Piece Of Mind Podcast
Welcome to Piece of Mind, where we piece together the parts of your mind to help you live a life that’s authentic, unapologetic, and absolutely fulfilling.
I’m your host Ashley Badman, a mindset coach and psychology student, here to guide you through the world of subconscious re-programming, relationships, belief systems, and patterns.
This isn’t your typical mindset podcast. We’re diving deep into the core of who you are, tackling everything from self-sabotage and people-pleasing to attachment styles and beyond. We’ll uncover the deeper shit that makes you who you are, so you can grow, evolve, and build a life you’re obsessed with.
Expect a mix of evidence-based insights, energetic shifts, and a touch of chaos as we explore how to heal, optimize, and re-program your life.
This podcast is for those who refuse to settle, who are committed to living life fully and getting the best for themselves.
Get ready for straight talk, practical strategies, and a few surprises along the way. If you’re ready to stop hiding from yourself and start living unapologetically, you’re in the right place. Tune in and let’s get into it.
Piece Of Mind Podcast
Ep 16: Alexandra Orlandi on Mental Health, Wellness, and Relationship Dynamics
This episode highlights the interconnectedness of mental health, wellness practices, and relationship dynamics.
Alexandra Orlandi shares her personal journey through mental health struggles, emphasising self-awareness, proactive healing, and the importance of nurturing relationships while advocating for a lifestyle of continuous growth.
• Discussing Alexandra's educational background in psychology and personal experiences
• The limitations of conventional mental health treatments in psychiatric settings
• Nutrition as a pivotal factor influencing mental wellness
• Emphasising self-awareness and proactivity in personal development
• Exploring the shift to relationship coaching and its relevance to mental health
• The importance of communication and setting expectations in relationships
• Encouraging listeners to trust their intuition in making personal decisions
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Welcome to Peace of Mind the podcast. This is all about piecing together the parts of your mind so that you can live a life that is authentic, unapologetic and actually fulfilling. I'm your host, ashley Badman, and I'm here to help you get real with yourself, embrace who you truly are and unleash your fullest potential. You're going to forget all this typical mindset fluff. This podcast dives deep into healing, optimizing and reprogramming your life. We're talking self-awareness, self-acceptance and becoming so powerful that nothing can stop you from achieving what you want and loving every minute. We'll cover it all relationships with yourself, your partner, your kids and the loving every minute. We'll cover it all relationships with yourself, your partner, your kids and the world around you. We'll explore subconscious reprogramming patterns, belief systems and mix in some evidence-based energetics and spiritual insights. Get ready for a no bullshit, straight talk and a little chaos, because I'm here to give you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. So let's go, okay.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to the Peace of Mind podcast. Today, I am very excited to say that we have a guest joining us. Her name is Alexandra Orlandi, welcome. So to kickstart us, I have to ask the question that most people dread, which is can you tell us a bit about yourself. It is such a broad question, but whatever you want to tell us about you, we are more than happy to hear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to go with my go-to answer of I am a nature lover and a lover of lover I mean of love and also a lover of personal development and all things psychology, philosophy, and just any of the deep shit. You know any of the deep shit and I know that you are interested in that as well. But yeah, I would say those are like the top three things that describe me is I love being out in nature, the magic of nature, the science of nature. I love being out in nature, the magic of nature, the science of nature. I love being with people. I love giving love to people. I love and also just diving deep into my beliefs and my growth and the growth and beliefs of other people and just getting down to a human, real level with people. So, yeah, I've taken some time to really boil that down, so I would say that's a good summary of who I am.
Speaker 1:That was a good summary. And also, when I'm listening to you, I'm like, wow, you're really making your life sound like something you romanticize. You know how people talk about romanticizing their life and you're like I love nature and I love love and I'm listening to this and I'm like I feel like I'm listening to a really like warm movie. That is like you know how you have those movies that you just put on every night or like every second when you just want to feel comfort, like a comfort movie. That is what your. Your just speech then was like a comfort movie to me. I was like that is so beautiful and it makes so much sense.
Speaker 1:Now, why I have you on the podcast? Because obviously I follow you on social media. We met through being in kind of like a it's like a mastermind space together and I just felt like listening to you and seeing your content, it just felt really beautiful. You felt like a really beautiful and genuine person who's really passionate about creating change, and those are the types of people that I love connecting with. Those are the types of people that I love having on the podcast, because I think you have. You have so much to share and it's so amazing.
Speaker 1:The other thing I think if people are listening to this, they're likely going to be from Australia and they're likely going to notice that you have an accent, so tell us where you are from as well. And also, we were chatting before this started and she was telling me the weather. She just went for a hike. Of course she did, because she loves nature, but telling me the weather and I feel like you need to share that with us because I was like mind blown sitting in Australia, it's 9am and it's 32 degrees.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm in Connecticut state of Connecticut, in the United States, and right now, when we're recording, at 6pm for me and then it's 9am for Ash, and the weather here, which I just discovered in Celsius, is, or when I went hiking this morning, it was negative five degrees Celsius, with wind chill that made it, I think, negative 20, I think something like that and I literally nearly fell off my chair because I'm like sitting here in a singlet, I have the air, I have the air con on right now, because I'm like I can't sit and do a whole podcast without an air con, because I'm going to like sweat profusely.
Speaker 1:And then you jump on and you're like, yeah, I went for a hike this morning in minus five degrees and I'm like I literally cannot relate, but that sounds like I would die and freeze to death.
Speaker 1:But, I love that for you. It actually cracked me up, so this is perfect. So this is perfect. The reason that I actually got you on here is because we were actually chatting in the DMs and you had replied to something called my stories about being passionate about mental health, and obviously I have a big passion for mindset, psychology and mental health. Can you give us a bit of an idea of your background when it comes to mental health and what made you first, I guess, show an interest in wanting to know more about mental health and maybe help people with their mental health?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I would say that more of my professional background is that I have a bachelor's degree in psychology. So when I was in college I studied psychology primarily and I would say that it was more so about abnormal psychology, so like mental illnesses and diagnoses and stuff like that. But I also minored in human services, which taught me how to talk to people more and I wish that everyone had that combination when they're in psychology. But I'm grateful that I had that combination. So in school I kind of I learned both about how the mind works and behaviors more at a psychological level and diagnoses, and I learned how to talk to people with compassion and also paraphrasing, getting them to feel acknowledged and seen and all the above in that realm. So that's my school background, with that and with work.
