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Sunshine, Sleep, and Science: The Vitamin Truth Nobody Told You

• Michelle Kreft

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The modern medical system has a startling gap in its knowledge—a nutritional foundation so vital that its absence may be responsible for much of our chronic disease epidemic. Dr. Gould, a dentist who suffered from chronic illness until age 48, shares his accidental discovery of the profound importance of vitamin D and the work of Dr. Weston A. Price, whose 1938 nutritional research was largely overlooked by mainstream medicine.

With remarkable clarity, Dr. Gould breaks down how vitamin D serves as a master regulator in our bodies, controlling which bacteria populate our gut microbiome (including those that produce essential B vitamins), managing our immune response, and influencing our sleep cycles. He introduces his concept of the "Foundational Four"—vitamin D3, vitamin K2, magnesium, and sulfur—nutrients he believes are critically deficient in modern diets and responsible for approximately 80% of inflammatory conditions.

The conversation challenges deeply held nutritional beliefs, suggesting that commonly recommended "healthy" foods like boneless chicken breast with salad may actually contribute to health problems through excessive omega-6 fats. Dr. Gould explains how vitamin deficiencies affect children's development, particularly jaw formation and dental health, potentially necessitating orthodontic interventions that might have been preventable with proper nutrition.

Perhaps most provocatively, Dr. Gould reframes our understanding of sun exposure and cancer risk, arguing that melanoma often results from too little sunlight rather than too much—a perspective that contradicts conventional wisdom but aligns with studies showing outdoor workers have lower melanoma rates.

Whether you're concerned about your own health, your children's development, or simply curious about why conventional nutrition advice often fails us, this episode offers a fascinating look at how returning to evolutionary nutritional wisdom might be our best path forward. Ready to question what you thought you knew about vitamins, sunlight, and optimal health? This conversation might just change how you think about nutrition forever.

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Michelle:

Welcome to who's your Mama, a podcast focusing on tomorrow's future, which are our kids, educators, teachers, parents, all encompassing with the goal of understanding that our brain is a muscle that we can exercise to control the speed in the direction that we want. Let's go y'all. The time is now. Dr Gould, welcome back to who's your Mama, thank you. Well, it's an honor and privilege to have you be back here talking about so many different areas that you make a difference in how you incorporate music to teach kids and parents about how the importance of dental health really does the importance of that just for our overall well-being and also overall health when it comes to brain body dentistry. And so I'm going to let you take it from here and get us caught up where we were and where we're going.

Dr. Gould:

Sure, well, just just if you know, this is the first time watching me. So basically, I'm a dentist that suffered from chronic illness most of my adult life to the age of 48 when, by accident, I discovered the importance of vitamin D and I discovered another Canadian dentist like myself who published a book in 1938 called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Very interesting, we're living in a post-conspiracy world right now where information is kind of, you know, being pushed around now, where information is kind of, you know, be pushed around, and I really kind of wanted to highlight where I fit into the grand scheme of things with regard to what I think is the biggest conspiracy that happened is that the work of this guy, dr Weston A Price. His work was never incorporated into the traditional medical world or dental world, and I say it's a conspiracy, it's really, it's tragic. So his information was very different and he was presenting material at the time that was more related to the environment, something called epigenetics, at a time when people really focused on your genes, what skin color you had, and different divisive things about humans.

Dr. Gould:

And here we are almost 100 years later and the information that was really sanitized from all of medicine, including dentistry, is specifically how the vitamins D3 and vitamin K2 really work in our body. So these days, most people have really heard about vitamin D, that it's important. Some people have heard of vitamin K2, although many people think it should be in a multivitamin. But the reason this is so important is we need to think about how our bodies are formed. What we're made of. Our skeleton is made of calcium, right, and the primary job of vitamin D, or one of the primary jobs of vitamin D, is to bring calcium into our body. And then vitamin K2 comes into the picture to take that calcium and to manage it. Where does it go? To get it into your teeth and bones? To be healthy, you need to have vitamin K2. Now this is information that really, even to this date, no traditional medical or dental school in all of North America incorporates into their curriculum, and I had a meeting with my dean of a phone meeting when I was in dental school 40 years ago, and he was semi-interested, didn't recognize the profound nature of what this omission meant. If you don't have vitamin D3 and you don't have vitamin K2, it's really hard to grow a jaw.

