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Couples Hiding Bank Accounts; Counting Before Meals; How to Negotiate for a Win; Dungeons & Dragons Cures Anxiety; Why Goats Make Great Pets; Become a Wind Turbine Technician for $$

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In this episode we discuss:

Hidden Bank Accounts

Counting to ten before meals can lead to weight loss. Including, mindfulness and rituals like saying grace. 

The concept of "parallel play" in relationships

The effectiveness of open-ended questions in negotiations

The therapeutic use of Dungeons and Dragons for anxiety. 

The rising demand for wind turbine technicians.

The rising popularity of goats as pets, 

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John, welcome to the podcast. John Cheshire, Gib, Gerard, we got great stuff for you. Today. We're going to start off with some relationship stuff. Gib, because we can all use relationship stuff. Who can't? Yeah, we all just need a little bit of a boost. Yeah, it's interesting how your relationship changes over every 10 years it does. So here's a crucial I don't think it's every 10th, every 10 years you look up and you realize it, it's changing. It's constantly in flux. So this is stuff you're gonna be able to use, folks, here's a crucial piece of Intel. If Do you have a bank account, yes, or a credit card or two, you keep secret from your significant other? Oh, absolutely not. Okay, absolutely no. According to a report from credit cards.com One out of four people who are either married or living with a partner admit to having this a secret account. In a recent survey, 31% of people think that hiding accounts is a form of infidelity, as bad as cheating physically and therapists agree so. Family Therapist Kate Levinson, has weighed in on this, as it's fine to keep your account separate, as long as both of you know how much money is coming in, where it's kept and how it's being spent. Sure, having a secret account that your partner knows nothing about it can signal that you're not fully committed to the relationship. That's the message that you're sending, says the therapist, many people say they have secret accounts because they don't see eye to eye about financial issues and about spending. Okay, okay, okay. Maybe you don't, and you don't have to always see eye to eye on every situation, but you got, you have to communicate about it. You have to have the conversation about where your values are and where your partner's values are otherwise, otherwise it's going to be a different level of conflict later on. So absolutely not, not a good excuse to not to not be transparent about it. Now I will go and say that I definitely buy things, and really hope that that nobody looks at the account to see what, how expensive what I just bought was, but I, but I, but she has access. She can see it all right. And I think that's I think that's, I think that's important. I think there's a difference you want to be I also, I also like, so they, I referee some soccer games, like, most of the time I'm volunteering, but there's a handful of games where they pay me and they pay me in cash. And I also, when we go on the road, I get, I get per diem and stuff when we're on the road that comes in in the form of cash. And I will say that I do not, I do not abide by any form of accountability now I spend that cash that's good, yeah? So, like, they call that fun money or something, like, I'm getting extra guacamole on my Chipotle this week because I wrapped a couple extra soccer games. I feel okay about that, but no, the secret accounts that we you can't do, yeah, we actually, when we we went through when COVID, I went through premarital counseling, we came up with a number that one one person could spend and and didn't even have to talk to the other person, right? And so I've blown through that one synthesizer, one synthesizer, yeah, exactly. But, but what happens, though, is that with one of them, with one of my credit cards, she gets an alert every time, yeah, oh, I have that, yeah, yeah. And there's actually another part to this too, right? Is now that you can't go well, now that most of us will will shop online, right, you know, and have the Amazon boxes come to the house is, you know, it's like, Okay, what's this box? Right? Or you try to time the box, you know, you have a funny look on your face. I mean, I literally did this yesterday. So I coach my son's baseball team, and I may have bought some baseball equipment, and baseball equipment for those of you that don't have kids to play baseball or play baseball yourself, it gets expensive, yeah? Sorry, because everybody wants it, yeah. So I may have ordered a couple of things, including a portable pitching mound. And thankfully, I got home last night before she did, so I was able to, like, okay, I can just put this with the baseball stuff and she won't notice the one or two things that I've added to the pile that won't get through. So I definitely did that literally, unless that's for your kid, though, that's fine, yeah, I'm gonna prove that you're gonna approve it. I thought your approval that I'm worried about, and she doesn't listen to podcasts. Yeah, I'll just send her the link. Nope, nope. No, we have to protect each other. There we go. All right, so that's that don't, don't have a secret card, unless you want to ruin your relationship. So this is the this right here is the