EP. 25 - The Power of Co-Regulation: How Letters Can Strengthen Your Connection with Your Child

Ever had a moment where your child was overwhelmed, shutting down, or struggling to express their emotions? Instead of pushing for a conversation, try this: write them a letter. ✍️💙

In this episode, we dive into the power of co-regulation through letter writing—a heartfelt way to help kids feel seen, heard, and safe. Whether it’s a note slipped under their pillow after a tough day or a message left in their lunchbox to remind them they’re loved, these small gestures can make a big impact.

✨ Imagine your child waking up to a letter that says, "I see how hard you tried today, and I’m so proud of you."
✨ Or receiving a note that reassures them, "Even when you're upset, I’m here, and I love you."

Real stories. Practical tips. A game-changing way to build trust and emotional security with your child.

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Alona Pulde: Hey there. We'd love for you to hit that subscribe button by subscribing, you're helping us spread the word and connect with more amazing people like you. 

[00:00:11] Host: Welcome to we Be Parents, where parent doctors, Matthew Lederman, and Alona Pulde, explore current parenting topics, share stories, and help bring families closer together.

[00:00:24] Alona Pulde: Hello and welcome to Weeby parents, where we dive into the joys and challenges of parenting and uncovered tools that help us create more connection in our families. I'm Dr. Alona Pulde. And hi, 

[00:00:37] Matthew Lederman: I'm Dr. Matthew Lederman. 

[00:00:39] Alona Pulde: In our last episode, we explored how our energy shapes our children's emotional state through co-regulation.

Today we're gonna be sharing. Real stories from families just like yours, successes, strugglers and listener questions. 

[00:00:59] Matthew Lederman: So before we jump in though, we ask that you subscribe. And rate and review this podcast. It really helps us get out there and help other people see us. So we really thank your support there.

[00:01:11] Alona Pulde: And just to give a little bit of a summary of what we talked about last week, we were really talking about how, whether it's positive or negative, our mood, our family functions as one nervous system and the the energetic state or mood that. One person has can be very contagious. Similarly to a yawn, when somebody in the family is particularly tense, it's hard for the rest of the family not to mirror that as well.

[00:01:45] Matthew Lederman: And I know that when I'm irritable or angry, it can send an irritable energy throughout the household. And something as simple as connecting with the family and sharing my what's behind my irritability actually. [00:02:00] Shifts the energy of the household again. So if I stay irritable and try to keep it in, 'cause I don't want my irritation to get out, it actually backfires 'cause I don't feel that's irritable.

And then the irritability, the sort of that's mirrored by the family through their mirror neurons that are designed to do this, um, create the irritability in them too. So it really behooves us to connect and then soften as a result of that self connection that then is mirrored as well. 

[00:02:29] Alona Pulde: That goes right into the, the tool that we discussed, uh, in the last episode, which was the reset ritual.

And, uh, you can do this in a variety of different ways. We like to regulate using the webe calm to get, and, and from the webe calm, learning how to take weeby breaths with or without the device. 

[00:02:52] Matthew Lederman: I mean, we're a little biased because we created the WEEI Con, but we created it to actually give the feedback of what, uh, an effective calming breath feels like versus, especially for children.

They just start, you tell 'em to breathe and they'll be like, which actually, if anything, stimulates more dysregulation than than regulation. 

[00:03:12] Alona Pulde: Yeah. So that's our tool of choice. But, you know, pick yours and if you already have a practice, keep doing that. Um, but the reset ritual, just to remind listeners, uh, the first step is to pause and notice what energy are you as the parent bringing in at the moment.

The next one is to take some deep breaths to really connect to where you are at and to. Take those deep breaths to try and help you get to the third step, which is ground yourself so that you can feel your feet, so that you can bring that state of calm back to yourself. Your body can soften, which is step four, and [00:04:00] then you, you can, in a state of calm, reconnect to your child.

In a way that can offer more of a warm, connecting, reassuring tone over a, a tense and dysregulated one. So again, the steps are pause and notice. Take your deep breaths, ground yourself, soften your body, and reconnect with your child.

[00:04:28] Headlines & Heartlines

[00:04:28] Host: Headlines and heartlines. 