Dr. Gould:

So I think that the most important thing that I am going to do, or I'm trying to do, is to really bring this information out into the general public, and that's why you see behind me my posters, my stuff down with my cartoon characters. I want the next generation of kids to be more open and interested in to science and would really I'm trying to utilize music and entertainment and popular culture to get really everyone not just kids, but the parents as well to understand that this is information that everyone should know. But based on the way our, our society is arranged, we're just not getting that information. So what I like to do, if it's cool with you, I'd like to just break down what you know.

Dr. Gould:

What is it about vitamin d that's so important. It's so different than everything else and related to b vitamins and related to people buying vitamins. Everyone now is seeing all these commercials if you watch any tv vitamins, gut, leaky gut, gut health, prebiotics, probiotics. All of a sudden there's an explosion of vitamins and stuff over the internet and it's confusing. You know we've talked many times and you know it's hard to remember. You're saying vitamin D, vitamin B, vitamin C. It's confusing, and just know that this has been my expertise studying this for the last 10 years, and when I go online to buy a vitamin. I have to be careful because, even though I know exactly what I'm looking for, it's deceptive. B vitamins are deceptive a lot of this stuff.

Michelle:

There's no standardization it's not everything's not absorbed the same way, correct?

Dr. Gould:

well, it's not only just that, it's just that. So everyone's heard of a B or maybe you've heard of a B vitamin complex. There are eight B vitamins. We put them all together into one pill and we call that a complex. It could be a super B complex, it could be a B50, b100.

Dr. Gould:

And I'm specifically knowledgeable about this and I go in to look at these and literally it's just like there's everything my current B vitamin that I've been recommending to my patients. Without any notification, they switched it from a B100 to a B complex and they added vitamin C a minuscule amount for no good reason. So and that was the brand that I was using. So it's a confusing thing and I want to pare things down and help people understand. I don't want to take a ton of pills. I already feel like I take too many supplements as it is, but you know these are important. So I want to kind of just really clarify what's the most important thing that you can do for your health and how does it relate to your overall health, how your kids grow, how you stay healthy, if that makes sense right.

Michelle:

Yeah, no, it makes complete sense to me and I think this is an area that is such, has such an unmet need and I'm passionate about your passion, great, great.

Dr. Gould:

So so what I want to people to understand that we have a really important organ in our body it's our gut and it's our gut microbiome, and it's so important because we cannot recreate with these bacteria that we host in our guts do. We just can't. It's too complex, but one of the biggest discoveries and this was not my discovery, it was really brought to my attention by Dr Stasia Gomenek, who I've mentioned before, and she is a neurologist who now works as a sleep coach, and she was the one that I met 10 years ago. That made me understand why my sleep had failed and why I had sleep apnea and what I could do about it, and ever since then, my focus has been trying to put these things together and make it easier for people to understand.

Dr. Gould:

So what's the most important thing I can tell people about vitamin D is that three big things that it does. But the one that no one knows about that's verifiable is that it regulates which bacteria that we host in our guts. So vitamin D will allow specific bacteria to grow, and you really want a specific set of four bacteria in your gut that make all eight B vitamins. This is extremely important because your body to function properly has to have that right gut microbiome. So people who have leaky gut, people who have gastrointestinal issues, like I did for 34 years of my life they don't host the right bacteria and those bacteria are critical in how they communicate with your brain through the gut brain axis. So everyone needs to understand when your vitamin D level drops below a certain level and that level really is 40 nanograms per milliliter, even maybe higher you can no longer maintain the beneficial bacteria that make these B vitamins. The way I like to explain it is you know you've got your car and its engine and you want to protect the engine. You want to put oil in In your body. Your mitochondria is your engine. This is how you produce energy on a second to second basis, and in your body the B vitamins are the oil to the engine. So in every single cell in your body, literally, except for red blood cells, those mitochondria are making energy for you and they can't make that energy even close to the way you really want it without those B vitamins. They're fitting into every single pathway.

