Transformation Tuesday: Dopamine Hijacking

On this episode of the podcast we are giving you a sneak peak at our Transformation Tuesday webinar.

This week we talk about motivation, goals and dopamine hijacking.

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Gib. Hello and welcome to another episode of the podcast. I'm Gib Gerard. Today we are giving a little sneak peek into what we call transformation Tuesday. That is a live webinar that we do once a week on Tuesdays, we'll take questions. We put together all kinds of information with experts that we quote regularly on the radio show. We bring some of their clips to you, and we live DJ them for you. You can find out more about transformation tuesday@tesh.com but here is this week's transformation Tuesday without further ado. Me and John Tesh, good morning and welcome to transformation. Tuesday, one of our favorite days of the week. I love I do too, if I'm ever, if I've ever had a convoluted weekend. I mean, how many games did you referee this weekend? I only Reft. I ended up roughing. Well, sort of two, three and a half, three and a half games. How do you remember a half a game? What happened was, it was I did on Saturday, I did Club Games, and on Sunday, I did a yso games. And on Saturday, one of the club games, the other team didn't have enough players to start the game on time, and I had to go across town to ref a different game. So when they when you get past a certain point, we can no longer call the game a real game. So we ended up doing was one of the refs didn't bury in the weeds. He stayed and ref the scrimmage for them. And I Aard, which is the linesman for half of the game. And then I went across town and did the Culver City game. All right, okay, yes, and you're plugged into the right podcast. This is, you the youth soccer podcast. He's a guy I follow who has one a youth soccer podcast. His name is, he's gonna handle on Instagram and Tiktok. It's refs need love too. And he it's fantastic if you're into youth sports, reffing, particularly soccer repping. He does. He does like he'll do, you know, he'll take game footage from professional games, from kids games, and kind of break down what the reps calls are. He talks about, like, you know, sideline behavior, how to manage that. And, yeah, it's, it's a wonderful niche, and he can't wait to sign up for that. I love it. Hey everybody, welcome to transformation Tuesdays. Those of you who are are new. This is it. Could be transformation Wednesday or transmission Friday, but we like the TT alliteration on there. Alliteration, yes. And so way out Wednesday, where we talk about the weirdest way. Way out Wednesday, yeah, I'm back from a from a trip to Nashville and North Carolina. We could talk about that a little bit later, if we have, if we have time. These are two places where I was a news reporter and an anchor person and and man talk about climbing a tall tree and looking around and looking back at your life and and seeing what you've done or not done and how fast life is going. Good grief, if you want, if you want encouragement to hurry up and and live your life, you could just talk to me about it, because it's I word. It was, you know? Well, I'll tell you about it later, but it was, it was anywhere between 51 and 53 years ago. Unbelievable that I was in either one of these cities anchoring the news and and, yes, a lot has changed. A lot a lot of people are taught, and I think, I don't think you'll be surprised by this, but the you know, I love going into master control and talking to the to the guys there and and they say that a good portion of their newscasts, their clips, their news clips, is now people get their news on tick tock. Oh yeah, yeah. So I always thought tick tock was just goofy and for dancing and stuff like that, but they put their news clips on tick tock, yeah. That's how a lot of people get their news. Oh yeah. The other thing is happening, this is probably for another day, is that I'm now being fooled by AI where they're they're putting words in Jordan Peterson's mouth. They're putting words in Joe Rogan's mouth and and I guess I'm getting to the point where I can spot it a little bit. But, you know, Paul McCart is showing up in in in the hospital with Phil Collins, and it wasn't really Paul McCartney. So I can't imagine where this is going. Yeah, we're headed down a weird rabbit hole. There is a thing which I think is interesting, which is the business model for AI right now. It's very expensive to operate, and there's not a lot of revenue stream. So it's very much like the.com boom in the early 2000 Sure, yeah. So I have a feeling that we're going to see a reorganization of AI in, like, in the next couple of years. Yeah, I can't wait to see what that looks like. I'm just gonna just kind of hide until that happens. So, because this is transformation Tuesday, and this could be a revelation. For you. We're going to start with one of our favorite guys, and Andrew Huberman. And I love what he has to say here about the he wants to talk about the habits that is going to that could destroy us. And it has to do with with with dopamine, and dopamine is, is produced Gib, when we have it could be produced by by finishing a race. It can be produced by having, you know, someone from the opposite sex actually look at you when you're interested in them, not really, I mean. Or it could be the ding on your on your phone. Yes, it's a reward. It's the reward chemical, right, right? So the best way to get dopamine is for you to do a long term task and then finish it and and have it be successful. But what we've what has happened is everything is hijacked