Pittman and Friends Podcast
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Pittman and Friends Podcast
Mike Kelly on Baltimore Metropolitan Council
What if the most impactful work shaping your daily life never makes the news? We sit down with Mike Kelly, executive director of the Baltimore Metropolitan Council (BMC), to reveal how a small regional team coordinates transportation, housing, workforce, and climate resilience across Central Maryland—and why that matters for every commute, job search, and neighborhood.
Mike breaks down the inner workings of the federally designated Metropolitan Planning Organization and how it helps local governments program their share of federal transportation dollars. We trace the ripple effects from bike infrastructure to bus service, highways, and freight, then zoom out to the council’s broader portfolio: fair housing plans and regional vouchers, a 30-year building permits database used to track development, and a collaborative purchasing program that has saved jurisdictions more than $340 million on electricity while opening doors to renewable energy. We also get into climate resilience, air quality, and reservoir health—areas where regional coordination turns siloed efforts into measurable progress.
The conversation shifts to Chesapeake Connect, the council’s immersive learning trip that brings together county executives, agency heads, CEOs, foundations, and community leaders to study another city’s wins and missteps. From Nashville’s growth pains to Philadelphia’s neighborhood rebuilding, Mike shares candid lessons that help our region avoid familiar pitfalls. We also spotlight the Chesapeake Leadership Academy, a new cohort for rising local government professionals who learn directly from CAOs, police chiefs, planners, and communicators about leading through complexity.
Threading it all together is BMC’s quiet superpower: nonpartisan convening. In a region where large counties often have the scale to go it alone, the council creates the space to align on issues that cross borders—public transportation, affordable housing, workforce pipelines, clean energy, and climate resilience. It’s practical, data-driven, and built on relationships that continue long after the bus rides end.
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Welcome everybody. I am here with another friend named Mike Kelly, the executive director of the Baltimore Metropolitan Council. Welcome. Thank you very much. It's great to be here. All right. So, Baltimore Metropolitan Council, most people don't know what it is. What is the Baltimore Metropolitan Council?
Mike Kelly:So the Baltimore Metropolitan Council, or BMC, is the regional council of governments serving Central Maryland. And essentially it's the place where Baltimore City and the surrounding jurisdictions can come together to cooperate on a range of issues. The biggest thing that we do is transportation. We are the home of our region's Metropolitan Planning Organization, the MPO. Trevor Burrus That's a that's a thing that a lot of jurisdictions have, right? So there are over 300 MPOs all over the country, and every urbanized area in the country has one. And the role of the MPO is to help the local jurisdictions program their share of federal transportation dollars. So the core of what we do is planning. Trevor Burrus, Jr. So it's a federally designated thing. It's a federally designated thing, too. That works with the local governments in the state to make sure that local governments have input into how their federal dollars are spent. And it's everything from bike paths to transit to highways to freight movement, any sort of project that might get transportation dollars. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:I didn't know that that was the core of what the BMC is, and I am the chair of the board right now, and I should know that, shouldn't I? Then that's my fault for not educating you earlier. We didn't do the briefing at the beginning. Okay. So and I love the BMC because it is regional and it brings together the board of is the the leaders of all of the counties in the region. So we're talking about we go Carroll and Queen Anne's are the the smallest ones. We've got Harford, we've got Baltimore County, we've got Howard County, we've got Annarundal and Baltimore City. Am I missing any? That's right. And then Annapolis actually sits on the MPO board as well. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Gavin's been to some meetings. He has. He has. Not all of them, though, Gavin, if you're listening. But Yeah, and and and um he won't be there anymore after this election, but we'll miss him. So you talked about planning in tran in terms of transportation planning. So that would be transit and roads, correct? That's right.
