes. Tell me everything. I wanna know everything about this. And so I, I decided to start doing my own or receiving my own depth hypnosis sessions.

And, you know, by this time I had done a lot of healing. I had really done something remarkable in my [00:42:00] healing, but I was stuck mentally looping around and around about thoughts around my divorce, around my fears, around what am I gonna do? How is this all gonna work out? Thoughts and, and, and my relationship with my birth family.

And I did not know how to unstick even with everything that I had done. I did not know how to unlock that root of all of those thought loops. And then I started doing these. [00:42:30] Sessions with the depth hypnosis practitioner, Karen, she's amazing. And things started to change really quickly. It was so transformative and powerful and just effective that I knew that this was what I wanted to offer women.

It, it checked all of the boxes and it really allows the client, the woman to. Be the, the leader in her own process. 

Chandler Stroud: And I love [00:43:00] that your instructor also used the word journey. Going back to your reading 

Olive: depth, the word depth hypnosis that Lee had said a few times. 

Chandler Stroud: I mean, that's like the ultimate I'm in the right place.

Wow. Thank you Olive for sharing all of that. That's. Such a cool, and like Lee said, I don't think we get the play by play from like the reading to how the full circle unfolds. And I think it's so helpful to hear how it is a [00:43:30] combination between. Like your conscious mind and your intuition, like you'll get those downloads, but like you have to take action in looking up, where do I go find the answer to this?

Like, I keep feeling pulled toward this thing, but like, where can I go investigate more? Like, that's not gonna happen. It does take, you know, your own free will to make the most of these. You know, pieces of information that we're getting all day. [00:44:00] So thank you for sharing that. Lee, I have to ask you, having heard all of this, and I know you kind of jumped in here and there, but like what stood out to you the most about Olive's transformation and evolution in this space?

Lea Morgan: How fast it was. I mean, which I will say. She didn't feel like it was fast, I don't think. I mean, the words I heard from her were, win, win, win. You know? 

Chandler Stroud: Wow. 

Lea Morgan: How, how Win, win, win. As an outside [00:44:30] observer, we all experienced time differently with different thoughts. In my own life, it looked fast, which I love for her, and I think 

Chandler Stroud: I know.

Congratulations, that's a big one. 

Lea Morgan: Now, now, I mean, I believe when you look at it, you realize maybe it was fast. 

Olive: Yeah, I think having this episode and going back and listening to the recordings and seeing how much we've done since then really gave me that perspective. So this, this episode has been a gift in that.

Thank you. 

Lea Morgan: Yeah, it's just fast and [00:45:00] you know, I obviously, I don't become friends with all my clients. In fact, I don't know that it's ever happened before, which is another interesting layer to this story in that since then, in a million reasons we don't need to get into now, it's pretty evident to me that the universe was trying to get the two of us together for many other reasons.

Other than just this story we're talking about today. So, you know, it's just kind of a, to me it's just a great [00:45:30] example of keep doing the next right thing that your intuition says to do. And as we always say, the universe is working for you, but you're absolutely right. It takes, you know, I always say it's a, a beautiful combination of footwork and faith and, and it's easy to.

Just rely on faith or just rely on footwork. It's when they're in balance that the magic really happens. 

Chandler Stroud: Yeah. Good reminder, Lee. Thanks for that, Lee. I'm just curious, how do you approach guiding [00:46:00] someone who is deeply intuitive but also unsure of, or fearful of what that might mean? 

Lea Morgan: It's a good question.

So I encounter this kind of at two different levels in my work. So the first level would be a, an intuitive guidance reading. And in that sense, I don't have to do anything. I think that's important to remember. They're seeing me on the screen, but everything I'm getting to say, or everyone that I'm getting to bring forward is orchestrated by individuals in spirit.

So I need not worry [00:46:30] about how that goes or what's said because it's. Created in a way that I could never create it perfectly. But when I, when I do have mentees, which I do, I, you know, it kind of reminds me of what Olive likes of her about her journey into depth hypnosis is that I just allow it to be really mentee led.

I don't want anyone to go where they're not ready to go. A lot of it will happen organically just from seeing me be such a nut. [00:47:00] People see me be, you know, if I'm so willing to say things or so willing to try things or we're doing fun exercises together. Seeing me be really carefree is more than probably half the message right?

And then the second half of the message is, you're safe with me. We're never gonna do anything. Or talk about anything or endeavor, anything you don't wanna do. You, you know, I think a a through line between olive's work and my work is you are sovereign over yourself. And that is the number one thing. And the whole point of [00:47:30] encouraging people to tap into spirit or intuition, or whatever you wanna call it, is to make them more sovereign and more aware of how sovereign they are.