to give us dopamine whenever we whenever we want it, like it's, it's your phone gives you dopamine, your your notifications give you dopamine. It is, it is taking us, taking our brains over in a really negative way. And a perfect example of the wrong way to get dopamine is to have a glass of wine, or to have take a drug or something like that, and you get and you get a good feeling, and then you do it again, and or I take oxytocin, or, like, you know, Vicodin, or something like that. And then you have to have more a week a week later, and more and more and more. And we have, we I actually have a friend who has a back problem who is up to, like, 30 pills a day, you know, whereas one pill a day would have done, yeah, okay, a year ago. So here's Huberman talking about something very important that we have to keep our eye on, and that is where we're getting our dopamine, and how, why? If we don't control it, we could really end up in trouble. Here you go, any high amount of dopamine that comes to you without effort before it will eventually destroy you, wow, or bring you close to destruction. So something that just feels so good that you all you had to do is open a package. All you had to do was take a pill or open a website, or open a website. That is the slippery slope. Dopamine is not about the pursuit of pleasure. It's about the pleasure of pursuit. It's about motivation. The other thing to remember about dopamine is it can, if it's increased very dramatically and very fast, it can drive addiction. And I define addiction as a progressive narrowing of the things that bring you pleasure. A great life is where many, many things bring you pleasure. Children of very wealthy people often destroy their lives. You know, they destroy their lives because they haven't had to work to have all this stuff and there's this huge cushion below them. Yeah. I mean, look, we, we've talked about a lot of that stuff before, but this idea that that what feels good in our brain in the short term is good for us. It really does lead you down a path of destruction. It does lead you down a path of addiction. This is why, when we talk about digital minimalism and things like that, like Cal Newport has that great book digital minimalism, and it you know, where you really need to begin to remove the dopamine stimulators from your phone. Phones are a fantastic tool. Phones allow you to stay, you know, stay connected across 1000s of miles. Allow you to stay connected, you know, and do things out of the office that you used to require an entire computer. I mean, the phone in your pocket, very likely, if you have a smartphone, has more computing power than any than the entire entire missile defense system did in the in the early 80s. It is an incredibly powerful tool that we can use for so many positive things. But what has happened is the attention economy has caused it to hijack our attention and for a small number of people to make a lot of money and and in that process, we've kind of lost our connection to real, connected dopamine. And what that how important that is for our, for our, our, our overall mental health. So he's absolutely right. You know, he's talking about the children of rich people. And I think for for several decades, we sort of thought of them as dilettantes and, and because they nothing could stimulate the dopamine that they could get, you know, with, with, just by spending their their family's money. But now we are, we are all dilettantes with our phones. We are all create. We're all Dickie Greenleaf from Talented Mr. Ripley. We are all just kind of wandering through life looking at our phone instead of having any kind of any kind of real direction, and it removes the connection between effort and pleasure in a way that is really hard to get back. So when we talk about digital minimalism, you make your phone black and white, right? Because the colors and the stimulating colors and sounds help with the dopamine addiction. You remove the apps that aren't productive based, you know, the. Move the pleasure ones, the Instagrams and things like that, and you go back to reading your news. You go back to reading your information, because the news is packaged. Information is packaged in a way that is pleasing. You mentioned that your old news station puts their stuff on Tiktok, and that's that's great. It's a great way to get it out there, and I absolutely respect that part of it. But if you're getting your news primarily, your news primarily from Tiktok, I think you're making a mistake in how you approach your information consumption. Yeah. And what we're seeing now too is that, because it's so easy to to get to get pornography, right, yes. And I mean that by a kid who's alone with a computer of any age he could end up, he she could end up on a pornographic site. And so there are, it's, it's a fascinating I read a thing, I believe it was in Vanity Fair about how now women, young women, having a really hard time dating because, because men who are who have grown up in this digital age, and some of them who have been on pornography sites, they they have eliminated first, second, third and fourth base, right? They've gone all the way through all of the all the bases. So they show up for a date and they buy a woman dinner or a drink or whatever, and immediately they're, they're like, being inappropriate and and looking for a kiss, looking for more. And women are like, What the heck is going on now? It's because, is because men have been all their dopamine is gone, right, right? And they're and they feel like this is the this is, this is just a natural order of things. It's really dangerous