bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 0:13

Welcome to Tracking the Cats. I'm Bob Saban, along with my co-host Steve White. And we do this every two weeks. You can find us on YouTube on most podcast channels. And now we are also on WW CU FM 95.3 in the Colorway Valley and surrounding areas. We're on every Saturday morning from nine o'clock until the show is over. And we are very thankful for them and their staff, including their general manager, Halle Stanley, who has helped us get on and stay on the air over there. We're looking forward to a continued relationship with WWCU. We are brought to you as always by Stanbury Insurance and they cover all your insurance needs that don't, not just in North Carolina. They can do anywhere around the southeast and they cover all commercial, residential, auto needs with offices in Waynesville Silva, Clyde and Highlands and Steve. Today is February 4th, a Wednesday, and it's got a special day. It's signing day for football.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 1:23

Yeah, that's right. And I don't know if Bocard Phil it means if he sees his shadow, what that means for the cat mounts or if he doesn't see his shadow, what that means. But a couple of days later. But February the fourth is the, today was the national signing day for high school players. Course I don't shoot know how that impacts the portal players, the transfer players. But anyway they are also announced today.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 1:50

I've been keeping an eye online and it looks as of about four o'clock this afternoon, we had 15 high school kids sign in all different positions including a kid from Ireland who's a rugby player and looks like a five star kicker. And punter, I can do either apparently.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 2:10

Yeah. Yeah. I think there were nine freshmen offensive players and six defensive players among the newcomers the freshmen coming in the portal, I think what we had 16, the last I saw, And nine on off. Yeah. Nine.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 2:27

go ahead, sorry.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 2:27

on offense, seven on defense. And there were three specialists in, in that group somewhere. Yeah, at very encouraging. I was down at the athletic department the other day, every day I have to pass through and check out everybody, make sure they're working. And by the football office and, coach Bell was very excited about he says yeah, I think we we really did some nice things and talking about a couple of players in particular. And he says he says I think you're going to enjoy watching these new guys. Says they have me excited, so I'm sure you'll be excited.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 3:01

We'll do more on it or on our next show. We'll go in depth and talk a little bit more about what the, player, individual players actually are who they are. I've got some great transfers from good schools, so I'm pretty excited about this fall. But yeah, let next podcast in two weeks, hopefully we will have some updates for you on some of these students, both the high school signees as well as the portal transfers. But now it's time to move to our special guests. So Steve, if you would like to introduce Jake.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 3:35

All right. Jake played for the CAT mounts 2007 2010 under coach, legendary coach Larry Hunter. His two hundred and seventy eight three pointers are ranks number one all time on W C's career list. He was the guy that. us on the map after Ronnie Carr. Robinson was the next big three pointer that made headlines for us. His three point percentage ranks. Number two all time. He was a two time team captain for the cat mounts. The team leader in that 2010 team that won 22 ball games member of the ESPN all academic team in 2010. So Jake just wasn't, jock, he was a student athlete in the greatest sense of the word. Jed came to us from over the balls, Pisca high in Canton. He was all western North Carolina high school player, twice his junior and senior year at Pisca, led pisca to the state. Two, A championship in a perfect 29 and oh record and was the MVP of the state tournament in his junior season. He scored 53 points in the game against Brevard High School. I don't know if that was his junior season or his senior season, and obviously a. First team Allstate player. Quite a resume for Jake. And of course after he left WCU and an All Star athletic career, he also had an all star academic career. he became president, CEO of champion Credit Union and, in Canton, and they have several seven branches. Western North Carolina, over 110 employees mainly in Haywood County, but also other parts of Western North Carolina. He's an all star WCU alum has been named our young alumnus of the year served on key search committees. Our Catamount Club board of directors currently sits a prestigious seat on our WCU Board of Trustees. And I think the youngest WCU alum to ever serve in that position on our board of trustees. that's that's what he did in the past and the present, and who knows what he's gonna do in the future, but quite a career up to this point, both as an student ath, as an athlete, and as a student, and now as a private citizen businessman in Haywood County.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 5:59

And we have to thank him for providing the jersey that you are wearing, which is a commemorative basketball jersey from 1996.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 6:08

Yes, We commemorated the 96 Team Sunday. There wasn't that many people able to show up from that team. We had good representation though, and I tell you we're so thankful for Jake's participation in this. And it was quite, we, you've been, I've been. The last couple of days all over campus watching Western students. Every time I look out the window on both sides of the street, I'll see these jerseys over top of some people had overcoats, they had'em over top of overcoats.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 6:38