latest from Harvard University research on a an unusual way to lose weight. So the researchers, after testing all kinds of weird stuff, they found something very weird. They found that people who closed their eyes and counted to 10 before they started a meal, consumed significantly fewer calories, less fat and less sugar at your house. That would be because one of the kids stole your food or it spilled something, and I had to go clean it up. And so I didn't really get to count to 10. I was just forced to wait right as a result, these people lost two pounds on. Month without changing anything else. It turns out it's because counting to 10 became a pre meal ritual. And rituals tend to stimulate the part of the brain responsible for self discipline, so it makes makes it easier to muster your your willpower to to eat less. They say that that saying grace before the meal will also help. So any ritual that brings your mind into whatever it is that you're doing is going to improve mindfulness and is going to make you more aware of what you're doing. We have said this on every platform that we have, over and over and over again. One of the biggest, one of the biggest killers, in terms of consuming too many calories that we have going for us lately in this part of civilization is the mindless eating, right? And by the way, I say this as a person who absolutely engages in this, like, if I'm alone, I'm watching television or a movie while I'm eating dinner by myself, I am watching I'm watching a show on my phone when I'm eating lunch, like I do this. We know it's bad for us, and we know that we end up consuming, I think it's something like 30 or 40% more calories when we do when we do this, what any kind of ritual, whether it's grace, closing your eyes for 10 minutes, just focusing on your breath before you start to eat, even just looking and taking a picture of your food, all that does is it brings you in to a state of awareness of what you are doing. And when you're aware, you're more in tune with your body, your body telling you that you've had enough to eat and you're gonna you're gonna eat fewer calories. Anything we can do to improve mindfulness, anything we can do that improves a presentness to what we're doing is going to make us it's gonna allow our natural functions to work in our favor instead of against us. I love it. So whether you're driving or or sitting down to a meal, or getting ready to talk to your spouse, or getting ready to talk to your kids, whatever that thing is that you do, don't have a screen in your face, or don't have anything going on that's going to distract you from that moment. So count to 10 before the meal begins, and you will you'll lose weight. So we had, we had another study on this a few years back, and one of the recommendations from one of the experts, a different expert was, was to order a, you can order them on Amazon. Order a heavy fork or heavy, heavy silverware, right? So they actually make this silverware that is, I don't know, like, 10 times heavier than your normal fork. Yes, absolutely. So I ordered one, right? And, and, you know, you're like, You got tendonitis from, you know, from eating oatmeal, oatmeal elbow. Yeah, it but, but what happened was, on the on the order form on Amazon, you know, when it gets the recommendation and choices you might also like, it also offered me a vibrating fork and, and I thought, why not? It was just another $3 and if I just ordered the vibrating fork alone, it would have been $12 oh my gosh, you lose money by not buying the vibrator. 30 pound fork is what it felt like, and the vibrating fork, they came at the same time. So when the heavy fork was just too irritating, I just ended up building larger muscles and ate more congratulations on one side of my body, something like Popeye on my right side, you know. But the vibrating fork was interesting because you it's, it's, it's set to, like, two minutes. So you push the you push the button, and then and you right, if you, if you take a bite right that you push the button with your thumb, and you have to wait until the fork vibrate. That's cool. So it's almost like the vibrating toothbrush, it shows you which, which quadrant to going, oh, yeah, I have one of those. Yeah, yeah. It didn't work. I mean, I mean, it vibrated. But it was like, people thought I was because I took it into, I took it to restaurants. Well, that's I take a bite and I sit there, and then it would always startle me, because it was a real big vibration. Oh, so I looked like Kramer from Seinfeld eating at a restaurant, you know? Okay, well, I mean, there's all kinds of great stuff you could do. You know, people. Did you know that people have had their mouths wired shut to lose weight? Yes, back in the day, back in the 60s, people would wire their mouths. Should they go to the dentist? Said, Can you wire my mouth shut so I can all have a liquid die so I can only leave room for a straw. I mean, people look gastric bypass is an incredibly invasive people are doing that make my stomach smaller so I can't overeat. It is and gadgets and surgeries aside, what the fork is training you to do is to eat, is to eat more slowly and more mindfully. So it's telling you, okay, wait this long between bites. Give your your stomach a chance to tell your brain that you're full. Otherwise, you're going to keep eating, and you're going to eat, you know, 20 or 30% more than your body actually