Mike Kelly:Yeah, all sorts of transportation planning. And then we also get into areas that it's really interesting, our our counterparts across the country, sort of outside of the transportation work, all pick different areas to focus on. And it's really what the local governments want to work on themselves. And for us, we have a big emergency preparedness group. Right. We work in affordable housing, managing a pool of housing vouchers to try and develop affordable housing outside of the urban core. And some planning on affordable housing, correct? Yep. We try and uh we publish a plan every four years. We just published another one called the Analysis of Impediments to Fair Housing Choice. Everything we do does not sound exciting, but it really is interesting stuff when you dig into it. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:But it is the core basic most important issues that local governments deal with. But keep keep going.
Mike Kelly:We get into procurement. We actually help all of our jurisdictions, the school systems, and the community colleges in the region buy a share of their electricity. And since 2007, that program alone has saved the region, I believe it's over $340 million off of BG ⁇ E's standard offer rate right now. Trevor Burrus You save us money, and then there's a chunk of it that's that's renewable, right? Yep. It allows the jurisdictions to dedicate some of that money to renewables and hopefully at some point we'll actually be able to finance a big renewable project just for the region.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:And you've done some workforce housing work?
Mike Kelly:We do workforce development planning. We do um Did I say workforce housing?
County Executive Steuart Pittman:I meant workforce. I know where your heart is, right?
Mike Kelly:We do labor market analysis. We try and we publish a report every four years or so that first looks at the barriers that workers face, we we pull job seekers around the region to try and figure out what they see as the issues between them and the jobs they want. And then we actually analyze the labor market to try and identify the right kind of jobs, high-paying jobs for people with less than a bachelor's degree, because that's really the sweet spot if you want to grow the economy. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:And I should note that when you do that kind of work, you bring together folks from all the agencies, right? So it's below the level of the leaders, the mayors and the county executives, but so our workforce development folks, our housing folks, our transportation folks all participate. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
Mike Kelly:Yeah, the neat thing about us is that we um, with all due respect to my board members, we only see the board members a few times a year. We really focus a lot of our work with agency heads across the region. And if we're doing our job right, we're really a place for them to come together. We get out of the way, and we put the uh the agency heads in the room and figure out what they can cooperate on.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Aaron Ross Powell So have we missed any areas? I was sitting next to actually we were just we were in Savannah on a trip, and we'll get into that. We'll we'll get into Chesapeake Connect and what that that's all about. But I didn't realize the degree of the amount of energy work that you were doing in terms of renewable energy planning. I sat next to a staff person who works on that. Yep.
Mike Kelly:We're publishing a big climate resilience plan right now that was federally funded. Uh we're publishing that for the entire region. And that staff also works on air quality issues and reservoir water quality issues as well.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:All right.
Mike Kelly:So I think we've touched on a lot of things. Are we missing it?
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yeah, are we missing any categories?
Mike Kelly:We've hit housing, we've hit emergency, we've hit purchasing. We do a lot of data work. We actually manage a database of all the building permits in the region. Every week, the counties upload new building permits to us, and we've been managing that database for over 30 years to help us project and track uh development patterns all over the region. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Right, right. And then real estate folks look at that too, or you share that, right?
Mike Kelly:Well, it's publicly available on the website, yeah. And it's and it's used all over the place to help everybody make the right investments in property around the region.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yeah. And it's interesting to have at the table the mayor and a lot of folks from the city of Baltimore, and it's the fo it's the jurisdictions surrounding it. And there's uh I've I did a podcast with Brendan Scott, the mayor, and I've talked about Baltimore City a fair amount. I always say the suburbs stole the city's tax base, and now we have to figure out what to do about that. Do you feel like there's any conflict that you have to deal with or different ways of viewing the world between the core city and the jurisdictions around it?
