Body Wisdom Rising

The Healing Power of Sound Frequencies and Sacred Landscapes with Gabriel Logan Braun

• Alyssa Stefanson

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Sound you can feel changes how you heal. Alyssa sat down with sound healer and world musician Gabriel Logan Braun to explore Sonic Womb, a fully improvised journey that blends voice, handpan, Ngoni, didgeridoo, harmonium, crystal bowls, and live looping to regulate the nervous system and restore a felt sense of safety. Gabriel shares his path from a teenage dark night to bhakti-inspired practice, mentorship, and a decade of offering trauma-sensitive sound therapy in recovery centres, retreat spaces, and beyond.

Together, they map the science and the soul: how slower rhythms and low frequencies support a shift from sympathetic arousal into parasympathetic ease; why alpha and theta brainwaves invite calm focus and liminal rest; and how vagus nerve activation, mindful breath, and gentle vibration reshape our stress response. We also dig into somatic release—those twitches, shivers, and waves of emotion that signal the body is completing what it once had to hold—and the role of safe containers in allowing that process to unfold.

We pair heat with rest through Primal Fire, Gabriel’s movement framework that stokes Agni with Qigong, dynamic breath work, primal locomotion, and freeform dance, then lands in Sonic Womb for integration. And we travel to Sedona’s red rock country, where ancient iron-rich formations and year-round creeks offer a natural amplifier for presence and ritual. If you’re curious to experience Gabriel’s work, start with the Sonic Womb album, the Wildfire EP, or his new hip-hop track Breaking Through the Static—and, if you feel called, explore our intimate April retreat in Sedona, where Gabriel will co-facilitate with live sound journeys.

If this conversation resonated, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs nervous system support, and leave a five-star review so more people can find these tools. Ready to join us in Sedona or want to know if it’s a fit? Book a call through the show notes and let’s connect.

Gabriel's IG: @gabrielloganbraun

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https://gabrielloganbraun.bandcamp.com


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https://open.spotify.com/artist/0KQuIR2Js4Nx9vTM7NBU7J?si=UESxxAfCTO6BzJkE6h4W8g

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Sedona Retreat 2026




SPEAKER_01:

