Transformation Tuesday: Discipline and Process.

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Gib, hello and welcome to another episode of the podcast. I'm Gib Gerard here with another special transformation Tuesday episode of the show. That's where we take audio from our weekly transformation Tuesday webinars that are available to you. We take that audio and we repackage it and present it as a podcast. If you are interested in being a part of transformation Tuesday, I hope that you are. I think you should be. I will put a link to how to join the Facebook group in the show notes. You can join us, watch it live, interact with us. It is our way of helping you get from the place you are to the place you want to be, whatever your goals are. So folks here without further ado, is transformation Tuesday, with me and John Tesh. All right. Hello everybody, and welcome to transformation Tuesday. I'm Gib Gerard alongside John Tesh, very exciting day today. I don't know if those of you that are active in the Facebook group have noticed or not, but we have added a lot of new members, a lot of people who are joining us, whether from referrals or because they found us in one of our from one of our videos that we posted online. But we're really excited to be adding new people. So today we're going to spend some time. Those of you that have been here for a while are familiar with this concept. We're going to spend some time for you. It'll be recapitulation, which is A reminding of some of our core tenants, and for the new people, it'll be a nice welcome to what our core concept is, and our core concept, from transformation Tuesday, it's in the title, is to get you from the place you are to the place you want to be. You were inspired to join this group because there is something that you feel you want to achieve that you haven't yet been able to achieve, some part of yourself that you would like to express, that you've not been able to express. And that is what we are all about here. So today, for those of you that have been here for a while, will be recapitulation, or new people, or, or my life is screwed up. I need some help. Please tell me what to do exactly, exactly right to the point, right? Or, or, how about another money making opportunity? And we don't do that. We do a little bit, a little bit of it. The thing is, you got, if you're organized and you got your life together, and you know how to set goals, and you know which ones are not really goals, and you don't set a purpose driven goal, then nothing's going to work. However, if you find a way to differentiate what you do, if you if you find out, if you really do, you know, you know, a deep dive into what makes you come alive and what you're good at, you're going to survive, I mean, financially and also as a fulfilled person. And that's what we're all about. We're going to see so Gib and I are just, we're just, we've already done it. We're just Zen here. Yeah, everything is everything is fine. Everything is fine. My daughter is not getting married in a month. Gib is not going to be the efficient, and people from all over the country are not coming to see this. And so my life is very calm. In my life, okay, but the rest of you may need some help. I don't know. I don't know that's being public knowledge yet, but yes, prima is getting married. By all means. We're calling up saying, Am I like, No, I'm not going either. I barely have a spot. I'm in charge of music. Oh yeah, there's the feeling this, maybe this is a guy. Don't ever bring that up again, but you feel just not for another half hour. Ignore this. This never happened, but yes. So speaking of we do talk about how to deal with stress on the show. We do talk about how to channel your stress into getting you to the place that you want to be. What's happening with the wedding April is that everything is happening, the wedding is happening. So it is a constant logistical quagmire every second. Gib gib's sister, my daughter, right? And and she and Gib is, is, as you know, as you'll find out, those of you who haven't been here before, is, is hilarious, and he's going to marry them, which will be, which is going to be a lot of fun, actually, and we're actually doing it in a park, at a park bench. No, we're not doing your front yard. Yeah, that's great. Those of you with drones, no, no, no. Okay, so today we are going to focus on, this is free, isn't it? I can do that. You can do whatever you want. You can go crazy. It's free. You are the brand. This is your show. I am. I am simply here to facilitate. So anyway, today we are going to focus on, again, on discipline, on focus on, on making those changes in our lives. So we're going to hear from some of our favorite people. We are going to hear from Jocko willing. If you guys don't know who Jocko willing is, I will introduce him. We're going to hear from Ryan Holiday we are going to hear from James clear and Andrew Huberman, a little bit of technical stuff, and then a little bit of how you can actually make this stuff work for yourself. But the number one thing we want to talk about is if you want to change your life, if you want to get from the place you are to the place you want to be. That does not happen overnight. It does not happen easily. One of the concepts that I talk about all the time is this idea of homeostasis, meaning the people in your life, the habits that you formed already, are going to pull you back to where you are right now. That does not mean that you have to ignore those people in your life. It means you need to, perhaps, change the way that you listen to them and internalize what they say. It means that