The Ritual Nurse
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The Ritual Nurse
The Meditation Tapes: Introducing my friend Molly
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Join us as we delve into the profound connections between postpartum experiences and end-of-life care in this enlightening episode. Our guest, Molly, is a postpartum and death doula, a certified Ayurvedic coach, and the host of The Busy Mom’s Guide to Meditation Podcast! She shares her rich insights on navigating the complexities of these pivotal transitions in life. We also explore how doulas offer essential emotional support, particularly in environments where healthcare practitioners may feel overwhelmed yet strive to provide compassionate care.
This discussion is a reminder of the shared experiences between mothers and grieving families, illustrating how both journeys are interwoven with themes of transformation, loss, and resilience. You'll learn about the crucial role that community plays in emotional healing, as well as the importance of holding space for ourselves and others during these challenging times.
Your perspective on care might shift as we reveal the misconceptions that exist within healthcare about doulas. By understanding their unique support role, nurses and caregivers can enhance their practice and advocate for better resources for families in need.
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Welcome to the Ritual Nurse, where healing meets humor, science and a touch of magic. Welcome back to the Ritual Nurse podcast, where we keep it real about healing, resilience and the chaos of nursing nurse podcast where we keep it real about healing, resilience and the chaos of nursing. I'm your host, reva, and today we have a very special guest for an incredible interview episode series. If you have ever felt like you're running on empty, caught between the demands of work, family and life, then you're in for a treat. My guest today is someone who literally holds space for life's most profound transitions. Molly is a postpartum and death doula and Ayurvedic health coach and the host of the busy mom's guide to meditation podcast, now in its third season. She is also a busy mom of three little ones, so she knows all about balancing care for others while trying to stay sane herself. Molly, welcome to the ritual nurse. I am so excited to have you here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for having me so.
Speaker 1:I would love to find out more, like tell us a little bit about you and how you became a doula, I mean with having my own children.
Speaker 2:it all kind of came about organically, with all of my friends having kids about the same time and just being in and around all of the different struggles that come with that.
Speaker 2:So, as we all kind of navigated this together and attending a lot of the different support groups in town and things, that it really opened my eyes to the idea of doula work. At the time I did not know that postpartum doulaing or death doulas were a thing. I had a bit of a difficult birth in the hospital with my first and so becoming a birth doula was really something that scared me. I knew I hadn't put that behind me to be able to do that. And a friend mentioned postpartum doula work and I immediately grasped onto that and decided to just started doing all of the research into what is that and what would that look like and what kind of courses are out there.
Speaker 2:And about the same time my grandmother was in and out of the hospital. She was having a lot of health issues. She was almost 90. And I was back and forth a lot just helping my family go through that transition. As we knew she was getting closer to death. She was put on hospice and just being able.
Speaker 2:I have a very large family. She has seven surviving children and most of them have families, children. So um of myself and my cousins, you know we all they all kind of popped in and out, but I was there with my aunts. I was giving them breaks, you know cause I'm visiting from out of town, my family's not there, and so I was able to do that. I was able to take some of the overnights with her.
Speaker 2:Before you know, things progressed too much and really kind of shared that space with them in a very unique way, and that one of my aunts is also a nurse and she mentioned death work and some of the comments she'd made, and so that brought me to looking into that side of it at the same time as the postpartum stuff, and it all fell together very organically. So I took some courses for postpartum doula and then I rolled straight into death doula courses and everything kind of just did it together and that makes sense because I mean the kind of common theme it sounds like between the experiences are that they are very significant events.
Speaker 1:A lot of nurturing and transformational work is happening in both of those events and the kind of nurturing and support that's provided. I think it's a very special kind. Most nurses, unless they work in a specific field, probably aren't aware of the resources of doulas that are out there. I know as an ER, like ICU nurse, I didn't until I was had read your stuff and I was like Whoa, like I think I've. I've heard of doulas like in birth. You know I did, I did rotations and labor and delivery. But how cool for for other thresholds, for other transformational periods postpartum is is a totally transformational period for the family and the individual as his death and end of life and autonomy and helping a family and that individual, like prepare for those transformations, is so deeply significant. I mean it makes sense that it would organically be kind of the same thing with different objectives.
