Insights from the Couch - Real Talk for Women at Midlife

Ep. 100: Midlife Activated: Celebrating 100 Episodes

• Colette Fehr, Laura Bowman • Season 8 • Episode 100

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We can hardly believe we’re celebrating 100 episodes of Insights from the Couch — and this conversation became such a meaningful reflection on everything we’ve learned alongside all of you. In this episode, we revisit some of our favorite guests, biggest mindset shifts, and the ideas that have most deeply impacted us as therapists, women, mothers, and humans navigating midlife in real time.

From Katherine Woodward Thomas’s powerful work on “source fracture stories” to conversations around menopause, reinvention, purpose, parenting adult children, and stepping into your next chapter, this episode is about what it really means to stay engaged with your life. We talk honestly about grief, growth, fear, ambition, creativity, and why midlife may actually be the richest, most transformative season yet. If you’ve been feeling stuck, restless, uncertain, or quietly craving more, this conversation is for you.

Episode Highlights

[0:00] - Celebrating 100 episodes and reflecting on the journey that brought us here

[1:20] - Remembering Katherine Woodward Thomas and the impact of her work on transformation

[3:25] - “Source fracture stories” and how self-limiting beliefs quietly shape our lives

[5:40] - How we unknowingly recreate the very fears and narratives we carry

[8:40] - Colette opens up about social anxiety, public speaking, and setting “impossible” goals

[10:20] - Incremental growth vs. radical expansion: how women hold themselves back from bigger possibilities

[11:45] - Favorite guests and conversations that shifted our perspectives on relationships, narcissism, menopause, and midlife health

[14:00] - Why simpler living, less clutter, and more intentionality feel increasingly important

[16:35] - Estate sales, accumulation, and the emotional weight of “stuff”

[19:05] - Reinvention, beginning again, and why midlife can become a creative renaissance

[20:30] - Why these years can either become fertile ground for growth or a season of feeling emotionally stuck

[22:15] - Processing the grief and identity shifts that come with children growing up and leaving home

[24:20] - Why women deserve fully vibrant emotional, creative, and purposeful lives

[26:35] - Parenting adult children and learning from the freedom and courage of their 20s

[28:00] - How source fracture stories and self-limiting beliefs quietly block purpose and fulfillment

[29:10] - Why becoming an “activated adult” is one of the greatest gifts we can give our children

[30:20] - What it means to stay actively engaged with your life in midlife and beyond

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Laura Bowman:

welcome to insights from the couch, where real conversations meet real life at midlife, we're Colette and Laura, two therapists and best friends, walking through the journey right alongside you, whether you're feeling stuck, restless or just unsure of what's next. This is a space for honest conversations, messy truths and meaningful change. And our midlife master class is now open. If you're looking to level up, get into action and make midlife the best season yet. Go to insights from the couch.org and join our wait list. Now, let's dive in. All right, it's a big day today. 100 episodes. How did we get here? I don't

Colette Fehr:

know. I feel like crawling on my hands and knees, digging my fingers into the soil, grasping for each next step, muddied and battered.

Laura Bowman:

Right?

Colette Fehr:

That's how I feel. But I mean, that's really more the book, the podcast has been amazing in every way. I'm so excited to be at this point together,

Laura Bowman:

Yeah, same and I just am. So I've always been reflecting on all the people we've gotten to talk to, like, what a cool resource that's been just to hear from other women and other professionals and

Colette Fehr:

authors, therapists, other professions. What are some of your favorites or things that you got the most from in terms of who we've had on the show or what we've talked about?

Laura Bowman:

I mean, the one that's jumping off the page to me is Katherine Woodward Thomas, who actually just passed away, and sadly, but her work really hit me upside the head. I thought it was I think it's beautiful. I think her theory is beautiful.

Colette Fehr:

I agree. Can we just say something about that for a minute? Because I feel like, first of all, it's so sad to me that she passed away. I had this unexpected connection with her and that we share an editor, I mean, an agent for our books. And of course, she's been writing books forever. She's very, very well known and well respected. She first became famous because she wrote the book conscious uncoupling and Gwyneth Paltrow, notoriously co opted that term when she was parting ways with Chris Martin, and it became, and remember, on the podcast, she told us, when that happened, it changed her whole life.