Mike Kelly:I mean, I wouldn't call it a conflict, but every jurisdiction has their perspective, and some of those perspectives, you know, tend to run along partisan lines. But our job is not to focus on the differences, but to figure out what we can do to bring people together. And there really is a lot of common ground. It's it's interesting, a lot of our peers around the country, uh Maryland is, you know, we tra I know we're going to talk about the travel, but we visit cities all over the country every year. And our region is really unique that we have such large county government. There's, I think, only 19 municipalities in our whole metro area, as opposed to St. Louis, where we went last year, which has over 350. Yeah. And so our counties, each of our county executives is really a big city mayor. And in a lot of places, the regional agency adds capacity where smaller jurisdictions don't have the staff to do things. In our case, it's the opposite. Our jurisdictions don't need to come together on that much because they're so large. So it's good when we do. Trevor Burrus, Jr. The tricky part for us is to try and define the the areas where it makes sense. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yeah, where you're needed. And you do this with a small staff of how many? Trevor Burrus, Jr.: We have about 35 staffers at any given time, and about 25 of them are working on the transportation planning.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Really?
Mike Kelly:Okay. Okay.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Well, I think I think it's exciting stuff. I don't think it's nerdy and boring. But the most exciting, maybe the most fun part is these trips. And I think you stopped me on the street the other day because I was wearing a fleece that said Chesapeake Connect as I was walking down with my wife down the streets of Annapolis. You give out great stuff. I have a bag that says Chesapeake Connect. We've gone on a trip every year except I think 2020, it's COVID year.
Mike Kelly:Trevor Burrus, Jr. We missed one year for the pandemic when we did our own podcast that I'm sure people across the country listened to. It was the only thing to do in 2020.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:But let me see if I can remember the trips that I've been on. Detroit, St. Louis, Minneapolis, St. Paul, Philadelphia. Oh, he's cheating. He's he's trying to mouth the I don't I don't read lips, man. Nashville, Nashville. Yeah, that was what that was what you were saying. That was the first one that I did. We just got back from Savannah. Have I missed any?
Mike Kelly:So before Nashville, before you were elected, we also went to Cleveland, Ohio, and New Orleans, Louisiana.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Oh yeah. I think New Orleans might have been just as I was it before or after the election?
Mike Kelly:It was about two weeks after you were elected and two weeks before you were sworn in.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Aaron Ross Powell Okay, okay. So so right. Steve Shu chose not to go, and I chose not to go, I think. I should have gone, New Orleans.
Mike Kelly:I had a whole bunch of new board members who wished they had had a chance to go to New Orleans. Aaron Powell Yeah, yeah.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Maybe I couldn't because I hadn't taken office yet, but anyway. I have found these trips to be fascinating. You invite not just board members, but there were 70 this time, was it?
Mike Kelly:There were almost 80 people on this trip.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Almost 80 on this last trip.
Mike Kelly:Okay. And who are they? So the we we invite our board, so all ten of our board members came, which was great. Yeah. And each board member is invited to bring some senior staff along who they think are going to get something out of it. But then after that, we really reach out to partners we've worked with over the years. We have foundations come, folks from the Annie Casey Foundation, the Weinberg Foundation join us. We have CEOs. We had a gentleman who owns a construction company, the managing partner of a major law firm, a hospital CEO came this year. And then with the help of some of the foundations we work with, we're able to offer scholarships to smaller community-based nonprofits so that we can really bring a wide swath of leaders in the region. In higher ed, we always have a number of higher ed representatives and some folks from the governor's staff.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:It's really uh And then some staffers within the within the governments as well. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And it's uh So I have my chief of staff and my chief administrative officer, and I think in the past we've had head of economic development, she did not join us this year. We had the Resilience Authority of Annapolis and Anne Arundel. Anyone else I uh I think that's it from Anne Arundel?
Mike Kelly:I think those are the Anna Arundel folks. Yeah. We had uh we had a representative from Arundel Hospital come. You know, we try and make sure that the business and not profit representation comes from all of our jurisdictions as well. Yep. Yeah. And it's really a chance, I see it as a chance for folks who should know each other to get to know each other while learning a lot about the places that we're visiting.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yeah. And when we do these trips, what I find fascinating is that you do a lot of research or your team, you and your team do a lot of research trying to figure out what makes that jurisdiction tick and what the challenges are and which which of those are are similar to ours or different with different solutions. And and you go on a pre-trip, right, and you interview people. What is the sort of formula and what are you trying to achieve?