Welcome to the Body Wisdom Rising podcast. I'm your host, Alyssa, and my intention here is to deliver grounded embodied insights alongside practical tools and resources to help you heal, awaken, and remember your sacred nature. This is rooted spirituality, bringing people back to their bodies, back to their roots, and back into connection with the ancestral ways that have always carried us. Not spiritual fluff, not disconnected theory, weaving together the best of ancient wisdom and modern science, living, breathing practices and conversations that integrate healing, wellness, earth-based wisdom, and conscious growth. Each week I share space with experts in trauma recovery, holistic health, and ancestral ways of knowing, as well as voices with lived experience and powerful transformational stories. Together we explore what it truly means to rise rooted, embodied, and whole. And if you enjoy this episode, please take a moment to leave a five-star review as it helps these conversations reach the people who need them most. My friend Gabriel Logan Braun is a sound healer, holistic musician, and truly a human instrument. He works primarily with his voice, weaving in world flutes, handpan, rave drum, digger-de-doo, guitar, harmonium, crystal singing bowls, and live looping to create these incredibly immersive, somatic sound journeys. I first met Gabriel in Costa Rica at a retreat we were both part of. And from the moment I experienced his work, I could feel it, not just hear it, but feel it deeply in my body. His music is otherworldly. It moves through you. It creates a sense of safety, grounding, and remembrance that's really hard to put into words. You just have to experience it. Gabriel is the creator of Sonic Womb, a fully improvised sound healing journey designed to support deep nervous system regulation, embodiment, and reconnection to the sacred space within. He's been offering this work for over a decade and has brought his sound healing experiences to spaces like Esselin Institute, festivals, retreat centers, addiction treatment centers, and wellness spaces around the world. What I really appreciate about Gabriel is the depth of his personal journey. Growing up in Los Angeles, being exposed to many forms of world music, moving through a dark night of the soul in his teens, and then finding his way through yoga, meditation, travel, and mentorship. All of that lives in the music he creates, and you can feel the lived experience behind it. And I'm really excited to share that Gabriel will be co-facilitating at my retreat this April in Sedona. So it's a women's only retreat, and Gabriel will be joining us for a couple days, holding the masculine container through sound presence, and his deep relationship with the land there. He knows Sedona incredibly well, and it's such a perfect pairing. So if you feel called to explore his music further, I highly recommend checking out everything he has to offer. I'll link his work in the show notes. And if you feel called to join us in Sedona, there are just a few spots available right now. And I don't expect these to last long. So if you're feeling the nudge, I'd encourage you to book a call sooner rather than later. And you can also find that in the show notes. All right, let's get into the episode. So super excited for this conversation because Gabriel is joining me in Sedona in April. We are co-facilitating a retreat together. So he'll be joining me for a couple of days at my women's retreat, bringing the masculine energy. And I met Gabriel in Costa Rica at the Ottman retreat. So through Dr. Jesse Hansen. And Dr. Jesse Hansen, I actually had on one of these episodes a few episodes back. So if you haven't listened to that episode, definitely go back and listen to it. But you are a friend of uh Jesse's. So he brought you to Costa Rica to take us through an incredible sound journey, the sonic womb journey, which you'll go into for us all. But yeah, I experienced that and it was otherworldly. Like I went to a whole other dimension. And I've never experienced that through uh sound healing before. And I've experienced a lot of different sound healing journeys, but this was, yeah, a whole different level. You're just so incredibly talented. Um, so welcome. Super excited to have this conversation with you today.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much, Alyssa. It's so good to be here with you and with everybody listening in.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Can you share a little bit about how you got into this work? I'm assuming, so you're a very talented musician. I'm assuming that um it was a huge part of your own healing journey as well. But if you could just share a little bit about that um for us today.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, well, um, it was through the first kind of dark night of the soul that I went through in my teenage years. And um, I was still in high school at the time, um, just to be about to be a junior in high school. And um, basketball was my main passion. I was a complete jock and uh, you know, basically like had dreams of hoop dreams of the NBA and uh wishing I was a little bit taller than than I am, a little under six feet, and uh, but didn't stop me. So I that was my dream and my passion. And then I basically had a very humbling experience when I went to this West Coast All-Star camp when I played with people who were not only taller than me, but um more talented, and they were just, they just wanted it. Like there was no other option for them, you know. And so it was um just a complete um, you know, uh like blow to my ego. I had to like a death to my ego, not just blow, a death of the ego, a death of my identity and who I was and who I thought I was, because that's all I did, you know? And I had no plan B. And so that led me into basically choosing to uh play, you know, hooky from school and and ditch school for like two months without my parents knowing, and go into a really depressed um state and check out in in various ways. And um, and then finally, around that time, when my parents finally found out, I transferred to a small private school. I let go, I completely let go of my dream of basketball, and um I had to focus on, you know, the academic world to go and go to college. And during that time, um a family friend suggested that I try doing yoga or going to a yoga class. Um and I was somewhat resistant. Um at the time I was uh operating from a little bit confused uh form of what I thought would was healthy masculinity, but really wasn't. And oh, you know, yoga's for women, like a guys don't do that kind of a thing. And uh, but I gave it a shot. And in the class, um, it was through the the tradition of bhakti yoga, which uh means the path of devotion and the path of the heart. And so it was a, you know, kind of what we might call more Western style class in the in the sense of that it was very physical, asana um, you know, practicing positions and and poses, but also musical. And there was some chanting of mantras, which are the like these sacred, you know, chants uh from the Hindu tradition, although it's um it's a universal kind of thing. It's not religious in yoga, so to speak. Um and uh and that experience I remember laying on my back in Shivasana or resting, you know, pose and having this transcendent experience with sound and with music when it is used with the intention of healing, not just performance. And um and literally lifting me out of my depressed state. And so after that experience, it was one of these situations where I just knew I had met one of my teachers. And uh, you know, I went up to him and his soon-to-be wife at the time because they were teaching class together, and um I asked them how I could like learn to play flute, actually, was my first um instrument on this particular path, spiritual journey of music. And they led me to this teacher. I took one lesson, and that was kind of the beginning of many, many years to come of many incredible, wild, amazing different experiences with different mentors and teachers and things like this. And and I, and I'm also just want to say, like when I was younger than that, I did take um, you know, some guitar lessons for a couple years, and I'd always been musically inclined, but never really dove deep into it until that happened in my late teens and then into my 20s and 30s.