you do not have to change the essence of who you are. It does mean you have to focus in a way that you have not focused in the past. So those are the things that we are going to be talking about today, and those are things that we are. Those are the headwinds that we're dealing with here. Is Jocko willing. For those of you that don't know he is, I guess influencer is a too broad of a term, but he's a former Navy SEAL. He has some protein powder that we actually really like, but and he also has a colorful vocabulary. So found a clip of him talking about discipline without the colorful vocabulary for once, and this is just a good primer. When we talk about discipline versus motivation, this is an important thing for us to hold on to motivate feeling that comes and goes, and it doesn't matter whether it's there or not, discipline is infinitely more important. So no matter how you feel, get up and do what you're supposed to do. That's it, and that's discipline. That's not motivation. If you only did what you were supposed to do when you were motivated to do it. That's leaving it to chance. But if you're disciplined, you go to who you're supposed to do. That's the way it works. That's it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and this is, here's a guy who used to be a Navy Seal and train, as Gib said, and train Navy Seals and and he is one of those. I listen to him a lot. Listen to his podcast too, and his little clips on YouTube. He really believes, and sort of this, Ryan Holiday, by the way, an author that we're going to mention a lot on this on this broadcast. He really believes that we need to fall in love with not with motivation, but with the process and not with goals. Have goals, but fall in love with the process. I love, for example, I love the process when when we go out and we prepare to go do a live a live concert in another life of a piano player and Gib as a comedian and also a musician. And so I love that process of preparing for that. But if I just concentrate on how many people are going to be in the audience, I've made that mistake before. It's just not fulfilling, because you're never going to be happy. You have to manage your your expectations, and so I, I've had to learn how to fall in love with, with with the process. And that also goes to losing weight or or making your relationship better, or or getting stronger, or battling against a disease, you know, and all of that, all of that is, if you have a goal, I want to get healthy, whatever you got to find a way to create. You can hear all about this from Gib, but you have to find a way to create the steps, small, bite sized steps, to get you there and fall in love with with all of that. You know that because the it's you know, I remember. I can tell you so many, so many different stories about this, but it's like, I know a lot of jazz musicians, right, and and they have developed because they just play their instruments, especially jazz jazz players. They just play their instruments all the time, even if they're gonna, even if they get paid 50 bucks a night. So even to this day, some of the guys that work with me in the studio, I don't pay them just 50 bucks, but well, but if you go into a small club, that's really what they get. But they love that process of getting better and better and better. So that's what we really want to encourage you to do, is find out what your process is, and then you'll reach any goal you want. Well, I mean, that's the if you read, we're not going to hear from Malcolm Gladwell today, but if you read some of his books, he talks about the 10,000 hour paradigm, right, which is, in order to be an expert in anything, you have to put in 10,000 hours. And that has gotten pushed back and all that stuff. But we you know, he cites the Beatles, who played these clubs in Hamburg before Beatlemania, they were just a Club Band, and they were playing these clubs in Germany for next to no money, but they were playing four hours a night together, and that led to when they got to the studio, when they had their shot, they were ready. And that is, that is what we're talking about here. That is what we are. That's what we're focusing on, this idea of being ready to change your life, of getting into the habit of leaning in to those small changes every day that get you to the place that you want to be and that that works for things that you want to add. And again, we are we focus on on on your fitness. We focus on your financial goals. We focus on your relationships. A lot of times we use fitness. This diet and exercise as a lens for all kinds of life changes simply because we accept that certain principles exist in fitness that we sometimes ignore when it comes to our our self discipline in other areas, meaning we know that you're not gonna have a six pack overnight six pack exposed abdominal muscles. Takes months of training, your training and exercising and also eating in a disciplined way. This is something that we just we accept, and now, obviously there are drugs and surgeries that can help with that, but we don't accept that all the time for other areas of our life, like, for example, improving our relationships. We think that we do the one thing I don't know why my wife is still angry at me. I said I was sorry, and I bought her flowers, and I've moved on. Why hasn't she? We don't accept that we have to undo years of relationship strife on a consistent basis for it to have an effect, but we do accept it with exercise. Here is Ryan Holiday talking about the definition of discipline from a stoics perspective. Now, we're not full on Stoics, but this is this is useful for understanding