place to be. But if you can, if you can figure out those of us who are, who are adults, are not dealing with this, if you can, if you can figure out where your dopamine is coming from. So given I've talked many times before about about how we can see each other in each other when we've worked out. Yeah, right. And so you, you come in, and I don't care, it could be 15 minutes, it could be 30 minutes, it could be more it could be 10 minutes, it could be just a couple of sprints, or something like that. That's where that's dopamine. And so when you come into your tasks for the day, even when you're just driving to work, if you after you've done that, talk about people like, oh my gosh, I'm so grumpy I missed my workout. That's because you didn't get a real honest dopamine squirt in the morning, right? Yeah. So this goes back so, you know, piggybacking what you said, so the pornography does hijack your dopamine, the so many different things, you know, that's that's just one really glaring example. And it also, to your point, it creates a transactional relationship with sex. That is, that it's hurting it's hurting relationships. It's leading to all kinds of other health problems around, you know, sexual function in young and young adults now. So there are kind all kinds of consequences to that, which is one of the reasons why we talk about doing even getting small wins going in the morning, like making your bed. And the cool thing about making your bed versus checking your phone first thing in the morning is that you have, you begin to rewire your dopamine back to what it's supposed to be, which is you get a you get a squirt of dopamine as a reward for a little bit of effort. And that making your bed is a great way to do that. Not only is it nice, not only does it, you know, we there's that whole Admiral McRaven thing that we've mentioned before, but a little bit of the neuroscience behind it is that you actually start to rewire your brain, or get your brain re primed to associate dopamine, the pleasure of dopamine, with the completion of tasks, and it's why I like why we like handwritten to do lists. It's why we like writing stuff down. All of that adds to rewiring the brain versus the smorgasbord of dopamine that's available on your phone. All right, so Simon Sinek is another, another great productivity expert who I love listening to. Found a piece this morning of him talking about the secret that creates changes. Guy, compared the top five tennis players. Do you know about this? Compared the top five tennis players from the top 25 tennis players? So what makes the top five so much better than all the others? And he goes through the list. Is it their diet? By the way? I want, I want to set this up again. It's the secret that creates champions. I just, I just, I need to get these classes changed, because I think that's important for you not to be looking for the changes. It's a secret that change that creates champions. All right. You ready? Here we go. Guy, compared the top five tennis players. Do you know about this? Compared the top five tennis players from the top 25 tennis players? So what makes the top five so much better than all the others? And he goes through the list. Is it their diet? Is it their CO. Coaching? Is it their work ethic? No, no. They all have that, right? And he literally goes through all the lists of what it could be, and it's none of those things. The one thing that the top five have that the others don't is, is that when they score a point, they go, that's fun. I love this I love this game. When they miss a point, they go like, Oh, I missed that one, but wait till you see what I do on the next one. And there's sort of a joy and love of what they're doing and and a success or failure their mindset in the moment. This, by the way, Gib is how I got over stage fright at playing piano on stage where the coach that I was working with for a couple of years John, dr, John Hart. He's his whole thing was, you know, what are you going to do when, when you when you fail, when you make them, make a mistake? Are you just going to freak out and you ruin the rest of the song? What's, what's your technique going to be? And so what? Without going through the whole process, what he basically said was, just smile and look at the audience and shrug your shoulders and move on. And so it's almost like, I, you know, it's so great to be up here with you guys, but this is not going to be there's not going to be perfect, you know. Now it's probably different if you're at the Hollywood Bowl and you're with the giant orchestra or something like that. I there's such a marked difference between when you have your band and you're, yeah, over is when you're playing with an argument, right, right? Exactly. The other thing, and I have done this before too, is that it's harder for some of these musicians who, I mean, somebody like Billy Joel or Elton John or sting, or any of those guys, where some of them have, I won't mention which ones, but they'll have a teleprompter on stage with the lyrics of their songs, because they're doing so much by playing, and if all of a sudden they go up on a word, or whatever, they miss a word, or everybody who's singing along, here's that Frank Sinatra famously used a used to use a teleprompter. So with me, if I make a mistake. Not everybody knows all of my my songs, but they know that the feeling that they're getting, hopefully, from what I'm playing, but if I hit a wrong note, and I mean, it sounds like a joke, because you're always like, Oh, you make a mistake. And just do it again. Because then it's a jazz you know, and as long as it's