What My Parents Did Right: A 19-Year-Old Reflects on Growing Up with Divorce and ADHD

What do children actually remember after their parents divorce?

In this unique episode of Parenting Shrink Wrapped, Sam Straub and Dr. Melissa Wellner welcome 19-year-old college student Tilghman Grim to share his firsthand perspective on growing up with divorced parents and ADHD.

Rather than hearing from experts alone, this conversation gives parents the rare opportunity to hear directly from someone who has lived the experience. Tilghman reflects on what helped him feel secure, what his parents did well, and the lessons he's carried into adulthood.

One of his important reminders?

"Co-parenting is not a competition."

The conversation also explores parenting children with ADHD, healthy boundaries around technology, the importance of listening before speaking, and why children don't need perfect parents. They simply need parents who continue to love them, support them, and show up consistently.

In This Episode

• What children really remember after divorce
• Why co-parenting isn't about winning
• Growing up with ADHD
• Healthy technology boundaries for kids
• Raising resilient children
• Why perfect parenting doesn't exist
• Practical encouragement for divorced and co-parenting families

About Our Guest
Tilghman Grim is a 19-year-old rising junior at the College of Charleston, where he studies History and Political Science, and currently works as a dockmaster at the Annapolis Yacht Club. The son of Mike Grim and Christa Welch, and brother of Isabel Grim, Tilghman shares his perspective on growing up with divorced parents since the age of five. Although the early years were challenging, he reflects with gratitude, saying, "I would have no idea who I'd be today if everything that happened never happened." A lifelong warm-weather lover, he's happiest when he's out on the water. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Don't buy them an iPad. Let them go outside.

SPEAKER_00 0:02

I love that response.

SPEAKER_03 0:04

Your kids outside, literally right here. It's a beautiful day outside my door right now. Like I probably said outside after this is done. Let your kids experience outside. It changes them dramatically, I promise.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Welcome to Parenting Shrink Rap, where two mental health professionals will get real with you about the joys and the challenges of raising children and teens. I'm your co-host, Dr. Melissa Wellner, a double board certified psychiatrist and child and adolescent psychiatrist and mom of three.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

And I'm Samantha Straub, licensed clinical counselor, longtime educator, parenting coach, and mother of two. Together, we'll explore all things parenting, from handling monumental meltdowns to first-time drivers. We're all about giving you practical strategies at work. Parenting Shrinkwrapped is more than just advice. You'll sit in with us for compassionate conversations about the complexities and the absurdities of parenting. We're here to support you and your kiddos.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

So grab your cup of coffee, take a deep breath, buckle up, and join us for this journey called Parenthood. We'll laugh, learn, and commiserate about the joys and messiness of raising kids. Melissa and Sam here with a very special guest that I'm super excited to introduce in a few minutes. But first, you know, Sam and I always end every episode thanking everyone for raising the next generation of world changers. And we recently had the opportunity to have a young adult work on another episode. And after that episode, we put out a call on social media for Do you have a kid who's a world changer? And we got an amazing response. So we have a world changer with us today. We have a 19-year-old with us today, which I'm super excited about. And this topic also is gonna relate back to our last episode about from a different perspective. So on our last episode, we talked about um with Amy Armstrong about how to be a co-parent um when you're divorced. Um just not on the same page as your other significant other. Um and now we get to get the kid perspective on that um from our special guest. So I am very, very excited to introduce Tillman Grimm, who is a 19-year-old um from the Annapolis area. Um he's a rising junior at the College of Charleston. Um and his parents got divorced when he was five. So he has lived more years with divorced parents than with parents that were together. Um so we're gonna get the other side of this story from one of our very own world changers today. So, Tillman, thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Tillman, I asked you this question before we started recording, but um I want to ask it again so our audience can hear your awesome answer. And that is uh we put the APB out for world changers, and we know that you you got this message not because you were stalking our social media, not because you but because your mom was. And she was the one who said, Hey, I think you ought to give this some consideration. So what about that? And I said, if my own, if I'd said this to my son, he would have been like, uh, no way, no how. I don't want to do that. But you were like, I don't know, this could be a this could be an opportunity. What made you say yes to this?

