Biblical AI Ethics | Special Interview with a Tech Savvy Pastor: Miles DeBenedictus | Part 1 of 2

Ryan Rice talks with pastor and tech leader Miles De. Benedictus about why artificial intelligence is accelerating so quickly and why Christians need a biblical ethic to guide it. We explore AI agents, sermon prep tools, church leadership systems, and the real-world tradeoffs of convenience versus distraction for families and ministry. 
• Miles’ pastoral background and technology roots 
• Why AI ethics belongs in Christian ethics 
• What “AI agents” change about oversight 
• Gnomian AI and governing system behavior 
• Sermon Brief as a sermon prep roadmap 
• Clarifying mission vision and values in churches 
• The Gutenberg press as a technology analogy 
• Benefits and risks of screens in family life 
• Self-driving cars and the hidden stress of driving 
• Medical breakthroughs education shifts and job displacement risks 
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Transcript

Welcome And Show Purpose

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to Real Life Ministry, where we are dedicated to teaching and encouraging Christians to live free and live strong. Your host today is Ryan Rice, a Bible teacher, a pastor, entrepreneur, and a writer. Join us as we dive into various topics and how they relate to faith, values, and making a positive impact in America. Let's dive into it.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of Real Life Ministry. I've so excited today. We're going to be talking with Miles D. Benedictus. And so I'm in the home studio. And so if you do hear some doggies in the background, those are my bird dogs. So this podcast is dedicated to help you as a Christian live free, live strong. Miles, thanks for joining us today.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

And Ryan, I'm blessed to be a part of it. Glad that we could connect. And it's been good to meet you and get to know you a little bit over the last several weeks.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Yeah.

Meeting Through Pastor Larry Osborne

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Well, and I think we've got connected through Larry Osborne, and that was really cool. How do you know Larry?

SPEAKER_02 1:12

So I pastor locally close to Larry. So I'm in North San Diego County, kind of inland, and he's on the coast. And as you know, because you've been connected to him in a similar way, he's been a mentor of mine and a mentor to a lot of pastors in this area. So I got to know him probably 12 years ago, and now he's not just a mentor, but a pretty good friend as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Yeah. That that's been one of my favorite like experiences for pastoral like connection and growing, you know, because I'm connecting with, he brings in 10 to 12 pastors, lead pastors, some founding pastors from all across the country. And we come together and it's a very relational environment. And that's always it's been my approach to ministry as well. And Larry's like so accessible, relational. And then he brought you in in that mix. We gathered for a few days uh there in Oceanside. And so you were there and you kind of opened up some of your uh interesting insights, and it's really cool.

Miles’ Family And Pastoral Journey

SPEAKER_01 2:20

So before we get going into some of the tech stuff that you're involved in, let's talk about um why don't you share a little bit about your family and and uh let the listeners kind of get to know you a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Yeah, I'm blessed to live in you know what I think of as paradise. Um I still live just about 10 minutes away from where I grew up. My parents still live in the home that I grew up in. And um I pastor a church in a town called Escondido, California. So probably about 30 minutes, depending on traffic outside of downtown San Diego. And uh my wife and I are here in this area. We've been married for 20 years this year, and she's a nurse practitioner. Um, we have four kids, uh, two boys and two girls going from 11th grade down to seventh grade. So we're kind of in the we're officially as of June, we will have all of our kids as teenagers, which is a whole new experience. And um, and then in the the ministry area, I I grew up at a Calvary Chapel church here in San Diego, and my family started attending there when I was 11 years old. And I basically never left. They they discipled me through the youth ministry and uh invited me to be an intern at the church when I was 19. And and then soon after that, I ended up being a youth pastor, and that has led to like 27 years of pastoral ministry. And as of today, I'm celebrating 18 years as the senior pastor of the church. We changed the name of the church from Calvary Chapel to Cross Connection Church in um 2011, I think it was, but still connected with Calvary Chapel and also kind of loosely connected with the Southern Baptist Convention.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Yeah, that's cool. And you're you're at school there with the Southern Baptist guys, the Southern. Is that right?

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Yeah, I'm a I'm doing a PhD at Southern Seminary in Kentucky.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Yeah, man, that's great. That's so good. So, well, um why don't you uh share a little bit? I mean, you're a pastor low uh uh you're running multiple tech companies, including uh Gnomion. Did I pronounce that right? Gnomion AI? Pretty much gnomion?

