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Live Panel Q&A: Israel, Islam, Iran and A Christian Response
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We close out the series with a live panel that tackles Israel, Islam, Iran, and the church’s responsibility to think and speak with biblical precision. We aim for conviction without hatred by separating people from politics and letting Scripture set the categories before the news cycle does.
• why we keep saying “think biblical before geopolitical”
• concerns about Islam as a theocratic political system and why religious liberty matters
• the case for resisting self-censorship and learning the core beliefs you want to critique
• what Scripture can and cannot be used to claim about supporting the modern state of Israel
• how Romans shapes the definition of a “true Jew” and why salvation is by grace through faith
• why replacement theology and confusion about covenants can feed anti-Semitism
• Zechariah in context and which covenant is being judged
• Iran’s ideology, the “axis of evil” framing, and America’s role in confronting evil
• why relational love and consistent Christian witness open doors with Jewish friends
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Series Finale And Key Resources
Welcome to Real Life Ministry, where we are dedicated to teaching and encouraging Christians to live free and live strong. Your host today is Ryan Rice, a Bible teacher, a pastor, entrepreneur, and a writer. Join us as we dive into various topics and how they relate to faith, values, and making a positive impact in America. Let's dive into it. All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of Real Life Ministry Man O Man. We are wrapping up this series. You've heard from Dr. Daryl Del Hussey, keynote speaker number one, keynote number two, Lieutenant Colonel Alan West. What a patriot and a godly strong good man. A guardian. By the way, he wrote a book called I'm gonna pull it up real quick. I think it's called uh Guardian. And I think it's called The Guardian. And by Lieutenant Colonel West. Let's see. Um yeah, it's on Amazon. You can pick it up. The book details, uh, it published some time ago. It's a political memoir, commentary, uh, core themes, uh, would be conservative values, military service, constitutional principles, all that good stuff. Okay, so check it out. That's not even what I was wanting to talk to you about. I was wanting to talk to you about um just making sure you help us get the word out. Like go to Amazon, pre-order the book, Kindle version. It's 10 bucks. It even if you don't have a Kindle, help help us out, get the word out. If you've already got a copy of the book that you got the hard copy at the event, just give it as a gift to a friend. Think biblical about the geopolitical, help people experience the truth, know what how to navigate through some of these cultural landmines of our day with buzzwords like Israel and uh you know the church and what's the role of Israel and the church. I mean, all of this stuff is answered in the book. Um, the book was censored for a period of time over the chapters on Islam. So I go through all of that. Uh really good content. Uh Del Hussey is a supporter and influencer in this as well, Lieutenant Colonel Alan West. So help us get the truth out there. Jesus said, if you know the truth, the truth will set you free. You can go to Amazon to pre-order your copy. It'll go live July 4th. Let's write reviews, let's get it into the hands of folks. Help us get the word out. That'd be awesome. Okay. Enough about all that. Let's listen to this panel. Uh, what a great event it was. Uh, you're gonna hear from all three keynote speakers. Um, Del Hussey and uh the Colonel do a fantastic job. I moderate through it. And uh Pastor James was the host of it, did a fantastic job. So thanks to all of you who have supported, contributed, helped out, and uh hope you enjoy this session. Here we
Panel Opens With Audience Questions
go. We received all your questions. We thank you so much for getting those in. The panel has the list, and they will be going through that. And so, with that said, I'll hand it over to them. Thanks. All right, well, uh, you guys thank James real quick for doing all this. Thank you. All right. Hey, it's been really good being with you. So uh the colonel doesn't want to look at the questions, so I have the questions. So we're gonna put him on the spot. So um I'm gonna work backwards. So we're we received a bunch of questions, so I'll moderate in this time frame. And if you have a bunch of questions, maybe that didn't get answered or some, I'll try my best. I have a podcast called real life ministry.us, live free, live strong. Uh I'll use some time to answer uh a bunch of those questions. But these guys are gonna do a good time, and we're we're doing good on time. So we want to be out of here by 12 or so uh at the latest, and so we're gonna jump into it.
