Acting Strong
Resilience for Stage Ready, Mind Ready Artists. Inspiring interviews with successful actors and artists exploring how they maintain positive mental wellbeing and resilience through the highs and lows of their career.
Created by Generation Arts. This production is supported using public funding by Arts Council England.
Hosts: Ali Godfrey & Unique Spencer
Acting Strong
Tamara Lawrance: Fearless in Get Millie Black, the courage to choose carefully, building a career that matters
What happens when a performer refuses to compromise on their artistic integrity from day one? Tamara Lawrance's remarkable career journey offers a masterclass in building success through meaningful choices and unwavering self-belief.
Tamara chats to Ali and Unique about their recent work in "The Comeuppance" at the Almeida Theatre and their groundbreaking role in Channel 4's "Get Millie Black" – a production they describe as "seminal" for its unprecedented representation of diverse Jamaican communities and centering of queer and trans stories. Filmed primarily in Kingston with local talent, the series reconnected Tamara with their heritage while showcasing Jamaica's rich creative ecosystem to international audiences.
The conversation reveals Tamara's approach to career development, guided by a simple yet powerful principle: "If I only have a finite pool of energy, I want to give it to something that I care about." This intentionality has resulted in an impressive body of work spanning prestigious stages like the National Theatre alongside major screen productions for BBC, Netflix, and Channel 4.
Most compelling is Tamara's vulnerability about their journey from a shy drama school student who experienced anxiety to the confident professional they are today.
Whether you're a beginner actor, fellow artist or someone seeking inspiration for your own creative path, Tamara’s story demonstrates how authenticity, preparation, and resilience can create a career that's not just successful, but deeply fulfilling. Listen now for insights that will transform how you approach your artistic journey.
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Unique Spencer (Host)
Tamara Lawrance (Guest)
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Hello everyone, you are listening to Acting Strong. It's a podcast that helps explore resilience for stage-ready, mind-ready artists, brought to you by Generation.
Ali Godfrey:Arts. The line-up of guests have all tested their resilience, so come see what you can learn. We are your hosts.
Unique Spencer:I'm Unique, a professional actor,
Ali Godfrey:and I'm Ali, founder of Generation Arts.
Unique Spencer:On today's episode we are speaking to actor Tamara Lawrence about their fearless career working on shows such as Get Millie Black, the Silent Twins and Shakespeare at the National Theatre. This production is supported using public funding by Arts Council England. Let's get started. What was the last project that you were working on?
Tamara Lawrance:The last project I was working on was a play called the Comeuppance, which was at the Almeida Theatre Almeida, I never know how to say it, but yeah, that was a lot of fun. It was actually the UK premiere of that show because it had come out before in New York with a writer called Brandon Jacobs Jenkins and the director was American as well and he directed the original production. So we were in really safe hands, like the people original set designer had also come over as well. So people who really knew the world knew the story and, um, it was kind of set around five friends were having a high school reunion. So it's sort of like people in our generation may be slightly older, so mid, mid to late 30s, who had seen kind of a whole host of things in the 20 years. They hadn't seen each other. So you know, um, and it was a vibe like the.
Tamara Lawrance:The theater was a great place to work. It was kind of a really intimate cast as well. So there's only five of us and the friendship group were known as the multi-ethnic reject group, collectively known as merge. So it was really nice to be in like a diverse cast as well, because it was all written that we were all different ethnicities as well. Yeah, so that was like one of the the highlights of of last year for me doing that, that play to get back on stage and it like I know you've got a play coming up as well. It's nice, yeah, able to get, get back into the process of things, which is kind of different to to screen a little bit, but yeah.
Ali Godfrey:I was going to ask that do you have like a preference or do you like doing both screen and theatre?
Tamara Lawrance:I love doing both. I think I think they lend themselves to to one another. I think I mean, yeah, you don't get the rehearsal time, usually on screen, that you would on for a play, so I always feel like the, the organic process of seeing the, the story come together in the world build. I really, really love in theatre and I miss in screen and I wish screen had more of that. But also, I don't know, it's something fun about kind of, with screen, you're tackling something different every day, whereas obviously, kind of theatre can be, sometimes runs can get a bit. You know there's always a hump in the run where you're like, okay, you know we've got two weeks left, like you know, keeping it fresh, keeping it alive, um, whereas, like, screen gives you new challenges every day, which also can be fun.