Dr. Gould:

Okay, now, aside from this major issue of how to maintain that gut microbiome, now, aside from this major issue of how to maintain that gut microbiome, it also vitamin D also regulates the immune system and sleep, the sleep cycle, and of course, it makes sense that something to do with the sun would have to do with sleep as well. The one that we learned about through COVID is the people with really low vitamin D were the ones who got sick. Those are the people who died. So the immune system one of the primary things that the immune system needs is vitamin D to produce antimicrobial proteins, so literally proteins that kill the bad bugs in your gut and in your body. They need you need vitamin D to make those over 200 antimicrobial proteins that your body's counting on.

Dr. Gould:

So when your vitamin D level goes down, you cannot fight off viruses, bacteria and even if and I see this in my practice people who come in with dental infections. If they have low vitamin D, the antibiotics don't work even close to as well as they do in somebody who is replete with vitamin D, someone who has a really good vitamin D level, and so that's really that's what I want to share with people is that it's not just a matter of oh, I take a multivitamin, it's in there. Sure, there's vitamin D in there, but the devil is in the details. In a multivitamin there's sometimes mostly 600 international units of vitamin D. Sounds like a lot if you, if you google that or if you ask your AI what's the daily allowance for vitamin D?

Michelle:

Ask your AI. This is where we're at now.

Dr. Gould:

That's where we're at. I think that's where we're at this is where we're at.

Michelle:

Do you have a list of? On that non-AI note, do you have a checklist of? For people that are like, okay, I'm resonated with everything that you're saying right now. I'm resonated with everything that you're saying right now. Simplify it for me A list of the vitamins that you've been discussing and how much needs to be taken. That's going to properly. Yes, yeah.

Dr. Gould:

Sure. So keep in mind this is all complex. So in my office here, every time I meet a new patient, I actually give them a written explanation with QR codes to link to my website, to my books, so they can understand that this is important stuff. I don't know what's more important than how you keep your physical health, because this is all we have in this life. So it does require a bit of work, but it's frustrating and it's confusing. So what I would say is that so I hand that out to my patients, but also to anyone who wants to understand a little more detail. They can go to my website. I've got several. Go to my Instagram. My story is modernhuntergathererscom.

Michelle:

Which we'll also post too.

Dr. Gould:

Yeah, modern Hunter Gatherers hunter gatherers which will also post too. Yeah, modern hunter guys, because we have the biology of a hunter gatherer, but we live in the modern world. So we want to become modern hunter gatherers and I really want to encourage people to join their tribe. It's our tribe. We're all human animals on this planet and we need to understand that. To run our biology properly, we really have to respect mother nature, thinking about how our bodies evolved on this planet, why we look the way we do and why we need to take vitamins and minerals.

Dr. Gould:

Now, if you were living out in the wild as a hunter-gatherer, you wouldn't need any vitamins and you certainly wouldn't need to take any vitamin D because you'd be getting it from living outside. So that that's the where everything gets confused. But so, when it comes to the simplicity of what I try to do, I created my foundational four. That's my band, and it consists of vitamin D3. She plays keyboards, vitamin K2 plays bass, magnesium plays guitar and sulfur plays drums.

Dr. Gould:

I call them the foundational four because I believe that these four individual chemical items are the most important and deficiencies in them will result in all kinds of illness and 80% of the chronic inflammatory illness. I think that we see, is caused by not having enough of all four or some variation or version of all those four, and they're critical. Two vitamins, minerals vitamin d3, vitamin k2 regulates your calcium. And then the two minerals, sulfur and magnesium are critical for the chemical formation of the enzymes and the proteins and really the cellular function of your body if I can say I'm sorry to interrupt, I can say magnesium has been incredible with helping my sleep.