needs, because the signal takes that long. I love the idea that somebody invented this, by the way, and I love the innovativeness. I just think you could also do, like a timer on your phone or any number of other options that would help you with this. Oh, this is really interesting, because I just as you were just talking, I just put, because I haven't done this in a while, I put heavy fork into Amazon, yeah, and so it's and this is really, this is awesome. This is helpful. So weighted utensils for people. With tremors or Parkinson's Parkinson's patients, it makes easier for them to eat. Yeah, there's a little more stability. I've also seen one with like a gyroscope that stabilizes it so your, your the handle and the and the the tines of the fork are separated by a gyroscopic hinge. Wow, as you, as you shake the actual fork, or the or the spoon will stay still because the hinge will will stabilize for your body movement. So there's a lot of that's that's a really useful innovation. You're vibrating forks. Just seems that's a joke. Seems a little ridiculous. Yeah. So there's a company called vincere silverware. We believe in stability and independence. So independence for people and well, with with disease, right? But also people in senior homes who have who, because they live so long, you get a little, get the shakes and you don't have some nobody else has to feed you. There you go. Wow, that's really cool. We just discovered that together, didn't we? All right, there we go. Okay, so back to more relationship stuff, let me, let me get your opinion on this. There's something that we're supposed to be practicing. It's in our relationship. It's called parallel play. It's the secret to a strong relationship, according to psychiatrist Dr Amir Levine, now, parallel play, she says, is when couples regularly have activities they do separately, but in the same room. Yeah, I have a feeling you and your wife do this. Yes, yeah. So, for example, one partner reads while the other one watches TV or works on a hobby. It's like when he's a good example, it's like when two dogs are both chewing on toys side by side. Right? Now, you have that picture in your head. They're not interacting with each other, but they're comforted by each other's presence. So Dr Levine says parallel play is something we normally encourage with kids, because it's proven to help Toddlers Learn to become social and to share. Dr Levine says time spent in parallel play for adults can signal our attachment level that predicts how happy and secure we feel in our relationship. That's parallel play. So I watched this developmental stage in my kids, and then when, when they move from parallel play into interactive play. Is, is, is a sign of maturity. So you watch it in kids, and you see them go from, I have to take whatever the other person has, because I need to. I need to build my own right. I need to hoard my own stuff to I can let you know I can let little Billy play with his toy while I'm next to him playing with mine, and then eventually they find a way to play together. These are the developmental steps that the preschool is looking for to get them ready for kindergarten. But it's also, like you said, it's a sign of a really healthy relationship. So if you can be with your partner in the same room, doing separate things, also a good friendship, like I, you know, my best friends are people. We can sit there and watch a ball game together and not talk very much, yeah, or we can, you know, one of us can be working on something while the other one's making coffee, and you talk a little bit, but it's really about it's the person that you can sit in the room with and be quiet and not feel the need to fill the space, and not feel the need to give them 100% of your attention, that's the person that you're probably the closest to. So it's a really good sign of intimacy. You know, you're absolutely right. I'm smiling because have you ever, like, been with somebody who feels like they need to fill that space? I do have a lot of people in my life like that. I have a friend, I mean, and not just, not just fill the space, but fill the space with stuff that's just personal and relevant to them. That's the worst. Okay, yeah, I'm thinking of a handful of people. It's not just one. I know you're thinking of one, yeah, I got many. That's so what's the opposite of parallel play? Uh, intrusive play, I don't know, asymmetrical play, yeah, something like that. Perpendicular play. Gonna jump into your life and ruin it? Yeah. We give a lot on our radio show. We give a lot of advice from from hostage negotiate. Negotiators. Oh, yeah. Nobody talks people down like, right? And what's happened is a lot of these men and women who are expert hostage negotiators, and they were just trained for years with this, watching video of hostage negotiations and going to school for this and become experts, and then they get retired and they become relationship experts, because it's the same thing, right? So there are Alexandra Carter from Columbia. She became a Columbia Law School professor, right? And she says she teaches about negotiating words. And she says, whether you're negotiating a raise or quote asking for more help around the house, she says, Try starting every negotiation next time with these two words, okay, tell me, oh yeah, as in, tell me what you need to make this happen. She says, the most successful negotiations never