Speaker 2:I worked at a psychiatric hospital for three and a half years, mostly actually all inpatient and mostly on an older adult unit, so with older adults who are 60, six years old and up. I did work on another unit for a few months. That was a psychotic unit and both were great. Both were great. I think that I have different views of how to address mental health than their views, but well, we can maybe get to that. But what really inspired me to focus on mental health, which is typically what people's stories are, is you struggle with your mental health or maybe you see some wrongs in society of how it's being treated. But for me I was eventually diagnosed with bipolar disorder type 2 in college, like midway through college. I do see diagnoses a little different now than I did back then, but just for the sake of this conversation we're gonna start there. But before that I was diagnosed with like just depression and anxiety and I, since I was I don't know sometime in high schools when I started to really notice the depression, where I would go to bed with my clothes on because I just felt like it was too much energy to change. I just didn't want to change. Or if I didn't do well on my homework or my essay or I didn't finish it, I would fake going to school and instead I would like lay in bed all day and pretend I was sick and actually become sick, because your mind is very strong and if you tell it you're sick, you are sick. I definitely had suicidal ideation for a long time. No attempts, but like I have written like a suicide note in the past and it has gotten very hard before. And when it came to the bipolar diagnosis it made a lot of sense because I had the moments of or.
Speaker 2:For anyone who doesn't know what bipolar disorder is, there's two types. One type is mania and depression, and then the type two, which is what I had or diagnosed with, is depression and then hypomania, so it's like a lighter version of mania. And with hypomania there's like elated thoughts, like fast thoughts you do or say things like very impulsively, you usually make some sort of risky decisions, all the above in that realm. And then depression. Many of us know what depression is, so like that low energy, worthlessness, hopelessness, all that stuff. And when it comes to bipolar disorder it's a cycle, so it goes back and forth, whether it be days or weeks or months or some people experience it with like five months depression, five months hypomania.
Speaker 2:That was not me, but like I experienced that back and forth and I also was, on paper, a great student and I really strived and I got really good grades. But that was a fucking struggle trying to like go through all of that. Like I remember that I would use up all of my sick days per class on my depression days and then attend all the ones that I needed to attend and still got A's. I still got A's, but like it's.
Speaker 2:So there's been quite the journey with my own mental health, but it was honestly in high school is when I wanted to become a therapist. Eventually I'm not a therapist, I am a coach, but there's similarities. But I wanted to become a mental health therapist or psychotherapist when I took my first psychology class and I just was like this is it? I love this and I don't think I understood fully at the time that I wanted to help people because I struggled with it myself. But in college that's when it started to click. And I don't talk a lot about this, but I actually am part of a nonprofit that has to do with mental health and the arts. Um, I just took a little bit of a backseat.
Speaker 1:I yeah, I'm listening to all of this and I'm like I don't want to, like I was like I'm not interrupting this because I'm like this is absolutely epic. I'm sitting here, honestly and I feel like anyone who's listening to this. I'm sitting here and I'm like in awe of you for one, for your journey, for your story, where it's led you, what you've ultimately decided to do with your experiences. But also I honestly had no idea that these were the things that you went through and I'm so grateful.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for sharing this, because I feel like it can be quite hard to share. It's vulnerable. It's vulnerable to share your struggles and what you've been through and you would obviously know, with mental health, that's half the battle really people feeling shame and judgment for how they're feeling and feeling that it's wrong or feeling like they're alone or feeling like they have no one to talk to. And for you to come on platforms like this and I know you have your own platform where you share really openly and vulnerably, but like even just the power in that, I think, is so, so amazing. So thank you so much for sharing so openly.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's so much in there that I was like I'm listening to you talk and I'm like wait, I want to know more about that. And I want to know more about that, the first thing that I remember wanting to know more about, if you're happy to expand on it. You said something then where you're like I was working in that job, where you're helping people over 60 and the other section that you were in as well, and you said just a fleeting comment there where you were just like how mental health was treated where I was working probably wouldn't be how I would do it or have the same views on that. Are you happy to expand on that a little bit and tell us why that is?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'll try not to get too fiery with it oh no, please let it out, get fiery go definitely get fired up.
Speaker 2:but, um, I would say that, like western medication or not medication, treatment and medication but treatment, when it comes to mental health, is just so run by money and so run by the big pharma, honestly Just passing out pills, that's the solution in their mind. When it came to the units, people had social workers, which is great, but social workers are more like caseworkers, so they make sure they gather all the right information about the patient, make sure that, like, they have what they need in general and that insurance is like working and stuff like that. And then they had psychiatrists, aka the medication. So whenever you saw a psychiatrist, you were going to get medication, and then there was no therapist. There were some group programs that were like some were okay and some were like. I actually ended up running my own group programs and I ran like bingo and trivia and stuff, because I'm just like these people need some fun who even are you.
Speaker 1:You're such a beautiful person, like to even think that I like listening to you. I'm like sitting here like nodding my head because I know that obviously we live in two different countries, so I have two different medical systems and all those different things, but, like in Australia, hard relate to that, like we are the same, and I was chatting to someone the other day about you know, about mental health and all those different things and how it's almost considered like woohoo to work on your mindset or actively do things that are going to help your mental health, rather than normalize, which I think quite interesting. But it's much more normalized to go to a GP after you already feel anxious and after you feel depressed and after you're having all these symptoms and then you're so easily prescribed medication. I actually so I had an ear infection not that long ago and I went to a GP and I'm trying to tell him I have an ear infection not that long ago and I went to a GP and I'm trying to tell him I have an ear infection and he agreed that I had an ear infection and the appointment ended up with him convincing me that I was anxious because he asked me of my history if I'd ever had anxiety and depression, and I said yes, and I almost regretted it immediately because I knew then he was going to take that and run and run with it, which I feel like mental health can also be used against you in in GP settings and doctor settings, all those different things and the appointment ended with him prescribing me an antidepressant.