Speaker 2:I guess. Yeah, I was having a conversation with some fellow fellow death doulas recently and talking about how moving into the postpartum period, having a baby, is a type of death of the self.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I mean, your brain literally rewires itself so the person you were before does not exist anymore, and so finding that they are so closely interconnected and in the postpartum period there's a grieving process just like with a physical death yes, absolutely that. It's something that's just not talked about. And so, yeah, it's this huge, very emotional time and being able to have that understanding and especially with not as much community support for moms as there used to be, oh, absolutely, like you. Just, you feel alone and you're grieving alone, which is a dangerous place to be, which is why the you know pms and postpartum depression and anxiety is so high anymore, and I think in confusion as well.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know, postpartum, I struggled with a not knowing how to be a mom initially, and then not knowing how to be a mom to two initially, because they're both transformations. It's not like you have one kid at least it wasn't for me, I can't speak for everyone and then not knowing how to be a mom to two initially, because they're both transformations. It's not like you have one kid, at least it wasn't for me. I can't speak for everyone, but it's not like you have one child and then you have a second child and somehow you just innately know what you're doing. Sure, maybe some things you panic a little bit less about, or whatever, but I remember just constantly being overwhelmed with the thoughts of I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know how to do this and I don't have anyone that I can ask. And is this my new normal Like? Is this, what is this? What even is this?
Speaker 1:You know, and I've seen families go through that in the ICU, you know, preparing for the death of a loved one, and we don't have the resources or the capability. We try as much as we can to provide space for them and support them and be therapeutic. You know in that space with them, but we're applying too many technical and like didactic things. We're assessing and medical jargon is flying around them and you know we're giving medications and there isn't anything therapeutic about that environment whatsoever, regardless of our intent. And I think what do you think are the biggest misconceptions that you run into about this kind of work, like from either healthcare providers or because a lot of nurses aren't going to know. A lot of nurses don't going to know. A lot of nurses don't even know what it is Right. And I've run into nurses that don't understand the difference between palliative care, hospice care. Yeah, I mean, if they have no exposure to it, they don't even know that it's out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think just knowing the scope of care is where a lot of misconception comes from. Coming into a hospital setting as a doula and I hear this a lot from our birth doulas in a community locally that I'm a part of that's full of birth, postpartum and death doulas. That's full of birth, postpartum and death doulas because we do partner with one of the local hospitals to be able to go in and be really a part of the care team.
Speaker 2:It's fantastic that's amazing, but it's brought a lot of that knowledge and understanding of what doulas are and what do we do, because our scope of care is not anywhere near where a nurse is. We are there to educate, advocate for the birthing person, if they need that, and support and be there as space holders when the nurse is coming in. They have a job to do and that is not our job, you know. So I think a lot of times the misconception is that there's more overlap than there is Okay and and I think that's the biggest thing to to understand is that like there's not like and you know we're, they were there for the birthing person A scope of nursing is not anywhere near our scope, which is really interesting because we both work in that care space.
Speaker 1:Right, I think you fill a need though that we're not able to get to like like we, we can attempt to. But you know, if we had death doulas in the ICU, what, what a transformative experience that would be for the family. Like I can only wish that we had that to offer them, because that aspect of things the space that you're holding, the care you're providing, the education, the nurturing, the communication we can do bits of that while we are completing, you know, like the scope of our practice and our job. But it doesn't that that that gaping hole of need that the family needs to to make that experience not so traumatic for them, is exactly the position that you fill and I wish that.
Speaker 1:I'm super excited that it is more recognized in labor and delivery, like in maternal child side. But I wish that we had that in in other aspects. I wish that you guys could be in postpartum. I wish you guys could be in the ICU, even in the ER, that, like if we had somebody. I get that it's not a longer process, you know it might be a more immediate process, but still the experience that you have in helping families navigate that or approach that understanding is, is something that sometimes we can't, we don't have time. It sounds awful to say that, oh my gosh, well, and we just don't have, we don't have the time to do it the time and and the, the, the people.
Speaker 2:A lot of times, nursing is understaffed and so you are needing to care for so many people in such a short amount of time that it is. You know, every nurse that I've ever come in contact with has such a compassionate heart and you put all of that into your job. But when you have to go from you know one person to the next, to the next, it becomes really hard to feel like you're giving each person the care and the focus and the compassion that you want to give each person. Yes, and I feel like that's almost part of the problem, because you want to be there and you want to do that and the system isn't set up for it.
Speaker 1:That's a huge struggle. There are a lot of nurses that carry guilt and feel like they can't take care of their patients adequately because of the staffing because of the way that you know the healthcare system is set up.