SPEAKER_03 4:19

Moms are very persuasive, that's first and foremost. Um But you know, I've always felt that uh the exchanging of ideas and the, you know, even not that this would be it, but the exchange of even like open debate and like healthy perspectives and just the just the exchange of like ideas and listening to other people, talking with other people, and just like exchanging like what stuff that like is good and stuff that's bad, and like how we can all as people grow. And I think that's really important in today in today's world, especially.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Well, we are so excited that you decided to to view this that way, um, as an opportunity to exchange ideas and share your thoughts on things. Um and uh at College of Charleston, what are you studying?

SPEAKER_03 5:07

Um study, I'm majoring in history and I'm also minoring in political science.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

Well, we need topics I've been exchanging, yeah, I've been uh into my whole life.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

We we need we need more civil exchange of ideas in politics. And so kudos to you again for being a world changer. We're looking forward to uh to where this conversation goes and to where you go. Um so as as dot as Melissa said, our last guest was uh a parenting coach who works with parents who are not on the same page, you know, for a while and and you lived that. So broadly speaking, tell us that story. Tell us that story of being of what you remember from you know living through your parents' separation. How was that for you?

SPEAKER_03 5:58

So uh, where to begin? So uh what I remember, so the the way I timeline phrase this is like this. So it was the summer of 2011, and um I hadn't started kindergarten yet. I was just done with preschool, and uh I had me, my mom and my sister had just gotten back from California, and uh that's the last time I kind of remember like my parents being together because kind of all of a sudden I like went into some sort of kindergarten orientation thing that August or so. And um from there on out I started uh I my dad got a uh like a duplex on uh in down on somewhere off Duke of Gloucester Street uh downtown, and all of a sudden I just remember random nights just like going there instead of being in the house that I was born and raised in. And I was at the time I didn't even really like perspective that like, oh, I guess this is like this is like a real thing. I kind of almost just thought like, oh, I'm going to see my dad. Like that's that's kind of neat about where he lives, because you know, we'd sometimes go to play on like the the playground at St. Mary's, or we'd go out and get some pizza downtown and some good nights like that, and then you know, I'd go back to my mom's and then I'd uh you know have like the school week.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

So so you don't and this is really interesting, and I think it's cool too for you, you know, you're closer in perspective than than we are, where we're trying to like tell parents what kids really experience. And that is as a five-year-old, one thing you were not thinking of was the status of your parents' marriage. You simply were thinking about where you were sleeping and who you were going to the playground with and you know where you were getting ice cream and with whom that night.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

That's right, yeah. I um I just it it simply was just that I um just had no perspective of like emotions to that extent, and like no perspective on the fact that like, oh, I guess these I'm going to this place for this reason. I honestly I I couldn't even tell you why I thought I was doing that at the time. I just kind of thought it was like uh I almost thought because like the kindergarten thing is important because at that point I almost thought that was like standard practice out there. I was like, this is a big transition. Oh yeah, no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

And I'm sure your parents explained it to you. Like, I'm sure, I'm sure they didn't just like your dad moved out and it was like suddenly you were going to I'm like I'm sure on some level they were like, Dad lives somewhere else now. Like I they I'm sure they didn't just say nothing. It's just you don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

That's probably true, and you're absolutely right. I have like absolute if there was any conversation on anything like that, I could not tell you when, where, what happened, what was said, how they explained it, none of that. I just remember we just went from we're all living in the same house, summer of 2011, to September, not so much.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

So what is like how the way you talk about your parents now before we started recording was fond, both of your parents. You clearly think highly and have good relationships with each of them.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

I don't know who I'd be today without either of those two.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

How did they pull that off? Like, like because you know, how did how did they pull off allowing helping you have such positive connections with each of them when they were not having a positive connection with each other?