That's great.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 6:39

It's a little good publicity for Jake on the backside with the Champion Credit union and of course Western Carolina basketball on the front.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 6:48

Now you get a chance to actually talk. Jake, welcome. Welcome to the program.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 6:55

Thanks Bob and Steve, it's great to join you. It doesn't take much convincing for me to get on and speak about. Western Carolina University. Appreciate the work you guys do, highlighting our student athletes and coaches, and look forward to spending some time with you this evening.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 7:10

Sounds great.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 7:11

Jake, we know you had several options out of high school after your high school, outstanding high school career over at Pisca, and what what attracted, what brought you to Western

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 7:22

Yeah, my my recruiting journey was pretty unique, Steve. So I actually committed to then head coach Steve Sina.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 7:29

I.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 7:30

and going back to my childhood, especially with the jersey you're wearing, Steve, I was young aspiring athlete and I remember as I was playing youth basketball, seeing the 96 run and seeing the success that the university had in that and, publicity that came with it. And remember coach q and. Him having the net around his neck at the SoCon

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 7:52

Yeah.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 7:53

and celebrating. And, it's funny'cause when I committed to Western through Coach Sina Anque, McCullum was on the staff there. And so his enthusiasm, his love for Western was contagious. And it's was made an impact on me. When there was a coaching change during that recruiting journey. And during that time I listened to some other schools larger schools. Other Southern conference schools and, Western just always felt like home. I love the idea of, when I was playing ESPN plus wasn't a thing. My mom and my brothers and my family and other community members could see me play more. So that was certainly something that was important to me. And so that with the university's focus on ac academic success. I knew I wasn't gonna be able to play basketball forever, the student athlete part of this was gonna be important. And I always got that feeling every time I was on campus. And, it was it was a great opportunity. I wanted to change the narrative about Western and, it wasn't necessarily somewhere that you had to settle. It was a place that you could go and grow and learn. And certainly did that for me and grateful for the opportunity that I had at Western. Don't think I would make decision differently.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 9:01

Sticking with the questions around your time on campus and your actual experience at Western, you had lots of teammates over a four year period that you saw one time or another. Are you still close to some of those guys? And do you have any special folks that you like to hang with or be in touch with?

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 9:21

A lot of our guys are spread out across the country really. And admittedly we don't probably talk as much as we should, but, the beauty of social media is I can see their families and I can see their careers and we can, we can chat and have a connection that way. And Brandon Giles is doing some incredible stuff down in Florida with. With his leadership in Polk County and, the work he's doing there. And there's all kinds of other guys. Brigham's still doing great and is,

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 9:49

Cool.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 9:49

a new career and doing some great stuff. And, I still, will have side conversations with child's birthdays and things like that with some of our teammates. But we had some great runs and some great memories and, we're all grateful for what Coach Hunter did for us. Now again, that Coach Hunter.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 10:13

Yeah. Chop, chop wood. Keep chopping wood. Yeah, chop. Yeah. But again, Jake, that team at senior season for you 22 and 12 that went to the postseason, to the tournament college Insiders Tournament. Yeah. Brigham Wagon Jersey. You've spoke about Brandon Giles. Keaton Cole, little shooting guard, Mike Williams. Richie Gordon una Mutombo. Trey Summer. They came along a little after he took up the slack when you left, especially Una and Trey. But those were some names that everybody I think associated with basketball remembers well, yeah.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 10:51

Yeah we had a great year and unfortunately we had some injuries, that happened mid-season that kind of disrupted our flow and disrupted our rotation a little. And we felt like we were good enough to win the SoCon and have a chance at the NCAA tournament, and I think we were, just didn't work out. But nonetheless, we put up a 20 win season, which I think was the first in, in quite some

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 11:14

Yes it was.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 11:15

and, traveled to Louisville and beat Rick Pitino in

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 11:19

Yes.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 11:19

their home

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 11:20

That's right.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 11:20

was a lot of fun and really had a great season. There's, certainly would've wanted it to end better, but having a postseason. Appearance nonetheless was good and we really enjoyed our time.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 11:31

Being together with those guys for the years that you were you must have a couple of great stories that are, you'd like to regale us with. That we can either get a laugh or a tear out of.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 11:44