Laura Bowman:

Yeah,

Colette Fehr:

she went from overnight, you know, just being a regular therapist like us, and was launched into the stratosphere. But her work's amazing, and I want to recommend her book to you guys again, even though you might have heard her episode. What's true about you? I've been using a lot of her stuff in my coaching work, and I know you do too,

Laura Bowman:

yeah,

Colette Fehr:

you know. And for our women's groups, like, it's so aligned with the work we were already doing, but it really has given a lot of shape to the idea that even though you may have wounds and therapy is certainly very valuable for a lot of different things. Obviously, we're both therapists for healing and understanding, and it doesn't really necessarily and often create transformation. And so this book is about really stepping into your new identity and changing, yeah. And

Laura Bowman:

one of the ideas in that book that, like, really hit me over the head. Of course, she has the whole idea of, like, the source fracture story, like where you've gotten stuck, or where your original woundedness is. And she's not, like, discounting that at all. But then she challenges you to say, like, how have you become the source of that story, the where we like, just keep recreating it and re and seeing it everywhere and selecting for it?

Colette Fehr:

Yeah. How are you continuing to help the story thrive by your actions? So let's give an example of that. Do you have one from your own life? Because I think for a lot of people, you know, self limiting beliefs is another way to think of it, but I like source fracture, because it's this narrative that seeps in early and you just see it as the truth. And so you end up living your whole life somewhat unconsciously replicating the truth of this thing that is just a mental construct and is totally holding you back. So give one from your life.

Laura Bowman:

Well, for my life, I guess I love the I have. The one that she uses is actually one I can completely relate to. Which

Colette Fehr:

one is

Laura Bowman:

the one she's the one about how she was so devastated that her church did not host a book event for her

Colette Fehr:

yes,

Laura Bowman:

and she, like, put it in her proposal, and she thought it was like a foregone conclusion that they were going to invite her to do a book event, and they never did. And she was, like, so aggrieved by it, and she had, like, this whole narrative about like they didn't like her. And. They were not run well. And what a like. She just was getting so stuck in it, and when she finally shifted towards like, have I, like, done anything to show up for this church? And she realized, like, she never participated in anything. She went early. I mean, she went late, she left early, she never made eye contact. She didn't, she didn't like, you know, volunteer for any of the committees. And she was like, oh, like, they don't like, they don't know me. They're not, like, invested in me. I've done that, I've done that thing, and then made it be like, Oh, well, like they, I don't think they like me very much. It's like, Do they even know you, right?

Colette Fehr:

But what was the story? What was the source fracture story? What was the I'm

Laura Bowman:

not wanted, I'm not wanted, I I'm not chosen.

Colette Fehr:

So the idea is that your source fracture story, you the way you see yourself, can end up making you act in ways, as if the story is true that actually create the outcome. It's the same thing with couples that I talk about all the time in my book and in my work, right? Like you, you think your partner sees you a certain way, and then you act as if

Laura Bowman:

you're

Colette Fehr:

defensive because you think you're never good enough in their eyes. And then you get the very responses, or you fear someone will leave you, and so then you are suspicious and questioning them and controlling them, and then they eventually leave because of your behavior, not because the thing was true in the first place. And that's what she talks about in the book, yeah.

Laura Bowman:

And you get what you focus on, and the more you select for it, you see it everywhere, and you're missing the holistic truth of the thing. But I think her work is has really hit me and has impacted me, and it's shown me a way that therapy can be different and more of a transformative experience. She really encourages you to like, challenge yourself, to level up for an impulse, impossible goal, to want something. And that the wanting of something is the thing that pulls you forward and calls you to your best self and to level up. And I think we, we all need that thing that orients us into forward motion.

Colette Fehr:

Yeah, and she's very powerful, so I'd been doing some coaching with her, which is, I think, another reason why I was so affected by her passing. I mean, I had just seen her a couple of days before she died, and I knew that she was sick with ovarian cancer. I did not think that the end was imminent, and she's just such a lovely, powerful spirit, but when I was part of the work is creating intentions for yourself, and it's based on the work of a couple of other psychologists who wrote this article called The possible self, and she threads this throughout the book. Right? Who could you be? What life could you be if you believed in yourself and also that we're not going to be anything that we don't imagine and set an intention for. So you don't have to be 100% sold. But if you don't start telling your mind, hey, it's not that I'm not wanted, right? It's that if somebody doesn't want me, that doesn't mean I'm not lovable and good enough, and that that's that person's choice, and, frankly, their loss. It's just a new way to see it and let me engage with people and give them the chance to know me before I assume that they don't want me or to connect with me. So one of the things that was so powerful for me is that, you know, I'm thinking about really not. I don't even want to say it like that. Let me correct myself. I am stepping into a role as a professional speaker.