Mike Kelly:So the trip, the the planning really starts in January. We we take the trip in October and we slow down for a couple months, and then in January we work with the board to identify the place we want to visit. In February, we start cold calling people in that host city. I always get somebody to introduce me to the mayor's chief of staff or somebody who can open doors. And we'll have about 30 phone calls with different departments and different agencies and places we might talk to. So by the time we go visit it, uh usually in April, I will bring one or two of my staff and I'll bring a staff member from my chair's jurisdiction to go down and we will.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Your CAO joined us this year. I first thought I was going to get to go, and then nobody invited me. That is a question for your staff. That's okay.
Mike Kelly:That's okay. One trip was good. But we go down there and over the course of a three-day scouting trip, we'll meet with twice as many groups as we can actually fit into the trip. And as you know, the trips themselves, we start at breakfast and we finish at dinner with speakers. It's really go-go-go all day, and we try and cram in as much as we can about our host city. And the nice thing is these places are always thrilled to have us. I've never had a problem getting top-notch speakers and getting top-notch subject matter. Because everybody wants to be a good host. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yeah, yeah.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:And and a little bit of bragging about what they do. Yeah, yeah. And then they get to think about the big picture. You know, what I found fascinating is that you make sure that we hear from the elected leaders, and that's sometimes from the city and a county, maybe, or uh multiple cities, Minneapolis, St. Paul, I think we talked to both the mayors, and you make sure that we hear from business leaders, the chamber, that um whatever organizations exist, and some of the nonprofits and even the community-based nonprofits, I think we've been to a a church or some faith organization in almost all of them. I mean, it's just you go after whatever makes that city tick or the challenges that they and we hear really different perspectives. I mean, I remember the first one I went on was Nashville, and Nashville was growing. I I looked out my hotel window and I counted all the cranes in the sky, and there was like 10 or 12 cranes that you could see from one window, everything being built. And then you look down on the street and the traffic is not moving at all, and people are honking horns. And so you hear about the economic miracle from the business organizations, and then the mayor got up and at near the end and he said, it's been a disaster. He said, we didn't plan for it. And and then you hear from, I remember going to a community-based housing development organization that said, look, folks who've been living here for a long time can't afford to live here anymore and have been pushed out into the suburbs, and they have to drive into work for these jobs that they barely make enough money to be able to, you know, pay for, and the housing is too expensive. It seems like it's the same story everywhere, unfortunately, and the same some of the same problems that we have.
Mike Kelly:Yeah, I mean the you know the the issues of urban challenges are are similar, unfortunately, across the country. You know, we do hear some different solutions, you hear uh different approaches. And honestly, in the case of Nashville, some of our hosts there were very candid about their failure to put up guardrails, their failure to to plan for the popularity they had. And I think people ended up facing political consequences for it. There was a there was a big change election right after we were there, and our program was really a forecast of that. It was um you know, and it's it's really interesting because it's wonderful to hear the things that are going great. I think it's better to hear the things that aren't going great. And on every trip, there's one person who's willing to admit some mistakes. And those are always the best sessions that we can actually learn something from. Yeah.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yeah. Sometimes they're actually pointing fingers at others, not when they're in the room ever. But I remember going to a community development organization in Philadelphia in a neighborhood where I mean it was bombed out, poverty, abandoned houses everywhere. The people that were on the streets were mostly, you know, tripping on something. But extraordinary leaders that were fighting the good fight, and some of them pretty aggressively, but seeing how that all works is is really and then doing it alongside I mean, what, the Senate President and the mayor and the county executives and the people who are really um have to think about these things and solve them every day. So the conversations that go on in between on the bus and uh sometimes at a bar or sometimes uh at meals have been, to me, at least as valuable as as hearing from the locals.