a, it's a, it's a mistake within the scale, path within what the song is doing. You just do it again, you know. And I do that all the time, and then, and then I have to say, Isn't this great? Isn't this great? I'm up here on stage and this and this happened, and here we go. We're gonna keep we're gonna keep going. This is, look, this is where your self consciousness is holding you back. This is self consciousness is great to help you fit into a group, but we spend so much time in our self consciousness. We think that people are viewing us through a certain lens. We think that they are viewing us as critically as we view ourselves. And so then we amplify our self criticism. Oh, I mean, I see my daughter do it all the time. You know, she's 13. She's brilliant at all these different things, and she's always, she's always caveating what she's doing. Yeah, I tried this. I don't know. I don't really like it. I did the shading is bad, or whatever, or I wrote this essay, and I feel like I didn't do enough with the metaphor, or whatever, whatever the thing is, she's always couching it because her self consciousness. And adolescence is a time of extreme self consciousness, and my middle daughter starting to do it. She had a great game of soccer. She's playing, she's going back and playing rec, and she scored a bunch of goals. She's not normally a goal scorer. She's a winger and and, and she was downplaying it and downplaying it. Both of my daughters are just there at that adolescent age where they are trained to downplay it. And all of us have gone through that period. You've gone through the period where you know you downplay your successes and you elevate yourself criticisms, because you think that's what what the world around you is going to respond to. And what we do when we do that is we tell ourselves a narrative that we are not successful. We tell ourselves a narrative that that becomes our reality. We begin to accentuate our negatives and downplay our positives, and we need to get in the habit of celebrating even our small wins. And part of, part of the enjoyment that comes with being on stage is you celebrate now. You celebrate even some of your mistakes as your ability to overcome them. You find things to celebrate, and that begets more confidence and begets more successes. So when you're trying on whatever path you're on, so much of us go, oh, here are all the reasons why it can't work. And that's what a smart, cynical person is going to emphasize. We are the here are the here are where the pitfalls are, and that's an important thing to have on a team. It's an important thing to do. I'm not downplaying that. But what happens is, when we get the small wins, we get that meeting with the person, when we sign our first client, when we sign whatever, the thing is, we downplay it so much that we actually don't give ourselves the full dopamine reward. It's actually going to help us continue and get the small task and the small wins that are going to get us over the hump on our big project and our big goals. And what he's talking about there is you have to get in the habit of celebrating the joy of of success. Celebrate the joy. A failure, and that is the thing that's going to move you forward. Our self criticism is holding us back from being able to do that. It's interesting that he would, he would say that, to say this now, because we're, I've been watching some of the US Open Tennis, and there's just been some horrible behavior this year. You know, people calling each other, I mean, terrible names and and, you know, remember back in the day, back in the early 80s when and I was standing there watching it on the sideline, because I worked for CBS, who was covering it, and, and John McEnroe screaming at Ball people who were like, you know, like 14 years old, you know. And you're thinking, this guy does not enjoy the game, and so, and then when, I guess some people feel like they feed on that, but nobody wants to be around that, no, and it can't be good for you. No. I mean, look again, I did the Mac and Rose of the world. Are we? We remember them because of their of their difference. But so many of us respond much more to and so many more successful people find the joy in each thing, sometimes a pathological joy. I mean, you know, you find this, not to call out one profession, but you'll find this in some attorneys, where they don't, they don't really love even the law, and what they love is using the law to completely break down the other side, and it becomes pathological, and honestly, they are rewarded for it. I don't want you to be pathological. I don't want you to be like that. I want you to be happy. But finding that way of celebrating your success is finding that thing that makes you, you know, come alive in the pursuit and rewarding yourself accordingly is the only way you will get to the place you want to be. Yeah, I love it. We're gonna do questions in just a minute, but I want to share one more piece from from Andrew Huberman about how important it is these days to find some time, any time during the day, to calm your mind. Here we go. Learn to calm your mind. Right? Your mind is gonna spool. Nobody has a mind that's calm all the time and focused when they want it to be and falls asleep perfectly every night. Nobody gets that. No human being gets that. Okay, so you have to put some work into it. That involves doing maybe it's five minutes of meditation a day. I'm a big believer in prayer. I think that combines a number, if not all of the features of the things that we hear about, like meditation and all these other things, into a practice that, if you spend some time