So really. I, I hope that answers your question, but it is definitely not something I would ever do is encourage someone past their comfort. I'll sit with them where they're comfortable. Sometimes that's just the thing that moves the needle. The fact that they're actually encountering somebody in the world who's like, okay, right here is great.[00:48:00] 

You know, when you meet no resistance, then suddenly you get a little braver, like, oh, well we could talk about that if you want to. 

Chandler Stroud: Yeah, no, I do. What's a single truth about intuition or spiritual guidance that you do? Wish more people understood, especially those who might. Be experiencing something different and feeling afraid of it.

Lea Morgan: The first thing is I really, I do not say something that I don't think is true, and so I, I promise that [00:48:30] the universe is working for you. So any guide you have, any deceased love when you have that wants to reach out with guidance is like your biggest cheerleader. And I know that's a faith-based operation, but I, I can attest to it, you know, thousands of clients over.

The second thing that I think is a more practical and interesting observation about humans, including myself, 'cause I'm human is, and this happened in Olive's reading and luckily she just [00:49:00] allowed herself to sit with it. But I don't think that humans realize how narrowly we define things based on our current.

Lived life. So quite often the messaging we get, if it doesn't match our current lived life or it doesn't match our current area of knowledge, it can seem, I don't know, not important or not real, or we don't know what to do with it. I mean, it depends on the personality, right? Some people like Olive let it sit.

I have some clients, and this is fair, that will just reject it. [00:49:30] Like if it doesn't fit with their current. Set of the world, they'll just reject it. And quite often till later, find out it was true. And they, they're allowed to do what they want in the moment. You know, I want them to be human. And then others who will just be confused, like, how can that be true?

How can that be true? You know, it can be as simple as like spirit sayings. 'cause you gotta remember spirit uses words in their grandest meaning. So spirit could say something to me to tell someone like, you're really meant to be a teacher. And the person will hear. [00:50:00] You, you have to teach grade school when that is not what the individual in spirit said.

What they meant on the grandest scale is you are meant to possess knowledge and share knowledge. So a lot of times I'm kind of reframing, let's back up 30,000 feet. What does teaching mean really? What is the definition of it, and then how would that apply? Are you someone that loves knowledge? Do you love to share knowledge?

How are you drawn to sharing [00:50:30] knowledge? So sometimes I do as a human, I do help navigate kind of the seeming obtuse nature of the guidance. But then a lot of times, like with olives reading, I told her everything I could get my grubby. Hands-on as far as what they were giving me. And that did not mean I understood it any more than her.

So sometimes. So all of that to say, let it sit. You don't have to sign off on it immediately, but let it sit and see if things happen later. That makes sense. You know, I had a couple of psychics, 10 to [00:51:00] 12 years before I started doing this work, tell me that I was gonna do this work. Have I mentioned that before?

Chandler Stroud: Yes, you have. 

Lea Morgan: And it made no sense to me. I mean, I would walk in and they'd be like, there's a line of dead people behind you waiting for you to stop, start talking. And I'd be like, I work in advertising. I'm just here to find out. Like I don't know what, what, where to move or what job to get. And, and these psychics didn't know each other.

Right. They [00:51:30] randomly years apart and random different ones and I would just be like, okay, well tell 'em I stay in line. I don't know what they're doing, but alright. I mean, 

Chandler Stroud: oh my gosh, I can't imagine what a reading plural readings. I 

Lea Morgan: know 

Olive: one of the things I think that's so great Lee, is when you, when you describe how Spirit is very aware of our risk tolerance, right?

That's 

Lea Morgan: good call. 

Olive: I remember when I. I came to depth hypnosis. [00:52:00] There were two things that made me feel really good about taking that step, and it was that it was so research backed and data backed that felt grounding and like, okay, I can do this. That I had a way to work with people that they didn't have to subscribe to what was happening for me in the background.

That, that, that could only inform my ability to, to guide them through their journey. But it wasn't something I ever had to talk about or present. Now everybody's gonna know 'cause we're on the Healing Heroes and I'm talking about my story. But yeah, love it that [00:52:30] those two things. That was an awareness of my risk factor.

This work allowing me to step in and do, 

Lea Morgan: yeah, individuals and spirit. I don't, I don't know how to tell you. Every message I get is catered exactly to the person I'm delivering it to. Their belief system, their risk aversion or risk tolerance, their mood, their knowledge, their it's, it's unbelievable. 