Laura Bowman:

Yay,

Colette Fehr:

yeah. But as I said, there's a lot of ambivalence, because I suffer from really terrible social anxiety when it comes to public speaking, public speaking fear, which is so common and just such a survival based reaction to standing up in front of the herd for judgment and at the same time, I really love it, but it puts my body through a lot of really taxing stress. So it's also scary. It feels like I've reinvented myself again and again and again and again and now there's more. It's like no rest for the weary. Weary. Yeah. So on the call with her, I was like, you know, I think I might do some professional speaking. And she was like, No, your intention needs to be and she said these words, by 2028 I will have at minimum six speaking gigs on global stages with at least 1000 attendees and speaker fees of $40,000 and I was like, Catherine. I was like, I went like, this last Yeah, but, and she goes, good, your reaction. And this is why I want you guys listening to hear this, because I never would have shot that high. And when she said it, I was. I my reaction was cringe and fear. And she was like, good. It should feel scary. It should feel a little impossible. Your reaction is what we want when we're setting these intentions, not like I was like, I'll book one paid gig this year. She was like, No, Colette,

Laura Bowman:

it's so funny because I'm like, I'm like, thinking of, you know, business stuff. And the same thing is true. I'm reading this book called The Science of scaling that a client actually recommended. And it's so interesting. Like, one of the parts of the book, the thesis is that this, like, incremental growth, which I'm a pretty big fan of. It's like, worked for me in some ways.

Colette Fehr:

Well, I agree with that. There's like, space for incremental growth. Yeah,

Laura Bowman:

we recommend that constantly. We recommend that constantly

Colette Fehr:

stretch a little

Laura Bowman:

stretch a little, keep building. And I think there's always a role for that. I don't want to discount it, but this book is like, you know what? What if you shortened your timeline and you had to get from where you wanted to go in, like, a year, and you had to now, like, pick, like, really different pathways, because now you only have a year and you got it like, you got to go, and it's interesting. It's like, when you feel a big goal like that, it's like, I'll just do a little and, you know, I think people get stuck in, like, not accessing the pathways for growth that they could access because, you know, it's like, they can't step into that future possible self of like, I'm gonna have six paid gigs.

Colette Fehr:

Yeah,

Laura Bowman:

of course, you are collab,

Colette Fehr:

yeah.

Laura Bowman:

She was powerful. She like, really landed for me. Is there anybody for you that we've had on that? Like, really,

Colette Fehr:

well, there have been so many great episodes. I mean, Dr nay, who is the real life Margo Robbie from The Wolf of Wall Street. She was married to Jordan Belfort. She just was so interesting. And she does incredible work in South Florida with women who are dealing with narcissistic abuse. You know, I loved having Janie Lacey on talking about that and love addiction. Marnie, who I already mentioned, Marnie foyerman, you know, talking about her book and these toxic dynamics, and even giving space to the thought of being the other woman in a dynamic, you know, something that's so taboo and hard to talk about, but many people have been we had Vonda Wright on for that great episode about that.

Laura Bowman:

Casperson.

Colette Fehr:

Yes, the episode with Kelly, Dr Kelly, Casperson really changed the way I approach my health that I'm right in the heart somewhere of menopause, and it really empowered me to go change doctors, ask questions, push for hormones, do research and realize that so much of what I thought was wrong.

Laura Bowman:

Yeah, no, no. She absolutely reshaped my perspective on all of that. I mean, over the last two years with our, like, sort of foray into the perimenopause menopause space and going to the menopause conferences. I mean, I think this is on the forefront of the culture right now anyway, and I maybe I'd be like, leaning into this, but it's really reshaped my idea of what's possible in midlife and how to take care of your health.

Colette Fehr:

Me too.

Laura Bowman:

I feel really grateful to be pushed to learn more about that.

Colette Fehr:

What else stands out to you from our episodes? There's so many good ones. I mean, of course, one of my favorites is one with the one we talked about the true crime cases.