SPEAKER_01:

Beautiful. And um, you've had the opportunity to like perform at a lot of different recovery centers. You were sharing a little bit about that with me. How did how did this work lead you to that? How did that opportunity arise? And was that something that you struggled with or someone you know, or yeah, what kind of led you into that? And what has been your experience offering sound healing in recovery centers?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, totally. Um, so yeah, recovery centers, as in drug and alcohol addiction specifically. Um, I myself was never an addict or in recovery, so it was really interesting that I was led into that world. But it was actually through our um mutual friend, Dr. Jesse Hansen, um, who I was just getting to know at the time in my life. And uh he needed someone to kind of fill in for him while he was out of town, just taking clients on um some like local hikes, you know, in Malibu Mountains, in uh Santa Monica Mountains in Malibu, California. And so that's how it started. And I got my my foot in the door. Um, I had dealt with um, you know, my my own dad being an alcoholic um from time to time and other situations in my family um around um addiction or suicide and some pretty dark things. So I could relate on that level. And um and then when when Jesse was working at Passages Malibu, which is the first place that I started working at and still none there, almost 15 years later, which is hard to believe, um he was uh conducting what's called sound therapy or a sound bath group, uh, in addition to some mindful movement and uh, you know, yoga-esque um groups as well. So I was kind of like his sidekick, right-hand man, and got to uh be a mentee and learn from him. And then eventually he kind of passed the baton on to me when he left. Um, and so that was yeah, how it all unfolded. And um so I'm I'm doing these different groups, also performing um concerts for the clients from time to time. Like tonight actually happens to be one of those nights where I also um do hip hop and write songs and I'm a world musician. So multifaceted, multi-layered, in addition to the sound baths or sound therapy.

SPEAKER_01:

Super cool. Can you take us through some of the instruments that you use in the sonic womb journey? Can you kind of take them through like what the sonic womb journey actually looks like?

SPEAKER_00:

Totally. Yeah. So sonic womb, all right. Sonic being sound vibration, womb being the womb that we are all uh, you know, gestating in as fetuses until we're born. Um that name came actually from a sweat lodge ceremony. And uh essentially where you're in, they say the womb of Mother Earth. This is based on North American, Native American uh tradition from different tribes like the Dakota or the Sioux tribe of the plains. And you go and it's a purification ritual and ceremony, and something I've been doing for a long time. And so I remember coming out of that experience and being like, wow, it'd be so it feels like we're immersing ourselves in the safest place we know is a little fetus, right? Is in the mother's womb. And we're surrounded, surrounding ourselves with these healing vibrations and sounds. So sonic womb that was birthed and and the the space itself and the different instruments. Um it's meant to be a healing environment where people feel safe enough that they can let go of the armor and the defenses and the walls and the guards that we put up and wear in everyday life because we are protecting ourselves and we don't know, you know, what's lurking around the corner or whatever, uh the dark alley, so to speak. Um in that sonic womb environment, not only do we hear the sounds, but we can physically feel the sounds in our bodies, which is really important to note. It's great to listen to music and hear it in your car or sing along with it. It's another thing to be able to feel the sound waves and really vibrating and resonating within your cells and your body. Um, we'll get into what that can, what that does for a person soon, but uh to finish answering your question, in terms of the different musical instruments. So, as a world musician, I play basically everything that you can't pronounce, don't know, or have never heard of before. So, like, for example, the ingoni, which is an African harp instrument without frets, like a guitar has frets on it, this doesn't, so you're just plucking and stringing away at it. So beautiful, so melodic, uh, very comes from lots of tradition from West Africa. Um, another one called the hand pan, which is a very new instrument, is based on the steel pan drum from the Caribbean, Trinidad, Jamaica, um, you know, and uh essentially, probably some of you know what that is, others don't. It's essentially imagine like a steel pan drum, which is concave, popped out and up, which would be convex, right? And instead of using mallets, you use your fingers and thumbs as as the mallets, and it has this very beautiful, almost like harp-like sound. Sound some people think it's someone playing a string instrument if they've never seen it before, but it actually has the combination of rhythm and melody in one instrument. Um, and then I play something called the Digeridoo, which is from Australia. And like I said, that some of these names, uh, you maybe never heard of them, can't pronounce them, or that's the real name. Um and essentially it's uh one of the most ancient wind instruments in the world. And it has a very deep tone and resonance, as if the earth could sing or speak. That's kind of what it sounds like. Um, and in particular, with that one, I love to play it over people's bodies so they can feel the sound waves and they can feel that deep primordial sound within their body. And um, yeah, and the list goes on. We could we could spend all day talking about these instruments. I've lost track of how many I play many wind instruments. I play some percussion, I play guitar, I sing. I'm also a loop artist, which means I use loop and effect pedals, um, which makes what I do very unique because although there are loop artists, they don't often do sound healing or sound bath type experiences. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And I remember that about the journey, the didgeridoo, when you were playing that and you went over us. It was just such a grounding sensation through the whole body. I love that was one of my favorites. Is the hand, does it kind of look like a UFO? Is that what's what I always think of when I see those instruments? Oh, I love them so much, super cool. And um yeah, you also took us through the primal fire. Can you go a little bit into that as well? So that's something else that you offer, and you're also going to be offering this at um as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Totally, yeah. So um primal fire um essentially is uh well refers to in in um yoga, there's a Sanskrit word called Agni, which essentially is the energy of fire, which can which uh can connect to um you know our sense of willpower, uh create creative energy, uh life force, right? Um and that fire, that Agni, that spark of life, it doesn't just ignite on its own. It's like I always like to s to uh say to people, if you want to get the juice out of a lemon, you gotta squeeze it. It doesn't just juice out on its own, right? So in our very convenient, comfortable culture, we can become very complacent and smug, but there's a cost at that. So primal fire is essentially an experience where people can ignite that Agni, that inner spark of life, through various um embodiment practices, such as qi gong, um, which is similar to tai qi, people probably more familiar with that. Qi gong means to cultivate your qi or your life force. And through it, it so through it it, sorry, I can't speak right now. It is through, there we go. It is through um the breath, mindful movement, harnessing the energy of the earth through the body, through the breath, through the elements, that we build that energy and we mindfully move. Um, breath work, which can look a lot of different ways, the type that I like to bring bring in is a little bit more intense because it really gets your energy flowing, moving. When you take in that amount of oxygen and you're not like physically working out, right? It can really move a lot of energy and um and make us feel more alive and vital. Um primal movement. Uh if you think about primates, right, are some of our ancestors, our monkey friends, um, although that's debatable, questionable nowadays, but we won't go there. Uh, but in in terms of, you know, moving on all fours, right? Not just being upright, bipedal, but being on all four of our limbs like a monkey, and that activates different things in our body where we actually start to connect more with our animal spirit and self. Um and then some dance and dynamic movement. And, you know, when we work with dance, not so much from a choreographed, performance based place, but rather a somatic, intuitively guided, feeling based place, it can be so healing and therapeutic for whoever's moving. So we combine all these different things together to move through different blocks energetically, emotionally, things that we need to let go of. Of things that we've been resisting or coming up against, even being more in touch with it, not necessarily bypassing it or overriding it, but allowing ourselves to feel and then move through that feeling, you know. So it's a very dynamic and fiery experience. And then it, and then primal fire also sometimes, like in this retreat, will then feed into sonic womb, which is kind of the the yin to the yong, right? Of that experience where we're digesting, integrating, unwinding, slowing down, nervous system regulating, right? All of that receiving. So it's a really beautiful balance and combination, right? We need, we don't just need one, we need both.