start with closed questions that require a simple yes or no answer, because if you say, Can I get a raise, and your boss says, Nope, that's the end of the conversation. But for example, if you ask your boss, tell me how I can earn a promotion, it gives your boss a chance to. Share their expectations, and you'll come away with concrete steps. This is good. So Carter says the tactic works for any type of negotiation. Could be with your landlord or your romantic partner. Research shows that in 93% of negotiations, when you ask questions that start with the words tell me you'll get better results than asking questions that trigger one word, yes or no, answers, yes, what you're what you're doing, anything open ended is always going to be better for your relationships. Yes or No, questions are they also give the other person an opportunity to shut you out. They are themselves restricting, but they also allow the other person to be more restrictive, if you can ask open ended questions and get them thinking. This is the other trick that's not in this, in the story, but I know this from all of the hostage negotiators we've talked about. You get people thinking about the positive outcome, and when they think about the positive outcome, they already start to associate you with the positive outcome. Tell me how I can get the promotion, and then that person is forced to visualize you with the promotion. You've done half of the neuro linguistic programming already where they're already starting to imagine you in the more successful version of yourself. That's good, and they're going to expect to see that. That's going to be true in your relationships too. Tell me how I can better meet your needs and help you feel more comfortable around me. That conversation starts your partner thinking about how their needs will be met by you, which is, in and of itself, the you know, half the battle of of relationship conflict, all of a sudden they're seeing you as the solution, not the problem anymore. Those kinds of open ended questions are huge for for getting this, not just open ended questions, though. So make sure that you're asking the open ended questions with a positive bent. The other person is forced to talk about you actually meeting their needs. You know, there's a It's interesting being you know a boss. I've been in situations before where you know people, where you're working for us and and when people come and ask for for what I try to do is, is, is, is, if you can give people a raise before they ask, right for two reasons. One is you're showing appreciation. The other is, you're probably gonna get them less than whatever. Don't tell anybody. No kidding, but, no but, but I've had, I've had situations where people wanted to ask for a raise, you know, years ago and they was something like so you wouldn't be willing to give me a raise, would you you're asking with the negative? Yeah. Oh man, be careful with that. Don't leave with the negative. Yeah, it doesn't have, you don't have to be overconfident about it, you know. Be like, give me more money, you know, Jerko, you but you, you have, you have to put, you have to frame yourself in the positive light. I feel that I've done a lot recently, in the last quarter or two, to deserve, at the very least, a cost of living, raise, and, I think, a promotion. And it doesn't have to be, you don't have to be full of yourself. You can just say and you can also frame it like we just told you. Tell me if I haven't met those expectations, tell me what additional things I could be doing or how I could additionally meet your expectations in order to justify this. That's a huge again, you get some thinking about the positive if you if you get to think about the negative, you're giving them the reason to say, No. Get them thinking about the positive. About the positive, so that they they now they want to give you the right or come and or I like people who show up with, like, presentations, like, even on your iPad. You know, anybody can do that, like can, but now you love, I love that stuff. It's so impressive to me. Where, where you say, say, Hey, I've come up with three ways that I think we can generate more and more. Here the bullet points in here's a video I've had on YouTube. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It doesn't take much for me, just a little YouTube video. And I'm like, Wow, you're really, you know how to work YouTube. Anything. Here you go. Raise city. Uh, we've talked about Dungeons and Dragons before, right? I haven't, I haven't, uh, ever played it, but, but it's from the 1970s apparently, right? Yeah, it's role playing game. And where did you Where did you play? Did you play it on PlayStation? I didn't know it's, it's a board game. I don't they have some online versions that you can do, but, but look, the real value in it is the storytelling. It's an open ended, open world game, board game that existed before we had open world games on video games. Okay, this is why I bring it up, because therapists are now using Dungeons and Dragons to treat the game, to treat anxiety and not real. Dungeons and Dragons to teach, sounds bad, to teach anxiety, to treat anxiety and depression, and what makes it effective at boosting mental health is Anthony bean is a therapist and founder of geek therapeutics. Interesting, says the social aspect of D and D, I guess, as it's known, yeah, can only be played with other