Michelle:

I mean all of these that you're mentioning has shifted, for sure, in many areas for my health. But yeah, the magnesium for sure I've seen.

Dr. Gould:

I think magnesium has made it to prime time. A lot of people know you got to supplement your magnesium. When I go through my protocol, most people say, oh, I take that, I take that, but keep in mind there's magnesium in a multivitamin, but just usually a small amount. Sometimes there's a hundred milligrams. So you need to be careful with your vitamins. You need to buy it from a trusted source. I created my own vitamin line because I wanted to know exactly what was in my vitamins. But you can find them online and it's just confusing.

Dr. Gould:

If you take a multivitamin, that's great, but it's not going to provide you with everything that you need. You need to think about the other four uh, the other components that I that I talk about, and specifically with kids and growing kids, this is very important for how their jaw and their airway and how their whole face and the structural components grow. This is really critical, really, from even before conception, all the way through till you become an adult and your body is completely formed. A lack of any of these particular chemical elements is going to be a problem. And now just I'd like you to think about this is that the world that we're in now? We're in a little bit of conflict with what follow the science means what's healthy, our government recommendations and unfortunately you really can't trust anyone, including me. You can trust me to a certain point, but he's on.

Michelle:

Who's your mama? Because I just have. I think he's a trusted source, but I do appreciate the place that you're coming from in terms of be your own patient advocate, do your own research, understand what you're doing, why, when and how.

Dr. Gould:

And it takes work. So the current issues that we're thinking about is the obesity epidemic in children and the autism epidemic, and I believe they're very linked and I believe that it's gonna be very difficult because it's not just one thing that causes this. But I do have my opinions and my expert that I've interviewed on my youtube channel. They all have their opinions and it's gonna be not a fight, but there's gonna be a lot of conflicting information. Just know that that no one is a hundred percent correct and every single person I've ever met who's got a really great take on everything. They have things that I don't necessarily agree with and even people I really respect. So it's normal not to agree with everything and everything that I agreed.

Michelle:

I mean, that's the, that's the beauty of free speech and and sharing of ideas and sticking to science. But there's things outside of science as well, and it's it's having conversations. But at the end of the day, it's your body, your choice, to decide how you want to personalize the longevity of your mind, your body, health.

Dr. Gould:

Right, but. But I want to interrupt you there and say that it's still not clear, because I'm going to tell you that most of my adult life I really struggle with my health, but I also struggle to try and be fit. The information that's out there is quite conflicted. It's just starting to crumble. The idea that saturated fat is actually really healthy for you. It's starting to break through, but it's not that simple, because not all saturated fat, and then when I say saturated fat, most people don't really even know what that means, and that's okay. So, just keeping in mind that this time in history is very unusual, because a lot of the traditional stuff that was being jammed at us is falling away, yes, and many, many. Well, I would say that all my patients want to take care of themselves and every one of them is trying to do their best.

Dr. Gould:

The problem is that the information that we're getting some of it's true, some of it's not. Most of the information I'm providing is completely verifiable, but just keep in mind that even when you think you're doing something, it might be wrong, and one example I'm going to give you is that most people think that a boneless, skinless chicken breast with a salad is the way to go. It happens to be the least healthy meal that you could choose. I know that goes against what most of what people have heard, but chicken is a dangerous food, especially our modern chicken. And salad is dangerous if you're putting regular salad dressing on. They're both filled with linoleic acid, which is an omega-6 fat that we already get too much of.

Dr. Gould:

So here's these people, you know. Someone comes in and I say how, you know? How do you eat? What do you do? What diet do you follow? They go oh, I eat very healthy. And then they'll say, invariably they'll be like oh, you know, lots of salads, lots of salads, lots of boneless, skinless chicken breasts, you know. And steamed brown rice? Don't eat brown rice. It's got all kinds of heavy metal toxins in it. So there's all these details that you really have to go through and choose which influencer you listen to. I've been following a ton of different people and again, I don't agree with all of them. So just knowing that you have to take care of yourself and trying is one thing. So just knowing that you have to take care of yourself and trying is one thing, but most people are making these choices that are ultimately really unhealthy without knowing it, and that's the really hard part and I did it for the majority of my life. I'm probably look back next year and go oh, I was doing these things. This is also wrong.