Speaker 1:I went there for an ear infection and I left literally holding onto a prescription for an antidepressant and I knew I wasn't going to take it because I'm like I actually I don't, I don't need this. But it blew my mind and I almost got to the car so fucking angry and enraged at how quickly and if I didn't know better and I wasn't doing what I'm doing now and I wasn't informed about everything now I could have been someone that was like, oh well, maybe, maybe I do need this and maybe I should start taking this antidepressant. And it's not to say like I'm not fully again, I'm not against like people taking medication, all those different things if you really need it. But the system and how it works and how things are given out, and we're so reactive instead of proactive that is very much still the norm here as well and I find it so challenging, so I can imagine for you literally being in that space and in that like that way of doing things would have been really challenging.
Speaker 2:Yeah honestly, at the time I didn't. So at the time I was listening to podcasts and reading books and stuff like that and I already knew. So it was not that long ago, but in this time period, I mean, if you're a growth mindset person, you grow really fast usually, um, and there's been a lot of differences in how I view healing. I don't even view healing as like treatment and because healing is not treatment, healing is prevention and healing is healing is just growth, it's just growth also like healing.
Speaker 1:Listening to you, I'm like, literally like I'm like healing is also to me and I don't know like you can you could have a different view but healing to me is like actively choosing to nurture yourself and look after yourself and give yourself what you need and acknowledge what you need.
Speaker 1:And healing for me it's definitely proactive. But in my life and how I view looking after myself and as someone who also did have depression and anxiety and all those different things, I view healing is like this is a way that I live, like this is a way of living. This is how I look after myself every day. It's not something that I do when I wait for myself to feel depressed again or I wait for myself to feel anxious again. It's something that I commit to every single day because I value it so much. It's not I need to treat this and go on a healing journey because I need to fix something. It's I love myself enough to just want to live like that. That's how I kind of view it now, and I didn't. I was a really skeptical human being, by the way. I was like mindset ew, that sounds so lame. And now I'm like this is my life yeah, no, I, I agree with it.
Speaker 2:I would say that that's the way I view it too. It is a daily thing, like it is like if it's not for you, then you're not, you're not prioritizing it, um, but when it came, oh, what was I gonna say? When it came to, oh, yeah, the impatient, we had a lot of people who would come back and like, relating to what we're just talking about right now, it's because it's not enforced to be a practice or ritual. It's meant that, you know, inpatient is technically meant more so or the one unit I was on was more so if it was an emergency situation. So we'd often get people who were like suicidal and like came from the hospital to us and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Um, and but still, even though that inpatient unit was meant to get you back on your feet, it's like okay, then let's like try to figure out how we can help them make these little things a daily practice and instead of just giving medications and getting them to take medications every day, or just having them like color and do arts and crafts. And there was some more constructive groups on the other unit I worked on and I wonder if it's because they weren't older adults, and older adults tend to be more of like hopeless, like when they're depressed and down. We did have some people with like schizophrenia and stuff too. But um, I don't know like you're saying, it's just it is a daily practice and I don't think that was ever really enforced at all when I was working there. And again, like I'm kind of grateful that I didn't know all that I did now, because I'm glad I still had that experience there. Um, but if I knew all that I did now, I would have left immediately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's probably helped you even solidify. Now I'm so more than certain. Experiencing that and then experiencing your way of doing things now would solidify to you why you're so passionate about the way that you do things now, because you've seen a different way of doing things. I feel like it almost makes it easier and better and similar to not similar.
Speaker 1:I was in the police, which is different, but a lot of jobs in the police, which surprises people so much is mental health. We get called like I would get so many calls and in the police the the call sign for it over the radio was 351, like we've got a 351 and that meant someone who was mentally unwell and needed to be taken to the hospital but didn't want to go to the hospital. And it's quite upsetting because in the police our training went for like I think, eight months. There's a small, small, small segment in our lessons of kind of learning about mental health but not really like not really. And then we're going to just me and my partner to this job of someone who is obviously very mentally unwell because getting to the point where they're going to harm themselves or somebody else and need to be taken to hospital and we're almost having to forcefully take them to hospital and the ambulance is there and sometimes the ambulance would have ambulance would have to like like give them a medication to almost knock them out or make them like chill out or whatever it is, and then we're strapping to the bed and then we're taking them to the hospital and then the wait times in the hospital are so long and they're getting put in these like rooms that are just so awful and it just looks so scary, especially if you're at a really low point in your life or you're struggling with mental health.
Speaker 1:And sometimes they were just sent home. They were just like, oh, we don't have the space, we don't have room. Like, let's send them home, give them this that will calm them down. And I'm just witnessing this cycle and going to these jobs and I felt so yucky after them, like I would leave them, just being like I did nothing to help that person, like I don't even know what I meant to be doing because I haven't learned anything about this, and like this is the system. And I feel like we have come so far with mental health, like absolutely, at least it's something now we talk about, it's something that we try and remove shame and judgment from. But I feel like the system itself has a long way to go to catch up to how we deal with with mental health and not just having people talk about it openly, but fundamentally changing how we handle mental health and the resources that we provide and what we have available to people. I think there needs to be a real shift here, and it sounds like over in the States as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what's funny is that our hospital was claimed to be number one in the country.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, and you're like, if this is the best, we're in trouble. If this is as good as it gets.
Speaker 2:Guys. Oh my God, and I I mean, based on, like, my understanding of how much you value your growth and your health and all that stuff I'm sure that you value your nutrition as well. Oh, my fucking god, the food is not. It is there not it, not it I? It blows my mind. I'm like if I eat that in my day, I'm depressed, I can't. It's just, it's not like all of it's the worst things, but it's how much food they're getting.
Speaker 2:The options aren't that expansive in nutrition that they're getting, and it's clear that the food doesn't. There's not enough effort in the food in my, in my opinion, and just like how it's cooked and stuff too. And I think that when you're really down, I mean we were getting the people that you're talking about, the people that were put in the ambulance and coming to either first the medical hospital and then us, which is quite the long journey for them, or just straight to us, and it's just like we want them, I, I want them to have like the best experience possible, the most comfortable experience possible, while also nurturing their bodies, because your mind body connections are so strong, like your mind and body might as well just be the same thing. I think it is the same thing, honestly, like it just is. It's all connected.
Speaker 1:There's no mind-body. It's one thing I would love to hear. If someone is listening to this and they're not even sure, what are you talking about? Mind-body connection and how is nutrition even relevant when it comes to this conversation? Can you give a little bit of a rundown of why you think nutrition is relevant when it comes to mental health or or mindset, and even if it?