Speaker 1:That's a huge thing and we're not. We are educated, like in nursing theory. We are educated academically in terms of, like the application of nursing theory and what it means to be therapeutic. And we do have psychiatric education and psychology. We're taught these subjects in our degrees but we don't have any hands-on training in that space because there's no room for that in our job description at the bedside. Now, I can't speak for hospice nurses, I can't speak for home health nurses. I can't speak for home health nurses. I've I've only worked in critical care and emergency medicine and a little bit in adolescent psychiatry. So I'm sure that those fields are structured differently and, you know, do do work differently. In that regard, I think one of the things that and I just realized that I wanted to find out both answers but the question that I asked you was not misconceptions about what you do, but I wanted to find out what are the most common misconceptions you run into that people have about death or about, like, the postpartum period, like the transitions themselves?
Speaker 2:like the postpartum period like the transitions themselves.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of it is lack of communication between people.
Speaker 2:We have a lot of views about the postpartum period.
Speaker 2:Yes, you should be in this bubble of joy and love your baby and everything is going to just happen and you're going to figure it out. But the reality is you feel like an island in turbulent seas with no boat. And if you do have a boat, it's a canoe and you have half a paddle and it's really difficult. And opening the conversation can clear up a lot of that, and just getting moms together and moms that have friends or other people in their sphere that are going through the same thing at the same time are the only ones who are talking about it. I was having a conversation recently and one of my friends was like well, why don't, why doesn't anybody tell you that? And I was thinking about it.
Speaker 1:I've said that so many times as a new mother and I think what?
Speaker 2:happens is is that when you're in it, you're in it?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And when you get past that phase you kind of have that mom brain moment of just clouding past it and then you forget you, you're, you make yourself forget because it was not an easy or fun time to be in Correct and then real quick, just in the death side again. Grief is something taboo to talk about. People find it very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Yes, they are. They can't sit in that emotional uncomfortableness. Yes, to even talk about the process or acknowledge it, or and I think new moms are like that too we don't want to say anything cause we don't look stupid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know or ungrateful, or any of that and moms that have already been through it. Unless you're actually talking to a mom going through it, it's like two ships passing in the night, like you have the information but you're not really sure that somebody in your sphere is experiencing it and you just don't. You're you know you're fighting your battles in the next stage of the unknown. These things don't come with a manual, so I got to figure this out and I think yeah, I mean the miscommunication part of it is so massive I wonder if it's like that just here. Or I wonder, I wonder if that's a cultural thing. Like I wonder if it's like that in other cultures.
Speaker 2:I think it depends on the culture, honestly, because I know there are cultures that are more comfortable with death or that have a very supportive cultural understanding of the postpartum time, and so I think that some of it is culturally here. We tend to brush it under the rug, right it's not pretty.
Speaker 1:I don't want to look at it. Yes, that makes sense. Emotions are uncomfortable, right, emotions are vastly uncomfortable. On that note, we're going to give you guys a break. If you are going to head back to the floor, then use this musical interlude to know when to press pause and come right back to it when you can. We wish you the best shift and the easiest orders and the best patience and the kindest residence.
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Speaker 1:Enjoy the music for a moment, and when we come back, we're going to talk with Molly about holding space. This is really applicable to nurses and our experience of some of these really significant transformations for our patients and for ourselves. But enjoy the music for a moment and we will see you after the break. All right, thank you so much. If you are still hanging out with us, if you are coming back to us after your shift or on another break, we hope that it has been just going amazing. So we were talking about, before our break, transitions in the postpartum space and transitions that patients and families have to deal with with death what we've been kind of talking about as a theme in the ritual nurse so far is protecting our own peace, and I'm really interested in the space that you hold, like how are you able to hold space for others in these emotionally intense moments while also protecting your own energy and wellbeing, because we know you're a very busy lady.
Speaker 2:I think the biggest thing within those really high intensity moments is, for me, I like grounding out and maintaining my own sense of self. I think in those moments we empathize with people going through really difficult times. If you are dealing with a postpartum person and you are also a mother, a lot of things can either be triggering or they're just so relatable that it's easy to get caught up in remembering your own experiences while hearing theirs, and so you take that on and it's like your body's reliving it right.
Speaker 1:Yes, the body holds on to those memories and feelings Exactly.
Speaker 2:So I think in that moment, just maintaining your own sense of self, reminding yourself in the moment that you are not going through that it is their experience and you're holding space and witnessing them, is a great way to kind of distance yourself without releasing the compassion.