Tamara Lawrance:I mean it also, obviously it pays more. So sometimes I'd love to do a play but I need the bread, so it's like you know, it's that, it's that kind of, yeah, it's that kind of thing. But I love, I love both and I think, as for as long as possible, I'd love to be able to to continue to do both as well. I think they they train different muscles and it's important to do both if you can.
Unique Spencer:Yeah, I think your CV reflects that. There's like some big boy credits for theatre. There's big boy credits for TV, like across the board, from Netflix, bbc, channel 4, like from National to Almeida, to like all of these big, big, big organisations that when you get into acting, you could only dream of. And now you're here doing it like, and that's. That's incredible. One thing I wanted to talk about is what's going on right now on Channel 4.
Unique Spencer:We've got Get Millie Black like, which is honestly, anyone tuned in listening to this right now, jump to your tv screens and watch that, because that is just. We ain't never seen nothing like this before t we ain't seen it before. Like, talk to us about this, because this is just mad.
Tamara Lawrance:Like you're filming in your, in your mother country, like in Jamaica, like the cast is Jamaican, like it's crazy honestly it was such a powerful experience I can't lie like I didn't grow up going back and forth a lot in it. So the last time I went to jamaica I was a child and so to kind of have something that gave me a direct community, a direct connection to this motherland, like and and experiences that were just my own as well, and you know my own community and friends there. Um, it was such a you know as well, as you know, and the amazing sort of um acting opportunity it was and creative opportunity it was. Like it was so profound and like meeting the amount of the amount of talent, like local talent that exists. It's so seminal, especially for the queer and trans community. You know, um to have hibiscus as a character centered. You know, for us to be as an audience, empathizing with her, following her story. You know seeing what the trans community go through.
Tamara Lawrance:It was China's acting debut as well and it's just like what a gift, what an incredible standout performance.
Tamara Lawrance:You know like I think the show gives us so much. It's a a project that I think is very seminal for the not only the Caribbean canon, but for the international canon really, because, as you know, unique says it's like we've not seen anything like it before. So I feel proud, you know, now that it's officially out in the world and people can see it, and I hope that it gains traction and that communities will see it and feel emboldened by it and that producers and stuff can see that like you can. You know a big show can be filmed in Jamaica, because I think obviously we've seen Top Boy and Champion and kind of snippets of episodes filmed out there. But for Get Many Blacks, the majority of the show, so like four out of the five episodes, were shot in Kingston. So it just goes to show that it can be done. You know the local talent is there, the local crew is there, so hopefully it brings up more work as well for the Jamaican population.
Ali Godfrey:As you were saying, it's so, it's so unusual in terms of, like, all the different stories that it's depicting in one show. It's it, and it doesn't feel tokenistic in any way. It's completely authentic, but it's so it's so unusual. Um, how did it kind of come to you like, was it just something that that fell on your lap, or how did you find out about this? Because it's such an unusual um role and and show. In that respect, yeah, I.
Tamara Lawrance:It actually came to my awareness via a friend who was going in for the costume designer on the job um Kobe, Kobe Yates. Like we got Kobe Yates, we worked together on um the he was the associate designer on Silent Twins, so that's how we became friends. And then he um, yeah, yeah, he's, he's so supportive and he's always, like you know, sharing things amongst community because you know, it's always it's nice when we get to work together in it. And so he was like oh, I wrote this amazing script. You could definitely be seen for this role. You should tell your agents about it. And I did.
Tamara Lawrance:My third round was in LA, in person. I was going out there to visit a friend anyway, and then I just let my agent know, like you know, if anything comes, if anything happens with this job, like you know, I'm in LA, so I could, you know, I could go and meet in person and and yeah, and it so happened that just happened to be in LA, yeah yeah, you know, but yeah, um, um, a week or so later found out that I got the job.
Tamara Lawrance:So yeah, it was fantastic yeah
Ali Godfrey:, congratulations and and just on that as well, it feels like, looking at your CV, that you you haven't really correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't done any kind of duffers like all of your jobs and roles seem to be really interesting and unique and nuanced and, um, it's quite a sort of curated career. A, it's fantastic when people can kind of carry themselves with authenticity in their job, but also, b, we know that it's not always possible, it's not always practical, is it achievable or accessible? So how do you think that you have managed to do that?
Tamara Lawrance:Yeah, thank you. I was wanting to be really intentional actually from the beginning. So when I left drama school and kind of throughout like in my late teens, just being really transparent, I had depression and my depression the agent that I signed with out of drama school. I was candid about that and just said you know, if I only have a finite pool of energy, I want to give it to something that I care about and obviously it's a collaboration, and there were many times in which she was just like you're, you're just coming out, it's good to just meet lots of different people, go up for things, meet lots of different casting directors, establish yourself, do good auditions definitely was doing that.