Mike Kelly:Oh, yeah. I mean, it's it uh the trip really is it is certainly half of it is learning from our host city. But the other half are the relationships that are formed. And every year, about six months after the trip, I'll start hearing a trickle of stories about people who met on the trip and projects they've started together and friendships that have formed. It's really been great, especially for a lot of the community-based partners who don't always have access to the CEOs and don't always have the direct access to elected officials to really tell their stories about what they're trying to do in our own region. And a lot of them have really benefited from just the time spent with people who are trying to do good and a chance to directly tell their stories. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:So this kind of seems like a dream job for a policy nerd. Tell us about how you ended up in the job and what you did before. So I never took a planning class.
Mike Kelly:So I um uh I I graduated from Loyola College in 2000 and out of school, I had done a lot of work at Loyola with community groups in the city, and I was actually working at a homeless shelter. I was a a case manager at a shelter called the Frederick Ozenam House in Fells Point, and which was wonderful and did not pay a lot of money. Right. And at that time I I got a little bit of a bug for politics, and I started running some political campaigns in Baltimore City, largely to have a side job, and and really, really liked that. I ended up going to law school after a few years. Trevor Burrus, Jr. So you are a political staffer as a not running yourself, but as a I was a campaign manager. I never worked, never really worked for someone once they got office. Uh huh. I learned quickly the problem with campaign work is that it has a definite end date.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yep.
Mike Kelly:And I like things that are a little more steady. So I I went to law school, I practiced law for a couple years, and was really looking at the Trevor Burrus. So you probably like did the getting married and having kids thing then there?
County Executive Steuart Pittman:That does tend to make you look for some security.
Mike Kelly:And I was looking for a way to blend you know, my interest in government and my interest in law and uh a job at the Metropolitan Council as sort of the external affairs person opened up. And I thought like that. That was in 2008, and I was planning on staying for a year until I was sure I'd find something better. Something better. Here we are now. So it it's been a great opportunity. And how long have you been the director? Aaron Powell Since 2015. Wow. And and this trip was sort of my first big idea once I took over that role. I had run some big projects for the agency. And once I was executive director, I I looked around and we had hosted some groups like this from around the country. And I realized that Baltimore was the only big region in the country that didn't have a central sort of mission trip every year. And I asked our board chair at the time, who was Alan Kittleman in um Howard County, and County Executive Kittleman gave us a chance to do this, and uh it's been a great program for us ever since.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:I I've noticed that when you plan something, you really have it fully baked when you bring it to the board, which is which is great. You came up with another new program this year that was to convene staffers in local governments and do some, I don't know if it was team building or educational stuff. What was that called?
Mike Kelly:So it's a program called the Chesapeake Leadership Academy that was maybe a quarter-baked when I brought it to you. So thank you for giving me more credit than I deserve. But it was - it was another place where I saw a gap in the region and a place that we could add value. And so what this program is, we invited all of our jurisdictions to give us a list of promising young staffers, and the only suggestion was folks who you could see as a department head at sort of the next stage of their career. And we were targeting sort of early to mid-career people who were interested in local government. And all we did, we pulled together a cohort of about 23 people, and I reached out to all my contacts in the jurisdictions, folks I've worked with for years in and out of government, and we set up a series of trainings to give these young county staff from a range of departments exposure to police chiefs, to planning directors, to economic development directors. We had Howard Libitt, who was the communications chief for Mayor Rawlings Blake during the uprising. Howard came and talked about what it was like running a communications shop during that time. We had uh County Executive Pittman spoke to the group at the end as our elected official. We had one class where we had three female uh chief administrative officers from the jurisdictions talk about their careers. And it's you know it's very hard, including yours. We asked folks to talk about their career path, what it is they do, and to try and offer some gentle advice for younger employees to succeed, and it was a great success. So has anybody poached anybody else's staff off of this from within the region? Not yet, but I'm giving you guys the report next week, and then I expect that.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Okay, so we'll see who the good ones are.
