Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
Planning & Beyond® is for financial advisors who want to go beyond the numbers and build deeper, more trusted client relationships.
Hosted by Ashley Quamme, a licensed therapist and financial behavior specialist, this podcast helps advisors better understand the psychology, emotions, and behaviors that shape client conversations.
Each episode offers practical strategies you can apply in discovery meetings, prospect conversations, difficult money discussions, and major life transition planning. Through conversations with experts in behavioral finance, financial psychology, and financial therapy, Ashley explores how advisors can strengthen communication, navigate emotional moments, build trust, and support clients with more confidence.
If you want to improve the way you connect with clients, ask better questions, and bring more empathy and clarity into your planning process, Planning & Beyond® will help you sharpen the human side of your advisory work.
Topics include:
- Mastering discovery and prospect meetings
- Navigating difficult money conversations
- Understanding client psychology
- Building trust and deepening client relationships
- Managing emotional client situations
- Improving advisor-client communication
- Applying behavioral finance strategies
- Supporting clients through life transitions
New episodes release weekly. Subscribe for practical conversations on the human side of financial planning.
Learn more at Beyond the Plan.
Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
28. When Plans Fall Apart: Navigating Client Disappointment and Your Own Emotional Response with Yohance Harrison
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In this case consultation episode, Ashley teams up with fellow advisor and podcast host Yohance Harrison to tackle a challenge many financial advisors face: when carefully crafted plans fall apart due to circumstances beyond anyone's control. Yohance brings a real scenario involving clients whose homebuying dreams were derailed by skyrocketing interest rates and housing prices, creating emotional challenges for both advisor and clients.
This vulnerable conversation explores the often-overlooked emotional landscape advisors navigate when plans don't work out as expected. Ashley guides Yohance through a framework for understanding the three critical components of difficult client scenarios: the advisor's emotional response, the client's experience, and the relational dynamics between them.
Through honest discussion, you'll discover how to manage your own feelings of defeat and self-doubt when plans fall short, while learning practical strategies for supporting disappointed clients. The episode demonstrates how vulnerability and transparency can actually strengthen advisor-client relationships, even in challenging circumstances.
Whether you're dealing with market volatility, unexpected life changes, or external factors that derail client goals, this episode provides a roadmap for navigating these situations with emotional intelligence and professional confidence.
Key Takeaways:
- Recognize the Three Components: Every difficult client scenario involves your emotional response, the client's experience, and the relational dynamics between you—address all three for effective resolution.
- Validation Before Information: Clients need emotional validation before they're ready to receive technical solutions or alternative strategies.
- Ask Permission to Share Perspective: Pause and gain permission before jumping into advisor mode—this prevents wasted energy and creates space for clients to process emotions.
Resources and Guest Information:
- Yohance Harrison LinkedIn
- MoneyScript Wealth Management
- MoneyScript Podcast - available on all platforms
- Only Human Podcast - AI in financial services
- Becoming an Attending Podcast - for physicians in training
Connect with Host Ashley Quamme:
- Podcast Website: Planning & Beyond
- LinkedIn: Ashley Quamme - Licensed Therapist & Financial Behavior Specialist
- Beyond the Plan®: Financial psychology integration for advisory practices
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