Tamara Lawrance:But when it came to kind of like choice of jobs or having to choose between things, I think I was aware that I know that I'm going to do a better job. If this is something that I really care about and something that I, um, can feel proud to be a part of, I think you just have to establish for yourself a set of principles, isn't it Like? What is it that you stand for? What is it that you care about? What would you be proud to have your face or your name against and so kind of just try to move through my career like that. And also I know that drama school talks a lot, or we think a lot, about casting and typecasting and things like that, and I think a lot of actors have a worry about getting um put in a box.
Tamara Lawrance:And so I tried to also be conscious of like, if I made one choice in one direction, to kind of, if it were, if the opportunity presented itself to make a choice that was was, was quite different, so that it's like you're always expanding your, your range and challenging the realms of what you believe you can do or what other people believe you can do as well.
Tamara Lawrance:So those were kind of, yeah, the foundations of my, my choices. But I also, I mean, I lived at home with my family and so that provided a level of security that if I didn't have, I might have had to make different decisions, because you know, as you said, it's not always easy to do that, and if you've got a, you know, like you've got to pay rent, then um, obviously that that might change the types of jobs that you go up for, the types of jobs that you accept. So I think I had a leeway there to feel a bit more choosy because I wasn't, you know, having to pay for the roof over my head at the time, you know,
Unique Spencer:can we start back from the beginning?
Unique Spencer:like where, when did you get into this? Like what was the first steps?
Tamara Lawrance:like what the beginning of acting?
Unique Spencer:Yeah, when did you? When did you think, yeah, this is what I want to do, you know. You know, I want to try a thing.
Tamara Lawrance:Honestly, really really young, like really like year two. I remember being on stage actually in year one or two and we did this play called the Rainbow Fish, which is just this really cute story about this fish that like all the fish are dry, like they're just grayscale, they're dry, and then there's one fish that's got like rainbow scales and there's a really beautiful fish and everybody's jealous and sad and then the fish like shares its scales. I remember being on the stage feeling really happy and then looking out to the audience and seeing like how the parents and everyone was happy and I think I just sort of associated a feeling of joy with like performing. I really have to big up all the teachers I've had because I feel like I know how pivotal a time school is in it and that like I went to good, I went to schools that were good schools that when I think about it now, it's like the teachers were kind and they were very supportive and I felt always very like encouraged, and so when I got to secondary school, the drama teacher was also the head of year seven but there was no drama club for year sevens or eights. Drama only started from year nine. I was like Mr Willett, please, you have to make a drama club for year sevens. You have to. And I used to pester him like all the time. And then he, when, by the time we got to year eight, he set up this extracurricular drama group for year sevens to 11s and we did like exercises and things like that, and then every couple of years they entered the Shakespeare schools festival. So even by the time I reached year 11, I'd had some practice in like Shakespeare and stuff, which was cool. And then I remember touring groups coming in and doing like Greek plays, like Eliza Strata, and I've done that. Now I've been the person that tours the school. So it's like, oh, actually like, yeah, it's so important having people that come into schools that you see that do those things.
Tamara Lawrance:Sixth form again, I had a really good drama teacher who he emailed me and was like, is this something that you're considering doing? Um, seriously, because if so, I'll help you. And yeah, and he did, and and like we worked on monologues together and things, and in my second year I was just meeting up with kevin and doing monologues and he helped me get into drama school and so I actually I I mean I flopped my a levels low-key, because I already knew that I was gonna. I already got a place at Darwin school before before we started any exams. So, yeah, my I literally there was no backup plan. I had to, um, yeah, put all my eggs in in one basket in that way. Um, yeah, man.
Tamara Lawrance:So I'm so grateful to the teachers that I had because they kind of really helped to kind of craft that, that journey.
Tamara Lawrance:And then, um, my family and bless them, like my mum and my aunt, like just to kind of bandy together to help me to do like a term.