people. Yep, that helps ease depression by providing a sense of community, and therapists are being trained to use dungeon and dungeons and dragons in group therapy sessions. There's also so the problem solving aspect, okay, yeah, so thinking about the best way to fight a dragon, for example, helps them consider new ways to overcome their own mental health, like their fight their demons, their monsters. Yeah. Yes, so they are, they are metaphorical demons that will help you fight your metaphorical demons, or they are artificial demons that'll help you fight your metaphorical ones. The the the thing about it is it's coordinated play, and it's open ended, right? So you have to work with your your partners, with your teammates, to solve to get through the dungeon, to defeat the monsters, to defeat the demons, all of these things. And in doing so, you you tell a story. So Jon Favreau, a director that you and I have met, directed so many Iron Man. Iron Man's a Thora, the new jungle books, all of that stuff. Wrote swingers with Wow, yeah. So, I mean, he obviously, he understands stories that, but He is quoted his his youth spent playing Dungeons and Dragons with his understanding of story, his understanding of story development and drama and tension and all of those things and how they make him a better storyteller. As a storytelling professional everything, whether you're raising money for a business, or you're doing you're in sales, or you are a professional storyteller in film, television, radio, wherever, all of it is storytelling and uses the same basic dynamics. And practicing with Dungeons and Dragons is going to make you more successful, and even just telling your own story in therapy, all of that is useful. Dungeon dragons has gotten a bad rap for a couple of reasons. One is there was a big move in the 80s where they thought that everything was satanic for a little while, and Dungeons and Dragons got dragged down by that. And then there were a couple of films that involved like Dungeons and Dragons coming to life and pulling kids into the game. So that combination kind of gave it a stigma interesting, but it really is a fantastic way of learning about storytelling, and a great way for people to we talked earlier about parallel play. It's a great way to get into coordinated play, because you're playing against these people, you're playing with them and trying to solve the quest together. Wow, therapists using Dungeons and Dragons for therapy sessions. Question for you, are you one of those people I don't think you are. Are you one of those people who doesn't want anybody doesn't want anybody to touch the food on your plate? Yeah, really I am. I had to get over it. I am one of those people, but I no longer enforce that part of myself, right? Is it part of me? It's like my appendix. It's just sitting there, kind of dead, but it might, at the wrong point, get inflamed, and then it'll explode and kill me. So what was it? Wow. So what was a scenario where somebody would take the food off your plate, or I'll give you the grossest one, I'll give you the one that, if when I think about now still makes me mad, but I again, I have kids now who do the same thing. I have gotten over it after all of these years. I was dating my wife at the time. I mean, at the time she was I was dating her. We got burritos, and she reached over, put her fingers in and grabbed a chunk of something out of my burrito to eat the chunk of the thing, like it was a piece of chicken or something. And I was like, that's, that's, I can't even finish this burrito. So disgusting, right? So you think, of course, oh yeah. I was like, stop. Did she find that what? She was like, what? What's the big deal. I was like, Don't do that. And then, and so, like, she didn't really stop. I got over it. And then when we had kids, I had to really because, I mean, I got, I have a kid, my kids will just come up, grab out of my arms, sneeze in my face while I'm in the middle of eating. I have to just live with this nice job. Well, there isn't. The reason I bring it up is this, there's this new thing called not new thing. It's called courtship feeding. It's about sharing food and closeness. There's a study in the Journal of frontiers in psychology. These guys study everything. Sharing food increases our interpersonal closeness, they say. And if you physically share the food by offering a slice of pizza to your partner or putting half the sushi roll on their plate, not taking it over your it makes the giver of the food like the like the recipient more other way around too. So the whole thing goes back to human infancy, apparently. So this will be good for you, basically offering a baby food through breast feeding or bottle feeding. It's one of the earliest behavioral and biological interactions between a parent or child, and we never forget that, even if we don't consciously think about it. So when somebody offers you food, shares their food, or makes you food, you feel loved and nurtured in a very basic and primal sense. Absolutely, that's sharing food. That's not taking food off. Yeah. So again, if we're choosing to share food, and again, at this point, I like that, like I said, it is a vestigial organ within myself that I have had to push down, like a lot of emotional needs that will eventually blow up and kill me. But for now, I just live with it. Offering like so last night, we had a school event, and there was