SPEAKER_02 4:27

Yeah, that's kind of how I say it. Gnomian.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

What is what is gnomion? What is it? I'm sorry, I'm I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

So my

AI Ethics And The Gnomian Vision

SPEAKER_02 4:35

it's connected to my PhD research. My PhD research is kind of an odd thing to be researching at a theological seminary. I'm I'm studying ethics, Christian ethics.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Oh, that's very good.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

My my focus is artificial intelligence ethics. And so in the area of AI, I have a background in technology. I came into the ministry really to help the church in the technology area. I was doing their website. This is years ago now, 1999. I was building their website and managing their computer networks and making sure printers and computers worked. And the next thing I knew, I was doing Bible studies and ended up in being a youth pastor. So I've always had connections with technology. And so, because of that, I've been serving on the board of several technology nonprofits. So, Blue Letter Bible, if you've ever used blueletterbible.com to study the Bible, I'm on their board. And then I'm on the board of another ministry called enduringword.com, which is a commentary of the entire Bible, Genesis to Revelation.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

That's it with their yeah, David Kuzik.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

So I help with their technology. But then as a result of that, my PhD research has led me to get pretty deep into the discussion and study of artificial intelligence. And my focus has been to try to govern artificial intelligence with a biblical morality or a biblical ethic. And this is becoming really important because right now we've moved. 2026 is kind of the year of the AI agent. And this is where these systems no longer need you prompting them. So right now, until this point, people have prompted them and they ask questions and get answers back. But now you can send these systems to go and do research on your behalf or do work on your behalf without your oversight. And so those systems need um a model for governing their behavior. And that's basically what my company, Gnomian, is focused on. It's trying to create systems for governing these systems. And the the name Gnomian comes from the Greek word namos, which is the word for law. And so it's kind of establishing a governance system for artificial intelligence.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

So this would be the the anti-nomium position. That that's where that I remember that word now. Once you told me Greek, I was like, why do I know that word? So there's exactly okay. Okay, good. So do you have like potential clients with like the United States government or like who

Sermon Brief And Smarter Prep

SPEAKER_01 7:05

would be your client?

SPEAKER_02 7:07

So nothing for the government right now. Um, my I do have clients kind of in the the Christian space. I also have products. I think I showed a product to you called Sermon Brief. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

I've been I've been using it. I I love it. I'm very proud of that. I've like it's very helpful. I fact check it and I haven't found it to be wrong yet. Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah. So Sermon Brief is a tool that I I created within my company to really help pastors and Bible teachers to begin their process of sermon preparation. So it kind of just gives them a roadmap at the beginning to kind of how do I think through the passage, which is kind of the same thing that you or I would do if we're preparing for a Bible study, we would open up Logos or some other program and we would kind of chart out the outline of what we are planning to say or where we might go on a given passage. Because I know that you you teach through the scriptures expositionally, chapter by chapter, book by book. So do we at Cross Connection. So it's like I know the passage I'm going to be preaching in this next Sunday. It's going to be dealing with the Good Samaritan and the Gospel of Luke, chapter 10. And having preached the Bible for a long time, like you have, I kind of have an idea of where I want to go, but sermon brief just kind of gives me some ideas of how I might want to approach the text. That's one of my products. But yeah, I have other clients that I support through my company.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

Yeah, it's it saved a bunch of time for me because like so. What I'll do is I'm like, okay, I I outline, you know, if I'm going to teach through the book of Acts, like I've got it kind of outlined based on the amount of passages I will cover typically in a given week. And I will outline it for like a year or further. And so, and then obviously, like we can pause and wait and skip weeks and then do special little series in between. But I've started using that sermon brief content um to basically replace some of my in the years past is uh hiring research assistants. So I even use docent research. I don't know if you're familiar with those guys. But I'm sorry, but I don't like I don't like I don't think I could justify hiring them anymore after having your content.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

So well, you know, it's funny you say that because I've I've known about docent for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

Um, you know, the church that I pastor, if everybody showed up, which like we know, everybody never shows up.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