what discipline really means. The secret to life. Epictetus said was two words, two things, explain everything you should do in all situations. And he said those two words are simple, persist and resist. Meaning some things you have to endure, you have to do, even though they're really hard, and then other things you have to stop doing, even though it's really hard to do them, persist and resist. He was really talking about the virtue of temperance, or self discipline, self mastery. And his point was that if we could do that, if we could persist in some things and resist other things, we could become what we're truly capable of becoming. That's what the new book discipline is. Destiny is actually about. But this virtue of temperance, self discipline, self command, it's everything. It's deterministic and predictive. It will make whatever you do great, if complemented by self command and self discipline, persist and resist. And so let's do, let's do a bit of a book report here, because the folks who have been with for a while on this transformation Tuesday's calls, they hear us talking about, especially me, talking about, about Ryan Holiday we just saw, and he's he has written a series of book on the on the stoic virtues, in each each one of the virtues is, is a different book, and I highly recommend, you know, so many of these people that come up with and God bless them, you know, like Tony, Tony Robbins and Oprah and some of these other folks. I can't, I can't even remember right now. Mel Robbins, they've come up with their their own plan, right? It's like, oh, here's the here's the 321, plan, here's the five plan, here's the here's the primer plan, all that. So those are all plans from these, from these folks. But the, but the stoic philosophy of discipline has been proven for for for centuries, and and it's, it's beautiful when you combine that. In my life, I try to combine that as much as I can with the Word of God, and what comes out is is, you know, be kind to others, love others, and get after it, you know. And but, but he gives, He gives some amazing examples of famous people that you will all know who have used discipline and who have failed to use discipline and let ego get in the way. And he shows the results from from either one of those tracks, exactly, right? So this idea, there's a lot of people who have mastered persist, right? They've mastered this idea of being, of wanting something and doing the daily rituals it takes to get there, but who have not mastered the concept of resist. And then you end up with someone like Babe Ruth, who you know would eat like 15 hot dogs a day and drink several whiskeys and then go out there and hit and hit home runs, versus a Lou Gerard, who would just show up every day stoically and do these things over and over and over again, without the flash and the pump, but with the resistance that allowed him to, you know, set the hits record, the consecutive game hits record, you know, things like that so, and we see that with Joe DiMaggio as well, right these. So I'm using baseball as an analogy. You'll notice that I do that, but because it is, we have these things that we want to do, and we have these things that are getting in the way of us getting there. And we have so many examples in popular culture of people whose art we respect, whose whose work we love, and whose whose lives at times we aspire to, and then we find out that they were unable to resist. They had no temperance. And we need to dig in to both sides. We need to create the good habits and start to remove the bad habits. And now in diet, we know we need to eat more whole foods, freshly prepared Whole Foods. We know we. To have more fresh fresh meat and vegetables, fresh fish. This is fresh fruit. This is going to get us healthier. We also need to resist the temptation of the constantly, readily available food that is everywhere that we are on any given day. This is easier said than done. This is where discipline comes into play, and sometimes that's not possible. Sometimes we're living a life where we can't always get that. We don't always have that ability, but we do need to start to create the systems that allow us to be disciplined, to persist and resist. And that's what I really loved about what holiday saying there here's and also, also remember the time under tension is really important, whether you're in the gym or whether you're fighting against a disease or you're working out a problem in your in your your marriage and your in your relationship, time under tension. We were made to fight. We were made I mean, we're living in a world that's where we suffer, where happiness is not guaranteed. But, you know, it's a whole thing where, where, where did the diamond come from? It came from Time, time under tension, right? And even if you just go to the gym, or if you're just, if you just have those bands, you know, and, and, and you wake up in the morning and you just do, like, you know, 20 of those, because you can't get to the gym, it's it, there's something about that time under tension that makes us come alive and creates dopamine, which is the feel good chemical that just makes you want to do it more. You know, it's funny. You bring that up because I'm going to skip James clear, and I'll come back to him in a second. I had this video of Andrew Huberman talking about something called limbic friction, which is exactly what he's what John is talking about here. Here's Andrew Huberman talking about this idea of limbic friction. I'm gonna unpack it on the other side of it, people that display motivation over long periods of time have systems that put them into