Michelle:

But when I?

Dr. Gould:

get to pay dirt. I want to get to the basement level, and that's why you see that character behind me, the guy in blue. That's deuterium. Now, science is going to continue to go on, but at a certain point, when the world understands what deuterium is, there is no, there's no more deception, because this is what mother nature does. She has these different chemicals that we know about. They're formed into proteins and that, but ultimately, your body's really paying attention to the subatomic particles, the electrons, protons and neutrons. That's what your body's focused on and that's where we're gonna get to, and that's why I'm in a rush, but not in a rush to share my information.

Dr. Gould:

Five years ago I wanted to put my stuff out there, but really people weren't ready. These days, this is getting to the point. I think, like you're interested in this. And where do we go with our health? Who do we listen to? Do you listen to a dentist who's not even a medical doctor? Maybe you do for most of your material, and you know people say it all the time Well, it sounds good, but he's just a dentist and I'm okay with that.

Michelle:

We've had that we have had this discussion.

Dr. Gould:

Yeah, I want to share my information because I don't want people to suffer like I did. That's, that's why I'm really in this and I really want to share my information to the parents of young kids who are really suffering like I did. I suffered just for no good reason, because of the ignorance of our medical system, our failed medical system, and it's still broken.

Michelle:

But you know, this is a good point in history to start to dig our way out and say what's really important and had very different experiences in terms of you're both active and, but how food affected both of you and how that also affected your weight and and really, like you said, until about 10 years ago, you you woke up to. You know that's. You want to help people. That is the whole point of community and and and and growth in in life, and that's one of the many reasons why I was so passionate and grateful for you coming on here is because if we can set that foundation, it's never too late for adults, but if we can set that foundation even earlier for kids, that's, that's a beautiful thing yeah, even if you take away just a little bit of information hearing me speak, I got a lot of podcasts out there and you know, um it just, this is sort of just.

Dr. Gould:

We just have to keep plugging away at it. Um, the cool part for me is that, having a background in dentistry and especially in pediatrics, is that I'm really excited to be able to get into the next phase of where people are going to understand that how your child's jaw and dentition and airway grow, everything is breaking down because the information that I discovered 10 years ago that's out there. It's not in the mainstream yet, so it's a really cool. It's really cool for me to be able to present this information and be able to make it fun. It is a priority for me because you know again I've said this before no one really wants to hear a crazy guy screaming in a white coat Take vitamins. No one wants that.

Michelle:

So no one really wants to hear anyone screaming in any type of code. So there's that. But you, you really combined your experience, which is your personal growth of passion, with science, and and made it fun and and very streamlined to understand, regardless of what, where you're, where you're at, whether you have a medical background or not, whether you have a child or not. So what would you say, on that note, in terms of, um, the kids, what, at what age do you recommend? Because you talk about the forming of the jaw, and I know I had with my daughter, who's 16 now. Um, she got braces when she was in middle school. They were different. You know I had friends that were doing braces in elementary school. At what point do you recommend incorporating vitamins for kids? When, at what age? And then also that transition to be proactive and preventative.

Dr. Gould:

So before conception, okay. So, dr Weston, my opinion, when moms are getting pregnant, they are not vitamin D replete, they are not in the physical health to have a child that's going to come into this world easily and safely and have all the right chemical mix. So, having said that, I think it's important right from the beginning. These days, when I started out on this journey, nobody was giving vitamin D drops to their babies. It just wasn't being done. And now it's very rare that I have somebody who comes into the office who has a newborn that hasn't been given or told about vitamin D drops. The new addition is vitamin K2. Now doctors are actually some are recommending a D3K2 drop for these infants, which is really important.