Speaker 1:doesn't necessarily have to be mental health. I know that that's what we're talking about right now, but if we're bringing it back to being preventative and focusing on yourself before you have any mental health issues or any of those different things, how does, like, a mind-body connection relate to this conversation and how does nutrition relate to this conversation?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think that's a great question and this is something that I've learned a lot about within the past like two years, and I'm so grateful. One first recommendation a book is Gut Feelings by Dr Will Cole. That was a very simple, clear, easy book to understand the mind-gut connection.
Speaker 2:What you eat and what you put into your body is what you are, whether you know whether that be your body structure or the way your hormones work, and if you know anything about hormones, hormones affect the way that your brain works and interact with the neurotransmitters and all that stuff. So, even so, serotonin is both I think it's both a hormone and a neurotransmitter. Is my understanding of serotonin, and serotonin is really important in your mood regulation and the hormone serotonin also lives in your gut. It's like in your digestive system, in the lower area, and even if you put sugar in your body, it disrupts it, like it I think I forget if it's like hard to for it changes the way that the hormones are reacting and it messes up. It messes your mood regulation. So literally, just eating like straight, like processed sugar, messes up your, your hormones. That is, connect has a direct connection to your brain, your actual brain, and it's changing things in your brain to not be able to regulate your mood.
Speaker 1:I literally love that comment, like I love this. I love that you're saying this because it's like, obviously people know, like I think we all have a basic understanding of that if you eat a lot of processed food or a lot of takeaway or things like maccas, like all those different foods, we know generally that we feel sluggish, but we think it's because we feel like heavy or like the oil. We think it's because of that. But when you break it down to it, the level that you have broken it down to, it's not that you just feel sluggish. It's impacting your gut and when you impact your gut, your gut is constantly talking to your brain. Your brain is talking to your gut and you're impacting how your brain works. You're impacting how you can think, you're impacting your mood. You're impacting your hormones.
Speaker 1:Like, what you eat can literally not just make you feel sluggish. It can change how you feel about yourself. It can change the decisions that you're making. It can change how you view the world, what you think that you're capable of and like to.
Speaker 1:When you first hear that, it can sound kind of like absolutely fucking not like. That does not sound like it. But it's like it's science, like it's literal science and it's like you don't then have to go like cut out every single, like don't ever eat chocolate or whatever but if you can just start to make small changes with the types of food you're eating more whole foods, foods where the ingredient is the ingredient, there's not an ingredient list. Having more water, like being more hydrated all of these things can impact your mood and how like confident you feel and how like good your decisions are so much. And I just like I love that, because when I started learning that, I was like, oh my god, I need to clean this shit up, like I really need to be more mindful of what I'm putting in my body, because no amount of meditating or journaling is going to actually, you know, do the work for me when it comes to that gut and brain connection.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2:I really think the food is so fundamental and I don't, honestly, I'm having a hard time trying to find a doctor who's willing to like diagnose me with something. But I don't know if I have endometriosis or something, something in the womb area, right, but, like, when it comes to my luteal phase of, like, my menstrual cycle, if I eat anything unprocessed or sorry, processed, and anything that's sugar or just not real, my thoughts will go from positive I got this, I can do this to all, like you said, all the thoughts being against you and in reality, just so many of your thoughts, like I think your subconscious is 95% of, like your brain. So, like your brain, your subconscious is being affected by that food and it's just shooting off the thoughts based on, like, your hormones and your neurotransmitters being off. So it's making these thoughts for you and you think that there's something wrong with you. That's something like you need to meditate, you need to journal, like you're saying, but in reality it was just the food making your brain a physical thing in your body.
Speaker 2:That is a machine. Make it work a certain way. Yeah for me.
Speaker 2:I don't know if like endometriosis I think endometriosis is like related to food and maybe I didn't need to preface with that, but like, just for me, that's a very strong reaction when that, when I experienced that and I've had to learn, okay, those are, that's not me, that's not me. Like we don't have to figure, analyze, alex, like where is the holes in your mindset? Like this is like literally, the food is fucking me up yeah, I love.
Speaker 1:I do love that so much. And I do want to ask you a question, because you did mention earlier you had depression and then you were later diagnosed with bipolar and then you also kind of said something in there of getting a diagnosis and not sure if you kind of like fully I don't know, I don't know what you use, but it was kind of like you were saying you're not sure you fully buy into diagnosis or something like that. Can you give us a bit of a rundown of you receiving that diagnosis versus how you feel about it now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think at the time it was so. At the time I denied it, and then I came to accept it, and it helped me feel acknowledged and validated, like my experiences were not. You know, it wasn't just me, and there was something that was in a pattern for people and that was not alone, and so that was helpful. I do think a diagnosis can be helpful in that respect. However, I think we see it too much of like weakness and too much of this is, uh, inevitable and untreatable, fully. Well, I think that there is.
Speaker 2:I think there is so much full healing that can happen if you address the causes as to you know what led you here. And I do think, though, that there are some diagnoses where it has more biological things. Like, for example, bipolar disorder is a little more biological. So it is. There is something more um, an indicator in your mind compared to, maybe just like depression or anxiety, um, and I think that when you heal, you do a lot of healing for like past, whether it be past generations or past lifetimes, and so there is a lot of healing to do.
Speaker 2:But I do think that if you get at a cause that it, you can heal it, and I think that when we, when we think of diagnoses, we think this is something I'm going to have forever, and I just don't think that's true and I don't think we see it enough as like that there's causes and that our bodies, our minds, are doing what they do to protect us. And instead of seeing it as what our minds and bodies do to protect us from the experiences we've had, or maybe in past generations and stuff um, we see it instead as that our body is dysfunctional and that is like not the case. That's that's actually functional, to have reacted that way to that cause yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that yeah, I love that outlook of like okay, so having a diagnosis can bring you some sort of like, I guess, a bit of a relief, because you're like okay, there is something that was actually going on that wasn't just me and there were things that were contributing to this, but at the same time, this is not going to define me. This is not who I am. This is more okay. Now I know this.
Speaker 1:What can I do to start to get more curious about why this has maybe occurred and how can I start to actually help myself rather than just be, well, I'm someone with bipolar and that's just my life now and that's just who I am and that's just.