SPEAKER_03 9:25

So they were, I I will say, um, it was definitely a lot harder on my sister than it was for me. And the reason for that is because they me personally, they they kind of kept me in the dark about what divorce really is for quite a while. And they both, at least to me, they actually I can't really remember a single time until maybe like I don't know, maybe like third, fourth grade, somewhere, when I could start having actual memories, right? Of them ever saying like a bad thing about the other, like in front of me, like not that I at least I can remember. So that didn't really, I didn't really think that like, oh, like they they like they're not like on good terms with each other. I was just kind of, you know, you know how it is with like five-year-olds, all all they all they know is uh I don't want to go to bed and uh can we have ice cream after dinner, that kind of thing. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Uh so it sounds like they they protected you in some ways. Your s your your sister's older, yes?

SPEAKER_03 10:26

I yeah, my sister, oh my sister definitely protected me. Um because she was by that point um around nine years old, so she could start to have like memories and a little bit more of a grasp of like what's going on, and like she she knew I think pretty early on that this is not normal, and she she didn't really know how to actually like manage relationships as individuals, whereas like you know, because I was five years old, they the only thing they as parents and as responsible human adult people, they they could be more on the same page of necessarily about what I need and versus what she needed, except, and we can maybe even get into this a little bit later, except when it came to my ADHD.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

Yeah, tell what do you mean by that? Tell me more about that.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

So uh this was that this actually kind of happened a little bit more um even before like the divorce started happening, right? But uh my mom was kind of too not that my dad was like completely clueless or anything like that, but my mom was the one who was who was like, he's not fine, he's he's not speaking in class, like he we need to get him looked at for something. And my dad was just kind of like, I think it's just like just how it's like some this kid particularly maybe is or whatever, but she was like, no, we're going to get him looked at, and she tested me for a lot of different things. She could probably tell you more about that than I could, right? But but the point is that she it was mostly um it was mostly her after like it came to light that I had ADHD, um, to an extent they were kind of on the same page and could be civil enough about what I kind of needed, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Did they ever did you ever get to a point where you could tell that they had different um different opinions or different approaches for how to meet your needs?

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Yeah, well, there's the there's the yes, like uh like in the psychological sense, but there's also the technical answer, uh, which is a little bit earlier on. I'll address the technical one first. Um I can kind of remember um a little bit. So for a little bit of backstory, I was placed on ADHD medication, and I actually still have this perspective today, right? But I didn't like taking any of the medicine because it would make me either like pissed off for no reason or it would make me hungry or tired or whatever it was. It just I it wasn't clicking with me, and I got to the point, even like you know, when there were only two types that they had tried where I was just kind of like, guys, I'm I don't need to take pills or whatever. And um kind of early on around, like in second grade, I kind of developed some like sneaky ways like at my dad's to like avoid having to take it or whatever. I would like hide it in my room and stuff like that. Whereas like at my mom's, like it was like dead set until I until eventually they all relented and I got off of it way later on. Tell you more about that. It was like um uh my mom was like, you know, in a good way, of course, very strict about needing to take my medicine before school and eating and stuff like that. So there's I guess you could say that that kind of difference was like I figured out I could almost get away with like not taking my medicine at my dad's definitely.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

When I talk with kids, that's what they that you know they figure out but how each parent runs their household and like what what flies and what doesn't under different houses.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

Well, it wasn't even his fault, actually. I will say he actually it wasn't to say he wasn't enforcing it or anything, he just he he he low-key was in the door a little bit for a while until we I got we all we may be smart, but we eventually get caught, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Um so as you're thinking, like I our listeners are mostly parents, but I will stand corrected because I said this in a in a previous episode, and uh teen listener wrote in and said, tell Sam she's wrong. So, like I'm listening, and I uh so I'm gonna stand corrected on that one. But mostly parents, what advice do you have, or cautionary tales, or like what what messages do you want parents who are splitting up, thinking about splitting up or who have split up and who are sharing um parenting responsibilities? What do you want them to know about how to do it right and what pitfalls to avoid?