Islam Framed As Political System
So I'm gonna start with you, Colonel. Uh here's a question that came in is our forefathers knew how devastating, hateful Muslims are or were. And so why did or why do we let them come into America and how do we reverse this? Well, I think that you not just here in America, you see it all across Western Europe. There are four phases. Uh, and and if you go back through history, remember you had 732 AD, the Battle of Tours, where uh Charles De Hammer turned the the invaded Muslims around. 14 uh 1571, Battle of Le Panto, which was a naval battle, they defeated a mu invading Muslim fleet, and then 1683, of course, the Gates of Vienna. Uh what they have understood now is en masking themselves as a religion, which if you really study, it's not a religion, it's a theocratic political system. And if it is a religion, that's the most intolerant religion that I've ever seen. And uh, what type of religion says that you can take women as sex slaves? Uh, I don't think it's a real religion, but they understand Al Hizrah. Uh that goes back to when Muhammad left Mecca the first time and went to Medina, and therefore you saw a change in in uh in Islam and in its verses in the Quran. So by migration and then coming into Western civilization, uh population, and then agitation, uh, and then domination. And that's exactly what you see happening in Western Europe. That's one of the reasons why uh Europe is not supporting us uh with this uh conflagration with Iran, because they are afraid of the uprisings that'll happen on their streets. So I think first and foremost, you have to not see it as a religion. You have to make sure that you don't allow uh Sharia law to have any place in the United States of America. You cannot have two competing systems of jurisprudence like they have in England right now, between English common law. You cannot have these no-go zones. We're fighting it in Texas, where they're trying to build this community called uh Epic City or the Meadows, and you see that already over in Europe. And uh you have to challenge it, like we were just talking about. You just ask them the simple questions. Uh why does it say this? Why does it say that? Uh, and don't back down when they call you an Islamophobe or whatever, because what they're trying to do is to get you to self-censor. So I think that first and foremost going back to Sun Su, the art of war. You have to study and understand what Islam is. The word Islam itself means submission. Uh, the word Quran means recitation. Um, Muhammad was illiterate, he could not read or write. Uh, so that's what we have to come to do because there are a lot of Muslims, they've never read the Quran. They they don't understand what's in there. They just sit down and they just have things recited to them. So let's challenge them uh wisely, let's challenge them uh their theocracy, as we would just shared. They don't believe that Jesus was crucified. They believe that there was a stunt double Jesus that came down and you know he was on the cross, and they say that Jesus is going to come back. Yeah, they agree with us as Christians. Jesus is gonna come back, but he's gonna come back and make everybody Muslim. So I remember being in Afghanistan, and I asked a cleric, uh, an Islamic cleric, I said, how could Jesus be a prophet of something that came along 600 years after he died? So that's what you have to do. You have to understand and challenge them wisely. That's good.