Tamara Lawrance:It was quite expensive, but like I did a term at Sylvia Young's, I couldn't do no, I did two terms at Sylvia Young and then it was kind of like it was, it was too much money, so I had to stop. But like things like the Lyric Young Company and stuff like that that were more kind of low cost acting classes and stuff like that, like, yeah, and then by the time I got into drama school, that's when everything really like synthesized and all of the sort of honor around acting or the legacy of acting and kind of recognising it as something that has this huge heritage which I didn't know before, that like kind of came to the foreground and and just kind of was like, oh actually, yeah, this is a storytelling as a vocation or as a sort of aspect of society has its place and is really important, and and so from then I was like, yeah, I'm gonna really take this seriously and just try and go as far as I can.
Unique Spencer:Yeah, and then you ended up going to one of obviously the UK's biggest, most known drama school Rada. And what was that experience like? Did you ever feel like you were out of place? Or did you just always think, because I wanted to be an actor from eight years old, I belong here? Like I'm about to walk in this school, I'm about to tear it up, I'm about to show them what I'm made of no, I wasn't.
Tamara Lawrance:That it's funny, actually I wasn't. I wasn't confident like that when I think about it. I was confident in like a sort of quiet, like I sort of believed. I believed in in myself and I was like I wasn't. You know, when you're younger sometimes you're not as aware of limitation, like. And so I was just like, oh, especially because I wanted it from so young, I was like I want to be an actor, so that was just something I just kept saying, kept saying, kept saying and then, kind of like, just kept taking all the steps and then it was like oh, it was only when I got into drama school that I realized that, like, people auditioned for five years to get into this drama school and I was like what? Like, if I didn't get in that year, my mum would have been like that's it now done because you know, you know how it is as well with some families. It's like you know they're supportive, but they're also like but what do you really want to do? Because it's a luxury to audition five times, five years in a row, and, like you know, especially if you come from a family where it's like okay, at some point you need to start making money or you need to start like doing something serious with your life.
Tamara Lawrance:I struggled a lot in drama school. A lot of my drama school experience was some of the first year in particular was sort of battling with feeling a little bit isolated and I was really shy. I and also I'm now I have the diagnosis of neurodivergence but at the time, like I was struggling to connect with people and I didn't have kind of, yeah, ways in which and it was also the first time I've been around people who were from such a different class to me and I feel like you know, we speak a lot about race, but I feel like class is a big dividing factor actually in terms of how our experience of the world, in that, like people from all different ethnic backgrounds that grew up with me, we we have, we share an affinity, do I mean in ways, that kind of being in a year with people who are from upper middle class backgrounds with horses and and swimming pools in their back, in their back garden, and like, yeah, their parents bought them a flat for getting into drama school and just all of this stuff was like whoa, and so I felt a little bit alienated in in that way as well. Drama school is tough. It's an amazing environment because I learned so much about acting, so many pivotal things about acting techniques I still use today that I would never have got if I didn't go there, so I'm grateful for that.
Tamara Lawrance:Like it's an institution that is an age-old institution that has its isms and schisms. You know there's ways in which it was problematic. I think they could do more for accents for, like, people from ethnic backgrounds, because I spent a year learning RP and I never spent any time learning Nigerian and people asked me to do a Nigerian accent quite a lot. So I wait, they could, they could introduce more things like that. But like, yeah, it was amazing to see people grow and see myself grow.
Tamara Lawrance:But also third year it can get tough because, like, people get scared and I'm like people I don't know. It's just people get different size roles and so I was just like you know, I'm just going to keep my business to myself. I had a, I had a graduate buddy who said to me everyone else's career is none of your business. So I was like that's great advice. I'm just going to keep my my thing to myself.
Tamara Lawrance:Like some people were getting interest, some people weren't getting interest and sometimes people weren't quite sensitive to you know being. It's like talking about how many agents you've met up with, if you know that there's people in our class that haven't had any interest. So I just didn't say anything. And then I got signed and like all the teachers and stuff were just like shocked because I was really really quiet in it, so they didn't like they weren't. I don't think they were expecting much from me, to be honest, you know.
Tamara Lawrance:And then I left with an agent, but I feel like my confidence has really grown throughout my career as well, because it's like some jobs are really hard, some jobs are amazing and it's like you learn in it. You learn are actually I should have asked for this kind of thing in the contract, or these are the types of rights I have on set. Or like these are the types of characters I want to play next. Or like, oh, like this director is my kind of director. Or blah blah blah, like you learn about yourself.
Tamara Lawrance:And obviously, as a 20 year old woman to now a 30 year old woman, I've also been growing up in real time. Do you know what I mean? So, like now, I feel like I'm in a place in my career where I feel more rooted in who I am as an artist and have a little bit more confidence in my ability. But, yeah, I'm definitely really grateful for that time, for all of the highs and lows, because it is definitely catalyzed. Um, it's, yeah, changed my life. It's a very pivotal point in my life. Um, and and is, uh, yeah, a huge factor in why I'm here today thank you for coming to my TED talk. Love the diarrhea, no it wasn't.