If everybody showed up, there's about 800 people in the church. And so for a church under a thousand, yeah, the pastor's probably not going to be able to afford the docent proof. Right. Um, but sermon brief is like twenty dollars a month or under twenty dollars a month, and it's it's quite a bit cheaper than that. And I think the output is honestly better than what you probably get from doset. I'm sure they would be able to do that. I think so.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Oh, yeah. I think no, I think you're right. As a user who's used them, I I think you're right. I think you're absolutely right. And what it's allowed me to do is actually, so I'll say, Man, I'm gonna have a busy next five weeks. Let me let me create my sermon research briefs for the next five weeks. So I don't have to stress about organizing my material. And then when I'm in the research of the sermon briefs, I'll go back and check all the main sources and make sure I feel comfortable with you know, if there's ideas that that are presented that I'm like, I'm not sure about that, you know. So anyway, great job on that, man. Thanks. Sermonbrief.com. Yeah. Okay. And then um, so what what are some things I'm just curious on a personal note, like, you know, uh, are there are there other companies that you're running with AI?

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Well, so or technically Nomian is kind of a division of my primary company. So I have another company called Soma Insights, and Soma Insights is really a consulting company, and I've used that in the past to consult with nonprofits and churches and

Church Vision And Team Alignment

SPEAKER_02 11:05

other organizations in the area of like organizational management and leadership, helping them do like planning their vision, purpose, mission, vision, values, all that sort of stuff. That uh, you know, a lot of boards and you know, organizations and churches do quite a bit. So I've been brought in from time to time to kind of help churches manage a transition, you know, when they're doing a senior pastor transition and um and then kind of help them think about how to do organizational management. So that that that company, Soma Insights, is my primary company, and then Nomian is like a division of that, doing the AI research and development.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Okay. So in like a context where we're at in our church, where we're a growing church, it's expanding, we're actually implementing some of the EOS stuff into our church. I don't know if you're familiar with uh that it's um entrepreneurial operating system, I forget the guy's name that wrote wrote the book, but we're reorganizing some of like our systems and processes in order to help the church just continue to grow. Um would the Soma group, would that division be of a resource to us?

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah, it's probably somewhat similar. I mean, I'm sure you know because you've been involved in organizational leadership for a long time. There's a whole bunch of different approaches. There's, you know, all these different groups that have done their, you know, SWOT analysis, yeah, EOS analysis, and everybody kind of has a different approach, but ultimately they're kind of helping people get to the same target. And that target is kind of defining and refining what is your purpose, mission, vision, value, strategy, all that sort of stuff. Because I think that a lot of times, and having been in pastoral ministry for a long time, you just your your vision, whether you articulate it or not, is going to come out in the things that you say yes and no to. And but then when you are explicit about what your vision is, it it really helps the entire team to be able to function better. Because a lot of times, I don't know the structure of your church, but our church is pretty senior pastor focused. That's kind of counter chapels are that way. And a lot of entrepreneurial senior pastor leaders, they they know in their mind what their vision and what their purpose is, but they maybe haven't done the best job of articulating it where everybody else knows what that is. And so I think that a lot of these groups, that's kind of what they do. They help them, like I said, define and refine what that vision is so that everybody can be moving in the same direction. Because I think one of the one of the big problems that happens in a lot of organizations and especially churches, is you end up saying yes to a lot of people who are excited and want to be in ministry and do stuff, and then you end up with like 30 or 40 different ministries within one ministry that are all kind of doing their own thing instead of having a cohesive vision.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Yeah. Oh, that's cool. And so your company, that company, is it Soma or SOMO?

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Soma, S O M A.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

So that would be from that Greek word as well. Um it's like helping the church body kind of thing, right? Okay, definitely. Yeah, I think you know, that's where you know this is really cool. So, like, how do you see, you know, AI and technology

Gutenberg Press Speed Compared To AI

SPEAKER_01 14:25

being a benefit uh and perhaps a burden, like the the pro and the con of this future? Because I as I understand, I think we had this conversation. I don't remember if it was if you said it or I had heard it or something. I had read about it, but this idea of like the Gutenberg Press idea. It's like when the Gutenberg Press came out, you know, it disseminated all sorts of information and it and the impact, it it was massive. It was a global transformation uh of moving, you know, into different ages in a sense, and to um and and but that took like I don't know, 50 years, a hundred years, and then this this AI revolution, this technology revolution, it's happening at like warp speed compared to that. And so why don't you just describe to our listeners just some of the technological speed and change? I know there's also this conversation going on about quantum computing and the impact that's gonna have. And so just explain to our listeners kind of the time frame we're in within technology and understanding the maybe the relationship of the impact change from like the Gutenberg press to this as a maybe uh as an illustration.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Yeah, well, I think that you know, bringing up the Gutenberg press is really helpful because if you consider just thinking back throughout human history, I mean, we we kind of chronicle human history through different stages of revolutions, you know, from the Stone Age to the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, to all these different ages.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