[00:04:32] Alona Pulde: I love to celebrate successes. All right, 

[00:04:34] Matthew Lederman: so the first one is, uh, about a mom that noticed that every morning her child had a meltdown before school. And instead of getting frustrated, she paused and took deep breaths, slowing herself down, and her surprise, her child stopped melting down and instead leaned in for a big hug.

And to me, what I liked about that was that that's the power of co-regulation when we shift. Our kids shift. 

[00:05:02] Alona Pulde: I, I love that I shared a story, and I'll give a recap of it. Uh, this was when my oldest was really young and she was mad at me, and in that situation I happened to feel really resourced in talking to her, just kind of mirroring where she was at, having empathy for her situation.

She quickly turned around to no longer being mad at me and taking her upset out on someone else. But it's, it's amazing how quickly kids can react to that state of calm and shift where they're at. So I love that. It, it co-regulation is so, so powerful. 

[00:05:48] Matthew Lederman: So the next story is the power of softening. And to me.

It shows that just softening our tone can create instant connection. So this was about a [00:06:00] dad who is frustrated with his child's whining, and we've all been there where the whining is like nails on a chalkboard. But instead of snapping this time, he'd softened his voice and said simply, Hey, tell me what's wrong.

And his child immediately relaxed and explained their feelings. So it doesn't have to be this long, drawn out therapeutic conversation. It's just sending energy that says, Hey, I care about you, and I'm here to listen. I. 

[00:06:34] Alona Pulde: For anyone who's struggling to identify with that, anybody who's listened to a meditation tape or a guided meditation, you don't have somebody yelling at you or talking at 1.5 speed.

It's a very calm and soothing voice that takes you into that state of relaxation. 

[00:06:59] Matthew Lederman: Yeah, I know way back when, when I got one of these, I used to listen to books on tape and I got this book on how to relax and calm and meditate and I put the book on two times speed. 'cause I was trying to get through it as quick, like I do all my books, I try to get through 'em quickly and af and then as I'm listening to this guy talking really fast like a munchkin about calming and relaxing, taking slow breaths.

I was like, wait a second, you dummy, what are you doing here? And that's when I. I said, Hey, I gotta slow this one down to one time speed. So 

[00:07:30] Alona Pulde: yeah, that's, that is a good story. I like that one. Some of our stories are not quite as successful. You wanna talk about some of the Yeah. Here's 

[00:07:41] Matthew Lederman: one on the, uh, an overwhelmed parent where a mom shared that she struggles with staying calm because her own parents never modeled regulation.

So she just struggles. There's a lot of habitual energy. A lot of habit, a a lot of, and that's the, the beauty of neural [00:08:00] pathways is repetition is all it takes to build them. And you can, it's like going from a dirt road to a superhigh. The more you repetitions. The more you, you strengthen that path and you can strengthen that path with regulating behaviors or you can strengthen that path with dysregulating behaviors.

But through choice, you can choose to go down a different road and over time you can build up this other pathway and the previously built out pathway will start to get overrun with. Weeds and grass and, and start to fall apart. So you can, you can shift pathways by shifting your energy and focus and practice from one that you don't enjoy to one that you do enjoy.

So how your parents raised you will have created pathways that are strong and reinforced. You have the power to create new ones and reinforce those. 

[00:08:54] Alona Pulde: And a lot of that depends on your, your own state of regulation, right? You're connecting to yourself because those default behaviors are so ingrained and so easy to do.

And I know I. We each have different types of those. Like I know that when my mom raising us was very fearful, so, you know, it's don't go out alone. Don't, that's dangerous and uh, don't play on that. Playground because that swing can be Dan, you could fall off the swing and you can, you know, fall off the structure, whatever that is.

And so I remember when the kids would go to the park and try adventurous things and my heart would just be racing. And if they fell, it would be, you know, there's gas versus it. It's, okay, let's see. Let's see where they're at. Let's see what actually happened before I react and assume the worst. Um. I know for you it was around spills and, and accidents.

[00:09:55] Matthew Lederman: Yeah, per spills. It's all the, what was modeled and that, so [00:10:00] US spills was, were a terrible thing and it was, uh, they could be yelling or upset or whatever and, and I would get nervous around spills and then I would get worked up and upset at myself mirroring that behavior. That was modeled for me on the flip side at a park.