Speaker 1:You know the struggles that I'm going to face of these struggles and rather kind of just submit to like my life's going to be a struggle because I have these things. It's like, how can I actually help myself? How can I heal myself? How can I do things in my day to day that are going to help me not have these struggles? And I think having that outlook it's probably quite rare, because I feel like when you hear a diagnosis like that, your initial thoughts are probably like well, that's going to be my life now, all of these issues, all of these symptoms that are to do with bipolar, are now my life. Now, rather than like okay, what can I do to help myself, I'd be interested to know, from that diagnosis to who you are now, what are types of things that you do, do that you feel, help yourself.
Speaker 2:So I will reveal that there is one medication that I take that I did start taking a few years ago and I do plan to eventually like fully come off that I've I've gone down in dosage. I just want to be careful because I know that you know your body gets used to certain medication and you need to be careful if you lean off it. But otherwise, like what have I done to like help myself a lot? I, oh my goodness, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:It's like just such a long list Like for example, like you said, meditation, journaling, but honestly, truly, truly believe that being in nature often really fucking helps me, like I there, um, there is. You know, have you heard of forest bathing? No, but please tell us, okay. So their forest bathing just has to do with like being in the forest and seeping in the? Um has to do with like being in the forest and seeping in the? Um, or seeping in I don't know that, seeping is not the right wording taking in the benefits of nature, um, it's simply that, but there's science behind it.
Speaker 2:Like, for example, there's oils that come off trees, that are pretty much like essential oils, right, um? But they actually like improve your mood, improve your energy and they help regulate your nervous system. So they help you come back to like homeostasis and also the same rhythms in your body and systems in your body match. The systems and rhythms of nature, like, for example, the rivers and the streams is the same as our blood. Um, how there's air and wind. We have a respiratory system. How there's day and night, like sun and moon, we have, we have that internal um, what's it called? The, the internal alarm system? I forget what it's called.
Speaker 1:Circadian rhythm no.
Speaker 2:It's like they're all it's the same systems and rhythms that when you're out in nature, your body since you are nature actually starts to re-regulate with that, and that's really helpful too. There's literally so many. It helps. Like being out in nature helps you with your sleep too. Like there are so many benefits and I actually didn't learn all these benefits until as of recent, but I've just gone out in nature so so much that I just feel like that's been such a big game changer. I mean, I can answer this question in so many ways, like I don't even know where to start, but I want to say that and put an emphasis on that, because I want people to hear to go out in nature, yeah.
Speaker 1:I a hundred percent agree with you. So we've the last three years we've moved to a different location, so I've lived here for three years and it's by the beach and I love the water so much. I love the ocean, being at the I try and go every single day. So I try and get to the beach or just sit by the ocean every single day, even if it's just for 10 minutes. Or I'll start my morning with like sitting in my backyard Cause we're like backed onto like a bush area so you can hear the birds and the trees and the wind and all those different things, and I would say that is probably one of the best things that I ever did for myself, especially if you are someone who has been through a lot of trauma in your life and your nervous system is stuck in that constant state of dysregulation and maybe to the point where you don't even realize you're stuck in a dysregulated state because you have been in that fight, flight, freeze or fawn state for so long.
Speaker 1:And you going out in nature has helped, because I went through a lot of trauma when I was younger and I didn't realize I was stuck in that state has helped me regulate my nervous system in ways that I cannot even describe, and it's like when you have a dysregulated nervous system, you quite literally cannot access the front part of your brain which is responsible for decision making and logic and making decisions that are best for you and being clear on the decisions that you want to make. Everything feels quite foggy, confusing. You doubt you have a lot of negative inner critic and it means that the parts of your brain that are more responsible for like emotions and things like that are the things taking over. So you have a lot more emotional responses, which means it's you know it feels a little bit more chaotic, feels a little bit more up and down, feels a little bit harder to know what you want and all those different things.
Speaker 1:And as simply, as simple as it is is going out in nature. It's free and it can change so much for your body, for your nervous system, for your thoughts, for how you feel about yourself, for how your day goes, and I could not recommend that more. Like, as soon as you were saying that, I was like yes, like everyone, it's free, go do it, make sure you're getting outside in nature every single day and benefits If you don't live in minus five degrees. Take your shoes off and put your feet in the ground, because that is really beneficial for regulating your nervous system as well, and I really love that. That has helped you as much as it has even in the freezing cold, which I think you're very brave thank you very brave, okay.
Speaker 1:so I did want to talk about we're going to shift gears a little bit and I just again want to just summarize, like, the importance of mental health in, yes, that sometimes you will need to take medication like yourself, which I love that you shared that but also, at the same time, be proactive.
Speaker 1:If you have dealt with mental health issues before or you have never dealt with mental health issues in your whole entire life, it doesn't mean that you can't do things every single day that seem so minor and so small, that aren't going to benefit you so much or are going to. I can't even remember what word I'm trying to use there, but you know what I mean. Like be proactive, don't be reactive, and I think from you being in the settings that you were in like, that's made even more clear, so I love that you shared that. Obviously now, if we go and see your social media which I'm going to encourage everyone to do after they listen to this episode you are now doing relationship coaching. So I am very intrigued to hear what was the transition from like, obviously, psychology, mental health into running social media business and focusing on relationship coaching. How did this come about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's a good question. And so actually there was a transition between where I wanted to be a psychotherapist and then I wanted to do couples counseling and then dating and relationship coach. But so that transition was is when I got with my current partner, I was like holy shit, this is how a relationship should be. I don't like using the word should, but I don't know I'm going to say ought to be, but the relationship ought to be. And I I've been in I'm 28 and I've been in eight relationships back to back to back since I was 15. And I just saw clearly all of a sudden of like holy shit, these are the differences between what I was doing back then, the peoples with back then, versus now. And I've always had a really strong interest in romance, like it's always been my favorite topic. I used to look up videos on romance, like in my spare time it always my favorite genre for books and movies, all that stuff. And I just never saw it as an opportunity to like use in a career because I was so focused on my, on mental health. Um, but when I got with my partner I was like wait, I can do counseling, still, I can do couples counseling and then what's funny is that in between, like what happened between that and the coaching is I'm when I moved from Massachusetts to Connecticut, I they wouldn't let me continue.