And really what you have at every single point is man learning to harness different materials or different things in the area of material science is really what we call it, to create new tools. And those new tools kind of create step changes in advancement for human history. And so you can you can look at human history throughout in that area, and and we sometimes refer to all these things as revolutions, like we would refer to the scientific revolution and the industrial revolution and the technological revolution, and these are kind of like major step changes that enable humans to do greater things than they were able to do before. And you know, we've been able to see it kind of compressed into smaller time periods. I mean, it used to be you're talking hundreds, if not thousands, of years of change where these things are taking place and disseminating to different groups like how to harness metals and to use bronze or to use iron. It took a long time for that stuff to happen. But then when you get to the industrial revolution, it kind of accelerates everything because now we have energy and technology to be able to transmit information to long distances and to be able to disseminate information faster. So you see an acceleration of all this, and then that really heightens in the 20th century with computer technology and what we know of now is the technological revolution, which is really our lifetime, you and me. And so we look over the last 50 years, I'm 46. So if you look at the last 50 years, the transformation of all that is phenomenal, and it just keeps scaling up and up and up and up to the point that now uh artificial intelligence has burst onto the scene. I think what a lot of people don't understand or recognize is they think that AI is something new that happened in the last five years. I mean, November 2022 is when ChatGPT came out. But really, ChatGPT was just the new version of something that's being been being worked on for decades. This goes back to the mid-1950s when AI became an area of study. But now we have these tools that are remarkable. I mean, you can speak to them in natural language and they understand the meaning of what you are saying to them and they can respond in meaningful ways, which just completely changes the horizon of what you can do with the technology. So the Gutenberg press made it possible for something like the Protestant Reformation to take place, it made it possible for missions to really expand because now we can duplicate the material of the Bible and also Bible studies on that and distribute it and reach more people faster. Well, what we have with the technological revolution and the internet from the 1990s, now you add that with AI, and the ability to reach people is phenomenal. Now, the downside to that is every technology that has ever been created after the fall of Genesis chapter three tends towards evil. You know, we have the knowledge of good and evil. And so the knowledge of evil means that these technologies, you know, whether it was bronze or iron, what do we use these things for? We use them for weapons and we use them to subjugate and dominate people. So the same is true with the Gutenberg Press. It can be used for good and it can be used for bad, or technology. It can be used for good and it can be used for bad. The good is to be able to reach people with, you know, podcasts like what we're doing here. The bad is you can distribute pornography and all kinds of other terrible materials. So that's going to be true with AI too, but at like to an accelerated pace.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, that's good. So from from everything kind

Tech Help Versus Screen Addiction

SPEAKER_01 19:35

of you're seeing in technology and AI, how how do you think the the the tools are going to shift the way we live as Christians, as families, and inside the local church? What what is your forecast?

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Well, the the good side would be hopefully uh some of these tools can take care of the the busy work and the administrative things of ministries and families.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

So that maybe we could spend more time with each other. But the problem is, you know, we're addicted to progress. Yeah. But also the other challenge to that is like we didn't realize when we created these handheld devices with screens and social media how much they would distract us. I mean, yeah, uh, I see it within my own family. There's far too many times where all of my family, my four kids and my wife and I, we're all sitting in the living room, but we all have devices and frames. So so they can be equally a help to get rid of administrative issues, but they can also be a major distraction. So I I think that's going to be one of the challenges is we need to know how these things will affect us in that way.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Yeah. Yeah. Now I see it. I mean, for for us, we we always say, hey, put your phones up before you come sit at the table, you know. So we like we just say, you know, like, hey, we'll model it. Because, you know, like you're at you're at the table and somebody receives a text message, and you know, we even say, like, you know, turn turn it off so it's not like ringing or buzzing while we're while we're eating. You know, little rhythms like that go a long way, you know. Super helpful, you know, and it's like, and we're all like in our family, we're not at all anti-technology, very pro, you know, technology. Like, hey, it's a tool, you know, it's a great thing. Um, however, like, yeah, screen addiction is a big deal. Death, I I realize death scrolling or doom scrolling. I I I'm like guilty of that yesterday. My son-in-law walked in and he's like, What are you up to? I'm like, Oh, you saved me. I was doom scrolling.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