SPEAKER_03 15:42

So um there's a I would say like the biggest, biggest one, and I can narrow most of what I kind of listed into this one thing. Parenting, co-parenting is not, not not not a competition. It is not a competition, and I think I think in their um in their attempts to be able to like express themselves uh about you know their disdain for each other in a way that you know doesn't give the kids a clue that like oh like you guys are like talking crap about each other. Like the it uh what I've seen whether it's intentional or unintentional, there's an indirect um outcome that happens where one parent might try to one-up the other with like certain things. So like uh like let's say like let's say this actually, uh I can list I can actually probably list a couple examples here. So like uh there was the uh there was this spot actually down uh by the Academy Bridge where uh it would be like kind of trade-off in maybe in the summertime or whatever, kind of they would just meet in the middle to uh oh like a neutral spot for drop-off?

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Yeah, yeah. And like let's say that like uh let's say it was my mom dropping me off to be with my dad, right? Sometimes like let's say that like I came like to his house like with like Chick-fil-A or whatever, and like uh he he didn't maybe he wouldn't like that I was like eating Chick-fil-A instead of something a little healthier, where and like that would maybe like upset him a little bit. And whether that was intentional or not, you could you could make the case that like that kind of like subtle thing could maybe be like an attempt to kind of one up the other. Or another example is like um my dad and uh my dad's side of the family, they do like summer trip to wherever every year, and it's like usually somewhere kind of cool, like uh like 2014, for example, was like Costa Rica. And like uh, you know, like that kind of that kind of trip and like everything that was planned out and you know how expensive that is, like, could even be like the optics of that could even be like, oh, like he's got he's got this cool trip that he can send me and my sister on, whereas my mom's like, you know, struggling as a single mom. And whether that's intentional or not, I actually don't know, and I highly, highly doubt it. But those kind of things, if I was like just a casual observer, I would maybe interpret that as like this is a little bit dangerous competitive territory, and parenting's not a competition, it's about fostering your children to be good people.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Yes. I love that, and I also love you know you put in your form, your response form to us um that absolutely no parent is perfect. Um and I love that you wrote that down. Uh we've said it before on the podcast. I know Sam and I have mentioned it, I know I've said it, um, you know, and it's you're not a perfect parent, whether you're still married, divorced, separated, like nobody's perfect. Um and I think it's awesome to hear that from a young adult saying that, who's much closer to childhood than Sam and I still are, that like you still really obviously genuinely care and have relationships with both of your parents, recognizing that they both made mistakes, it sounds like through the way, or things looked like it was a competition when it may or may not have been.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

Right. And I want to be I want to be very, very clear that in my parents' case specifically, I highly, highly, highly doubt that's the case. However, I do think that those kind of behaviors have the potential to evolve for parents who might not be as mature and as sensitive as my parents are. So I want to make that part very clear. Um And also to that point, uh Melissa, is that uh that's a core tenet of mine, like in general. Nobody is perfect, and any human being that tries to make themselves perfect or tries to do anything that you know, like to be a perfect person, you've already lost the plot, in my opinion. And I think that's dangerous territory for anyone to cross. The best you can do is just like the best that you know, and the the best that people around you can help you out in it now.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Tillman, um amen, first of all. Yeah. And second of all, how are you now personally, how are you navigating the line between effort and perfection? You'll never achieve uh perfection, but you're putting forth the efforts. Like, what does that look like in your personal life?

SPEAKER_03 20:26

So I actually kind of owe this kind of mentality all to my dad. Like he I I kind of remember these kind of conversations we had. It was actually when we got into uh argument one time about uh the SAT. Funny time, right? But uh the point is that he was like, uh I was like, well, what if I just like, why am I doing these retakes? Like I just like this thing's not gonna go so well or whatever. He's like, he's like, the mentality that you want in life is that you left it all at either all on the field, all at the table, you you put in all the effort that you knew that you had left in in you and did every single thing that you right that you knew that you were supposed to do right, and so and you win some, you lose some, right? And as long as you gave it your the very best that you know that you could put in, you've won, you've already sort of won.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

So let me ask a question. You mentioned that your parents had conflicts or that that you that you were like, I don't want to take these ADD pills, that you had the ADD diagnosis when you were younger. And what we all know, and I'm sure you do too, about ADD is it's hard to start things and put effort into things that you don't like. It's easy to put effort into things that are preferred, but it's hard. It's much harder to do. It's harder for all of us. Yeah, but it's like doubly, triple, quintupically hard for people with ADD to put effort into things that they don't like. How do you navigate that?