SPEAKER_01:

It really, the primal fire really helped me get out of my head into my body. Even like even other, uh, I guess more, not that it wasn't structured at all, but m more structured movement. I find um I overthink it. And I found that it really helped me just kind of like drop in and get back into uh, yeah, my body, which I really, really loved. And um, so would you say that this is like these are practices that anybody can do, like sound healing and primal fire? Could anyone do this? Beginners who've never experienced it before?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, anyone can participate. All you need is to be able-bodied. And even if you have, you know, injuries you're working with or certain conditions, there's still ways that you can participate and partake in this. Um, so yeah, it's very accessible to anyone.

unknown:

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01:

And um for all those science nerds out there, do you want to dive a little bit into like the science of the sound healing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I do, I do. And yes, and I have actually I'm gonna pull up some bullet points that I uh wrote to uh just make sure that I cover everything because there is a lot, but we'll try to we'll try to give you a summary of it. Um well the first thing is as we know, we have our autonomic nervous system. And so there's the sympathetic and the parasympathetic, which are fancy ways of saying sympathetic being fight, flight, freeze, and parasympathetic being rest and digest. And essentially, when you put yourself in an environment where you're running around like a chicken with its head cut up, cut off kind of a thing, right? You're you're more fast-paced, your nervous system is overstimulated, you're in that sympathetic response. But when you put yourself in an environment that essentially, with the intention to slow down your nervous system, right, and that can be done through mindful breathing, but also with certain sounds and rhythms that are perhaps slower, steadier. That helps to regulate the nervous system. So you then move into your parasympathetic. Um, you know, lowering the heart rate, reducing blood pressure, things like that can really help. Um, so that would be one piece. Um, another is we want to talk about our brainwaves, right? Um, so beta, alpha, theta, delta. Beta is that alert focus state, alpha, more calm and relaxed theta, meditative and drowsy, right? When you get into that theta, you're it's like only almost between awake and asleep, and then delta is that deep rest. So when we're working with certain sounds, maybe that are a little more gentle, um, steady or calmer, can also help to bring in, especially uh alpha and theta brainwave states. So that's another piece. Um I've got a few more. Um as far as also um think about regulating your stress hormones. So obviously, if you if you're stressed out, your cortisol levels are are going up. But if you're able to slow down, serotonin, dopamine, right, the feel-good kind of experience, uh, emotional regulation, a sense of safety in the body, all those things can be supported with your mood. And by the way, feel free to interrupt me at any point in time. I'm just kind of going through these bullet points. Um and then in terms of getting a little bit nittier and grittier into our nervous system, there's the vagus nerve, which is one of the key nerves in calming the entire body. And so when we start to again mindfully breathe, work with these different calming sounds, that turns on the vagus nerve, and then that can help with, again, emotional regulation, um, even heart rate variability, uh, physical digestion, as well as even emotional digestion too. I'm almost there. Um also promotes uh muscle relaxation and body awareness. So we're not necessarily as aware that we hold physical tension in the body that can also be stored uh emotionally, energetically through traumas or things that we've been through in our life. There's actually a really beautiful example from Peter Levine, um, who's a uh well kind of one of the pioneers in somatic therapy. And and and and um he basically, you know, talks about how when a wild animal, think of a um predator and prey, when a when a lion, you know, has it, is trying to get that gazelle, but the gazelle escapes, the first thing that the gazelle does is it it just shakes like vigorously, just does that. And you you can literally watch this on like Nat Geographic, right? It's National Geographic, and you'll see the gazelle shake and then it literally just like go back to like walking as if nothing happened or drinking some water until the next predator or something comes. But as humans, for some reason, right, especially as adults, maybe children were a little bit more intelligent in that way, but we've been so uh we've unlearned and been so conditioned out of um our body's natural intelligence that we end up doing the fight, flight, freeze response. And then we we trap and we store that trauma, not just in the mind, our memory, but in our bodies, right? As I like to say, our issues are in our tissues as well. And Jesse probably, I think, said that too. Um so so it's it's really incredible back to the whole point of, you know, relaxing, body awareness, really being present in the body through through the sound. And when we feel safe enough, we can actually start to heal and to let go. And in addition to that, if you want to heal it, I'm sorry I didn't make this up, but you gotta feel it. You know what I mean? Like you can't just think your way out of things. Like you, it's it's it's part of that, and there's a balance in that. Um so I got one, I got one last thing, and then we're we're good. Um and then I will say too, like any form of mindfulness-based experience, sound healing works with that component. So when you think of meditation, it's not just clearing your mind, it's actually giving your mind something to do, but it's a simple task, like follow the breath, count cheap, um, focus on a candle flickering or something, you know, the flame. So when you give your attention, right, something to do, it takes the focus off of being consumed or overly consumed or ridden by, you know, your anxieties or different things that maybe people deal with, while at the same time being present to what is within. So that's a lot. That's a mouthful.

