Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
Planning & Beyond® is for financial advisors who want to go beyond the numbers and build deeper, more trusted client relationships.
Hosted by Ashley Quamme, a licensed therapist and financial behavior specialist, this podcast helps advisors better understand the psychology, emotions, and behaviors that shape client conversations.
Each episode offers practical strategies you can apply in discovery meetings, prospect conversations, difficult money discussions, and major life transition planning. Through conversations with experts in behavioral finance, financial psychology, and financial therapy, Ashley explores how advisors can strengthen communication, navigate emotional moments, build trust, and support clients with more confidence.
If you want to improve the way you connect with clients, ask better questions, and bring more empathy and clarity into your planning process, Planning & Beyond® will help you sharpen the human side of your advisory work.
Topics include:
- Mastering discovery and prospect meetings
- Navigating difficult money conversations
- Understanding client psychology
- Building trust and deepening client relationships
- Managing emotional client situations
- Improving advisor-client communication
- Applying behavioral finance strategies
- Supporting clients through life transitions
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Planning & Beyond® - Where financial planning meets human understanding
45. Calm Money: Why Financial Self-Care Comes Before the Plan with Dr. Alex Melkumian
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Have you ever gone over a financial plan with a client, checked every box, and then watched them walk out and implement almost none of it? It's one of the most frustrating experiences in this work — and it's more common than anyone likes to admit.
Here's what might actually be happening: your client's nervous system is running the show.
In this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Alex Melkumian, licensed marriage and family therapist, financial psychologist, and founder of the Financial Psychology Center in Los Angeles. Alex has spent nearly two decades working at the intersection of mental health and money, and his latest book, Calm Money, makes a compelling case for why financial self-care isn't a luxury — it's often the prerequisite to any financial plan actually working.
We talk about what financial self-care really means (hint: it's not just bubble baths and budgeting apps), why money continues to be the number one stressor for most Americans, and what it looks like when a client is in freeze mode right in front of you — even when they're nodding along.
One of the most powerful moments in our conversation is when Alex shares this: "A triggered mind is a controlled mind." When clients are in fight, flight, or freeze, the best financial strategy in the world gets filtered through a nervous system that's in threat mode. That's why the plan doesn't stick. That's why nothing gets implemented.
Alex also walks us through the structure of the Calm Money journal — daily check-ins, weekly pattern work, and monthly reflection — and why that kind of compassionate, consistent engagement with money can literally reshape how a client's brain responds to financial conversations over time.
If you've been puzzling over clients who seem to understand your plan but won't follow through, this episode offers a framework for understanding what's actually going on — and a resource you can point them toward.
RESOURCES AND GUEST INFORMATION
Guest Bio: Dr. Alex Melkumian is a licensed marriage and family therapist, financial psychologist, and founder of the Financial Psychology Center in Los Angeles. He is the author of Financial Psychology: Restoring Financial Wellness in the Post-COVID Economy and the newly released Calm Money, a financial self-care book and companion workbook. Dr. Melkumian has spent nearly two decades helping individuals, couples, and organizations navigate the emotional and psychological dimensions of money.
Connect with Dr. Alex Melkumian:
- LinkedIn: Dr. Alex Melkumian
- Instagram: @FinancialPsychologyCenter
- Website: financialpsychologycenter.com
- Calm Money — Available now on Amazon
- Financial Psychology: Restoring Financial Wellness in the Post-COVID Economy — Available on Amazon
Connect with Host Ashley Quamme:
- Podcast Website: PlanningAndBeyond.com
- LinkedIn: Ashley Quamme — Licensed Therapist & Financial Behavior Specialist
- Beyond the Plan®: BeyondTheFP.com
- Monthly Newsletter: Subscribe at BeyondTheFP.com
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