Dr. Gould:

Where this comes into play is that as the child's dentition starts to come in, the reason that so many kids are needing braces is because there isn't enough room for all the teeth because of this specific issue. But now orthodontists are having to do two phases of orthodontics. This was not normal, it was very rare back in the old days, but they're having to do a phase at age six to eight, called palatal expansion, to widen the palate, to widen the whole airway, and then traditional braces later on, at age 11, 12, 13. So this is very normal. Two phases of orthodontics. If you want to save yourself and your child, two phases of orthodontics. You really want to monitor their vitamin d3 and their vitamin k2. It's as simple as when they get their blood work done getting a yearly level. No one's's measuring kids' vitamin D level no one.

Michelle:

No, they're not. That's why I wanted to discuss it, because they're not. It's just like I mean, I have an underactive thyroid. You know you have TSH, fine T3, t4. No, actually it's not routine and so just basics like that. Routine and so just basics like that. So this is something that, in your opinion, you'd recommend that parents, when kids get their blood work done, that they also have this done as well.

Dr. Gould:

So we don't take blood on kids for many reasons and that's okay, but if you have a child that's sick and they're already taking blood, I can guarantee you, the majority of the reason why they're sick is low vitamin D.

Dr. Gould:

Your pediatricianian may not believe it and you may not believe it. I'm looking into the camera saying this. You may not believe these things, but acne is caused by low vitamin d. Recurrent tonsillitis is caused by low vitamin d. This is the root cause and, trust me, put it into chat GPT yeah, but it's not on the radar of doctors. So when I see an adult who comes into my office who has acne, it always comes along with us the same symptoms I see. Their tongue is scalloped, they don't sleep.

Dr. Gould:

What do you mean by the tongue is scalloped. So when you wake up in the morning, stick out your tongue and look in the mirror and see if there's indentations into it on the sides. Okay, if you have scalloped tongue and if you go to my Instagram feed, you'll actually see an example of scalloped tongue and what it looks like and how it happens. I have a little video of a newborn whose tongue is thrusting out because there's no vitamin D. So when you wake up in the morning, you see these fresh indentations because your tongue is thrusting forward against your teeth all night long, and the reason is your brain cannot produce the right chemicals because you don't have the right mix. You don't have enough vitamin D. Period. There's nobody who has scalloped tongue, who has a high vitamin D level. Okay, or it'd be extremely rare, so if you have scalloped tongue.

Dr. Gould:

If you have a good vitamin D level, then we have to talk about the B vitamins, because those are the two components. Vitamin D has to be good and then if there are some issues, then you have to add the B vitamins and, like I said, there's eight B vitamins and you want to supplement them if your life isn't perfect, if you're not 100% healthy. So all the way through youth and childhood, this is important. If we could go back in time, there'd be literally probably a massive amount of doctors who were strictly vitamin D experts on learning where it intervenes, how it works, how to dose it. It's extremely complex and there's no money in this for anyone. That's not the way our medical system works. If doctors got paid for prescribing less medication and making sure their patients were healthy, every medical doctor would be a vitamin D expert, like me, everyone. Why? Because this is what goes wrong with our biology. That's where it starts. Yes, there's other things there's microplastics, there's toxins in our environment, kinds of stuff but all of these things really come together in a major chemical that regulates and controls so much of our body. So we're really, we've really been missing out, and that's you know. Back to the scandalous part about this. Hopefully, myself and other doctors who are really passionate about this are going to bring this information up. But it is complex. If you really want to know the details, read my book.

Dr. Gould:

Listen to some of my podcasts with Dr Stasia Gomenek. You know it's some interesting stuff. I my favorite podcast was called Escape Permanent Winter and that was the first time I interviewed. That was really the first time I did a podcast where I was just so fascinated by the, the conversation that we had and we took the time to lay it out how humans evolved outdoors, without clothing, hats and sunscreen, naked and barefoot in equatorial Africa.

Dr. Gould:

The sun regulates our bodies to avoid it. It's bad news anyone who says I get this all the time, oh, I don't go in the Sun because my uncle had melanoma. Really that's unfortunate that people think that way, because melanoma itself is a result of too little sun exposure, not too much. So I'll say that again melanoma is a result of too little sun exposure, not too much. I may have mentioned on the previous podcast. You can check with your AI, but it's true. Studies show people who work outside have much lower rates of melanoma well, it's interesting because, without disclosing too much just because I want- to be a little bit but I well, no, my, well, no my.