Chandler Stroud: To close us out.

Olive, for listeners who feel a quiet pull [00:53:00] towards something that they don't fully understand yet, what would you say to them? 

Olive: I wanna give something really practical here. I wanna say, to the best of your ability, make a little bit of time and space every single day to get quiet, to relax your body and to tune into your heart.

And I mean that literally to breathe in and out from your heart space and just listen. That may be over a cup of coffee when you have one breath to take, [00:53:30] but hopefully it could be maybe five minutes, maybe 10, maybe more. The more space that you make for that. Still small voice. The more it's gonna guide you and it's not gonna lead you astray.

Chandler Stroud: Beautifully said. Quick follow. 'cause I have to ask, I'm a practical person and I'm gonna try this. Do I have to be sitting up? Do I have to lie down? Is there a right or a wrong way? Can I hunch? I mean, tell me 

Olive: all things. So yeah, let's do it for a second. Just go ahead and find your seat under you. You could be standing.

Just find [00:54:00] your feet on the ground or the seat under you, and relax your shoulders. Soften your jaw. Relax your tongue on the floor of your mouth, big empty space behind your eyes, and just become aware of your heart. And just take one conscious breath in through the heart and out through the heart, [00:54:30] soft in the body.

Relax the eyes. And just breathe this way, and that's all. It's very simple. It's not easy. 

Chandler Stroud: I mean 

Olive: that it gives you a moment 

Chandler Stroud: to might your voice, it's much easier. Right. It's so soothing. Isn't 

Lea Morgan: it obvious now? 

Chandler Stroud: She was 

Lea Morgan: meant to do that. 

Chandler Stroud: I, yeah. Olive, I mean, that was, I was like, okay, [00:55:00] 10 minutes, I'm gonna be out cold.

This is so good. Because I think that's the hard part, right? Is like, how do I know I'm doing it right? Like, am I hearing my heart? Am I really relaxed or outta my mind? Like I think it takes a lot longer sometimes to like, I think it changes by day, right? But sometimes it can be so hard to just like have the confidence that this is enough.

What I'm doing is enough. Right. In so many ways. Absolutely. But it sounds like you're just encouraging the [00:55:30] attempt, you know, try and keep doing it and it gets just show up better and better. 

Olive: Just show up for that moment. And if you do that every day and get quiet and just make a little bit of space, what's meant for you isn't gonna pass you by.

It's only gonna get louder. You're just tuning in and listening, just giving yourself the gift of that moment. And it can be one breath if that's all you got for the day, but do it every day and you'll find that you're gonna wanna take a little bit more time there. It feels really good. [00:56:00] 

Chandler Stroud: Thank you for that.

That is my, I don't wanna call it a New Year's resolution, but it is like my singular focused goal. For the next several months is to do more of that sitting, quiet, listening, because I've always done guided meditations. I have like a haptic sound mat now where I like, like meditate, lying. Thank you Sarah.

Another one of 

Lea Morgan: Lee's clients convinced me to buy this thing and I'm obsessed with it. Like obsessed. 

Olive: [00:56:30] Yeah. 

Chandler Stroud: But like I think there's a lot of value in just sitting in silence. And being with yourself. And I think I underestimated the power of that, and I think I've been afraid to do more of it because I do feel like I'm doing it wrong.

But to your point, I'm just gonna keep showing up and we'll see where it takes me because I really wanna try. 

Olive: I love it. I wish you the best on all of that. 

Chandler Stroud: Thank you. And separately, I'll be booking a session with you in the next several [00:57:00] weeks to experience depth hypnotherapy, so thank you for that depth.

Olive: Absolutely. I'm looking forward to that. Absolutely. 

Chandler Stroud: Lee Olive, this was so much fun. Thank you for being here today, olive, you in particular, I just wanna acknowledge again, your authenticity, your honesty, your ability to show up vulnerably and tell your story so that other listeners can feel less alone and understand that there are so many [00:57:30] ways to find healing and hope on the other side of these incredibly difficult experiences that we go through as humans.

So thank you for being here. And having this conversation today, and as always, you as well, Lee. Thank you. 

Olive: Thank you. Thank you Chandler, 

Chandler Stroud: and to our listeners, thank you for tuning in. If this episode resonated with you, please share it with someone who might need permission to trust themselves a little more.

You can also visit healing heroes podcast.com [00:58:00] to meet our heroes and submit your ideas for future guests and episodes. Thanks for listening, everyone, and until next time, remember, be curious. Be courageous and be kind to yourself. You've got this.