Unique Spencer:and I think that one thing that I've taken from that is that, yes, you wanted to be an actor from a long from, from a young age, but then also, when you got into that field of acting and were at drama school, like you, didn't always have the confidence, and it's okay for people to start somewhere wanting to be something so badly and not have the confidence at that moment and to grow into it. You know you don't have to be perfect, you don't have to know everything about acting in that moment. Just take that first step and then you start walking, then you start running, then you're sprinting and then you know, like before you know it, you're there like you've made it like you're looking at your trailer with your name on it.
Unique Spencer:You've got your spotlight, you've got your agent, you've got cars picking you up. You're saying how did I get here? Like I just I just took one step, do you know what I mean? Like, and then you get there, and I think that that's what's important. And it doesn't matter whether you go and train, it doesn't matter if you go and do university. All it is is the the proper determination to want it to to happen.
Unique Spencer:And once you've got that in your soul and your body, it will, it will yeah,
Ali Godfrey:and I think that was such good advice your graduate mentor gave you as well, about not comparing to other people. Yeah, so so tough at drama school, isn't it? And as as an actor, or in this whole industry, comparing is like what is it?
Ali Godfrey:comparison is the thief of joy
Tamara Lawrance:, for real, I agree, I think yeah some people do themselves a disservice, wasting a lot of time comparing themselves to others when they need to talk up their own thing. There was people in my year that used to say things like oh, like, I'm just going to be working in a pub, like, and there's nothing wrong with working in a pub, but I'm saying. They used to be like, oh, I'm not. They used to make jokes in third year, like I'm not going to be an actor, I'm going to be like a builder down the road. And me, yeah, I used to just gently step away from them conversations there because I was like I can't.
Tamara Lawrance:I can't like, like I've put, my whole life is from a young age, this is all I've ever wanted to do, and the idea of not doing anything, not doing it or doing something else actually used to scare me. I'd be like, but if I didn't want to do this, if I didn't do this, what would I do? I didn't want anything else at all. And so, yeah, like what you're saying about manifesting it, putting it to prayer, putting it to whatever you believe, like speaking life over your life. Like what you're saying about manifesting it, putting it to prayer, putting it to whatever you believe, like speaking life over your life. Like whatever you want, like words, sound power. Like what you speak is vibration. Vibration is energy.
Tamara Lawrance:Like energy affects the environment around you, affects the actions you take as well,
Unique Spencer:at the end of the day, when you're an actor, one of the one things that you have to do is audition, audition, audition, audition, audition. So one of the one things that you have to do is audition, that audition, audition, audition, audition. It's your life like. You spend your life auditioning. What, would you say, are some of the things that you do to prepare for an audition?
Tamara Lawrance:I like to prepare for an audition as if I'm preparing for the job, because I think, again, it's like a you know, on some level, a power of manifestation. It also means if you get it, you've already started the work, kind of so, just like loads of and again I mean it depends like not every audition maybe needs requires the same level of research or whatever. But say, if it's yeah, it's like quite a big project or a role that is that comes in a world or a context that's got lots of like meaty things that you could get into. Um, do, yeah, start with the, the research, researching like who you're working with, like the director, the producer you know if you've seen any of their work, researching around the themes in the piece, what it's about, if it's about anything based in real life, stuff like that, yeah, research that break down the text, like what is your? You know from where you start to where you end. Like what's the journey of your character, what do you want from the scene, what do you want from the person you're talking to? You don't have to go to drama school to be an actor. You do not at all like there are amazing agents out there. There are amazing, like open casting classes and things that you can do, but, like from what I learned in drama school in terms of breaking down a text, it's like obviously being really prepared.
Tamara Lawrance:I had a friend growing up who was a boxer. He was just like, why are you nervous? And I was like, oh, I just don't know. You know, I'm just anxious about the performing. And he was like, but have you prepared? He's like, if you've not, if you're, if you're, um, anxious, you're probably just not prepared enough. Because he's like me. I could never step into a ring not feeling confident, because when I step in there, I have to believe that I'm going to win. And so he used to say to me a lot preparation is confidence, preparation is confidence. I used to write that on my wall.