Mike Kelly:But it was great. You know, it was something that we did fairly informally this year. The class that we had were um absolutely guinea pigs and they were troopers through some bumps in the road, but we learned a lot, and I think it's gonna be something that we do every year moving forward.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yeah, no, I found them really engaged, really intelligent, really excited about what they were doing, and all had positive things to say. And it really is important because we want people to think of this public service as a career, and we want to think of local government. And sometimes you do go from one one organization to another because of an opportunity. And we have poached some great people from Howard County, from Baltimore City, from Prince George's County, from all over. So Baltimore County, uh I'm not gonna g go into any details here because my peers won't talk to any m me anymore, but it's really good to bring in new blood, new perspective from another county. So thank you for for engaging everybody in that. What else? Is there anything that we've missed that you think is part of what the BMC offers why it's important?
Mike Kelly:The things that I think are important about us are it is the convening power. We we don't do it a lot for sort of mission-based political reasons, but we can on issues like public transportation pull together the mayor and the county executives on issues that truly are regional in a way that other groups can't. And I think our our board gives us the flexibility to be nimble. Our board has always been interested in innovation and interested in new ideas that our staff has, and has given us plenty of space to succeed or not quite succeed, but always recognizing that we're we're trying to do things to move the region forward. And I really am proud of the way our organization has largely been able to do this in a nonpartisan way. Groups like ours get in trouble when we start engaging in small P politics. And our board has always really understood our role, you know, partly as calling balls and shots and partly as advocating for the region, not just individual jurisdictions. And it's been a great experience working with everybody to try and make things a little better for everyone.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for thank you for what you do and for doing it. And I'll tell you, as a as a county leader, it's been really educational for me to get to know the others, the others that are on the board and and folks in the trip. And if we don't I mean we talk about regionalism all the time, we talk about that even outside of BMC. We do get to a point sometimes where we just can't agree on something. Everybody's got to look out for their own turf. But there's no question that throughout the country there's been this, you know, the older cities get old, their infrastructure is old, it gets really hard to keep up with it, and then people move out to the suburbs and the land of pleasant living and where the problems don't exist that we're in the city. And it really does leave the urban core in a difficult financial financial position. And I wish we could help solve some of those things. I mean, I know that the the governor, who's a big Baltimore person, has is trying to do this and working closely with the mayor, and that's good to see. They've obviously made huge dents in in crime, in violence. And I mean, maybe that's another area that that we all should be focusing on is uh, you know, uh you haven't done any of that on public safety, have you?
Mike Kelly:Or we play a huge role in public safety.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Years ago there was a few programs, but if the board asks, we're certainly happy to do our best. What if we wanted to go to another country instead of for one of these trips? Would you do that?
Mike Kelly:I will go wherever the uh wherever the budget will take you.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Wherever the budget, right, right. Yeah, I know. You meant you you mentioned that you tend to go to the places that have direct flights on Southwest.
Mike Kelly:We we are running this as a government agency, yeah.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, thank you. And hopefully many more years of this. Do I get to go on the trip next year? When is the next next trip going to be?
Mike Kelly:So you'll be on the next year. I will. And everyone who goes on the trip is invited by one of the county executives. So just be nice to your successor, and you might be invited to come for years to come. Trevor Burrus, Jr. I won't yet know who that is, though. Trevor Burrus, Jr. Well, next year you're good. You're still gonna be unless something drastically changes, you'll be in office next time we take a trip.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:I'll be in office and it will be right before the general election. Just be nice to whoever follows you and we'll see what happens. All right. Well, thank you so much. And if anybody wants to learn about BMC, what's the website? www.balto metro.org. Balto Metro. Okay. All right. Well, there's a lot of great stuff on there, and please check them out. And it's been an honor to have you here.
Mike Kelly:Thank you. Great.
County Executive Steuart Pittman:Thanks, County Executive. All right.
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