It was like French fried from like uh, you know, three services on Sunday and all sorts of stuff going on. And so I'm like laying on the couch, and you know, you always see some crazy interesting stuff, but it's uh you know, it you set a distraction, and I'm like, Yeah, you see it all the time. People are like out on a date and they're like on their phone.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

You're like, ah, it's the worst.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

I I mean there there's so there are certain things that the technology does that really Frees us up. For example, we just bought one of these um robotic vacuums. No way. That's cool. My my wife was just running it on Saturday for the first time. Does it work? Oh, it was incredible. It is mopping and vacuuming our entire downstairs of our house, and it just does it. And it like it does a really good job. So that is one less chore that needs to be done. Like, I love it. And if they're gonna create a robot that folds laundry, I mean, you know, you have a house filled with if I have a robot that folds laundry, I will pay money for that. Like that would be amazing. But the other side of this is like these things can become distractions.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Yeah. Yeah, I I love it. I I think it's really cool too. I so you like and you're the first guy that that kind of made me interested in the e-car stuff. Cause you or or maybe like I'm like a Toyota Tundra guy, you know, but I do I we have common connections, like the I love Apple, I use all Apple products, and I just you know, and I've been in both worlds. I've been PC guy, and I was there in the early days when like PC and Mac were like trying to do those those mirrors or windows, whatever it was, like you could cross

Tesla Self-Driving And Hidden Stress

SPEAKER_01 23:15

over. And and then I just like once you go Mac, you don't go back, you know. So I was like, dude, I'm totally Mac. And um, but you the e-car thing or whatever, like you did that you said I like it because it reduces stress and I have it drive me around. Like, talk about that for a second.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

I will confess I drive a Tesla cyber truck. It it is uh, according to my wife, the ugliest thing on the road. Um, but the greatest feature ever is full self-driving. Like Tesla's full self-driving is remarkable, and I've come to the point, and mind you, like I like to drive, especially like to go fast, and electric cars go pretty quick. But I only drive 10% of the time now. My car drives 90% of the time. And I just kind of sit and stare out the window and listen to a podcast and drink my coffee when my car drives, and it is amazing how what I did not realize when I first started using this is how much low grade stress we live with just for driving. Yeah, we don't even realize it until you're not driving anymore. Yeah, so yeah, I'm uh I'm lazy. My car drives me.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Mm-hmm. That's yeah, I I I was I was very curious about that. So um, okay, so here's another question. How do you see AI

Medicine Education Translation And Job Loss

SPEAKER_01 24:30

and advanced technology impacting society as a whole, both both opportunities and dangers? And I think we kind of talked about that at a micro level, but more macro.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Well, on the on the good side, and there there is a lot of good that's going to come out of this. For instance, you know, one of the first major breakthroughs in what's the current kind of AI technology, neural network AI technology, was in the area of being able to unfold proteins in a, you know, we're talking about genetic proteins in these models where they were using what's called AlphaFold, which is a Google technology from a company called Deepind. And they were able to use neural network AI technology to unfold proteins, which means that we can learn how to create new medicines or create new proteins to heal diseases. Um, but also, like in medicine, we're already using AI technology for diagnosing um radiological images, and they catch tumors better than a lot of radiologists do. So, I mean, there's a lot of amazing and good things that are gonna happen in the area of medicine and health. Um, there's a lot of amazing things that are gonna happen in the area of education. I mean, we have an educational model in America that that could be made better. And one of the ways that it could be made better is that you have too many students and not enough teachers. But what if you have artificial intelligence teachers that are able to gear the education specifically to the pupil, to the subject, where every single student has an AI agent teacher that is basically helping them to learn the subject in a way that they will learn the subject well? And you're still gonna have human teachers that are managing the progress of these students. Yeah, but there's some areas where that's gonna be huge. And then, you know, one of the ways that we're using it at Enduring Word, um, and a lot of people are using this technology is translation to be able so. To give you an example, we we had an initiative at Enduring Word to take David Gusick's entire commentary, which is four and a half in words.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