I would do crazy things. I never worried about that. There was no fear. In fact, I remember taking Kylie, our oldest daughter to the park and she, I was telling her I was filming her, Hey, can you jump from this part to this spider web? Part of the, of the, 

[00:10:37] Alona Pulde: oh boy, I remember that video. 

[00:10:39] Matthew Lederman: Oh my God. And she jumps and she falls and she's, and you hear her go, ah, and she falls down and grabs a thing and she's laying on her back on the, with all the, the leaves and everything.

And she gets up and she's checking to make sure everything's working. And she's dusting off the leaves and she goes, whoa, that was a cool, or something like that. And I'm thinking like myself. Oh my God. We can't show mom this video until we make sure everything's working. Everything was working. But even then, like just watching it probably made your heart sink, even though you knew everything was fine at the end.

[00:11:10] Alona Pulde: Yes. That made my heart sink. And you forgot to mention as she's falling. The chuckling that's happening in the background. 

[00:11:19] Matthew Lederman: Yes. I was laughing. Yes, it was. It was funny. It was funny. Especially once I found out that she was okay. Yes. But yes, I was chuckling because for us, we just were constantly falling and hurting ourselves and getting back up.

Like to me, falling wasn't necessarily dangerous. It was just part of the fun. 

[00:11:38] Alona Pulde: Yeah. And, and that's where we need to connect to ourselves because those default behaviors are so easy when we're not mindful and aware and grounded for us to go down. Those default behaviors absolutely resonate with mom here.

And also [00:12:00] what a wonderful opportunity to practice something 

[00:12:02] Matthew Lederman: different. So one, one parent asked, Hey, you know, I try to stay calm. But the, you know, their child still escalates and really struggling around that. So I thought, well, what is, what is your response to something like that? 

[00:12:19] Alona Pulde: Yeah, I think I, my first thing is I'd love to get a little bit more information because sometimes, and you know, we talked about this in the last episode, sometimes our energetic state is anything but calm, even though we're trying very hard to say quote unquote the right thing.

So we may. A child spilled. A child fell. A child did is having a tantrum and we're saying, it's okay. You're okay. We're, you know, you're safe. How about you come and sit next to, but your body is completely tense. That child is mirroring that. Not necessarily your words. 

[00:13:05] Matthew Lederman: Yeah. They don't care what you say. Yes.

They care how you show up or they care. If anything, they care about the tone and the pace so much more than the lang, than the words themselves. And it's really, that's where it's so important to, like we said in the, in the last episode, it's so important to check in to where, where your body is instead of starting with what you, what behavior you want to stop.

The other person. 

[00:13:33] Alona Pulde: I, I love that reminder. And, and so that's my curiosities when it's, I try to stay calm. What is that actually looking like in real time? And then, you know, there are, there are gonna be times where we can't quite get to calm as much as we'd like to. I think even naming that in those situations, and we talked about that in the last episode too, that authenticity.

[00:14:00] Helps with regulation for your kids because now there's congruence around what you're saying and how you're behaving. 

[00:14:08] Matthew Lederman: Yeah, I like that. 

[00:14:08] Alona Pulde: And then also remembering, you know, that sometimes kids need time. So if we can stay consistent, even if we have to step away momentarily, but if we can stay consistent and give them a little time to get back to regulation, this is also one of those things that knowing how to breathe.

And having that as a regular practice really helps in times like these, because your kids can recall that and do it almost automatically, versus trying to teach them in those moments what to do. 

[00:14:47] Matthew Lederman: Yeah. And, and ultimately, if your energy is around some agenda with how you want them to shift or change or do something, it's disconnecting, it's dysregulating.

Your energy instead is around connecting and hearing and caring for them, and then through that connection and care we'll, you trust that you'll figure out what to do after that. That's much more connecting. 

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So how about letters from our listeners? Uh, this is one my [00:16:00] 15-year-old son has been really distant lately. He barely talks to me, and when I ask how he's doing, I get short answers or an eye roll. I try to stay calm, but I end up feeling frustrated and shutting down too. How can I co-regulate with a teen who doesn't even wanna engage with me?

Ooh, great question. 