Should Christians Support Israel
Okay, uh, Pastor Darrell, uh question for you is uh what can you see in scripture that would indicate that we should support Israel? And is the Israel that we're talking about, is it the same Israel today as it was back then? Well, you know, politically, like we would say, Paul at the very end of Romans 11 28 says that uh the Jews are, for our sake, Gentiles, enemies to the gospel. Uh in other words, because of their hard and their heart, the gospel went to us. And uh and it's really we're used to be causing Jews to become jealous because as they look at our lives as we've come and followed Abraham's motto by faith alone and have a relation with God through his son Jesus Christ, they view us. That's why when you share with the Jews, just declaring the gospel sometimes goes over like a pregnant pole vaulter, you know what I'm saying? It it it it's just a kind of lesson. But for a Jew, they gotta become jealous of your life. And that's why you have to build a relationship with a Jewish person so they can see the difference in your life, and that's what they want, and then they'll start listening to the gospel. But presently, as enemies of the gospel, we pray, we love our enemies, but they are enemies of the gospel. I know one question was about uh in Revelation, talks about the seven churches uh that Jesus writes a letter in church in Philadelphia. They live in a place where there was strong Jewish influence. And that's where you have the reference of the synagogue of Satan. Right. And the question, well, who's the synagogue of Satan? And as I mentioned, Paul, when he writes to the Romans, there were some troubles in that church because there were Jewish Christians and non-Jewish Christians. So they were arguing on what's a holy day, what's not a holy day, should eat that, don't be eating that, you know. And so this was going on. That's addressed, of course, in Romans 14. But at the very beginning, at the end, I should say, of Romans 2, here's Paul's basic uh statement. Um the last two verses of Romans 2. For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the spirit, not by the letter, and his praise is not from men, but from God. So this the synagogue of Satan basically were full of ethnic Jewish people, but they were embracing Judaism. That was another question. Judaism kind of uh was not alive around in the days of Jesus. In AD 70, when the temple was destroyed, it was some years later that the Jewish leadership rabbis moved up north, and that's where you got the Talmud, that's where you get uh some of the Jewish writings. That's when they changed the interpretation of Isaiah 53. My suffering servant describes the crucifixion and the death on the cross for the forgiveness of sin. Early Christians used that as an evangelistic uh portfolio. I mean, just shared it. But at around 125 or so A.D., the Jewish teachers changed it, introduced Judaism, which is really more Zionism. It's it's to preserve Judaism, Israel, the ethnic, the national people, uh had nothing anything to do as far as a relationship with God. And so what what you've got there is that the true Jew is the one who wants to honor God. And there are Jews who really do want to honor God, and they are open to to watch your life and and see the difference in your life, their life. Ever been to a Jewish funeral and a Christian funeral night and day? So um basically it boils down to this. Um, Israel, the state of Israel, remember we said they're under Mosaic uh law, which is conditional. There's no guarantee in scripture that God's going to preserve, protect, or bless the state of Israel. So if you're thinking we support Israel because God's blessing them, not true. They're under Mosaic law, a mosaic covenant that's a broken covenant, and they are not. They're anything else uh like the rest of the testament. They um they're under God's judgment at times, just like everybody else who rebels against God as individuals. So, like I said, we can disagree with the state, the government of Israel, because the leadership of the government of Israel aren't even believers in God, they're agnostics. But when it comes to individual people, we don't have to. I'm so glad I don't have to relate to a state. I'm not in government. But as an individual, I relate to a Jew and I let God, like I saw a plate says, love them all, let God sorted out at the end. And so if a person is Jewish, because they are loved by God with that Hesed love, uh, because of their father, I will respect and love them and serve them as much as I can. Yeah, that's good. I think, Pastor Darrell, I think one of the things that uh, you know, people have asked me before is like we talk about chosen people. And I think it's important for uh Christians to understand that chosen election and all that for Israel, it doesn't, we we don't mean that every single Jewish person is going to heaven. Salvation is has been and will be always by grace through faith. Well, remember before children of Israel were called the chosen people. Let's go back to Ephesians chapter 1, verse 4, where it says, you were chosen at collectos, chosen by God before the foundation of the world. That was before they were ever even become Jews. So when it comes to chosen, well, as a child of God, you were chosen. God knew either in his mysterious mind, he knew you would respond, you know, that's called superlapsarianism, or he basically decided it, made it so that you could respond. That's infralapsarianism. I know a lot of big words, watermelon, cantaloupe. These are just simply big words that simply mean you are chosen. Uh, and so don't be afraid that God's gonna kick out. He doesn't have abortions as far as that goes. When it comes to Jews is God's chosen people, yeah, as a people, but really, like he said in the last two verses of Romans 2, the people of the Jewish people of the covenant are those who want to honor God. Their hearts already been circumcised, yeah, and they're open to truth. Yeah.