SPEAKER_03 21:52

Well, so um in my case, it's even a little bit more profound because I'm also hyperactive, so I'm ADHD, right? And uh so like even actually this interview right now, the chair that I'm sitting in, I'm kind of going like this and just like this. So, like, you know, like that kind of these kind of like hand signals, they they help me focus a little bit. But in a general point, um one of the thing one of the things, and um this this can really be attributed to my mom, is um it's helping me it's helping me to know like like be be sl and I'm actually still very much so working on this particular part, but be slow to speak and very, very quick and open to listening. Listening, listening, listening, and like being like, because that'll actually help you follow instructions to like to a T. Like at my new job, I I started a new job this summer, right? And one of the things that I found myself like being able to do that I didn't think I was gonna be able to like be as some as successful as I somehow turned out to be so far with it. Is I I really just like listen to the people who are the who are around me there, who have been there longer and like really, really paid attention to what they're showing me. And now I'm, you know, I'm really enjoying my job and like they trust me with certain stuff already, and it's like it feels good. And it's and it's just like I just think it's important to listen.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

Um I remember working with a student one time, and generally speaking, we use our top strengths automatically and with ease. And um I wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me, Tillman, if uh some sort of like enthusiasm for life zest wasn't a isn't a top strength of yours. You kind of exude that. Um, you know, I this is our first time talking, but there's something about your energy that's very contagiously high, like high energy, right? Like you and and warm at the same time. So like you seem to like life. Um, and I remember talking with another student who reminds me of you actually, and we were in this leadership workshop, and I could tell he was so jazzed to be there, but he was hijacking the room, and um like he was talking too much and too frequently, and um but but I like an amazing kid, amazing, and and I pulled him aside and I said, Listen, I know that you're you're excited to be part of this. And he's like, I'm so excited, I've been waiting for this. He was a senior finally, like he was like this was like like he was the the man in the room. I said, I challenge you to never speak first this whole two-day workshop. And he was like, What do you mean? I said, speak second or later, but never a volunteer first. Just listen first and just see what happens because I think that your strength of participants obsessed, like he was so excited. I said, I said, I think it's it's you're overusing it, and it's gonna have it's gonna have a shadow side. And he was like, Okay, I'm gonna try that. And he came up to me at the end of the, at the end of the workshop, he was like, I can't believe what a difference that made. First of all, people said things that I was gonna say, and I realized I had things in common with them. So instead of me speaking first, I listened, I was like, oh, they think the same thing I think. Um other people spoke, but long and short of it is I wonder for it's sage advice that you just offered or that you are taking for yourself and your job. But second, I wonder if the reason it works for you is because um like you're in a place that you like. Like I wonder if you have to like like kind of be very mindful of that because like uh the way you're talking about your job is fond.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Yes? Oh, 100%. No, I I you know I can actually be pretty open about this. Um literally just back in January, I was kind of like struggling a little bit because I was like, oh, I really want to get a new job for this summer because it's like time for a change, and it's like I just I just kind of wanted to be in like a new kind of work environment with different people, right? And uh I was like kind of stressing, and then I was, you know, I've been on Indeed a lot, and then I came across like a job like at a place that like I already like to be at and it's like that I like to be at and it's in Annapolis, and and when I finally got the call back for it, um I was just like I I was already just like I'm very very very lucky and very fortunate that they're considering me. And I'm and you're you're absolutely right. And uh that that story that you just told, actually, that um that is kind of that used to be me in in history class uh in high school a little bit. Uh and I I I did kind of have to like learn on my own and you know, listen to the higher-ups around me, or it's just kind of like just wait your turn a little bit, right? And um, like that kid that you were just spending with, like, you're complimenting my energy or whatever, like, you know, us Americans like at the World Cup were always like assume like, oh, like you guys are just so friendly and outgoing or whatever. That's the biggest compliment I could ever get. I like to be a friendly and warm guy because you know what, if you're gonna be like a prick right off the bat, then like you're you're not gaining anything. And I just think that like you I don't know, I just think that you could be you could have so much more to offer if you're just you know a little warm and friendly to people.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Well, it's very clear that you have um that you know you you you've got such gratitude for for your folks, but it's also clear that they're not um the only like there's a lot of influence that they maybe offered you, but that you took and ran with. So um it seems like everybody in this triad has done a lot of things right. Your parents and you.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Yeah, 100%. They, I mean, they taught me like they taught me the importance of hard work, personal responsibility, how to get along with people you might not want to have to get along with, but you have to anyway. And um they, you know, just taught me like patience, tolerance, and don't get me wrong, in terms of having to like seriously like learn that, I had to learn that myself. I just, you know, all I had to do, all they had to do was uh tell it to me, and then I'll listen and then you know figure out like how how that actually works in play on my own. And I'm glad that they did that because it I think it makes you a more resilient person is being able to experience some of that stuff on your own.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Um so if we've got listeners here listening who are now we've we've kind of hit two branches of this. We've talked about like being the child of divorce, but also a child with ADHD. Um do you have any recommendations for parents who are raising kids with ADHD?