Michelle:

It runs in my family. Melanoma squamous basal cell.

Michelle:

So, but I have, I've never had and I get, I just am preventative mindset. That's, that's me. So I have never had even so much as a mole removed, right, had even so much as a mole removed. So it's interesting because I mean, I've always tried to be conscious when I'm outside, but I also grew up in the south and I live in California, so it's it's not as if I haven't been out in the Sun, done and any of that. So, uh, I do know, I do believe that there are different, uh, well.

Dr. Gould:

So listen, I want to kind of interrupt you and say that I don't believe that cancer is genetic. I did a podcast with a dr, thomas seyfried. It's called cancer is a metabolic disease and I think it was a good interview. He's done many interviews. The entire idea that they're doing all these genetic therapies they can work, but the root cause of cancer isn't genetic. If you say my uncle had melanoma, it does not put you at higher risk unless you mirror your uncle's behaviors of staying inside and not getting any sunlight. So just keep that, keep in mind. That is. And the minute that cancer is mentioned, you know the idea that I should dare say you know, and we discussed this I already had one basal cell carcinoma removed from my face. Yeah, because I lived my whole life at low vitamin D. Vitamin D is your cancer and tumor sensing hormone. If you don't have vitamin D in your body, your body doesn't recognize cells that are going bad, and you could look that up on AI. That's how it works.

Michelle:

Constant reference to AI. This is where we're at in society is that is because you have people like yourself that are so knowledgeable in so many areas, and it's the new and and I'm not, you know, I'm not laughing at you, but it's it's just interesting to me that it's like the new web MD. But but this, these sort of conversations, are incredibly important and impactful.

Dr. Gould:

Yeah, yeah, you know and and we're. This is the world that we're in and and you know, I I'm not trying to say the doctors are wrong. I'm just trying to share my information. I believe they're wrong and I believe that I suffered for no good reason other than the way the medical system works and we're still in that paradigm. So we're not out of it yet.

Dr. Gould:

But just the awareness and and people are starting to understand that you can't necessarily trust your doctor. Even though they may be a fantastic, kind, caring person, they just don't have the information that's required to keep you healthy. They really don't. Okay, and I say that to any doctor out there, you can disagree with me, but a lot of the things I've said they're verifiable and I don't. You know, I just want to share my information and anyone who's open to it that's great. If you disagree, send me an email, contact me on Instagram.

Dr. Gould:

Let's have a debate on this, and I think that we've learned recently that having an open discussion and not having anyone shut down one side of a conversation is critical for fairness, for health, for wellness. If you shout someone down and quiet them, nobody has any advantage. I want to hear both sides. Someone wants to argue with me about the things that I'm saying. I'm open to that conversation. I am not a cancer doctor and I don't treat cancer. I want people to think about cancer differently and think that why would I have squamous cell or basal cell carcinoma so young? Well, a whole life of sunburns and low vitamin d wearing sunscreen. I believe sunscreen causes cancer and that's the whole.

Michelle:

That's the whole thing is having an open discussion about sharing in areas. Which we're talking about is body, mind, oral health from Dennis, but has but your, your scope of understanding is so broad and and I really thank you for taking the time and an investment that you do for for patients, for kids, to make things exciting through your, through your music and your cartoons and and all of it and um, thank you yeah, you got it well, I'm just you know.

Dr. Gould:

Hopefully, hopefully I can continue to share the message. I appreciate any exposure that I get. If any of you are any people watching this, if you want to have a conversation I take questions all the time. So thank you for allowing me to have the exposure and and even really just the practice and opportunity to share how I want to communicate my message.

Michelle:

Thank you so much, dr Kuhlman. Thank you for tuning in to who's your Mama, and I look forward to collaborating from a community standpoint for the next episodes.

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Michelle Kreft

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