SPEAKER_01:

Very well said. I'm sure all the science nerds out there appreciate that. Um yeah, I always share about the um, like what Peter Levine shared about how animals shake in the wild, right? Finishing that energy discharge cycle. Uh, because many people always ask, well, how do we actually like move that trauma or that stress through our body? And it can look like that, right? Um obviously the goal isn't to overfixate on like releasing trauma, but when we create the right environment and when we're in connection and in community and our body feels safe enough, you know, often our body will start to feel safe enough to um discharge or move some of that energy through it. Have you ever experienced um or have you ever witnessed, I should say, uh, people like moving, shaking, moving that energy through their body during your sound healing sessions, just all of a sudden feeling um that natural, innate call to do that?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, many times. Many times. And everything from what you might call involuntary twitches, um, where, you know, like the hand will just like shake like this where people can't see this or listening, you know, just flicking my hand or my fingers, um, or like twitching my shoulder, or things like that, which oftentimes is the nervous system just kind of unwinding, um, stress or whatever's been built up, or trauma even, um, to people going into full cathartic shaking, um, you know, like ragdoll almost like experience. Now that's not as common, but it has happened before. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I've had experiences, um, yeah, doing deep somatic work. Definitely uh, yeah, it's pretty powerful stuff. And um, I love that you shared too, that you got inspired to call it sonic womb um through attending sweat lodge ceremonies. Sweat lodge ceremonies have been such a huge part of my own healing journey. And um, so that's why I really, I really resonated and loved uh the name as well, just feeling so safe in that womb space. I definitely felt so, so safe um during your journey and just in your presence. And that's such an important piece too, because you know, we can um, you know, the container, like you know, is just that such an important piece. And yeah, there's all the different um like tools that we can use, and there's so much that goes into it. But the practitioner holding space, I I have to just acknowledge you for just your energy. You could tell you've done a lot of qigong because you are just yeah, your energy and your essence. You felt really safe to be around. You just have a really um incredible energy. And so I felt that right away when I met you. That's why I was like super excited and hopeful to have you join me um for a couple days to help me with this uh retreat and to bring your gifts uh because you really do have an incredible, just safe presence, safe masculine presence. And I want to acknowledge you for that.

SPEAKER_02:

And yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And when we met in, yeah, we met in Costa Rica. So I experienced your whole Sonic Boom journey. So that was so, so incredible and the primal fire. And then I saw pictures on Instagram of you in Sedona. So I'm like, I wonder if he lives there or if he like travels there. So I'm like, I gotta ask him because that would be so cool if he could join me because I knew that I wanted to host a retreat in Sedona. This will be my first retreat I'm hosting in Sedona. Uh, it was so I went to Sedona for the first time in it was 2023. I keep thinking it was three years ago, but it was only a couple years ago. But it had been on my bucket list for so long. I I live in Canada, but I had been following so many influencers that lived in Sedona. And they all just talked about like just the energy of Sedona. It's like a whole, it's own bubble, like when you're there. And then when you actually experience it, it really truly is. Like it, it's huh, it's an energy vortex, right? So can you share a little bit about your experiences in Sedona? Did you live there or you just traveled there pretty often?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I've done many tours through Sedona. Um, and I have a lot of friends and people there. Yeah. But I don't actually live there, no.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. And um yeah, can you share a little bit about Sedona? You know it well. So yeah, share a little bit about your experiences there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, wow. It's um it's a very powerful place. And, you know, I think speaking both to um people who may kind of be a little more spiritually skeptic and need a little bit more data or information or science. So Sedona, you immediately you see these um giant red rocks and these beautiful ancient formations. The the land itself is dated at about 300 million years old. Um, and just to give you some idea, like Grand Canyon, I think is supposed to be like 2 billion. So, you know, it's not that old, but compared to like where I live in Topanga Canyon or Malibu in in California, it's like dated about 12 million. So 300 million is pretty old. And so there's that, and the red is from the natural iron um that is in the um, you know, in the land and in the rock. Um, and although this might be a little debatable, and that's okay, um people believe that because of that, there's um you are in your, we are all electromagnetic beings, and the magnetism from the earth and all of that gets impacted and affected there. Um, in my experience, that is true. And I do feel um, I do feel the the just like, yeah, this very kind of powerful spiritual energy when I'm there. Um and it is something that I can, you know, talk to you all day about it, but you gotta really just go and experience it for yourself. And I've been to a lot of places in the world, all over the world, and um, it's still to this day one of the most powerful uh places in terms of the land and the energy that I've ever experienced. Um and I'll also say in terms of that, yeah, that word vortex, right? It's like uh energy vortex. What do people mean by that? Well, speaking similarly to what I just said, I mean, the um, you know, the the native tribes uh that live in that surrounding area, many of which are from the Dine uh Navajo um Hopi traditions, Pueblo Indians, um, they actually never intended anyone to live in Sedona itself because for them it's a sacred land and it was meant for ritual and ceremony. Um, and that's it, not to say you can't live there anything because people do, but it has they themselves, they knew and they still do know that it has a very special magical energy. Um, and not only that, it's high desert and it has um running water through it year-round, through the creeks, you know, and the canyons. And it's just it's incredible. So come join us.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, there's only a few spots um available still. So, and all that information will be in the show notes if you want to check out uh the Sedona retreat. What's your favorite place to hike there?

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I have a few. Um I mean, there's a spot uh that is a little bit more known to people um that leads up to Cathedral Rock um through uh Red Rock Crossing um and Buddha Beach. And um, and then there's another uh canyon called Boyton Canyon, which is very magical. And uh and lastly, I'm actually like blanking on the name right now, but there's so many cool spots. Um there's this particular uh cave that you can hike to. It's a little off-the-beaten path, and you kind of have to come on this retreat to go to it. But um, it's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I'm I love it there. Um yeah, I I would love to share some of uh your songs so they can check out your music. I know that you have some on Spotify. Name a couple songs, and I'll make sure that I include them in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm. Um so yeah, I there's like a few different songs, albums that I would recommend. Um, to give people the closest experience to Sonic Womb, I would suggest listening um to the album Um Sonic Womb. And you can find that on Spotify. I also have a band camp um site uh which supports the artist more directly, um, which I would recommend if you're interested in buying the album to go there. Um and then also, yeah, through Spotify and uh Apple Music and all the platforms. Um there's uh uh uh EP called Wildfire, the Wildfire EP, which is more of like world music, dance. And then recently um I released a hip-hop song called Breaking Through the Static, which you can find as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, cool. I'll share all of that in the show notes for everyone to check out. Well, thank you so much for joining me. And I'm so excited um for this retreat coming up in yeah, just a few months, four months away. So yeah, if you're thinking of joining us, definitely uh book a call because those spots are gonna go fast. Well, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much. I appreciate you, Alyssa. Thanks for having me on. Thank you, everybody, for listening.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm really grateful you took the time to be here with us today. I'll make sure all of Gabriel's work is linked in the show notes, including his music and offerings, so you can continue exploring if you feel called. And as I mentioned at the beginning, Gabriel will be joining my retreat in April in Sedona. It's a really intentional, intimate container. And Gabriel will be bringing his sound journeys and masculine presence to support the space. So if this episode stirred something in you and you're feeling curious, you're welcome to book a call to explore whether it's the right fit. So thank you for being here, for listening, and for walking this path of remembrance and healing in your own way. Until next time, love you all.