Anti-Semitism And Replacement Theology
Okay, one question came in for me is why is there so much anti-Semitism in the church? What fuels like Candace Owens and other arguments? Um, I would say I think because there is, well, first of all, Candace Owens holds to a Catholic theology uh right now. And so I think Tucker Carlson does too. And the the challenge in within a Catholic theology when it comes to what's called uh eschatology, the study of the end times, is again, is that Israel has been superseded or uh has uh replaced, would which would be the the response uh that was the that would be the label that uh many Bible preachers teachers would say. And so Israel's been replaced by the church, and so there is this lack of I guess uh acknowledgement and understanding the distinctive programs in which God uses Israel and the church, but in different time frames for the same reason to salvation to the ends of the earth. And somebody asks also, what's this event about in 60 seconds? It's about understanding that God has one mission, salvation to the ends of the earth, clearly in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, salvation to the ends of the earth. And he's got multiple players. He uses Israel, he's gonna use the church, he's gonna use Israel. And so I think that there's a lot of confusion around that. I think the political pundits aren't helping, but uh also would say there's a satanic movement of demonic deception that has been in place for a very long time that is against a people. Like, why did God choose a Jewish people and call them a Jewish people, like uh Hebrew people and all that? It's his prerogative. He he chose to do what he wanted to do. But there's been an attack against the Jewish people, and and you you can be an agnostic or uh an atheist and still understand there's a historical pattern of a deep level persecution and hatred against the Jewish people. If you're a Bible guy or gal, you can see I already showed you in the pages of scripture from beginning to end a massive persecution. Why is that? Because Satan wants to disrupt God's plan and purposes. And so what is going on today is again, it's an attack on God's plan, actually, is what's going on. And so in Christianity, you have, I would call it, the woke right that is actually kind of doing some weird stuff that's uh canceling anybody, people like myself, uh being canceled or discriminated against, and saying that uh, you know, they many people within evangelicalism, they either think too little of the Jewish people, like that would be siding with the perspective of like Hitler, uh uh and like refer thinking of them as vermin, which again, as a Christian response, that's racism. Um but or they're thinking that there's this secret conspiracy that Jewish people are in control of the whole world. And so it's making too little or too much. And the confusion is again, when you discard Israel under your replacement theology, then they have no purpose and plan anymore. They're kind of discarded, and now it's all about the church, and actually Jewish people are to blame. And so I would be very careful. I think there's a lot of confusion too, because most pastors are afraid to speak up and speak out against this kind of stuff. And so somebody said, What's the essence of your book in 60 seconds? And I would say it's to think biblical before you start thinking geopolitical. Like, let the Bible frame how you see the world around you. And so Bible words matter to me. May they matter to me tremendously for your theological categories. I was an Arminius, uh, and then I studied the words of chosen, election, predestined, and all that. And it it changed my understanding. Like, okay, God before the foundations of the earth chose me in Christ that I might respond to him or however you want to say it. But like Bible words matter a lot. And Israel's mentioned 2,400 different times in the Bible from beginning to end, and it's not a spiritual entity, it's a literal land geographical location. Pastor Ryan, can I have a little go jump in there? A little clarification because of words. There was one really good question. I always say, feel free to disagree, just disagree with me with the Bible. You know, let's do with the scriptures. And somebody very insightfully uh brought up a scripture that is used for the replacement theology, that is, that the church has replaced uh Israel as far as the promises of covenants, and God basically no longer has any use for Israel in any part of his plan because God has broken his covenants to Israel. And here's a verse that was asked about, and it's it's it's in Zechariah 11. Now remember in real estate, the three most important words are what? Real estate, real estate, real estate, right? Location, location, location. In Bible study, it's context, context, context. In Zechariah chapter 11, that's where they're going to take us, it's the context of God bringing judgment against Israel. He's bringing judgment upon them. And part of his threat and bringing this judgment is chapter 11 of Zechariah. By the way, it's the same book that in chapter 12, he'll talk about that God will pour out a mercy when Jesus Christ returns, and Israel will repent and will weep and recognize Christ. Chapter 14 of the same book is where he says, and Jesus will return, his feet will be on the Mount of Olives. But chapter 11, he makes a statement. He's basically bringing judgment to the people at that time, at this historical time. And he said, I took my staff, favor, and cut it to pieces, and break, and I break my covenant, which I had made with all the people. Now, if I take that one verse out of context, it sounds like their clear Bible says God says he got so ticked at them, he's broken his covenant. Well, that would be a really good argument, except for which covenant? If he's talking about again the Mosaic covenant, which was conditional, and if you read the whole context, they are breaking their rebellious against God. So God says, since you're rebellious, the Mosaic covenant kicks right in. And Joshua chapter one and two, God warns him, You break my the Mosaic covenant, and I will bring judgment. So the covenant referred to here, I believe, consistent with the context, is the Mosaic covenant. I will break that covenant because you are not honoring by rebelling against me, not being faithful to me. It is not a reference to the Abrahamic covenant or any of the other unilateral, unconditional covenants. That's how we'd respond to that verse. Whoever, whatever reformed theologian brought that up. Yeah. That's great.