Speaker 2:I started social work school for one semester but they wouldn't let me continue, even though it was all online. But I was like, whatever, I'll just restart down here because I could not live in Massachusetts anymore. I just didn't have a good environment to live in that area and live down here, have a good environment to live in that area and live down here. So I just decided I was going to start restart social work school down here to continue with the couples counseling path. But I was.
Speaker 2:I had been listening to coaches on podcasts for like three years prior to that, maybe more actually and I was like, wait, I could do coaching. I'm like I want to run my own business, I want to call the shots, I want to do things my way, which, honestly, in this very moment I'm starting to see like maybe it's because in the psychiatric hospital I saw that with counseling there's just so much like structure and walls and I'm someone who likes to do things my way because I like to I don't know follow my vision, because that's the way I feel like I'm gonna best help people, so I was like I could be a relationship coach instead, like what a perfect combination, right? So that's like the superficial story as to like how I got to this point of relationship coaching.
Speaker 1:I love that and do you know what it sounds like? It sounds like, honestly, just a journey of you slowly but more like listening to your intuition louder and louder, like you're like, but I like this, but I'm into this, and it's like all those things have come together, like I'm sure that everything that you learn in your degree and then doing, you know, working with mental health and all those different things have benefited you in what you're doing now, only now. It's like you're channeling that into something that feels really aligned and I don't know about you, but same with me becoming a coach and focusing on what I feel really aligned with, like the passion and the. It's like you all of a sudden realize I actually can help people, because it was similar in the place where I felt quite like I joined the place because I'm like I want to change the world, I want to help people, and then I very quickly realized, wow, this is not the job that's gonna do that. Like oh shit, oh shit, this is not how I expected it.
Speaker 1:And then running my business and being like, oh my god, I actually can help people because I think when I left the police, or I was choosing to leave the police.
Speaker 1:I almost felt disheartened, like I'm not going to be able to help people and I thought that I was going to be able to and that's not going to happen. And it felt a little bit soul crushing because I felt like my purpose was always to help people and then, realizing I could help people in a different way, it just felt so good. I felt so like, oh my god, I'm actually going to fucking change people's lives, but in a way where I'm not like in a box of what I can do, in a way where I'm like I actually get to fucking help you. It's so exciting. So, listening to you, I'm like, yeah, I know I relate, I know Like, so cool, that's like the exact same story. I know, I know I good. So I do want to know then, as a relationship coach, in your opinion, in your opinion, what are some key things people often overlook about themselves, not about their partner, that is either going to kind of make or break a relationship.
Speaker 2:So I mean, there's a lot of things, but one, even in the first place, is to take a look at yourself, but take a look at yourself in the lens of curiosity, not in the lens of what did I do bad, because the lens of what I do bad is what kept me in a relationship before. So I feel like you can think that you're getting curious about yourself and being like oh, like, this is what I'm responsible for. But if you're just saying, oh, this is what's bad about me, so I should be with this person you're, you're holding your standards low, but because you're calling yourself bad, yeah. So I would just say, start from even just having a curiosity mindset, a more neutral mindset, and if you are interested in something that's more fun, maybe more of a playful mindset, if you're ready for that. Um, that's more shadow working, but, um, I would say, let's see, I'm trying to think of, like, the main points that I could get across here.
Speaker 2:I would honestly focus on where you're setting expectations versus standards as well, because I think we often this is again kind of like we think we're doing this, but we're not. I think we often this is again kind of like we think we're doing this, but we're not. We think we're holding standards for ourselves, but instead we're actually holding expectations for our partner, which then sets us up for disappointment, time after time after time, um, and then you get used to the disappointment and you're just like oh, that's just how it is, and so it just becomes a cycle. So I would get curious about like, where are you holding expectations for your partners for maybe your dates too versus holding your standards?
Speaker 2:And standards looks more like okay, is this person like this? And if not, like then I'm not interested. Okay, cool, all right, then I'm not interested, let's walk away, let's, let's go to someone different. Or if you're in the relationship and you let's say I don't know, it's such, a common example is like the dishes. I don't have a struggle with the dishes in my partner, but like, instead of like expecting your partner to do the dishes at 6pm every day, maybe the standard is more so to have a fair um, a more fair exchange in energy and how much energy each person is using, like in the relationship and then have a conversation based on that. But the expectation of like this person needs to do this, like you're thinking, oh, that person's wrong, when in reality you're making it wrong, like you are creating the situation that's making it wrong, and then you just get used to it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I know, I just kind of circles about that, I think think as well, like listening to you say that.
Speaker 1:I think another thing that is similar to that is sometimes in relationships we can want our partner to just do things because we want them to do them, or we can expect our partner to read our emotion or read what we need in that moment, and then when they don't deliver that or do that thing, we get annoyed at them or disappointed. But we've never actually communicated what we need, want or expect of them, almost like well, yeah, we're almost like well. You know, they didn't just bring me flowers home on a day that I was struggling. So now I'm disappointed in them and I'm angry at them and I'm frustrated at them. But we've never kind of communicated how we're feeling. We expect them to just get it, we expect them to just understand, we expect them to just know exactly what we want, how we're feeling, without ever having to communicate it. And I feel like sometimes, when we do that, we set our partners up to fail.
Speaker 1:And I think sometimes there's this whole notion almost well, if I have to ask for it, it's not as special, or if I have to say it, then it doesn't mean as much if I have to say to him that it would mean so much me. If you wash the dishes and then he washes the dishes, it now means less because I've had to say it, when really it doesn't mean less if you've had to communicate. It means the exact same. It just means that you both are more clear on what you want and what you expect and how you can meet those needs. Or you know, I had to ask him or tell him that I like him buying flowers. So it doesn't mean as much now when he buys flowers because I had to tell him and I just think that that's such a silly way to look at things.
Speaker 1:It still means just as much if you've had to communicate what you need and we don't need our partner to just do the thing or surprise us or just know what we want for it to be really meaningful and to be really beautiful aspect of the relationship. So, yeah, I think that can be a bit of a killer and also I'm like so guilty of that in the past of just being like well, you should have just known that I wanted that. He's like how, how should I have just known? I'm like I don't know, like we just expect that. Yeah, what do you like when you hear that. Do you think that that's something that can pop up in relationships and be a bit of a relationship killer?