Laura Bowman:

I know that was great. I've been, I love, I loved Kate Flanders, yeah, I loved her. She's just, you know, she was the woman who, like, did the year of less. And, I mean, she lives a really different life. She's lives abroad, and kind of has a really life of her own creation. And she's just such a kind I

Colette Fehr:

think there's something to

Laura Bowman:

there, yeah,

Colette Fehr:

and I think, I mean, obviously there's something to that. But, I mean, I wonder if, as a society, a lot of people, some people already are, but are going to start moving in that direction. And I've thought about this, you start to feel like being in business. You have to be on all these platforms and pushing and pushing and pushing, and I don't really enjoy that part of it. I definitely want to have an impact and be able to help people and do things I love, that I'm good at, that help people like that's the goal right for life, for a purposeful career path and life, but the return to the analog, you know, just have a phone in a drawer and living life outside where you go for long, like in Italy, they call them like passaggiata, like taking a walk every night and talking to people. Bull IRL, like, I know, I wonder if we're gonna

Laura Bowman:

and as, yeah, like, I mean, I'm even thinking about my relationship to stuff. Like, I've, you know, I'm getting ready to move, and I've, like, packed most of my house into boxes, and I have to tell you, I can't remember what's in them. And, like, I realized, like, I do not need, like, a 10th of the things that I think I need. And just to, like, rethink, like, what a meaningful, valuable life looks like as we age, and I don't want to be the person who's leaving a hoard to my children,

Colette Fehr:

oh, I guarantee I'm the queen of the purge. My kids, when I die, will have my home cleaned out in like 10 minutes. Like I My goal is to

Laura Bowman:

get

Colette Fehr:

Yes, yes, but I want to I feel the same as you and I'm big on being clutter free. It's actually an anxiety thing for me, like not even just anxiety, I feel good and think best and feel comforted by a clean, esthetically pleasing space. Like clutter isn't good for my mentality, and there's truth to that, really, for all people, clutter is not a great thing. So I want to do another like massive purge and let go of some old stuff, even that I hold on to for sentimentality. Not that you can't keep anything, but you know, the boots from six years ago that I haven't put on once. Why do I have them?

Laura Bowman:

Right? I like, I think we should do a whole episode about this. Because, you know what, one of the things that I've started following out of just like, total voyeuristic interest, is like estate sales, like, there's this, have you seen like the posh peacock they do, like they do estate sales all over, like, Winter Park in Orlando and and so it's like these people who are, like, ready to move to like the Mayflower, or maybe like, they've passed away or whatever, and people go through their homes and buy their things, and it's like these time capsules of, like, the 80s and 90s, probably things your mother owned and my mother owned. And I just get like, so it's so like sad to me, like the accumulation. And I just, I think one of the things women can get so sidetracked into is accumulation as a way of building the life worth living. And it's really, like, such a false flag, yeah, and it like, makes me sad. It makes me real. I don't know it like really makes me sad.

Colette Fehr:

I can see that. No, I agree. And also, I mean, I had an estate sale for my house when I moved, right before I met Steve, like 15 years ago, or whatever that was, where I just sold everything, all the furniture I had, that I had had in my first marriage that I moved into my house when I got divorced. I mean, it was really nice, classic, beautiful stuff, old timey, kind of classic furniture that, in a way, I hated to part with all my kids, American Girl dolls, I mean, everything. I basically left the house. And I said, just sell everything I own, and I rented an apartment at Lake Lily, which is this area in the Winter Park area that's like on a lake. And at the time, it was a little newer, and I love it over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, that was, like, an exciting shift for me. And I just went and furnished my tiny apartment from IKEA. It looked great, actually, and I just completely shed everything I owned. And because I'm such a shedder, occasionally, I'll miss something. Occasionally, once in a blue moon, I'll be like, Oh, I should have kept that. But so rarely, and even that's fleeting, I think there's something to that. Let's do that. I also want to do this.

Laura Bowman:

Yes, oh, I'm I like, have that one in my office right now.

Colette Fehr:

Yeah. So the new issue of Psychology Today, you can see I was reading it at the pool with Curran. So it's got, like, you know, tanning oil, sunblock, not tanning oil. Been a long time since I've

Laura Bowman:

been 50.

Colette Fehr:

Sun block because I'm that age, but it's begin again, how to start over and work life and love. So obviously, we talk about this all the time. Our coaching program, that our next group is going to start this fall, is all about this reinvention, beginning again, living your best life, wherever you are. There's more. But I want to do an episode really focused on this. Have you read the article yet?