Yeah, I think the thing that I look back on most is, that game at Louisville was huge. I think we had one loss. We opened the season, I think we lost at Texas. Then we won nine straight and or something of that effect and to Louisville and they were pretty good. They were I think they didn't make the tournament, but they were a bubble team for most of that season. Won that game. And I remember getting back on the bus after the game and my phone had blown up with text messages. I know you, you spoke about Stanbury Insurance I know they had the game streaming at O'Malley's and other places in town and a ton of excitement around that victory. I think we actually received some votes for the top 25. After that game and had some really, some national public publicity. We were on the cover of sporting News or one of the sports magazines for, a mid-major team to watch. And again, we had some, Mike rolled his ankle later in the year and he never really fully recovered. And he was such an explosive player for us off the bench and added another dimension to our offense. When he didn't get back to full health, that was something that hurt us. And but, the Coach Hunter stories, he was a, he was just a machine with his arriving to the office early and working out and challenging us every day and hitting us with quotes and wisdom that, I've always told people I didn't appreciate things that Coach Hunter did for us as much until I graduated and got into the real world. Realized if I can handle Coach Hunter, there's really no challenge in the real world that I can't face. Some of those film sessions and those one-on-one conversations were tough when you're a, a 20, 20-year-old kid trying to figure things out. But certainly made me tougher, much more mental toughness. And I think that, he helped us so much in, in developing ourselves as young adults. And, he was a legend for a reason.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 13:36

I tell you, he, I remember sometime in the post game shows on radio and come out, you had to be a little careful with Coach Hunter, especially if you lost the ball game. You had to be very careful with what you said. And, I remember a couple of times he'd look at me and he says why do I don't think so? I think you got that wrong. And I another.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 14:00

Yeah. He didn't he didn't miss a detail. I can remember in the middle of games when I made a mistake in a scouting report or missed an assignment on defense. I'm like, oh, coach is gonna kill me tomorrow and film on this one. He was very attentive to all those little, small details throughout a game.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 14:16

Andy knew how to work the refs too.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 14:19

He had a way with officials, sometimes good, sometimes not so good, but he certainly made an impact.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 14:26

What about coach Hunter was different from other coaches you've played with in the past?

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 14:34

I think that, again, I, there were times that, when I was a student athlete, I, would have a session with him or would, finish practice or a workout or whatever, and I would roll my eyes and get frustrated thinking he was too hard on us sometimes and. He just was particular about doing things the right way. And again, as I look back on my experiences there, those things have really helped me in the real world and in my leadership journey and trying to make sure that you gotta practice what you preach. And, he was always challenging us, but no one was gonna work harder than him. spent hours upon hours in the gym and in his office and in preparation of games. And he just, he had a way of really motivating us, trying to push us to the point of how are you gonna react when things are not going your way, and how are you gonna respond to adversity? And those are all things that, you gotta learn. And he did such a great job of that, and I'm grateful for that experience and his impact on my life. And I know there's generations of student athletes that have had that same experience, that are fortunate to have worked with him.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 15:36

Yeah. Jack, your hometown getting off of basketball. Just a second here. We'll be back. But hometown of Canton has gone through some really tough times in recent years. The, of the paper mill hundreds of jobs. Maybe thousand then the devastating floods boy, just just really just did so much damage around Canton and Haywood County. Talk to us about the recovery prospect and the, maybe the people, the fabric of that town. How this team, that town has just come together and recovered. I think it's just really a unique story.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 16:13

It really is Steve, and thanks for bringing light to it. The recovery process is certainly ongoing. It's not over, it's not behind us necessarily, but Haywood County and Western North Carolina as a whole, resilient people and about the community when times are tough, I think that reveals character as much as any time. And, time and time again, businesses and individuals have stepped up. I'm fortunate to work for an organization and sit in a seat where I can impact, change and and see things come to fruition in this recovery. And there's been leadership from across industry, from politics, regardless of what, aisle you sit on. Everyone's come together to try to help. And the mayor of Canton Mathers is a close friend and he talks about that, is not just something that's. That Milltown strength is not just something that's present when there's a mill there, but it's a mindset and it's a commitment to fighting and, never forgetting where you came from. And you, that was a big part of my choice in my career. I wanted to go back to the community that helped raise me and make a difference. And fortunately I've been able to a hand in some of those things and been involved in the recovery. I'm very optimistic about where we're heading and what's next. It's gonna be different, the fabric and the look of Canton is gonna be different now that there's not a meal here. But I don't think that changes the people and the resiliency that we have here. And I'm committed to being here and serving and I know there's others that will be as well. And, we're gonna come outta this as strong as we've ever been.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 17:43

Something that my family tried to install in our three kids is a value of hard work and showing up at every day is only half the key to that. You talked a little bit about that when you got the award for young Achiever alumni. Can you tell us a little bit more about that and how your family instilled that with you?