limbic friction and then overcome limbic friction again and again. Remember effort then reward. And many people are looking for the tools, the hacks and the tricks that are going to take all the effort part out. What you do, what you want to do, is build the effort and the limbic friction in and then the reward in on a consistent basis, right? That's time under tension, but that's the mental time under tension. So if you would like to build, if you want to turn motivation into discipline. You have to make the habit, but also do that whole sequence where you have to do the hard thing. And again, this is why exercise becomes such an important metaphor for what we're talking about, and that is this. You know that time under tension is required to build a muscle. You know that if you go to the gym and you don't push yourself at all, you're not actually increasing your fitness. We know that. We know that intrinsically, we don't necessarily know that with all of the other habits in our life. So we do need to find that resistance. We do need to find that moment where we are struggling to overcome, where we are working just a little bit hard, and then our body then rewards ourselves for it. So with again, with exercise, we know when we push ourselves and we have that hard time, eventually our body will get flooded with dopamine and endorphins, and that'll feel really good. That system is built in, but we can hack that and build these habits that we want to create in our lives, these, whatever those goals are, and we can unpack that idea of, okay, I need to do the hard thing, and then I can reward myself for it, and I can create that cycle myself. Here's one of the reasons why you'll hear this from some experts, one of the reasons why, if you have a, if you have a big idea, and you're convinced you want to work on it, and you're and you're going to fall in love with the process, don't, don't tell so many people, because the reason you don't want to do that is just by telling them you get, you get the dopamine by just doing that. And therefore you you can, if you get that often and early, sometimes your brain, your subconscious mind, believes that that you've already done it right. And so, so it takes it really. It really takes the power out of out of what it takes your resilience away. So be So, be careful telling people, especially with it, with it, with a big goal like that, oh, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna do this. It might not work out, right? And you already got the dopamine scored from that so, you know, get further down the road and let people discover what, what you've done. It's always, it's always amazing when you, you know, you You're, you're talking to somebody. And this happened to me. We were at a wedding, and we just, I just Connie, my wife, just pulled this picture up, and we were wedding. We were sitting across from, this was the evigan wedding, and we're sitting across from this woman and her boyfriend. She was very nice, and we're talking about this and still talking about that, and, and she says, and she says, Oh, Greg. Tells me, Greg, elegant, tells me that you're in the music business. And I said, Oh, yeah, I'm a piano player. And she goes, Oh, tell me about it. I said, and, and I asked her, so what do you. What do you do is, well, I'm, I'm also in the in, in the music business, but, but as she started, you know, she started asking me more questions. And so it came time for the for the bride and grooms, his daughters, the first dance and and so they go, as they're introducing the first dance, they go, now jewel will sing the white song for the first dance, one of the most famous singers in the world, you know, she gets up and she just starts singing, but it was like, you know, she was just so comfortable in her own skin. She didn't need to talk about herself. But that's somebody who used to live in a car with her mom, you know, who didn't have any money at all, and she just fell in love with the process of being a musician, and spend less time telling people about it and more time doing it, right? I mean, and to your point, we, I know so many people who will, who will spend so much. It's like Kramer from from Seinfeld. Kramer comes into Jerry's Jerry's apartment goes, I'm going to do levels, Jerry. I'm going to build all of these levels in my apartment with cushions, no more furniture. I got rid of all my furniture, and Gerard goes, You're not gonna do that. He goes, Oh, I could do it. He goes, I know that you could. I also I know that you won't like so Kramer gets all of the benefit of doing the levels by telling people about, I have a guy in my life who will talk to you for seven hours about all the plans that he has or the things that are going wrong in his life and the things that he could do to fix it, yeah, and then he never does any of it, yeah. And that's what they call in the in the in the entrepreneur, in the marketing, in the Creator world. They call it the MVP. You need an MVP, which is, no matter what you're going to do, is you need a minimal viable product. And, and we're not just talking about, you know, creating businesses, but but in everything you do you need, you need a minimal viable way to get to the gym and, and as you continue to to show up on these Tuesdays and listen to what we have to say. We're going to give you little hacks, little action plans that we've tried on ourselves. You know, together, Gib and I are 113 years old. Why are we doing that? I'm just trying to do that in my head. Yeah, the 100 we're 113 we're gonna be 114 and you're 14 in July. And so we have some experience, and we're also surrounded