[00:16:26] Matthew Lederman: And there's a couple of things there just to start off. One is to remember that everything that they're doing is to meet needs. So even when they roll their eyes, they're trying to meet needs. And the eye roll is, to me, is helpful because it's, it's them basically saying, I'm not really loving what you're doing, but I don't feel comfortable speaking out about it fully.

I'm only comfortable enough to roll my eyes. That's the closest they, that's the amount of comfort they have around saying, I'm not really happy about this. I'm not really enjoying this, or something like that. So remember, the eye roll is, is a type of expression. Then the other thing that before we dive in, I think that's really important is don't think of people as not wanting to engage with you.

I think if you assume that that's true, it's disconnecting. Instead, assume that they are keeping quiet out of they're meeting needs again for protection, for ease, for flow, for harmony. If they think that engaging is gonna lead to, to something, you know, less harmony or they're gonna have to do something where they don't want to, and their need for autonomy and choice is gonna come up, they're gonna protect those needs by not engaging.

So think of it as, okay, they're trying to protect needs by not engaging. What needs are those? And if you're curious about that, that's the bridge to connection. 

[00:17:49] Alona Pulde: I think that's so. So important to remember, and again, that only can happen if we're grounded and, and we come from a [00:18:00] regulated con state is our ability to look past the strategy that they chose, which is, uh, not engaging, and find that underlying need, which could be.

They're, they're worried, you know, trust is coming up for them. Understanding, mutuality, partnership, autonomy, I mean, so many different needs that create distance and Right. What is perceived as lack of engagement, 

[00:18:28] Matthew Lederman: right? That, that eye rolling and, and lack of engagement to me makes me very curious what needs of theirs are not being met in our relationship.

And it's tough because parents will say, 90% of what I do is for my children. What do you mean? I'm not caring about their needs? But we're often not caring about their needs with strategies that actually meet the needs from their perspective. So we might think we're caring for their needs, but then they have needs on their end that are still not being met.

That curiosity is key. 

[00:19:00] Alona Pulde: I love that. And it's hard in those moments where you feel hurt like, oh, my kid doesn't wanna engage with me, or they don't care about me. It's hard not to feel hurt by that. Take it personally, and then as a result, either disengage from the child or get annoyed or irritated or frustrated, which pushes and often.

Exacerbates the needs not met versus addresses them where you find a strategy that works for both of you. 

[00:19:35] Matthew Lederman: Exactly. Exactly. So in that moment, you are doing things in an effort to try and repair connection that's actually making it worse. 

[00:19:44] Alona Pulde: Yes. And you want in, in, in that moment too, is you want your teen to co-regulate with you, not you to co-regulate with your teen.

I. 

[00:19:56] Matthew Lederman: So what would you do differently? 

[00:19:58] Alona Pulde: Well, I think there are, [00:20:00] uh, a number of strategies and that that depends on your connection with your child. Sometimes it could be something just like, Hey, I'm here. I. Should you wanna listen now if there's opportunity for repair, that's a bigger conversation that you have with your teen around, Hey, you know, I know that uh, we've done things differently in the past and maybe that didn't feel great to you.

I'm working on doing things differently and I'm wondering if you'd like to experiment with me. My hope is that this feels better to both of us, and my desire is to connect with you because I care about you. So you know a variety of different opportunities, and that really depends on where you're at with your connection with your child.

[00:20:53] Matthew Lederman: I think that's the bottom line is it's. Is your focus connection, or is your focus enforcing a rule or being right or convincing your ex child that you are right and you understand something they don't understand? The other day, Kylie and I had an ag, we have an agreement around using the iPad and then turning it off at a certain time and then getting ready for school.

And if, if you're done and you're ready, then you can turn your iPad back on. But she came up with an agreement that she said worked for her that at seven 15 she'll turn it off and if she doesn't turn it off, she'll not use the iPad at all the next day to be able to see, hey, is it easier? Sort of like a consequence around that for her, allows her to see what it's like not using the iPad at all, which has happened in the past.

And she said, dad, actually I have a lot more time. This is nice. I'm, I don't have to, I don't pressure. But anyway, it happened again this time and I said to her, I said, Hey, so it's later than seven 15. Do you want what you know is, you know, per per our agreement, then that means that we're not gonna do the iPad the next day.[00:22:00] 

And she said, okay, fine. And I knew from that tone and the energy. She was agreeing to it, but she was not, it was not something that was actually meeting her needs. And people listening might say, well, you're, you're punishing them and there's consequences. Of course, it's not gonna meet their needs. But it's not about making them happy, it's about her connecting it her needs.