Iran And America’s Moral Posture
Okay, Colonel, here's a question for you. Hopefully it's not one of these intellectual questions. Yeah. And we had a different uh thing in the Army. We told him, kill them all and let God sort them out. Purging the troops. That's right. With all your experience military, politically, you fought in uh uh over in the Middle East, uh with your experience, how do you see America's place in God's plan right now with Israel, Iran? Uh it's not a tough question. Uh I think that if we are true to who we are, we have to stand up against evil. Yeah. Uh Iran, this this is evil. Uh these are demonic, delusional, deranged, theocratic. Totalitarians. And what we have to come to understand, this whole mutually assured destruction theory that we had with the Soviet Union, that we really weren't going to pop off nukes at each other, that goes away with Iran. You know, you have to study and understand that the Shiite belief, the Iranian clerical belief, is that they want global domination. Now, how does that global domination come about? It comes about by the return of the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, the hidden Imam. And how does that come about? With a catastrophic event. And that catastrophic event would be by them popping off a nuke against us being the non non-Muslims. Remember, there are two worlds in Islam. There's Dar al-Islam, which is the Islamic world, and there's Dar al-Harb, which is the world at war. So if you're not of their belief, then you're they're at war with you. And so you have three choices. And this goes back to the letter that Muhammad first sent to Heraclius, who was the Byzantine emperor at the time. You can convert, you subjugate yourself and live as a demi and pay us a jizya tax, or we will kill you. So I think that the United States of America has to be the nation because we're in that position to stand up and say, no, we're not going to surrender Western civilization, but most importantly, as I said, we're not going to surrender our Judeo-Christian faith heritage. And we've got to stand for that. And so, you know, what you see happening in the Middle East, I mean, the UAE just said we're out of OPEC. There are people that are starting to realize that we don't want to go down this path of radicalism, fundamentalism, and jihadism. But if you don't stand up for what you believe in, as we were talking about, you know, you can call them reformed Muslims or what have you, they're going to continue to be silent. There are many Muslims that have come here to the United States of America. They don't want that. They want our freedoms and liberties. But they're going to be silent until they see us stand up and say something. As a matter of fact, I think you got a guy here in Arizona that's running for political office by the name of Zudi Jasser. You should have him come in and speak here. So we have to take the lead role. Nobody else in the world can do it. And real and truthfully, what we are fighting against is a 21st century axis of evil. This is China, this is Russia, this is Iran, this is North Korea, Islamic jihadism, and transnational narco-criminal terrorist organizations that we call the cartels. And the only c country that has the power to peel the onion bag, Venezuela, Iran, get to China, get to Russia, is the United States of America. So what Yeah, really good. Yeah. What do you think? Like, what it what kind of relationship would you like to see between America and Israel, you know, from a military standpoint and or a Christian standpoint? Trevor Burrus, Jr. Well, you know, first and foremost, you know, I I do have some friends over there, and and I told them, y'all got to stop this crap with Jewish uh soldiers destroying Christian uh, you know, monuments in in Lebanon. And then I don't know if you just saw the Jewish uh man who pushed down a Catholic nun. Uh they gotta stop that. Uh Israel doesn't need us militarily. I mean, they they're willing to fight. Now, they need a lot of the resources by way of the parts and also the missiles and and the systems that we provide. But, you know, their iron dome system is very good, and of course, we work with them on that. But I think that as as you articulated, you know, they're the canary in the coal mine. And if we allow Israel to fail, then what reflection that is does that have on us as a country that was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and values? That a country that we say are in a liberal rights come from the Judeo-Christian faith heritage God. Okay, so I I think that's that's the important thing. And so we have to be very attuned to this secular humanist movement here in the United States of America because um what they're really trying to do, you're talking about replacement theory, they're trying to replace God with the big G and put in man, government, with the little G. And if you read the Declaration, remember government exists by the consent of the governed, uh and and it's gonna be