by all of this great material that we like to curate and test out ourselves. And sometimes I test too much of it, you know? It's like, you know, okay, no, that's enough. All of a sudden my creatinine levels are way up. It's like, what are you ordering on Amazon? Oh my gosh. So my wife is the is the definition of temperance. Like, just has a couple bites of dessert and puts the thing away. I am believable. I'm the all or nothing person I am. I will have six chocolate cakes, and then I will avoid sugar for six months. It that's it. And then I'll supplement with other stuff. We were talking about effective ways to build habits. There is one author who has, who has written the quote, unquote book on, on habits, tiny habits. And that's James clear, no atomic habits. That's James clear, and this is he breaks down how to build habits and how to remove the bad habits. He that book is, you know, big, big, big bestseller. And one of the things we want to empower you with today, guys, is how to figure out what you want to do right and then build in the systems that let you get there and using these hacks, the actual research supported Hacks is a bad term, but the research supported methodologies for using the systems that already exist in your brain to get done what you want to get done. So here is James clear talking about the keys to building a good habit and also breaking down a bad habit. So for building a good habit, it's all about making it obvious, attractive, easy, satisfying. For breaking a bad habit, you want to invert those four so rather than making it obvious, you want to make it invisible, rather than making it attractive, you want to make it unattractive, rather than making it easy. You want to make it difficult, rather than making it satisfying, you want to make it unsatisfying. That's it. So you want to you want to you want to try to make those things as attractive as possible that you want to do, and you want to make the things that you don't want to do as unattractive as possible. So one of the keys that we've used before is, is the 32nd rule, right, where you want to make your good habits 30 seconds easier and your bad habits 30 seconds harder. So let's say you want to quit smoking. You keep your cigarettes somewhere far away from where you are. You don't carry your cigarettes around. You keep them in the car, so that, if you would like a cigarette while you're at home, you have to go out, go to your car, get the cigarette, and then you can smoke it. I don't recommend that you smoke cigarettes, but I'm just saying that freezer. Yeah, that's what that's Yeah, I know people. We've done that. This is the same this is the same principle about putting your credit card in the freezer as well, right where you you in order to buy something online, you have to thaw it in a block of ice, out of a block of ice in order to use it. This idea of making those things less attractive, making them harder, this is the same thing of putting your before picture, if you're trying to diet, taking a picture of yourself in the worst lighting possible, in with an emphasis on the things that you want to change about your body, and then printing that picture out and putting it on the refrigerator, you're making your bad habits as unattractive as you possibly can. That is, that is the key, and then the good habits as easy as possible. So that means getting your the night before, getting all of your exercise stuff and putting it by the door or putting it in the bathroom where you're going to change into it, those little moves, those consistent, small changes, add up over time and let you become the person that you want to be, just like the Grand Canyon is formed by a trickle of water that will change your life. I like the Grand Canyon thing. That's cool. Yeah, we have a saying that has been one of our mantras, one of our one of our statements, our themes for 2026, and that is a reminder that the person you are today is the person is the result of your last six months of habits. So we are trying to empower you to become the person that you want to be using your next six months of habits, and that can seem intimidating at times, and that can seem like too far of a goal, or maybe it can. I, for me, it's very simplifying, but for some of us, it can be it can push us away. And I want to remind you guys that you know we have our five habits that we are focused on with this group, right? One is to make sure that we get our daily exercise. That can be 10,000 steps. It can be 20 minutes of Zone Two cardio that we're getting that daily exercise, that we are coordinating our sleep by waking up at the same time every day, right? That we are incorporating a gratitude practice that is where we are, where we are spending time in the morning and time in the evening, where we physically write down all of those things that we are grateful for. This will change your life. We are working on a meditation or prayer practice for at least five to 10 minutes every single day. All of this stuff starts to add up to very little, to not very much time, right? It's 10 minutes here, five minutes here. And then finally, that we want to increase the amount of whole foods that we're eating and decrease the amount of ultra processed foods. We have a working definition as a group for what Ultra processed foods are. It is because that is, it is not properly defined. I don't believe in our current society, we say limit processed foods. Processed foods are shelf stable foods that do not need to be cooked. That is the definition of a processed food for us, right? We're using. And so you want to limit the amount of that that we're