
Verse Talks
Discussing the latest news in digital art. With Leyla Fakhr, Artie Handz,
Ivan Zhyzhkevych, and Jamie Gourlay.
Episodes
36 episodes
A conversation with Kenny Schachter, Sketchbook B, Zora's content coins and Rodeo's USD pivot
Kenny Schachter joins Jamie, Ivan and Leyla to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, content coins and Rodeo's pivot to USD01:00 - Welcome Kenny Schachter03:20 - Buil...
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2:01:50

Jack Butcher: this episode may or may not be notable
This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word.00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher <...
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Episode 35
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1:39:33

Toxic positivity within the space, are panel discussions boring? Leyla's wallet boycott, Jack Kaido and SuperRare
01:20 - Recap on William Mapan's SOLOS exhibition in London05:00 - Mapan's holistic artistic approach 07:40 - Are discussion panels boring14:20 - Embracing browser discrepancies 22:00 - The artist's i...
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Episode 34
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1:25:19

The Deviates secret revealed (SPOILERS), Chat GPT's Ghibli moment and life with personalised slop machines
00:58 - The Deviates aftermath 02:15 - Unpacking the process 03:45 - The secret 06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration 10:50 - Battling platform censorship 13:50 - The reveal&...
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Episode 33
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58:24

Opening the sketchbook: A conversation with William Mapan
01:22 - A complex practice 05:30 - Reflecting on Sketchbook A 09:50 - Parenthood on creativity 12:15 - Slowing down and escaping a framework 16:00 - Building bridges and the importance o...
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Episode 32
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1:04:30

Blue chip art in a red chip world, Jeff Magid and traditional perspectives, converging towards consensus
01:30 - Jeff Magid 08:50 - Discovering another world 16:25 - Becoming a collector 19:15 - Risks and rewards 24:35 - Breaking convention 28:40 - The future of the art world and digital ...
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Episode 31
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2:02:17

Hot deals or falling knives, the pullback and its cultural impact, thinking about historical context
01:03 - Hunting for deals 02:47 - A market slump's effect on cultural enthusiasm 06:40 - Reassessing pricing and expanding the collector base 10:10 - Buying the top and catching falling knives 14:...
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Episode 30
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55:50

The Giraffe, pretension vs fun, building in the space and the team's 2 ETH picks
03:00 - The Giraffe, debate, drama and narrative 07:37 - Understanding and the value of participation 11:19 - Pretension vs fun16:15 - Freedom of expression and new value systems 22:43 - The Funny Guys...
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Episode 29
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1:26:33

A conversation with Alejandro Cartagena, competition and collaboration, curating AI Agents and the power of machine artists
01:40 - Embracing Web3's rollercoaster 03:20 - Navigating the intensity and finding a balance 07:57 - Living parallel lives 10:20 - Understanding new value systems and cultural shifts 14:14 ...
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Episode 28
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1:39:52

Unpacking Geometric Fluidity, concept vs aesthetics, SuperRare's Discord closure
01:45 - Unpacking Geometric Fluidity 04:28 - First steps and markers06:52 - Community, creation and curation 09:58 - Proof of participation 12:00 - Tensions and criticism 16:25 - Building c...
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Episode 27
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1:22:41

Botto post-performance, the Christie's letter, art vs slop
01:02 - Big sales and moving beyond the bubble 02:27 - Considered acquisitions 04:15 - Botto evolution and the afterlife of the work 07:09 - Thoughts on the performance and the final 22 13:41 - Co...
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Episode 26
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44:52

Is marketing the new curating, navigating the algorithm, chain dynamics
00:40 - The market's impact 03:15 - Chain choices and complexities 12:00 - Early constraints and historic value 15:20 - Is marketing the new curating? 17:15 - Defining curation 19:16 -...
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Episode 25
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55:30

Simon Hudson on the future of Botto and the power of the DAO
02:20 - p5 and the evolution of Botto 10:22 - The future of governance and Botto's agency 15:00 - Navigating the new agentic landscape 19:25 - Botto's economy 23:50 - Responsibility, conviction an...
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Episode 24
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1:15:11

Mario Klingemann on the evolution of Botto
02:40 - Building and hacking systems 09:35 - The birth of Botto 14:10 - The importance of the DAO 18:30 - The evolution of Botto in the face of new AI development 20:40 - Botto's persona and longe...
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Episode 23
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1:08:34

AI and the art market, emerging artists, Kim Asendorf's PXL
01:25 - Crazy season 11:25 - Kim Asendof's PXL and an upward market 21:47 - Thinking about emerging artists 26:25 - Striking a balance 31:26 - Tabor Robak's Tabcorp Labs 36:2...
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Episode 22
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1:26:22

Breaking new ground with Botto, Ivan heads up Artist Rooms, the Rodeo continues
00:37 - Ivan heads up Artist Rooms 01:50 - The excitement of a more open schedule 03:04 - Curation and focus for Artist Rooms 07:19 - Flexibility, freedom and consistency 11:13 - Thinking about what to show <...
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Episode 21
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54:51

Rodeo takes off, defining importance and "the" list
01:38 - Breaking down the list 03:40 - Context matters 07:06 - Liquidity and rarity 10:37 - How to define importance 16:10 - The problem with 'the' list 21:08 - Trickle-down economics and potential positi...
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Episode 20
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1:01:23

Predictions, collecting and curating in 2025
06:49 - Trends and predictions for 2025 07:20 - AI agents and their continued impact 18:51 - The decline of metas 26:24 - Expanding the definition of art 28:56 - An increased tokenisation o...
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Episode 19
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1:21:55

Team picks and highlights of 2024
01:38 - Highlights and Lowlights 22:23 - Collector of the year 30:44 - Influencer of the year 40:25 - Blockchain of the year 46:10 - Controversy of the year 59:15 - Most though provoking piece of the year...
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Episode 18
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1:31:32

Looking back on 2024, systems art vs object fetishism, platform tokens
01:23 - Signs for the year ahead 04:52 - Looking back on 2024 10:11 - Buying, selling and thinking about a collection from a market perspective 13:21 - Reflecting on the last year at Verse
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Episode 17
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51:18

Inside TABCORP LABS: a conversation with Tabor Robak
01:14 - An overview of Tabor's career to date 04:19 - The common threads 07:25 - Physical vs digital 12:39 - Scepticism from the traditional space 15:41 - Working at a web3 pace ...
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Episode 16
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1:06:40

Art Basel & shl0ms recap, 'drops' vs ongoing releases, do curators need to be collectors
00:38 - Art Basel Recap 04:12 - Online vs irl connections 07:40 - Reflections on Security 19:59 - Release mechanics and artist growth 32:15 - The value of network effects 38:48 - Do curators n...
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Episode 15
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1:04:30

Release Dynamics, PFPs and community, discipline to collecting, Shl0ms is God
00:48 - Are we back? 04:25 - Collector confidence 11:14 - New entrants to the space 13:17 - RTFKT closure 17:20 - PFPs, identity and community 29:33 - Meme coins and risk&nb...
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Episode 14
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1:10:35

Reflecting on the Banana, memes and virality, gearing up for Miami, the final act of Shl0ms' Security
01:08 - Jay's experience as an artist 10:00 - "Anyone can art?" 16:59 - Reflecting on the banana and its impact 21:12 - Memes and virality 27:11 - Brain Rot and the speed of culture 36:31 - Traditional co...
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Episode 13
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1:10:01