Speaker 1:That is the most phenomenal description I think I have ever heard of therapeutic boundaries. We throw that word around like a corporate buzzword, but that's the best description that I've ever heard of it, like as you were saying it I don't the stupid look on my face, I, and of course our listeners, can't see it, but I was like, oh my gosh, I can actually visualize what you're saying and like holding that therapeutic boundary is like keeping myself within my lines, like the outline of who I am and I don't know why. Mentally, this picture just came to mind of you know, like an outline of a person on paper but full of watercolor, and you have to keep the boundary and you know your patient has the same boundary and they have watercolor and if you don't, the watercolor starts to mesh together and it's so intrinsically hard to separate. Yes, and I'm like, oh my gosh, as nurses, if we're able to remind ourselves that we're not experiencing what they're experiencing, but we're here to help them with it and our ability to relate can enhance our empathy and we can maybe think of what we needed in that moment or what would have helped us in that moment, but we have to keep ourselves from reliving that moment Exactly and that is so huge. Now I know exactly what I need to tell my nursing students next week.
Speaker 1:That's absolutely amazing. That is the coolest way I think I've ever heard therapeutic boundaries actually explained, because we talk about it all the time and I don't think we I don't think we actually explain it to nurses, but I've never heard somebody say it like that before. That is wild. That's amazing. Nurses, a lot of times, the whole spectrum of experiences that they have ranges from the happiest to the absolute worst. And knowing what you know about holding space for people, what would be like? What would be like a point of wisdom that you would give nurses when it comes to navigating high and low, like these swings of, I guess, like emotional context, or you know that they're going to deal with with their patients, cause it's not, it is swings, it is ups downs, it's not just all bad or all good.
Speaker 2:Right, I think you know the highs, the good times definitely help in those periods of of the really difficult things. But especially dealing, like on my end, with the grief and you know that kind of we'll call it negative, it negative emotion, less desirable. There is a beauty in that and I think being able to recognize that you being able to be there, holding space for somebody to be in that place, when so many people are not given the just the okay to open up and be in that space of grief, it can be a really beautiful process and, just again, being that witness to that and like holding that space being open for somebody to be able to break down, because processing that emotion is where you don't get that like emotional constipation.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:But hand in hand with that is, again, not not holding on to that yourself and being able to appropriately process your own emotions. So do you debrief with other doulas or I am. I do have a therapist, but I I'm actually in um, a community of doulas in town, well, statewide, and it does offer that community of support for for all of us I think you talked about this in one of your previous episodes of that that trauma bonding, and that is something that is really kind of dangerous territory. But within this community, having a space where you're like, hey, I just had a really difficult overnight. Or hey, I'm coming off a really difficult birth, can somebody just talk to me about this? Or like, hey, I'm dealing with this better than the other, and being able to be then held by somebody else in that space, somebody who understands that it's really hard.
Speaker 1:Who can?
Speaker 2:relate and be like yeah, that sounds really terrible. You know, have you gotten a nap, have you? You know, maybe go home and sleep and we'll talk after take a shower.
Speaker 1:You're validating and providing structure for somebody that may not be able to navigate that at the moment, and that's that is very different. Than you know, trauma bonding doesn't have a healing or a purposeful intent. Exactly, it is a emotional soothing, if you will. It is a maladaptive way of forming a connection, but it is not done with the intent. It's not actually done consciously. Usually it's not done with the intent of it being a positive, like an engagement. A positive engagement and I don't mean positive as in like all happy cheery, I just mean as in providing engagement that helps a person move forward and through you know, whatever it is that they're dealing with. So providing structure for someone while also validating what they're experiencing gives them something, I think, to hold on to while they're expressing the emotions outward and not shoving them in boxes, because we compartmentalize things like it's like we do it like we're breathing and we don't ever unpack them and then when the boxes explode, we can't function anymore. Right? And a lot of nurses that it really doesn't matter what field you're in are. We face these highs and lows all the time, and I think in nursing there's a huge stigma of not being able to talk about it, because in nursing, if you can't handle something or you're emotionally affected, you know, deeply affected by something. The stigma false stigma is that it somehow makes you weak or unable to be the structure for your patients or be reliable or, you know, be a strong link in the chain, whatever. For the team it's absolute BS.