with it, I think it can be very useful. Okay, I'm not here to push that. I just know that to be true. So get your physiology right, and the rest will start falling into place. And you know, the online culture, my podcast, your podcast, Rogan podcast and other podcasts, is replete with information about how to exercise, right, how to eat, right, how to do all these things, building your social connections, which are also vitally important, but if you're not getting your physiology right, the rest isn't going to work. So true. It doesn't take that much either. Look, download. There's centering prayer app I've mentioned before. There's calm headspace. These are sort of agnostic apps that focus on meditation, focus and just get in the habit. Try it. Try focusing quietly and not allowing your your brain to ruminate for just five minutes a day. If you're not in the habit of doing that, if you're not in the habit of praying or meditating for five minutes a day, you will be shocked. 15 and you're, you're you're in like this, this top 5% of people in your ability to focus. It's unreal. How much mental like, how much, how difficult that is mentally to be able to do it, but how important that is fundamentally. And we talked, you talk about, and if you can get good at that, by the way, you can unlock a lot of the positive visualization that we were talking about previously and earlier today. You know, you talk about watching the skiers. We talked about the tennis players celebrating themselves, but you talk about watching the skiers in the in the starting house and and the winners were the ones that would quietly focus and visualize the path down. They would just do the course in their mind. Yeah? And that's a huge difference maker. Yeah, it's like, it's like a difference between, between. Now we have great data to support this, cramming for a test and studying for 15 minutes and then stopping and walking away and thinking about and then come back. You know, the brain loves to relax for a moment and and and metadata, and have a think there's more comments than actual questions, but I. Um, something Robbie said, I think it really uh, highlights what you guys are talking about, immediate pleasure rewards like scrolling your phone could be a warning to watch as a quote, dry drunk symptom, and for those of us in AA, if not kept in check, could lead to a slippery slope. And Robbie's also on here to say that he's proudly 18 years in recovery, which is incredible, and he was the perfect stereotype for the closet drinker. So part of the sobriety stands on being open about it and not being ashamed, and that is amazing. And other people are talking about recognizing that they're going to just go pick up different habits and maybe put the phone down and do more productive things, versus being addicted to that. I think that's a really big takeaway from this call from the comments here not to unpack the program too much, but there's a reason why you get so many chips early on in your journey, and that is exactly what you're talking about. It is to it is to rewire the dopamine. It's that it gives you those small goals and those wins that you get to celebrate on the path to recovery. You know, after, after, after the first couple of years, you stop getting chips and just get your cake. Because they're like, Okay, you figured it out. But in that beginning part, you know, you get, you get your, you get your one week, you get your you get your 90 days, you get your, you know, you get your, your six months. Those chips are really important part. That's why they do it. It's a really important part of that. And you mentioned, you mentioned dry drunks. Those of you guys that don't know dry drunks are people who have eliminated the drug of choice from their addiction and from their addictive personality, but yet they continue to lean into the kind of behavior patterns that are indicative of alcoholism and drug abuse. So you'll see, you'll see the mood swings and the rages and and like all you have to do is go to an AA meeting and look at how many, how much coffee, cigarettes and donuts are consumed on the break. That is an indicator of what it drives. Yes, and by the way, it's, it's short for Roberta. So excuse me, wrong pronoun there. So she. Thank you for clarifying that Robbie. Robbie is Roberta, and that's her, her 18 years of recovery, which is incredible. No, okay. And then Mark has a good question. Mark asks, What can help prevent unexpected outbursts of rage? I deal with going from one to 100 in anger as a person with autism, I would imagine that also, like, dialing back your exposure to things like social media would be a big help in your day, 100% well and tools too. You know, that's what prima Gib, sister, my my daughter is, is very honest about the fact that she has what's what they used to call learning disabilities. It's learning differences. And so she went to, she proudly went to a school called champs here in in Los Angeles, and there were, I'm sorry, not champs, but Westmark. And there were, like, some classes, there were like, maybe five or six people in there, and and it was all about processes, right? And so I'd be figuring out, okay, I learned, I learned by by hearing, or I learned by reading, or I learned by a combination and having these having processes. And so, you know, if you whether it's whether it's anger or it's hunger or it's some sort of repetitive addiction, the the finding, the process that works for you, that she used to call them tricks and and she was not. I mean, I don't know that we weren't expecting her to graduate from college, but she, but she did a tremendous