Tamara Lawrance:Maya Angelou, says that she walks in. Whenever she walks into the room, she walks in with the love of 10,000, like everybody behind her that loves her, her ancestors, her family. Who can you walk into that room with? Like is there? Could you read the script and be like rah? This script reminds me of my cousin. I mean, I'm going to channel my cousin when I walk into this room. Whatever's going to empower you and embolden you.
Tamara Lawrance:A teacher in school used to say be selfish in order to be generous, and I know a lot of the time we're socialized to like, whether it's through, you know, gender or religion or culture or whatever. To like, yeah, put other people before you and obviously the consideration and inclusion of other people is important. That's not what I'm saying, but I'm saying in terms of like, living from your own perspective rather than thinking in a third party way. It can be like I want to impress them. What do they think of me? I've got to do what I think that they are thinking. I've got to do what I think they're gonna like, but it's like, no, send to yourself.
Tamara Lawrance:Make a choice that is rooted in something that you can really get behind as an actor in it, like it's actually. You know, make a different choice, make something that is, do something different. You know, and and don't be afraid to to be bold and, worst case, the director will just redirect you. You know, um, have things to say, have questions to ask, have an opinion about what you, what you're doing I, I just after that.
Unique Spencer:I just want to know, because then then we audition, we audition, we audition and there's a lot of auditions that we don't get right, like so we face a lot of rejection. Like what would you say that you do when you're facing that rejection? What are the things that you talk into yourself to say, like okay, like I can get over this, I can move past this, I can do the next audition?
Tamara Lawrance:Yeah, just what's for me won't pass me by and what passes me by is not for me. That's like literally. That was another thing that an older actor said to me when I was young and I really, really live by it. But if you actually deep it, it's like if if I don't see it as rejection, because if because it was never mine, do you mean, if I don't get it wasn't mine it can be really harmful to ourselves and really toxic. You know, to just kind of create narratives about how something was taken from you, because that's also where it becomes a very competitive and nasty environment between actors as well, where it's like, instead of being happy for your fellow person who you know, bearing in mind, is also living their dreams, is also doing something that they wanted to do with their life, so any win for them is amazing and inspiring, why am I going to sit here and be bad mind when, at some point, that person was also an eight-year-old that maybe just had an idea and went for it? How amazing they've done it. You know they're doing it like, which means I can too, which means you can too, you know, yeah, I think.
Tamara Lawrance:I think just having a practice, cultivating a practice of being happy for other people and also being happy for yourself, like learning to celebrate yourself and your small wins, like even now, it's like I haven't worked in a year.
Tamara Lawrance:So the play that I mentioned, that was last May, that job do you know what I mean? Obviously Millie's come out. Hopefully I get more work from Millie, but it's like in that time I've had tapes and loads of things that haven't come through. But it's like you have to meet the rejection with grace and be like, okay, but it doesn't make me not an actor, it doesn't make me not an artist. If I'm not working, how do I still create? And so in this period of time, I've been like trying to work on photography projects and like write and like do other things that I'm interested in, that kind of keep my juices flowing and affirm who I am, as, like you know, as holistically, not just like this one aspect of what I do, finding ways in which you you stay proactive and motivated, you stay creative, um, that that can affirm you outside of this career, which is like it's very easy to slip into this thing of getting all your validation from how much you work, um, which I think is very dangerous.
Ali Godfrey:It's really inspiring listening to you and um. We talk a lot about resilience on this podcast and it just seems that you've had, on the one hand, you've had some really good teachers and really good mentors and people advising you and stuff, but also you've had this incredible strength of character and sort of um groundedness within yourself where you know all of those different challenges when you started drama school and stuff, but you were just focusing your thought energy on the stuff you can control and not sort of sending it off into the universe and wasting it and even like just learning from all the jobs you're doing is the same kind of thing that you're demonstrating. So it's really inspiring to hear. So thank you so much and it's such a really really strong lesson for any kind of aspiring actors out there listening.
Unique Spencer:Thank you so much for being you. Thank you so much for chasing your dreams. Thank you so much for you know, having so much integrity in this industry to giving back all the time like, honestly, you're just, you're an absolute superstar. You're one of my favourite actors. Thank you for coming.
Tamara Lawrance:Thank you so much for having me, guys. Sorry that you only asked like three questions!
Unique Spencer:each one can teach one, so keep acting strong.
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Ali Godfrey:Each guest brings their own take on resilience, so so take what lands leave what doesn't.
Unique Spencer:Thank you for listening and see you next time. Bye.