Speaker 1:And I think nurses need to create more communities like the ones that you're describing, because they need to be able to hold space and not in a, in a debrief. In a hospital setting, nobody ever actually talks honestly about their personal emotions and feelings. We'll cover what happened, we'll cover the policies, procedures, all that other stuff. Um, because they are afraid of repercussions or afraid of a stigma or afraid of negativity, and I think that's a really important component to have like for nurses to start creating. I'm sure that there are nursing communities out there that do that, but with the actual intent of it being positive, engaged, like structural support in a way. You know, I think that's really incredible. That's a, that's a unique thing. Maybe that's something that we're going to have to start fostering with the ritual nurse. Is there anything that really stands out to you the most in terms of just the years that you've been doing this? What's your favorite thing about it?
Speaker 2:I enjoy working with people and helping people. Everything I have ever done in my life has always kind of been revolved around helping people, and many times families or other women, mothers, and so it yeah, it's all kind of this space of helping people heal or be in you know a better place achieving their goals or yeah.
Speaker 1:It's all about the people like nurturing, I think for you is your, it's like your essence, it's like your vibe. I know our listeners aren't sitting next to Molly and can't tell this, but it just you are somebody, who you're. You're one of the few people that I've seen whose job and the point of their job is actually it matches, actually your essence, like matches you.
Speaker 1:Like it, just like I wish people. I wish our listeners could sit next to you. They would get it, and I think that's just wonderful. Yeah, we're here, like I like hugs.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and the funny thing is is people gravitate towards hugging you all the time. I only hug people that I like a lot, and most other people I'm kind of like a cat and like touch me, but from over there and not actually touching me. Thanks, but I am always up for hugs from Molly. Now I think we're going to segue on that note to our favorite section of the podcast At least it's one of my fun ones which is coffee crystals and divination. And I am on whole 30 this week people.
Speaker 1:So my access to my favorite coffees and those kinds of things have been highly limited. But I do want to say that it's caused me to get kind of inventive and really try to think of ways that I can have my favorite thing, and it's kind of a soothing. I don't drink coffee because I need it, I, it's just kind of a soothing thing but ways to recreate that so that I'm still meeting my need. And, honestly, the more fragrant a tea that I've found or had, it must be something about the combination of the senses of it being soothing and warm and olfactory. Yeah, so my drinks of choice this week have been like the most fragrant herbal and fruit teas I can possibly find, and it's just been filling the space, I guess. Yeah, no, I haven't had access to my normal coffee and I've just been trying to survive it. Normally I have like a cool drink or something you know that I've picked out. That is my favorite for the week and I guess the fruit and herbal teas are kind of doing it.
Speaker 1:If you guys have ever been on a whole 30, tell me in either the comments or the show notes what your favorites for whole 30 have been. There's usually the go-tos of like plant milks and then trying to make that work without sweeteners. It's the sweeteners thing that gets me. But let me know, let me know what concoctions you guys have come up with for your favorite waters, your favorite drinks. I'm going to pull an Oracle card for our divination for this episode. I don't know if you've ever seen these, but the crystal portal Oracle is awesome. It's gorgeous. Uh, so far they've been incredibly on point, but these are super fun. Do you have a favorite deck? I have a couple. Isn't that the case?
Speaker 1:I probably have like 30 or 40 of them. I actually brought two. Did you Then for our tarot part of it, because I draw an oracle card and then I draw a tarot one.
Speaker 2:I mean, my oracle isn't God those are so cute. I know I crocheted this. My oracle is not crystals, well, okay, the one that I brought isn't crystals, mm-hmm, but it's called the Spirit Mama's Oracle, which I love, and actually one of my friends came up with this with her Came up with the oracle deck. Yeah, with her, we're going to use yours. Her friend, I'm going to stop shopping. Yeah, the Spirit Mamas, victoria and Tiffany, they're fantastic.
Speaker 1:I love it. I'm going to have to look them up and this is their Spirit Mamas Oracle. So put it on the, put it on socials, but how pretty is this. Look at these. Wait, I am wondering if I saw this deck at a sound healing that Jen did Interesting.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, well, I'm like I did also bring a tarot, but it's not as on brand.