And wait, say that say that again, say that again, because I think it looks like glitched.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Oh, sorry. So the enduring word Bible commentary is four and a half million words of written content from David Gusick. And we wanted to translate it into the ten most spoken languages in the world. So we started this initiative in 2017, and at that point in time, the only way to do that is human translators. And so we translated the Arabic translation, and it took about five years, and it cost about three-quarters of a million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Now, with the technology that we have through artificial intelligence and machine translation, we can do the exact same thing. Translate the entire commentary in about an hour for less than 10% of the cost. So you're reducing the time and the cost. Less than how much using this 10% of the cost. Yeah, less than 10% of the $10.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

So $35,000, $20,000.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

To make sure that the translation still follows the the you know the voice and the style of David Guzick and it maintains the outline structure that you have in the HTML, all of that we can do it for you know under $70,000, everything done. And and in an hour. So of course we're gonna use that kind of technology. We're not the only ones. I mean, Wycliffe and other Bible translation groups, they're working out technologies to translate the scriptures. So, yeah, those those are the good things. The the bad things is, and the impulse is going to be to replace human workers with artificial intelligence agents. And this is already happening. I mean, just this first quarter of 2026, we've seen nearly 100,000 layoffs in the tech space that have to do with AI. And at every major company, so I would say the Fortune 500 companies in America today, they are tracking and storing the usage of AI by their employees. I just had a conversation with a guy on Saturday. He works for a Fortune 500 company that you would know the name. I'm not gonna say it, but you would know exactly who this company is, and they have more than 20,000 employees, and they are ranking every single one of them according to how they're using the technology. And if they don't use the technology, they're probably gonna be let go. But then the other challenge is if you do use the technology, you are effectively training the technology to do your job, and then you get laid off anyway because the technology does the job faster and more inexpensively than you. So that's one of the major, major downsides is that we're gonna see unemployment spike because people are gonna be replaced by computers.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Well, and but is it are they gonna be replaced by computers or are they gonna be replaced by people who know how to use the computers?

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Because it's well, that's a that's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

What what's gonna happen though is where where you may have needed 10 people to do a job, that's gonna be one person who oversees a team of agents. So yeah, you're gonna have a compression.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Be that one. That would be nice. Yeah, that's that's what uh that's kind of my perspective. Is like I just had a buddy reach out to me and he's like, Hey, Ryan, I want to talk to you. You know, he's a Dallas Seminary graduate, and you met him, Matt Shackelford. He's a um pastor, I think Tennessee, large church. And he's like, I just finished my PhD, I want to talk to you about writing books. And, you know, I've used research briefs. He's like, I want to know your hacks, and I'm doing self-publishing and all that stuff. And I'm like, I'm like, self-publishing has opened the door for global distribution for pastors, and that was never around in years past. Like now you can you could write a book and have it published and have worldwide distribution in a matter of months, you know. And so I'm like, Matt, you're gonna do great. I'd be glad to help you do it. So cool.

Where To Follow Miles And Closing

SPEAKER_01 30:25

So, well, I'd like to come back on um a uh part two of this podcast and talk about ethics and uh uh uh your the AI agenda. So um let's save some of that, those conversations for another time.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

All right. Well, Miles, thanks for joining us. Um man, this was some really good content. Where can people get a hold of you if they want to get a hold of you or learn more about your ministry, the tech companies you're doing, and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Yeah, you can certainly find me at my business website, know me and n o mi-o-n dotai. Uh, but probably one of the best places to connect with me is uh on X or Twitter. Um, just Pastor Miles is my name there, or on Substack at Pastor Miles. That's another place where you'll find a lot of articles where I've written been writing on this subject.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Yeah, that's great. Well, thanks for being a part. And when we come back, we're gonna talk about uh I'd be real curious to hear more about, you know, how do you see AI accelerating global evangelization, reaching people, some of the doctoral work you're doing concerning, you know, uh these autonomous systems and how they could be used, maybe even for global deception, good and for bad, and just some practical takeaways. So thanks for being with us, and we look forward to having you again.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Yeah. All right, guys. Well, thanks. That wraps up another episode. Hope that you enjoyed it. And if you find it helpful, share it with a friend and visit us at real life ministry.us. Till next time, live free and live strong.

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