Laura Bowman:

I have. I want you know what? I've skimmed it. I'm gonna go and, like, really read it. Yeah,

Colette Fehr:

I want to reread it. I want to reread it. So I think that's really. And we were talking about, and let's just touch on this briefly, that, first of all, I'm 52 and I saw this post the other day. It's probably BS, because everything on the internet is like fake news anyway at this point, but it said, peak satisfaction in life hits at 52 and I was like, oh shit. Like, I don't know if I want this to be the best it gets, but, but

Laura Bowman:

because isn't there an article where it's like, your worst year is like 47 to 48 it's interesting how you can go from like such a low to such a high. I

Colette Fehr:

also think you can say just about anything so

Laura Bowman:

but

Colette Fehr:

it reminds me of what you and I were chatting about over our glass of wine the other day, which is just, just even for us, which is the idea that, and what we see with our clients, that midlife is, on one hand, really, really hard. You have a lot pulling on you, but at the same time, it's incredibly fertile ground for this to be the richest season. And maybe that doesn't look like a career pivot for you. Maybe it looks like relationship changes or self development, new hobbies, like a side gig, a new pursuit, writing a book. I mean, there's so many iterate, running a marathon. What like you're doing? There's so many ways. But if we're not intentional about these years they're gonna they're going really, really fast.

Laura Bowman:

I hate the ways. Or they get circular, or, like, women can get women's movements can get really circular and repetitive. And we delay

Colette Fehr:

stuck.

Laura Bowman:

We get stuck. And so it's like, yeah, it's like, Don't waste this time. Like, the years from, like, the late 40s through the 70s are just creative opportunities, if you can, if you can tap into it,

Colette Fehr:

and a real Renaissance for women, because we can step out of, I mean, those of us who have lived Under the male gaze in heterosexual relationships finally, really reclaiming your voice, standing up for yourself, thinking about what you want, not just care taking others, but also thinking about your own needs. For some people, it's the first time ever to do that, and some people aren't doing that yet. And we want to encourage you to start

Laura Bowman:

there's like, real sadness there. You know, it's just like, I even just posted about this, like, I'm done with pickups and drop offs. Like we didn't do, like, a car for our senior, we will when he goes to college, but like, I have done a drop off or a pickup for 22 years Colette, and that, like, is coming to an end next week. And that's like, I mean, obviously I'm like, Oh, great. Like, I don't ever have to, like, think about my morning or my I can stay and work later. There's all kinds of things that, like, are going to be good about that. But there's also like, Oh, my God, like

Colette Fehr:

that,

Laura Bowman:

that chapter is, is over.

Colette Fehr:

I know I felt a lot of grief about that too. I mean on the one hand, there were certain years where I felt like I spent three plus hours a day in the car just shuttling kids school and to friends and activities and but that becomes what you organize your life around. And it also for many years during the parenting process, middle school, teenage years, that can be the only quality time sometimes you really have with your kid, where they're captive and can theoretically engage, you know, to varying degrees of success. So I felt a lot of grief when that was over too. It's a big transition, and so many women their lives really are organized around their children,

Laura Bowman:

yeah, yeah. And so it's yeah, this can leave a hole, a hole, so there's a grief that has to be processed through before maybe you shift into, like, the creative opportunity, or maybe those things happen together, but

Colette Fehr:

yeah, I think they happen together, but I think they're both important, because the grief is there and it's important, it's appropriate, right? You, your kids are like our kids are everything to us, and yet it is an opportunity and developmentally appropriate for kids to launch and for parents to reclaim their time, and now what are we going to do with it,

Laura Bowman:

which is like where we're headed with this podcast, right?

Colette Fehr:

Yes,

Laura Bowman:

this is where we're headed. Like we're clearer than ever that women's emotional lives and creative lives and need to, like, deserve to come into like, full vibrancy,

Colette Fehr:

and that's what this podcast has been for us. Yeah. I mean, we're on our own individual journeys, but together, as women who have been friends for many years, this is something we wanted to do, to step into a new role and to take this to. Time, even though your kids have still been around in these last years, they're a lot older, they're independent.

Laura Bowman:

You

Colette Fehr:

know, mine have been gone now for so long. It's crazy. And one's on the other side of the world

Laura Bowman:

that's crazy to

Colette Fehr:

me. It's crazy to me too. And I actually just wrote about it on my sub stack. I really feel that distance in my body. I can feel it viscerally. Yeah, as a mom, it feels, you know, I don't, my parents are so great, but I swear to God, I don't think they, they were that attached to me in that same way. I really don't. And maybe this is just how we've changed parenting. In some ways, that's good. In some ways, maybe is a little over involved. But the fact that I can't reach her in an emergency, I can't get in a car and drive there, I can't even hop on a plane. I mean, it's 12 hours of flying, multi flight journey. It just at the same time, she was just home, and I was thinking, it's okay to be sad, a little sad that she's far away, but I'm so it's every mother's dream that their child is activated in her own life and thriving. She loves it there. She's built a life for herself. She has a great job, she has a great boyfriend, like she's really doing her thing, and misses me in an appropriate way, but it isn't my her life isn't wrapped up in anything, but what she wants to do with it, and that's really exciting, too. As a parent,

Laura Bowman:

this is where I think the 20s are like, so instructive. And that's another guest that we had on that I like loved, was Dr, Meg, J,

Colette Fehr:

oh, my God. And wait, can I just tell you something? Kerry told me she read that book. What's, again, her

Laura Bowman:

defining decade.