And for me to be focused on the connection versus a consequence. And if I was just focused on the agre, enforcing an agreement, I'd be like, great. I don't care if she's happy or not. The agreement was kept. But instead, I said to her, I said, Kylie, you know, it's more important to me that you don't see this as punishment, but instead some agreement that you wanna follow through with to see what it's like the next day.

And also, we're just keeping the agreement. If you wanna change the agreement or you want to do something differently, I'd rather you not do this than it feel like punishment. So let me know how you would handle it if you were in my shoes. And what was interesting was that she came back to me later and said, dad, you know, I'm fine not using my iPad.

I understand and I'd like to keep the agreement. But you see that energy is different than, okay, fine. Mm-hmm. And to me that's the key is it's not about, we can get to a way that meets my, and not about being permissive. We're gonna figure out a way to keep agreements or navigate new agreements, but I want her to be doing it because she sees the needs.

It's meeting, not because dad is making her do it. And that sometimes takes a little extra energy and wherewithal to stay in that tension of that place where, Hey, this feels like punishment, but I also don't want to be permissive. How do we navigate that? And what's cool is when they, when you share that with the kids, and especially when I ask her to do what she would do if she was the dad, and she hates when I ask her to do that.

'cause she says it's hard being the deb. But that's the point is that she gets to come at it from a different perspective. And I think that's, as parents, if we can focus on connection, not permissiveness, but connection, we're gonna do ourselves a huge service. 

[00:23:58] Alona Pulde: And I love that. And [00:24:00] in connection and differentiation, you're not taking on water because when she says whatever, it's fine.

It's very easy for that energy to permeate. You as well, you know, for you to take that on. Now you're irritated because why are you getting upset? You broke the agreement and how that can escalate to serious, uh, disconnection, which results in lack of engagement from them, right? From these kids. 

[00:24:35] Matthew Lederman: Right? And that's where, you know, like if I forget to turn on the dishwasher at night, we have an agreement that I'm going to give you a 10 minute massage.

It wasn't a punishment that you're giving me. It was me saying, Hey, I wanna really remember. And if I don't remember, I want you to know that that's how much I care. I'm willing to do a 10 minute massage. It's not that I just don't care. It doesn't matter. Obviously it matters. So it met my need for mattering and consideration.

It was a fun thing. But if I was like, fine, I'll give you a massage, that wouldn't feel good to you. 'cause you don't want it to feel like punishment. And I think with kids, it's not that you're okay with me not putting the dishwasher up either. We can find a way to get all these needs met that don't feel like punishment.

And if we as parents can do that with our kids as much as possible, the first step is just pause and to feel, Hey, I'm co-regulating with her. And when she's like, fine dad, I am feeling the tension too. And I'm like, well, I don't like this. Mm-hmm. So let's put our heads together, let's, let's see if there's another way.

Alright, I'll do the next letter. Okay. You can answer. So the next letter is, I always end up mirroring my child's tantrums instead of helping them calm down. How do I break this cycle? I. 

[00:25:49] Alona Pulde: You know, we, we talk about, I I was stepping into the, yeah. It's so easy. Even if you don't sit down in tantrum with them to go one way [00:26:00] or another, become overwhelmed by the level of upset or turn around and, you know, yell enough, stop it.

Calm down. Either way. Mirroring that upset and responding as such and breaking the cycle really is pausing and it's so hard to do in the middle of a tantrum. Especially if, you know, it's one thing if it happens at home and a totally other thing if it's happening publicly as to how it impacts you and, and how quickly you want it to stop.

But that's where parents can practice outside of specific situations as well. And you know, you, we talked about that in the last episode. We mentioned it a little bit here, but it's really. Finding your ritual and practicing it when you're calm so that you can use that very quickly. You can access that in moments like this.

So for me, when I think about, oh my God, my child's tantruming, my first thing is I'm gonna take a couple weeby breaths before I do anything. And in those weeby breaths, I'm grounding myself. I'm empathizing with myself in this situation, and I'm regulating myself so that I can come to my kid, you know, and that we can figure this out together.

