Verse Talks

Discussing the latest news in digital art. With Leyla Fakhr, Artie Handz,

Ivan Zhyzhkevych, and Jamie Gourlay.

August 09, 2025 • Episode 49

00:50 - Welcome Roger Dickerman

02:48 - The importance of a physical space

06:02 - Roger's journey into digital art

07:45 - A deliberate imbalance

11:02 - Controlling the bookends

14:15 - The birth of Artifex and 24 Hours of Art

20:25 - Sustainability and longevity

22:35 - Putting the work in and riding out the bear

24:45 - A process of iteration and evolution

28:35 - "One foot in the market, one foot firmly in the love of the art"

30:05 - The objectivity of price action

35:31 - How to define excellence and quality in art

39:25 - The impact of exposure to work

42:00 - Feeling vs technical precision

46:07 - A new energy in the space

48:30 - Testing convictions and responding to crisis

52:18 - Community, Sam Spratt and the power of participation

58:58 - Acting with focus and intention

01:01:45 - Ingredients for success

01:05:30 - Assessing the market and thinking about trajectory

01:10:30 - Verse roundtable

01:11:05 - The Art Blocks 500

01:16:15 - Eternalising a time period and creating canon

01:23:10 - Institutional interest and supporting collectors

01:24:45 - Takashi Murakami's 108 Flowers Revised

01:37:28 - Traditional artists' impact on the perception of space

01:43:02 - Speculation and gambling

01:47:15 - Taking personal responsibility for purchases and decisions

01:51:07 - Murakami's tweet and lack of awareness

01:52:50 - The complexity of collecting work on the blockchain

01:57:45 - Collecting to be part of a community vs collecting with an awareness of price potential

02:03:49 - Dalos Dov's Do Machines Dream of Human Bodies

02:06:30 - Valent's Athanasia

02:11:30 - The importance of authentic community engagement

02:21:46 - Verse rundown