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 18:04

Yeah I hit the, I think I even said this in my remarks back at the ceremony for that award. But, I hit the hit the lottery with a mom and brothers who, looked out for me and worked really hard to set an example and pushed me even when I didn't be pushed. And maybe when I pushed back a little bit on that. I've, I had mentors and coaches like Coach Hunter and Jimmy Cleveland was my high school coach, who I still talk to a lot. And those individuals just made sure that I didn't accept anything less than my best. And that was, that's huge. I tried to listen and, when I got into the career of that I'm in now. I wanted to show all those that I worked with as I into to jobs that I was fully committed to being as good as I could in that role. And then if I got promoted and got new opportunities, then I would carry that on because I knew if I got to where I wanted to be and to lead this organization, I needed those folks to wanna follow and wanna. I wanted to build that trust. And right, it's more than just showing up. Gotta live out your values and you gotta really demonstrate, the behaviors you wanna see. You gotta make sure that you're the one doing it first. Certainly not perfect. I make mistakes every day, but hopeful that the people that work with me know that my heart's in the right place and I'm always gonna do what's best for our company, and our people. It's what drives me. It's my purpose, it's my motivation, and I hope that I can continue doing that for a very long time.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 19:30

Yeah. serving on W C's Board of Trustees offers you a unique opportunity to have an impact upon your alma mater, a special impact. Talk to us about this duty and your experience as a member of the WCU Board of Trustees, what it means to you.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 19:48

Yeah, it means a lot. And it was a professional goal that I had set out that I wanted to achieve. I remember, seeing university leadership back when I was on campus and the impact they were making. Thinking to myself, I'd love to be in that seat one day. And so I've had that opportunity and it's been great. I've learned a lot through the experience and really how much goes into operating our university, far beyond athletics and even far beyond academics. And we've got great university leadership our executive council that, that our board of trustees works with. They care about students most importantly, and their experience. And my seat on that board, we get to see some of the unique stuff that happens on our campus that not everyone gets to see. Some of those learning experiences that happen outside of Colory and programs that serve our community at large. Western is a regional comprehensive university, do more than just graduate students. We try to make an impact across Western North Carolina, and the university does a great job of that. And, it's really an honor to be able to sit in that room and see just how much difference is made by the people that serve our university and participate every day.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 21:02

On a personal family note your wife, Olivia. She's A-W-E-C-U alum. Thank you. Go katter mounts and she's a pretty good high school basketball player. Did you ever feel the need or offer up advice on basketball playing, and if so, how was it accepted or not?

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 21:21

She would she would call me out when I didn't play very well. She didn't hold back. And she was, as you said, she was a really good high school basketball player. Actually walked on for Coach Kelly Harper for a short time and. She was an intramural all star. I think her co-ed, intramural basketball team maybe won three or four straight championships. And we had, in our free time we'd go to we'd go to Reed or we'd go to the campus rec center and get some shots up and. I hesitate to admit it, but she beat me a few times'cause she could shoot it. And yeah, it's fun and we still, we'll go down and some there's some courts in the community we live in here in, in Western North Carolina. So we'll go shoot and have some fun competition and trash talk a little bit and have a good time. But yeah was good enough to understand if I didn't play well and she'd call me out on it.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 22:07

You and your family are fixtures in the Ramsey Center for the Home Games, WCU Basketball Home Games. Do you ever get emotionally involved? I don't see out there. Are jumping on the floor, running out to holler the referees or anything like this. But maybe you want to go in the game and shoot a three pointer. I just what goes through when you're watching today's game, as a fan, as opposed as a player?

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 22:30

Yeah, I get asked that quite a bit, Steve, and Do you miss it? Do you want to get back

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 22:34

Yeah.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 22:35

And answer it. Yeah. I'd love to just play the games.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 22:38

Yeah.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 22:39

I don't miss. Those long practices and conditioning out on the football field in the heat of summer and all that. But, yeah, I love to watch the games. I love what Coach Kraft is doing and his staff. Any know, there's times when we maybe go through a cold spurt during the game and I'm like, let me spot up out there somewhere. I might be able to bring us out of that. But no, it's that itch is still there. Especially, the SoCon tournament in Nashville is so much fun. We, my wife and daughter we sit through about every game. That's fired up because just environment, experience that. So yeah, I miss stuff, but I sure would love.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 23:24

We've got ups and downs with this season so far. Give us a few thoughts on what you're thinking about the current Catamount team.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 23:33

Yeah, as I said a second ago, I coach Tim Craft. He's an unbelievable coach and I think my biggest compliment of him so far that. I've experienced. I think he's even a better person.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 23:43