Speaker 2:Oh, for sure, For sure, for sure. And I think, like you put an emphasis on, like the communication there, but I also want to like emphasize too that I think I said this. But when that keeps happening over and over and over, but you still choose to be with that person over and over, you get used to the disappointment and that becomes part of your standard. Okay.
Speaker 1:I have a question for you both for that, and I don't want to put too much pressure on you, but no pressure. But if you're in a relationship right and you're feeling a bit off about the relationship, you feel like there's not much connection with you and your partner. There's a lot of like maybe it doesn't even have to be like you're fighting or anything like that it just feels like you guys aren't really connecting anymore. Maybe you feel like you've outgrown each other. What are your thoughts on continuing to pursue the relationship? And just, you know better communication, talk more blah, blah, blah. You can fix it, we should work it out. Blah, blah, blah, versus. Like, at what point do you know in your heart and soul that it's time to walk away? And specifically, I really want to reference relationships where nothing is bad, like there's no like violence, there's no abuse, there's no anything bad, but you, just you just aren't feeling connected anymore. What are your thoughts on that? Like, walk away or make it work yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'm definitely very big on intuition, for sure, and strengthening your intuition, where there's a lot of different ways you can do that and depends on the person. For me, and being out in nature and like talking to myself and feeling like what my body feels like and when I do something that maybe doesn't seem logical but it ends up working out for me Like what does that feel, like, what did those, what thoughts came in my mind and what did my body feel in those moments. So I think really getting in tune with your intuition is really helpful for that and like I don't know, sometimes this sounds so silly, but sometimes I'll ask my gut, like, and it'll have a curtain reveal as to what the answer is. But so, like, everyone's intuition is a little different, um, but I would also check in with how connected are you feeling with yourself? Because if you're not feeling connected with yourself, then that might be leading to you not feeling connected with your partner and that could be something that is genuinely solvable.
Speaker 2:You know, with some help of trying to reconnect with yourself, and I think that some people will try one or two things, especially if it's like just I don't know, like meditation or journaling, but they haven't tried maybe like doing some more different kind of movement or just some other like, maybe, modalities. I would say that people should try different modalities to get connected with themselves. If they determine that they do feel disconnected, yeah, and they might be disconnected because the relationship isn't what they want at the same time. So that's where intuition comes in, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. So I'll tell you a little bit of a story before we wrap up, because when you were saying there, like, listen to your intuition and everyone listens to their intuition in a different way my best friend I'm sure she won't mind me telling the story because she wants to come on the podcast anyway, so it'll be fine telling it but she has recently left a relationship and they were actually they were married and something that she did when she was starting to feel quite like not not that the relationship was bad, just feeling that she wasn't feeling that connection and it had been quite a while is she was journaling, but what she did was she wrote down the things that she was feeling and read them back to herself and saw how it felt for her. So she would write I don't love the person. And then she'd say it out loud to herself and feel, if it felt true, like is that true? Or like does. When I hear that am I like, oh, no, that's. I could never even say that I do love that person. Or when I said it out loud, did I feel like, yeah, actually that does feel right. So things like that, like that's something that you wouldn't even think. And when she told me that, I was like that is such a brilliant way to really check in with your intuition. You're kind of listening to your intuition, you're allowing yourself to like bring it out, because sometimes, when things stay in our body and in our mind, it can be really hard to understand if it's like it is our intuition or not. So she wrote it on a piece of paper and said it back to herself and then felt how it felt in her body and ultimately was like no, that actually does feel right. And I was like oh, that is such a cool way to to connect back with yourself and really really know.
Speaker 1:But I think relationships are like so tricky. When you're like doing relationship coaching, I'm like that must be so tricky because there is no right or wrong and there is no one answer for one relationship. It is so dependent on the individual and the person and their experiences and how they're actually feeling. So like hats off to you for like diving into that and really wanting to help people with that, because I think it is so important and in my opinion and I'm sure that you do probably feel the same, considering you're doing relationship coaching who you choose to spend your life with.
Speaker 1:Who you choose to commit to as a person will have the biggest impact on your life, over any other decision that you could make, bigger than your career, bigger than anything, bigger than where you live, bigger than what house you buy, bigger than how you spend your money. Who you choose to be with and who you choose to have in your life as your partner will fundamentally change your life. So picking a relationship and a person that is fucking aligned to you is the most important decision, whilst equally knowing when and that it's okay to walk away, because I think the longer that people are in relationships, it's so hard for them to walk away. Like I've already committed this amount of time. What if I don't find a partner? What if I'm alone? From all those thoughts that pop up, but it's like there is no fucking more important decision than who you choose to spend your life with, and it doesn't matter if you've committed 5, 10, 15 or 20 years to someone. If it's time to walk away, it's okay, and it's time to walk away.
Speaker 1:So, that's my thoughts on that.
Speaker 2:For sure, and I want to share a little piece on intuition that might be helpful for people too.
Speaker 2:Honestly, people ask, like what is intuition? And there's so many different answers out there and I agree with a lot of them, but I think that the main three that I see intuition to be and I think everyone again can experience these different and could define these differently but one there's a little more of like a brainy answer, where your subconscious is registering patterns that it's witnessing through the senses, the five senses, and it's recording them, and so it's recording them so you can make faster, quicker decisions in the future, which makes sense, right, and that can come through as like a bodily sensation and then that leads into like your body speaks to you and that can feel in like an intuition as well. And then I personally also believe that your soul speaks to you as well and there's that your soul kind of works with your body to speak to you. And then actually this is, I guess the fourth one, but this one's a little more like iffy and how you want to define it.
Speaker 2:But then, there's, in my opinion, like the higher power which I think can influence like more, so like guidance. It feels a little more like guidance, like this path, and but that can feel kind of like an intuition thing as well. Honestly, all I feel like that. All of those can feel kind of similar to me, with like small differences, but in all those instances there might be a decision you have to make, that the decision that feels most right to you doesn't sound like the most logical to you or to others.
Speaker 2:And that's the tricky part about intuition is, like you, it's there's so much self-trust involved and, honestly, with the bipolar disorder, since I like went back and forth like hypomania, depression, hypomania, depression I did not fucking trust myself because like I felt like I didn't have control of like who I was. What I was thinking Was my happiness, even happiness, was my sadness, sadness or depression, like I don don't even know. So how should I trust myself? So, like, for so long I didn't know how to fucking tap into that and then eventually I figured it out, um, but like it's just that feeling of like this feels right. I don't care what anyone else says or thinks or what I think, I think this is what feels right.