Colette Fehr:

Thank you her book. And she said that, and I meant to write Meg and tell her this. She was like, you know that great book, defining decade is the reason Colton, that's her boyfriend, and I, sat down and had certain conversations that we needed to have. Isn't that amazing. I need to email her and tell her,

Laura Bowman:

but this is where I think the 20s like we're parenting 20 somethings, a lot of us, and so we get to see their lives come into full vibrancy, like my daughter's just moved to South Florida, living her best life, doing an internship. And, I mean, I'm watching her just step into herself, similarly to way you're, you've, you've watched your daughter step into themselves. And it's like this is so instructive for us.

Colette Fehr:

Yeah,

Laura Bowman:

like we're on a parallel path. We may be 30 years ahead, but like we're having to do much the same work they have to do. And so taking a page out of our kids books,

Colette Fehr:

yes, instead of right, I love that you're right, it is a parallel thing, and I think it's exciting for our kids. I know my kids are very proud of me and say that all the time, and I think it sets good modeling that we're doing something with ourselves that is fulfilling to us. And I think this is really what we want to encourage people. It's what's fulfilling to you. It doesn't have to be any one particular thing, but I think there are people who are just sort of stuck and confused, or there are self limiting beliefs, source fracture stories, or there aren't enough factors pushing and the thought is, well, one day, or I guess I would, or maybe I will, and life can just go by. And if you're not feeling a tremendous sense of purpose. It's really not good for your mental or physical health. And we've all got such a creative soul in there. It's not like whether you're a creative person, it's a matter of finding your your own creative center. So we're going to be bringing more of this, lots more of this, in this next season and these next years, and you guys reach out to us and let us know what you want to hear about info at insights from the couch.org, right? Isn't that what our email is? I should know this better. And

Laura Bowman:

just one final thought on like, the parenting piece is like, and the development is that I hear all the time from like adult kids, that they're they're really sad when their parents stop growing, or that they watch their their parents not set boundaries with other family members, and they just like are caretakers and don't reclaim their lives. It's not good for them to watch us not step into our power so you want to be a good parent for the whole journey. Your activated self is your best gift at a certain point.

Colette Fehr:

Yeah,

Laura Bowman:

it's the best thing you have to give the rest you know, the generation coming up from behind you is they will largely develop to. What they see possible in their family. You know, that's where you see, like a whole family of doctors, the generation below knows what it looks like to be a doctor or lawyer. You know what I mean? Like everybody kind of sees what's possible ahead of them. So it's like, if you want to carve the path for your kids be an activated adult,

Colette Fehr:

yeah, and I just am mulling over the term activated self. I think that's what this is all about. It's really not the destination, because you get to one thing, and then, you know, it's okay. What's next? Right? For years now I've been pushing toward this book. Now my book's out, and now it's on to a new goal. It's, being on the trajectory of activation that you are alive and you are engaged in your own

Laura Bowman:

life. It's being inactively engaged with light.

Colette Fehr:

Yes,

Laura Bowman:

and that can look so many different ways, but you know it when you feel it. You're

Colette Fehr:

connected to yourself. You have goals. You have dreams. You're setting intentions. You're thinking about who you spend your time with your this is the season to do all of this. So more to come. We're so grateful to you all for listening

Laura Bowman:

100 episodes. Unbelievable.

Colette Fehr:

I know,

Laura Bowman:

yeah, not in a podcast. Make it this far,

Colette Fehr:

really? Is that true?

Laura Bowman:

Yeah, yeah, it's true.

Colette Fehr:

Okay. Yay us. Well, we're not going anywhere, so 100 more to come and reach out. Let us know what you want to hear about. We want to bring topics to you that enrich your lives, that are helpful and useful and interesting to you. And we're going to be we have a really great season coming up, so I think you're going to enjoy it. Lots of good stuff coming. Thanks so much for listening, everyone, and we'll see you next time.

Laura Bowman:

Bye guys. You.