unrighteous. So I think it's very important that the United States of America, first and foremost, recommit itself to this fundamental Judeo-Christian faith heritage values, and we become that shining city once again on the hill that uh, you know, we cast out the darkness. That that's the real fight. Could I add something to that? On a personal basis where most of us live. Um Holly and I moved in three years ago to uh Westminster. Average age at Westminster retirement communities, 87. Uh at 77, we're the puppies. But there is a rabbi there, and there's a segment of our Jewish folks. And I found it very, very interesting is that the rabbi was an atheist. Uh but he was the rabbi highly respected because he was a Zionist, as I mentioned, Zionism, which is to prolong and protect the ethnic, Jewish ethnic as a nation, as people. But what I found very, very interesting is that not all Jewish people believe that. There are Jewish people who really believe uh in God, Jehovah, Yahweh. But then there is this that's then you got a Jewish people that, just like in Christianity, liberalism and so forth. What's very interesting I find when I interact with Jewish people individually is I try to get off the politics real fast and I get on to, and like I said, it's relationship with them. But what's interesting is I try to first help them become better Jews, genuine Jews who believe and want to honor God. If it's like they're way over here, you put them back into and they'll listen to I want to help you become better Jewish. I had one gal had to explain what Hanukkah was because she grew up, she's 88. Never knew how to explain to her what Hanukkah was. And Hanukkah is a wonderful story of God's intervention. And so sometimes let's individually uh let's think in terms, like I said, a mission field that let's help our Jewish friends first become better, better Jews. They're they'll listen to that. Well, then if they become better Jews, guess what? Isaiah 53 and all of that kicks in, and that's the way you bring them to their Messiah. That's good. Yeah, that's a great point. Um when I was elected to Congress down in South Florida, that's one of the largest Jewish communities uh in the country outside of New York. And uh I I'd have to go into synagogues. And it would astonish them that I was able to articulate more about their Jewish faith and their history than than they knew themselves because, you know, they were just Jewish in name. Yeah. They had no connection to Israel. They had no their whole thing was, you know, my religion is liberalism and and not classical liberalism, but postmodern liberalism. And and so I think that we're in a great position to really get people to understand and get Jewish people to reconnect and recommit themselves to a relationship with God. That's that's the important thing that that we can do. Quick, just a last quick place. So I mentioned my friend, my rabbi friend, the other friend, years ago. He invited me to speak at the synagogue. And it was on a Friday night, and the synagogue was packed. Uh uh, and I thought, well, so I was doing a study in Ecclesiastes. I thought they ought not to have a problem with that. So I went and preached on that, and I tell you, they were just solid. Afterwards, they had a big old line. I mean, almost all of them were in line, and my wife and I were sitting here and are going by, and about 75% of them said, Thank you so much, but we just love coming to Scotch the Bible for your Christmas services. I went not good Friday. Okay. So you'd be surprised uh relationally, how like Jesus said, they're gonna know us by our love for one another. Yeah, they're gonna desire that love. God, you know, Jesus gave them the right in John 13, 34 and 35, is the world can judge whether or not you're a hypocrite, uh uh, you're a fraud by the way you treat each other. Yeah, and then John 17, he goes even further. They can tell whether Jesus came from the Father based on the way we treat each other. That's right. And so whether you find yourself either side on this issue, remember, uh Jesus gave the world the right to judge us and judge him on the way we treat each other. That's why I hope it's always in love. Yeah, that's good. Okay, here's a question for both of you guys. Uh given clear scriptural language that those who bless Israel will be blessed, but let's answer the question, who is Israel? Should Christians how how should Christians react when we see corruption and the government? And then the the other one, is there a difference between the political government of Israel and the Israel of the Bible? So there was a lot there, but let me just let's do let's do a couple quick sh sh fast sh uh quick fires. So um, Del Husei, how would you say like the scriptural language thing, bless Israel, will be blessed. Who is Israel? Uh Israel is as the Apostle Paul put it at the last two verses of Romans chapter two, it is the one who truly has a heart's desire to honor God. And I've led about seven, eight tours of Israel over the years, and I remember it was always a big talk, the tour guide who is always Jewish. But is he a Christian? Because he sure talks like he's a Christian. But they cannot even admit they are if they are, because the Jewish government would fire them. And so when it comes to the Jewish government, I uh I