doing and increase the amount of Whole Foods. Yeah, I am, I think I just, I just came up with an idea for my next book. Okay, yeah. And after listening to you, you get credit on this. We'll call it the do over, or the power of do overs when you were when I'll just it's a rhetorical question, metaphorical question, to those people who are listening right now, when you were in junior high and or even in elementary school and you were playing kickball or whatever. It was not, not, not an organized sport, but there was you were throwing, playing handball or something, or catch it, you keep it, or something like that in the school yard, in between, you know, lunch and coming, going back into school and and there was always when the ball was on the line, right, or it could be anything. It could be Tennessee. I even know people you know, in their in their 60s, who play tennis, who have a problem with this. The ball is on the line, or it's almost out, or whatever. And there's always that person who is like, no, no, it was out. And no matter what you say, they say, No, it was, it was out, was my point. And you go, well, let's, let's have a do over, right? And they're like, no, no, no, we're not going to do a do over. We're not going to, which is a compromise. Of course, we're not gonna play the point over. It was my point. And you're like, you never want to play with that person again. I know people from, you know, from, from when I was growing up on Long Island, was always like that. I was in your middle your middle child is a do over kid. My oldest child is now. Oldest child is not a do over kid. And your youngest child, your son, who's a nine year old baseball player, he just wants more. He wants more play. Yeah, so he doesn't want to, he don't want to keep score. He just wants to keep playing. And that's the way it is. Sometimes, you know, if you go to US tennis center, they don't, they don't care whether it's Lendl or Borg or whatever from back in the day, they just want. They don't. They don't even rooting for one of the other. They just want, want more tennis. That's what you need to remember when you take all these tips from us and from, you know, from James clear and Andrew Huberman and all the rest of those guys, and you mess up one day, I think you could be it could be anything how you mess up, you have to remember that you don't have to wait until next year. You don't have to wait till you. Years to have a do over, because your do over can be the very next day. It can be the next hour, and you need to give yourself, you really sounds like, oh gosh, John. You need to forgive yourself immediately, you know. And you need to say, All right, it's six o'clock at night, seven o'clock at night, whatever. 10 o'clock, whatever. I just, I just screwed this, this. I got nothing to be proud of this day I get a do over, though, I get a do over, and the do over is tomorrow, and that's when you start over. And it's okay to do it, but you don't have to pile on more chocolate cake just because you right. Sit up. You want it. You want to get ready and just get in there again the next day and understand that you you need to forgive yourself and give yourself a do over. One of the things that holds people back is exactly this mentality, where we where we let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Where, when I mean you and I, are like this, sometimes I know that I am, but where, where, if I don't have time to do the full workout regimen that I've committed to, then I don't work out at all. And if I don't work out at all, then I have an extra glass of wine at dinner, and if I have the extra glass of wine at dinner, wine at dinner, then I go into the dessert afterwards. And all of a sudden, I've taken one small issue, and instead of just finding a an easier, quicker way to get a little bit of exercise, I've completely ruined all of the things that I'm working on by by allowing myself to just feel it's basically self pity, but it's just like, well, I didn't, I didn't get the workout in today, so I'm gonna let everything about today go, and then that can turn into a habit that creates a version of myself six months from now that I don't want to be, that I don't want to recognize. Here is James clear, and we're going to end with this, and we'll, we'll say goodbye on the other side of this, talking about, essentially what we've just been saying, all you're trying to do is live one good day. How can you wake up today? Do your best. Try to find some small way to improve, some 1% improvement that you can make. Live a good day, go to sleep and try to do it again tomorrow. And as the days stack up, you'll find that those small changes, those reasonable approaches that you take on any given day, stack into something much greater. That's it. That is the law of so simple. That's the law of compound interest applied to your life starting today. That is all the time that we have these transformation Tuesdays are 30 minutes. Please put things in to the Facebook group that you are interested in. Let us know, give us feedback how you would like to grow things that you want us to focus on. We will take our several decades of experience producing intelligence for your life and the John Tisch radio show and using that to inform our conversations on these Tuesdays. We are grateful, I am always grateful for the opportunity to get to put these shows together, for the opportunity to interact with you guys. Please, please, please make that Facebook group as active as you possibly can, because it only serves to make everybody in the community better. 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