Speaker 1:That is so powerful now I don't want to finish now. I could keep talking to you forever. I think we do have to finish, but like, I think that is the perfect takeaway. Like that, I want everyone to take that away from this podcast. It's like and that is relevant to absolutely anything, not just relationships but without self-trust, you, in my opinion, you are never going to be able to hear your intuition because you will continue to doubt every single thing that is placed in front of you, every feeling, every knowing. You will not trust it because you will have a but what if this? But what if that? But what if this person thinks this? But what if it's a bad decision? You will drown out your intuition if you do not have self-trust.
Speaker 1:So, if that is the one thing that you can focus on and that will improve every area of your life because you're making decisions based on what is best for you and what you actually want and I think that that's the hardest thing, and when I think of any hard decision that I've made in my life leaving the police, ending a long-term relationship, all those different things from the outside, looking in I looked bat shit crazy at like no one thought that it was a good idea. Like, why are you leaving this stable job that was your dream freaking job. Why are you leaving this relationship? You have two kids. You've been together so long. It never looked like it made sense from outside of me and even inside, I could think of a hundred reasons why I shouldn't be doing those things, but I just fucking knew and I just had to trust myself.
Speaker 1:So self-trust and being able to make a decision when nobody else gets it, and maybe even you don't really get it, I think there's so much power in that and that, to me, is like that is aligned living. When we hear like, oh, living in alignment, it can sound like really like flowy and beautiful and it can be, but it's also making really fucking hard decisions when no one else gets it and you, you kind of don't get it, but you do it anyway and and that, to me, is really beautiful. So I'm so glad that you said that. I'm like yes, I love this so much. I do have three very quick rapid fire questions for you, so you don't have to like think too much, just like the first thing that comes to your mind, I want to hear it. Are you ready?
Speaker 1:I'm ready you're like I'm kind of ready, okay. So the first question. The first question is death row meal. If you were on death row, what would be your last meal? What sushi? You answered so quickly. I didn't even hear it. This is easy fucking sushi, slay sushi and ice cream. I mean, I'm sure you can have dessert on death row, all right, what's your sushi order?
Speaker 2:tell us oh god, I don't know like anything, like anything that involves, like raw tuna or salmon and avocado. As long as it has those, everything's great everything's so fun.
Speaker 1:I love that for you. Okay, I feel like that would be the most fanciest death row meal on death row, like bringing this raw fish in. No one else is having that, okay. So my next question is who is your celebrity crush, boy and girl? Okay, harry Styles. Boy Fucking love Harry Styles. Oh God, him dancing is something else, it does seem to me.
Speaker 2:I love him. I love him so much. My partner has accepted it.
Speaker 1:My partner's just accepted that if harry styles entered my life, I would leave him well, he, I wouldn't leave him, but I, I would. I want to get close um like I wouldn't leave him, but I'd, I'd want to get close. That is so funny, that's hilarious. Okay, harry Styles, I see that. Definitely, girl. Okay.
Speaker 2:I had an answer once and I don't remember who I used to have like a crush on Emma Watson. Oh yeah, like Harry Potter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, I see that as well. She is stunning.
Speaker 2:I just yeah, and she just seems very mature, while also being fun and also elegant at the same time and badass at the same time, and I love that combination. What a woman, yeah, yeah. So honestly, for the sake of time, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with that one say.
Speaker 1:I love that. Okay, my last question if you could live anywhere in the world that you wanted to live or even you don't have to live there permanently, but maybe if you want to live there for 12 months where would you pick to go live?
Speaker 2:um, so I've been wanting to go to Switzerland for a long time. I don't know if that's where I'd live, but that's, you said, the first thing that comes to my mind. So Switzerland, switzerland, because I love the mountains.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, why, like? Why Switzerland? I have seen it. It looks stunning and beautiful yeah yeah, the mountains Fuck.
Speaker 2:There's two other places. Can I share two?
Speaker 1:other places? Yeah, share them, share them, share them.
Speaker 2:I hate being given like one option. You're like like this is too much for me. So also, my whole family is italian, like we're all italian, and my partner is half of his family is italian, and so we both have like family in italy that are only like two hours apart, which is really cool. That's how we actually started to bond. That was our first conversation. So we've been wanting to live in Italy for like a year at some point, so, realistically, that probably will happen, so Italy is probably the more realistic answer. Um, and then my third answer is gonna be since I'm making so many friendships in Australia, maybe Australia, and then I'd get to like build my friendships there because they're so there, because everyone's there, we welcome you to come to Australia.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, you should totally come here. That would be such a vibe we were talking about before we started like recording that Australia is so much bigger than people who don't live in Australia think like everyone thinks it's like this tiny island. I was like you cannot come here for a week and expect to see everything. But I really want you should. You should really come here and if you come here, you should totally come to Queensland because that's where I live and it's nice and sunny here and it's definitely not minus five.
Speaker 1:It will never be minus five here. It never in winter. Where I live now like it, I think it gets to the lowest of like 12 12 degrees, not minus 5, 12 at the lowest. Okay, that'd be like, that's like warm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's nice like I prefer it to not be this cold, but I also. It's also hard to hike in like high heat too a hundred.
Speaker 1:I agree, I agree. Thank you so much for coming on. Can you just let everyone know before we go where they can find you?
Speaker 2:yeah, so on instagram is where I spend most of my time at aligned relationship coaching, a little longer than I would like to put it is that's fine.
Speaker 1:I will link it. I will link it in the bio below so everyone can go give you a follow which they definitely definitely should because you pump out some really great content a lot about relationships, a lot about healing, a lot about everything really just becoming the best version of yourself as well. And also you get to see beautiful views of her going for incredible hikes in ridiculous weather, which I love that as well. I love that too. Thank you so much for spending your night with us over there. I really do appreciate it, and I can't wait to have you come back on at some point talk more about relationships and things like that. That'll be a total vibe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like our conversation's incomplete. We have more to talk about but, I am glad that we talked about mental health, because that's also really important.
Speaker 1:Me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so thank you for having me on. This was a very fun conversation. I'm sure we could talk for like five hours, but we must be concise for the people, thank you.