Relationships That Open Gospel Doors
feel that anything we can do as a company, my vote, my taxes, to help the preservation of the Jews of a state, I I I'm supportive, but I always go to the individual. To me, it's all about like like I like the little plate says, you know, love them all, Jesus says he'll sort it out later. Yep. Is there a difference between the political government of Israel and the Israel of the Bible? I think I think you kind of touched on that. And and and I think, yes. I mean, you know, you have the modern-day state of Israel, which was, you know, formulated in 1948, that we recognize, but what we're talking about is an Israel that existed, you know, millennia upon millennia ago. And so that's what we're talking about, God's chosen people then. You know, you don't have to agree with the government. And you know, when you look at some things about Israel and this Israeli government, I mean, uh the kibbutz system is very socialist. You know, and and so I don't agree with with socialism. Uh so I can have that disagreement. And and I sat there in the uh in front of uh Prime Minister Netanyahu in his cabinet room as uh congressional delegation visiting them. And so it's very easy to talk about things that you don't agree with. But as a Christian, I can also, as you said, I want to talk to you about your relationship with God. I want to make sure that even Christians there are protected. Just the same as Christians should be protected all over the Middle East, but they should be protected also there in uh in Israel. Now I want to make sure that we don't see some of these violations thereof. And and so we have to have that separate understanding. Look, they can look at our government and say, we suck. Okay? You want to corruption and everything like that? I mean, it is here as well. So I think the Bible talks about don't you know, don't go talking about the speck in your brother's eye when you got a log in your own. So uh we need to be very careful about how we go out and demonize other governments until we get our acts straight. Yeah, that's good. What do you think as far as the the the military advantage of us being in an allied relationship with Israel? They've always been there for us. Yeah. You know, and and I think As as it relates to the Islamic invasion and Well, just Middle East, you know, paral policy and national security. They they've they've always been there with us. And and I think that that's something. Look, soldiers get along, uh okay, and and sailors, airman, marines, what have you. That that that's not the issue. You can have issues with governments. But do I want to have an Israeli soldier side by side with you? Absolutely, I would. But I will also tell you that when I was in Afghanistan, uh, the UAE special forces guys, those were some killers. Uh there's those, you know, and I'm glad to see that they're stepping up. So I want to be, you know, side by side with anybody that we can share principles and values, and we understand who our enemy is. Uh because uh again, Israel, if you allow it to go away, and and you brought up a great point, there's no such thing as Palestinian. I mean, this was all about what what uh Hadrian uh decreed. And, you know, this is Yasser Arafat who leveraged this by saying, I'm gonna associate a region with a people all for one reason. What was that? The extermination of the Jewish people. Yeah. I mean, his uncle, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, was Pizos with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim Brotherhood founded in 1928 agreed with Nazism. So that's what I will stand against, and that's what I need to make sure that we're educated enough to be able to stand against. Again, if you allow Israel to be overtaken by militant Islamic jihadists, then you're next. You're next. Because you've just shown that part of your basic foundation you didn't care about. And again, don't worry about their government. Worry about the relationship of the people to Yahweh, to God, and help to restore that. And I think that you will continue to see us being blessed. Yeah. Amen. Amen. We're about to get the hook. He's coming. Yeah, I know. He's coming. Last time. He can't sneak up behind me. Colonel still got some skills. Boom, boom. Uh Del Who say, so uh closing, closing exhortation. You know, what should be the prayer for the American Christian? What should be the posture of the heart? For God so loved the world, gave his only begotten son, that who soever believeth in him shall not perish. Have everlasting life. Like I said, love them all, let God sort it out. That's it. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you very much.