Yeah, I agree.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 23:43

but I think he's got a great group of kids. I think when you look at, just look at the ETSU games, they've got two conference losses and they both came to us. think it shows our potential and our ability to compete at a high level. but the Southern Conference is really good, as you guys know. The talent and the strength of the schools in our league are really solid, and so you can't afford to have an off night. Unfortunately, we've had a couple of those. We've had some leads late that we hadn't been able to close, and, but I think they've demonstrated the ability to come out on top and look, learning to win's hard. Like it's not easy. And so I think that they're figuring those things out and get healthy, gotta keep guys healthy. But with what Coach Craft and his staff is doing. I think that if we finish the year strong, when we get to Asheville in March, I'm gonna be optimistic that we got a real chance to to win. And the challenge is gonna be, there's probably nine other teams that have that same thought. So I think the tournament's gonna be really good and it's gonna be really competitive. And when we're at our best, I think we're right there at the top. So we just gotta, we gotta show up. Gotta make, that's what Coach Hunter used to say in timeouts. Guys. Just put the ball in the baskets a lot problems.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 24:57

Yeah.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 24:58

Yeah. It's amazing. Jake we seem to play better against the. Top what is perceived to be the best teams in the league right now as opposed to the bottom level. So maybe come tournament time, that'll be good. But speaking of college basketball, just since you left, what, 15 or so years ago what has been maybe the biggest change or how has the game changed since you were playing? It's what you've, what you have seen out there.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 25:24

Yeah, thanks for reminding me. It's been 15 or 16 years, Steve.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 25:28

Yeah.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 25:31

It has changed a lot. The game itself, I would love the new way of playing. It was trending this way in my years, but, spreading the floor, the three point shot, the ability to make those has such a huge, impact on the game and it's why you see a lot of mid-major upsets come March. when you get hot and you got guys that can shoot it, it it covers up a lot of other stuff. The court that transition's kind of happened. There's not a whole lot of that traditional back to the basket big man anymore. It's of spread the court, you see our offense currently under Coach Craft. see our big guys out handling the ball on the perimeter some too. So that's where on the court it's changed, certainly off the court. It's different. You guys talked about the portal with football earlier with the signing day stuff. The portal's a real thing in basketball and revenue sharing and NIL model that exists in college athletics is every day. I know when when our Ad Cal reports out to the board on stuff. Disc up today, as of today, could be different the next time I report to on what's happening with intercollegiate athletics. But it's different, try not to get caught up in, in some of the individual opinions that have have surfaced out there. I think at the end of the day, we wanna put kids in our uniform that represent our university well. And I think Coach Krafts. The model for that. And we just gotta continue to find ways to, to recruit the right kids and be a player when it makes makes sense to do so in the portal and other places. And figure out how we continue to compete. It's different, but it can't be an excuse on why we're not committed to doing it.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 27:09

I hear you. This has been a good half hour. Really appreciate your time, Jake. It's been good hearing from you and getting your perspective on all things scatter out and looking forward to seeing you. I think I'll be up there at the end of the month for the introduction and hopefully get a couple more ball games in too this season. Steve, you got any last.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 27:32

Yeah, I tell you, just like I say can talking about your hometown there. I just love to ride through there. Of course, when I was in school you had to go right through middle of Canton and Waynesville, even Asheville back in those days, and. It's interesting how it's changed, but I'm always just really impressed with how that seems to still be alive despite all the setbacks it's had. And again, I appreciate what you're doing over there and Zbs, Mathers and it's really quite a story for recovery. It really is.

squadcaster-1ee0_1_02-04-2026_162029 28:03

I appreciate that Steve and congratulations to you on the recent naming of the press box, there couldn't be a better recipient of that honor. And, the work you've done for our university and the knowledge you have and, the fixture you are for Catamount athletics is special. That was one of the easiest votes I've had as a trustee is to say, yeah, his name up there. That's well deserved.

squadcaster-hid4_1_02-04-2026_162030 28:25

Realize to tell everybody what they're doing is trying to make up from about 55 years ago when we were building Whitmar Stadium and they came up short on money to finish the field house in the press box stadium area. And they took out my elevator, took out 150 square feet of the press box and the upper film deck, and now maybe this'll, this will make me feel like I'm being paid back.

bob-sabin_1_02-04-2026_162030 28:52

Gentlemen, as always, it's been a great half hour. We appreciate you. That about does it for this edition of Tracking the Cats. We will see you all again in about two weeks. And as always, we are brought to you by Stan Insurance, four offices in Western North Carolina, covering all your insurance needs. We'll see you all in two weeks.