pizza, and I had a bite of pizza. My 10 year old daughter was near me, and I gave her a bite, and then I took a bite, and then vice versa, when she had a slice of pizza. This is the same with me. That was fine the fingers in my food while I'm eating it, yeah, still gives me, makes me uncomfortable, and also still happens to this day, and that's the part that's gonna explode on me. Eventually. You've made progress. I have. It's what is it called immersion therapy, but I've lived in a. Version therapy with three kids. Okay, two more pieces that you guys will be able to use for conversation starters. The first one is that the most in demand job right now is not a nurse or a teacher. It's wind turbine service technician. This is from Business Week job job postings for wind farm technicians have grown six times six fold in the last few years, faster than any other occupation, and jobs are predicted to grow by 45% every year. Coming in second are nurse practitioner jobs, which is a nurse who's qualified to treat patients without the direct supervision of a doctor. That's actually great. Yes, they can prescribe medication, but let me go back to the wind turbines. A wind turbine technician, can make $80,000 a year without a college degree. If you have a fear of if you're heights, it's not the job for you. If you have a fear of heights or vertigo, it's not the job for you. Understatement, training can we're ready. Training can include rappelling off a water tower or lugging 50 pounds of gear 300 feet in the air, because the job entails climbing wind towers to install, inspect or repair equipment. It's the, again, it's the fastest growing occupation, sure. I mean, look, there's a certain danger and adventure element, and it is, you know, the as as wind infrastructure, it becomes more prevalent, and some of the older stuff ages, ages out that has to be maintained and inspected, and people have to climb up and do this stuff. There are tons of videos of people online where it goes well, and they show you the amazing views that they have and how they are able to maintain these, these, you know, the windmills. And then there are the videos of them going bad, that are equally terrible, that are as positive as the one is. They are terrifying when they go bad. But, and there's also, like, there's these radio towers that have that have the lights on the top for airplanes, and they're so high up that they the people make, you know, 510, even$15,000, just to change the light bulb one time, wow, every six months. Wow. So they just that one climb. But you see, you watch, you watch it. It takes, like, a day, all day, and the weather has to be right. And, and you see, when they're up there, like, oh yeah, there's only a handful of people to be willing, yeah, and lost goes and don't, don't use an LED light. You know, your last like five months. All right, okay, so last thing, if you are not a dog, but let's say you're allergic, right? You're not a dog person or a cat person, you're allergic to both. Really, I'm mildly allergic to dogs I live with. I deal with that. I'm extremely allergic to cats, like I can't be in the room. Of course, you have, you have Leroy that goes over the house, okay, but you might be a goat person. This is becoming very Yeah, I've seen people with pet goats. They're awesome, really. They're relatively clean. They they if you have your if you have enough land, they actually help you maintain your yard. You know, more than this than I do. A study from Queen Mary University in London said, if we just gave goats a chance they could be man's other best friend. The researchers say goats have the same capacity to bond with humans the way puppies do by looking into humans eyes. I don't think I'd like that when there's there's there not is non threatening eye contact, the bonding hormone oxytocin is released in both the animal and the human. The behavior is called directed gazing, and domesticated horses do it, as well as Leroy the dog and other dogs. This study is the first to observe the same behavior in goat. They'll they'll gaze into your eyes. Oh, so Okay, so this reminds me of a couple of things. So one is, I've seen people with pet goats, and they seem extremely happy. Just keep in mind that they get to a certain size, which is probably big, like Leroy, is way smaller than a goat. So you have to understand that they're not going to eat. You can't go to, can't go to Petco and get goat kibble. You gotta have, you know, you gotta have the regular grass to give your goat. That's one two. So you gotta, you gotta know what you're getting yourself into. So that's one two. If, if eye contact with a goat bothers you well, and you like horror and, or you like horror movies and, or you actually want to get a goat, do not watch the horror movie which W, it's like, V, V, I, T, C, H foods, which just don't do that. What is it? Well, it's a story of like a family in the woods in Massachusetts, and they're haunted by something. This movie's like, you know, 1015, years old. Who's gonna give it away? It's the goat. The goat is, the goat is demon, yeah, yeah. So don't, if you don't watch that movie and get a pet goat or or do watch that movie and just stick with your dog or cat. Wow, the goat after that movie is gonna make you really uncomfortable. Well, isn't it true, though, that if you give like, you know, it's if you give a family a goat, it can take care of the whole