job at Chapman University and graduated and, and, and to this day, you know, uses those, those techniques and those and those tricks when she's when she's learning and when she's dealing with people, but, but having having those, I think, and understanding that if it, if an outburst, for example, of anger, is on its way. It could be as simple as, you know, counting to 100 or it could be as simple as just some people use these, you know, these hand movements to take, take them out, out of that, what they call flooding, I guess, right. So I don't know where you are on this, on the spectrum, and where, like, what your triggers are, and stuff like that. So if you have a dopamine addiction, and anything that interferes with that will make you more irritable, regardless of I mean, even if you're neuro typical, right? So that some of that might not be a symptom of autism, some of that might just be, that's all of us, right? If you're, if you're really, if you're an alcoholic, and somebody takes away your alcohol, you're going to be angry. If you're addicted to your phone and somebody wants your attention to come away from the phone. Away from the phone, you're going to be a little bit more irritable and less sensitive to what the what's going on around you, because you're in that addiction phase, and you'll see it as the day goes on. You're going to become more addicted and need more of those dopamine hits in order to maintain that level that you got you started with in the morning. So to that point, you. Just be aware of that and work on on the phone addiction, or whatever that that dopaminer diction is. And the a great tool for anybody who is prone to angry outbursts is to do the wait 10 seconds, because the worst thing we do is when we feel that being overwhelmed, we react in anger. And so a good system. And you know, if you are, if you have, like, touch sensitivities, or you have, like, you know, they make fidgets. What do they call it? Fidget spinners? Yeah, they make fidget spinners for that, for but if you need that, I forget what the term is for people that need it. But, like, maybe you need, you need tactical stimulation in order to, in order to be able to, like, calm yourself so you can count on your fingers, like, 1-234-567-8910, before you react. And it can actually help you get back into the into the brain space where you're able to actually focus and respond outside of your emotions. Yeah, I love it. Thank you guys for for a great get together. We love it. I'm going to ask you a favor. We're going to send Chris is going to send you an email today, and in that email is going to be a link, and it's a link to to the YouTube version of my record that I just released. You'll see all the songs there, so you don't have to download anything. You don't it's it's free. And what I'm looking for is, is for you to listen to a few of the songs and write me a review, and then we'll be able to use the review to attract more people to to listen to the to the album. The album is called sports, and it's a record of 11 sports themes and then two versions of round ball rock, the basketball theme. It's been a year of work on this. On this record, I listen to it every day because I like to work out to my own that's it. If you want, if you want to talk about hijacking your dopamine, play sports the album while you play sports, the physical activity, right? I will link it on the Facebook page too. So everybody has that on Facebook. Oh, that's great. That's Yes, thank you. It was, I had an amazing experience on Friday night where I was, I went back to my alma mater, NC State, where I played some soccer and and it was, it was their, their arch rivals, NC, Stage Arts, right? Rivals, University of North Carolina, which is just up the road, and Duke University is just down the road from there, and they're playing, you know, when I was playing soccer 53 years ago, it was, we had maybe 40 people in the in the there weren't any stands. You had to stand up. It was like youth soccer, yeah, bring your chair. Yeah, you bring your chair. But there were over 7000 people at this game. It was just amazing to see how the program had grown. And I became friends. What my friend, Steve Thomas and I were were there, and we became friends with it, with the coach, Mark Hubbard and and Mark has done a tremendous job where the team is, like, actually number five in the highest ranking ever in the in the history of of NC State's program, and so they're number five in the country and and when the team was out there practicing, and even during halftime, they played a couple of songs from my from my album, and I was just, I couldn't even take it. I was just, I just had to walk away. It was really cool to, you know, to be to be there, you know, five decades later, and to be able to to watch, you know, my team play so well, and and to have all those memories and so. And then there was, and then there was the music. So, yeah, if you would, if you would listen to the record and just tell me what you think about it, even just one song, I would be grateful. That's it. Absolutely again, play sports while you play sports, that's it. All right, guys, we'll see you next week. Thank you. That's it for the show today. Thank you guys, so much for listening. If you like the show, please rate, comment and subscribe on Apple podcast. Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. It helps us out a lot when you do that, we also try to respond to every mention the show, every DM about the show. You can tell us what you think about it, because ultimately, we do the show for you guys. So thank you so much for listening. You.