Closing Prayer And Holy Land Tour
All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed that session. That was really, really good stuff. It's been an awesome journey being together. Um, you can find out more information at real life ministry.us. And some people have written in and said, are you going to do this event in the future? And the question is, to be determined. So I know that we'll be putting on a couple, you know, small events uh uh in a given year, maybe one or two hosted over at North Valley. Maybe we'll go somewhere else. Um, I'm continuing to write books. Uh uh, so we'll see. So we'll see. Um really loved doing the project, and and the hope and intent was to really encourage believers uh to to live free, live strong, understand what the Bible has to say about these geopolitical issues. And so remember to share with a friend to get those resources out. And before I part, I do want to make mention again, uh our Israel trip, just as an update, is filling up. And so we still have a few spots left. I want to encourage you to sign up if you haven't already. And uh, you can visit us over at reallifeministry.us, scroll to the bottom of the page, and there you can reserve your spot for the Holy Land Tour. Holy Land Tour is a one-in-a-lifetime kind of experience. Uh, we have some folks that are going, and they the husband got to go, but the wife didn't go, or the wife got to go, but the husband didn't go. And so it's the kind of trip you go back, and it's life-changing. It's an opportunity of a lifetime. It is a pilgrimage, it is a journey. It is the fifth gospel: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and then the Holy Land, experiencing all the places and uh and experiences where Jesus did his miracles uh from Bethlehem to Jerusalem to the Sea of Galilee to the Dead Sea, all of it is an unbelievable opportunity for you to go and see those scriptures come to life. So you can go to reallife ministry.us, you can scroll down to the bottom of the page, you can actually click the itinerary. Uh Signature Tours is the group that we were working with. They are the best. Uh, they've been there uh decades doing trips. They do trips all around the world. If they say it's safe to go, it's safe to go. If they say it's not safe to go, then you get your money back. So put a deposit down if you haven't already and and just secure your spot 100% refundable. If something, if we don't go and it's not safe, then you get your money back. So um tell a friend, a family member, it's open to anybody and everybody that uh just wants to go and experience the Holy Land. It would be a great opportunity for you to learn more uh about the life and the work and the ministry of Jesus. It'll deepen your faith. It'll it's a great apologetic to see the sites and the locations. I'll be teaching on the sites as well, some prophetic implications for the future. So we tend to go to these trips and see what happened in the past, but I will also share as the sites uh avail themselves to prophetic uh little uh uh scripture about like what God's gonna do in the future. So uh exciting times, real life ministry.us and reserve your spot today. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Thank you for listening to Real Life Ministry. If you found any of what you heard today helpful, please share it with others who may benefit. And if you would like to support the content that we put out, please consider making a donation at reallifeministry.us. While you're there, check out some of our episodes. And together, let's continue to educate and encourage Christians to live free and live strong.