family with food. And yeah. So this is not like in suburban Ohio. You have to give the goat to like, somebody who has land, and that just like a random suburb, you have to have land, but yes, with the milk. Yeah. And the and eventually, the meat, goat cheese too. Yes, very healthy. You can't you there are, like any kind of livestock animals, you have to look at them. And, I mean, if you're if you're doing this, so if you have a goat based business, you don't necessarily have to look them in the eyes and bond with them. Based business selling the cheese and the milk, although don't they also use them for brush clearance. They do. Yeah. So again, you might make your job easier, but it's not as important. That's very different from column B, which is the pets, which is what we've been talking about up until now. So if you're if you're looking to earn money with animal husbandry, with via the goat, look them in the eyes. Don't look them in the eyes. Just make sure they're producing their milk and eating the and eating the grass. But if you would just like the family pet to be a goat, they can bond with you. A lot of options with goats. We got, I'm gonna get you in a goat by the end of the day. I got options Well, and what if you what if you order that? What if you order a mountain goat and the darn thing keeps climbing up onto your house, you're seeing those things, yeah? Do they have little suction cups on their hooks? Is that? Right? That's how they do that, yeah? So they, it seems to defy physics, but they actually have extra force that holds them. That's interesting. So why aren't they more popular as pets? Okay, somebody is, somebody's in the market for a Bijon freeze, a or a Y Moran is not going to come home with a goat. Okay, so I'm sorry, I'm asking too many questions, but who wins? Because we have coyotes all over the place, who wins between a goat and a coyote? I mean, I'm pretty sure, but in Jurassic Park, the goat was eaten by the T Rex. That's a T rex is not a coyote. My guess is, if you got one lone goat with the coyotes, yeah, you're you're losing the goat for trouble, yes, but if you have a herd, the goats might be able to properly defend themselves from the coyote. Okay, we are really off the rails. We're not really, because I'm really interested in this. How much does it cost to buy a goat? You guys can tune out anytime you want, because I'm just getting good information. Here are you trying to buy a goat like Oxfam, to buy it for somebody else, you try to actually have built a goat business. Okay. Oh, okay. So here is livestock market.com Yeah, you can get a purebred Nigerian dwarf Goat, goat for that's gonna be, that's gonna be, stay small, that one's the ones that just adorable. $600 for a goat, yeah, or three, 352, yeah. There's a full size one for six, for $700 Okay, so again, because it's a livestock animal, it has a certain amount of marketplace intrinsic value that a that, say, like a Boston Terrier or French Bulldog does not have. I'm gonna have to get bone up on but you got to get a couple of goats, because you have the coyotes in the mountain lions. Eventually, you're just going to have this service where you're feeding mountain lions by accident. Now I'm thinking of Christmas presents for the staff. Everybody gets goat Well, look, I have to get, I have to get up on the on the nomenclature here, because there's, this is a sweet two by two Venus Fly Trap, purebred Nigerian dwarf. I guess these are used. I don't want to know your definition of a used goat is. There's a winning streak our sugar maple purebred. Someone's actually going to comment on this, because I don't know if some of those might be their names. It's hard to tell from this website, okay, but isn't it a great website? It is a great website. Maybe we should do a little bit more of our how to find the right goats. Okay, well, we'll dig into this. We'll dig in. Wow. Thank This is fantastic. Follow up episode about how, like, you got to go. You named it. You fell in love with it. Yeah, I want, I want to go with the suction cup feet. I don't know that you I think there's a, there's a heart, like, they have the horns and stuff like, that's like the big horn sheep. They hit you. Oh, you know, my, my, my nephew, Jimmy, right? He he has two. He has two of something that run, run into each other and hit each other. Romney, their name, Romulus and Remus. There's goats, rams. What I'm not, I'm not familiar with, with what Jimmy's catalog of livestock is off the top of my head. There's shorter and they run at each other. So those could be rams. He might have a herd of sheep that he has, and he needs the males around to maintain his herd. It might be too male lives in this city. I don't I don't know the details. Why are we? How did I become the goat expert? All of a sudden, you are I just own a couple of people with goats. They seem nice. And I saw the word Yeah, if you get an All Black Goat, I'm gonna have a hard time. You do hear that sound? It's people tuning out, unsubscribing. Thank you for joining us for the podcast. I probably have more fun than any of people. This is exciting. I'll be back next time to talk about which goat I decide on, okay, you get a goat. What do you mean if we're gonna post it on social media? Oh, you're on your goat. Okay? Forgive for walk, forgive Gerard of John Tesh. We'll see you next time you.

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