Speaker 1:That does not matter, it's okay. However, draw an oracle card. Let's see what happens. I love it. I love when my guests bring their own decks. Draw an Oracle card, let's see what happens. I love it. I love when my guests bring their own decks. I mean, I do love using the crystal one, but I love seeing the other decks and they're incredible. The healing mother, totally irrelevant. Love it, wow. Okay, that is a stunningly beautiful card. I'm going to have to take pictures of these, so these the I will put the deck and if I can find links to the authors, of course, um, on our socials so that you guys can see how absolutely beautiful this deck is. Um, and if you want to purchase it from the artists, uh, hopefully I'll be able to find the link and I'll put it on there. But what is the meaning of this card?
Speaker 2:So, the imagery is is a woman and she is a representation of the goddess Sekhmet, and so she is. It says she's here to heal your divine feminine, because we live in such a masculine world with all of these systems and constructs.
Speaker 2:And so it's about stepping into your feminine power, whether it's your relationship to yourself or other women in your life. Allow this balance in your energy to be restored and basically reminding you that the feminine isn't soft or weak, not when it comes to segment, no, exactly. So hold your boundaries, which we mentioned and totally irrelevant, lovingly releasing anything that no longer serves you.
Speaker 1:That is absolutely perfect. That is wildly amazing. Yes, Wildly amazing. Okay, so which gosh? That's incredible. Which tarot deck did you bring? As she giggles and looks at me I love this.
Speaker 2:This is my horror tarot, because I absolutely love this deck Okay.
Speaker 1:Now quick question.
Speaker 2:I'm like maybe it's the morbid fascination. You said horror right, horror.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, yes, I mean the other.
Speaker 2:You said horror right, horror, okay, yes, yes, I mean the morbid fascination would have been just fine too.
Speaker 1:I'm like, hey, not a problem, yeah, it's in a very like oh, okay, I love horror yes horror themed cloth, love the cloth um I love this um, but yeah, maybe it's the morbid fascination in me that just is drawn to stuff like this and you know, you know, I think people that deal with death and do so like with eyes open, like cognitively, fully when did you go? Do have a different relationship to its concepts, to its imagery, to discussions about it, to all that. You know, it's not taboo for us. So I think a lot of nurses can relate to that heavily, heavily, heavily.
Speaker 2:So when I work in the financial services industry and so working within like the death community and being connected with, like protecting your legacy and helping people do that and achieve their financial goals, it all is very interconnected and I absolutely love having death conversations with our office manager because he gets really uncomfortable oh no.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Yes, so for your deck, this looks like the Ten of Wands amazing, yes, so for your deck, this looks like the 10 of wands and there's a scroll and a we'll call it a chalice and 10 candles that are lit. What does your deck have to say about this, or what is your interpretation for your deck for this? So I think the 10 of wands has a lot to do with emotion and the propensity of especially for this one, of being in touch with your emotions and understanding the meaning that they're supposed to bring to you and the way that they're arranged in this card. It looks exactly like boundaries around the central figure, yeah, and they are all lit. None of them are sideways, they're all upright, providing a really clear. It's almost like a circle around the central figure and the scroll and the meaning.
Speaker 1:So, again, totally irrelevant, but and I say totally relevant, completely like sarcastically, I'm saying it fully ironically, not irrelevant but, and I say totally relevant, um, completely like sarcastically, I'm saying it fully ironically, not unironically, but that's, uh, that's an incredible card. I love the deck and I love the coloring of the deck. Like holy cow, yeah, how long have you had that deck?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know, maybe a year, year and a half, not super long. So I'm still like there are still cards in here. Obviously I've like summed through the deck but yeah, there are cards I've still never pulled wow, okay, so this one is really specific in its meaning.
Speaker 1:Another thing that the 10 of wands can signify is overwhelm and like having too much in front of you or having too much on your plate, and the recommendation usually when the 10 of wands comes up in that context is that you need to hold boundaries and that you need to hold space for yourself, like you have too many things in your space and you need to let go of what's not working, and in order to do that, you have to have adequate boundaries.
Speaker 2:Cause again completely not relevant to anything we talked about today.
Speaker 1:What so ever?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:I want to thank everyone for listening to the podcast and definitely you're going to want to check out next week's episode. Just make sure that you are holding space and boundaries for yourself. Make sure that you are taking care of yourself and giving yourself the space to voice when you're not able to do that or when you're struggling to do that. The only way that we can learn how to take care of ourselves is by practicing this, and sometimes that requires help and that is okay. And if you need to reach out, if you are struggling, you know. Please make sure that you are reaching out to the resources around you. If you're in the U S nine, eight eight is an amazing resource. I just want to tell you I love your faces and until next time we'll see you then.