And sometimes just that calm. Is what your child will need to not, not be upset, but at least begin to regulate their own body and bring that tantrum level down to where you can figure out what's going on and maybe find other strategies to address the [00:28:00] upset. 

[00:28:00] Matthew Lederman: So it's, it's really about that self connection and then connection with them versus.

Trying to jump in right away and stop the tantrum. 

[00:28:10] Alona Pulde: It's the self connection and the regulation. If you can be self connected and tense and that is not gonna, you know, it's finding your calm 

[00:28:21] Matthew Lederman: before you do anything with the child. Mm-hmm. So it's, it's counterintuitive to let the kid keep going and unless there's a fear, you know, there's violence or they're gonna get hurt.

It's just uncomfortable Sounds. Assuming they're safe, letting them keep going so that you can regulate your body is so essential and sometimes counterintuitive. 'cause usually when somebody's screaming and carrying on or like, oh my God, this must be really serious. It is an emergency. And knowing that, oh, actually it's not an emergency, is is helpful.

[00:28:54] Alona Pulde: Even in an emergency, if both people are panicking, it's not gonna be a good result. Yeah, that's true. You know, so even if it is an emergency that much more, uh, relevant to find your calm so that you can be effective in your solution. Yeah, 

[00:29:12] Matthew Lederman: yeah, yeah. Good, good. So the, the other letter that I wanted to was, was from somebody who said that they feel really guilty when they lose their cool.

And how do they repair with their child? How do I repair and I wanna bring people's attention about the repair. We have a whole episode on the repair episode three. It's one of our earlier episodes, and the repair is so important. It's such an helpful tool because it takes away the pressure of having to get it right.

We're to this day, as practice as we are, we're getting it wrong so much. And I, you know, putting the word wrong in quotes, that you're just doing the best you can and then you clean up your mess. And that's all this is about. Have the courage to make a mess and the skill to clean it [00:30:00] up and you can create.

So those skills we talk all about in episode three, but it's, it's, you know, acknowledging it, um, and naming it and then working through the impact of it. 

[00:30:14] Alona Pulde: I love that reminder, and I think it's so important because when you start a new practice, you are going to be getting messy. I mean, it's part of learning and perfecting and being able to, to access it almost automatically and with, with kind of a, a default energy is, it's not gonna go well the first couple times.

Or maybe multiple times and you're gonna hone and build the skills like any other muscle. And then over time, but that ability to repair, to be able to say, I'm diving in, it's gonna get messy, and I'm okay with a mess because I know what I can do with that. 

[00:31:01] Matthew Lederman: Yeah. Is really key. Exactly. Exactly make those messes.

If you're not making a mess, you're probably not trying hard enough.

[00:31:13] One Last Thing

[00:31:13] Host: Just one last thing. 

[00:31:16] Matthew Lederman: Parenting isn't about being perfectly calm. It's about showing our kids how to come back to calm together. I. 

[00:31:23] Alona Pulde: Yes. Parenting is not about being perfectly calm. And I love that notion of calm together, how crucial that is. Uh, it's not just you being calm. It's not just them being calm, it's traveling this journey together.

[00:31:41] Matthew Lederman: And that's what I love. You know, we're, again, we're biased about the webe become 'cause we designed it, but one of the reasons we put that, the bracelets in there, there's a bracelet for the parent. There's a bracelet, smaller one for the child, and it's, and it says, we be in this together and it's all about that [00:32:00] bracelet just triggering an awareness, a reminder of, Hey, I wanna show up a little differently.

I wanna show up and become, and the child can show the bracelet to the parent. The parent can show it to the child. It's basically saying, Hey, how about taking a weeby breath? Let's approach calm differently than just yelling. Calm down. 

[00:32:19] Alona Pulde: Well thank you all for listening to our episode today. Please remember to send us your experiences at parents@webetogether.com and please, please leave us a review to help more families find connection.

[00:32:35] Matthew Lederman: Yes. When you subscribe, it really helps us out. So thanks so much. 

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[00:32:42] Matthew Lederman: Please email us at parents@webetogether.com with your own cheers and tears, as well as any questions or stories you'd like to share. 

[00:32:49] Alona Pulde: Thanks again for joining us today, and we look forward to connecting with you next time.