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Don't buy them an iPad. Let them go outside.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

I love that response.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Your kids outside, literally right here. It's a beautiful day outside my door right now. Like I probably sit outside after this is done. Let your kids experience outside. It changes them dramatically, I promise.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

And I'm really glad to hear that from someone your age, because it's a big struggle as a parent, Tillman, to like get your kids off of electronics. Um and you grew up in an era where, you know, there was screens everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

Um it was a very new phenomenon, yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

It was new, um, but it was definitely much more available than when I was 19. Um and when Sam was 19. Um so it's really great to hear that perspective from someone younger when really it is fully at everyone's disposal now and readily available. Um and honestly, I thought you were gonna say something different than that. So I I'm glad to hear you say that.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

Tillman, would your 10-year-old self have said the same thing? Would 10-year-old Tillman have said, don't get me an iPad?

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Uh if I was if it was summer every single day, yes. But uh I I will I can put in parentheses, I'm a warm weather guy, and it's slightly easier to say that when it's like, you know, when it's 80 degrees out. But like even in the winter, it's like, you know, I I enjoy like being outside and like like I actually infected all my friends with this saying at school, like, and it's like I use it as a joke sometimes. Like, come on, man, go touch some grass.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

Yeah, well, there's to recommend that.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

Yeah, actually, there is one like literal piece of advice I can offer parents, and um, mom, I hope you're listening because I think you'll like this one actually.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Mom's absolutely gonna listen, and she's gonna share this with all the friends for sure. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Yeah. So, okay, she'll love that I'm saying this. I really, really didn't appreciate this when I was younger. I despised it every step of the way, and I found ways around it, and sometimes I didn't, right? But after all these years, I'm grateful that she made me put my iPad downstairs every single night before bed. Parents, that's actually a good strategy. It works. Promise.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

It's worth the fight.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

It's worth it to fight. After once they're, you know, once you're 17 years old or so, yeah, it's worth it. Trust.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Tillman, Graham, this has been such a pleasure. Such a pleasure. I'm so glad that we got to cross paths. And to all of our listeners, um, if you if like Tillman, do you want if you would you want to hear from our listeners? Sure. How how should they reach out to you if they if they want to get in touch with you? Instagram?

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Uh yeah, they can. I I think I uh placed my uh Instagram in the thing, so they can they can DM me on there. Um that that's perfectly fine. I've got uh DM notifications on, so if they want to send me a message, ask me something, send them my way. Like I said, I like exchanging ideas.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Awesome. We'll put it in the show notes. And just for anyone listening, um look at Till underscore Grimm. T-I-L underscore G-R-I-M.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

You got it.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

All right, and I can't wait to see how your ideas end up out in the world, because I definitely think you're gonna do amazing things.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

Thank you. I hope they end up somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

Yeah, we're gonna be able to say we're almost famous because we interviewed the Tillman Grimm back before he was the Tillman Grimm.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Oh, I'm not the anybody, I'm just Tillman. Not yet. All right.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

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SPEAKER_03 32:08

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

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SPEAKER_01 32:30

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SPEAKER_02 32:47

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