Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
Planning & Beyond® is for financial advisors who want to go beyond the numbers and build deeper, more trusted client relationships.
Hosted by Ashley Quamme, a licensed therapist and financial behavior specialist, this podcast helps advisors better understand the psychology, emotions, and behaviors that shape client conversations.
Each episode offers practical strategies you can apply in discovery meetings, prospect conversations, difficult money discussions, and major life transition planning. Through conversations with experts in behavioral finance, financial psychology, and financial therapy, Ashley explores how advisors can strengthen communication, navigate emotional moments, build trust, and support clients with more confidence.
If you want to improve the way you connect with clients, ask better questions, and bring more empathy and clarity into your planning process, Planning & Beyond® will help you sharpen the human side of your advisory work.
Topics include:
- Mastering discovery and prospect meetings
- Navigating difficult money conversations
- Understanding client psychology
- Building trust and deepening client relationships
- Managing emotional client situations
- Improving advisor-client communication
- Applying behavioral finance strategies
- Supporting clients through life transitions
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Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
24. Mastering Grief Literacy: Why Widows Leave Their Advisors and How to Keep Them with Kathi Balasek
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What happens when your widowed client can't focus on financial decisions because they're drowning in grief fog? Grief literacy expert Kathi Balasek pulls back the curtain on the psychological reality facing clients after loss, sharing her own journey as a young widow who made financial mistakes despite having a trusted advisor. You'll discover why 70% of widowed clients leave their advisors and gain practical strategies to create a safe space for grieving clients. From understanding the cognitive delays that cloud decision-making to learning exactly what phrases to avoid, this conversation delivers actionable techniques to transform how you support clients through loss and position yourself as their trusted resource during vulnerable times.
Key Takeaways:
- Creating Safety Through Communication Structure: When clients experience grief fog (cognitive delays, forgetfulness, confusion), structure interactions by finding the "corner pieces" first—focus on essential paperwork immediately, organization within 1-2 months, and delay major decisions like selling homes for at least a year. This structured approach helps overwhelmed clients navigate grief while protecting their financial interests.
- Developing Grief Literacy Skills: Eliminate phrases that disenfranchise grief such as "at least they lived a long life" or "were you close?" Instead, ask permission to discuss difficult topics, use words like "priority" instead of "urgent," and most importantly, mention the deceased person's name to acknowledge their continued importance in your client's life.
- Building Community for Vulnerable Clients: Create ongoing social workshops specifically for women to discuss finances in a supportive environment. This tribal approach addresses the reality that 90% of women will be solely responsible for finances at some point, while helping them overcome guilt, shame, and embarrassment about financial knowledge gaps that often occur after loss.
Resources and Guest Information:
- Connect with Kathi Balasek on LinkedIn
- Explore Kathi's grief literacy training programs
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