Episode 11: Type A, Type B, or Somewhere in the Alphabet Soup?

Have you ever had someone completely shatter how you see yourself? When Rachael's partner casually mentioned she might be Type B rather than the Type A personality she'd identified with for 32 years, it sparked a journey of self-discovery that forms the heart of this episode. 

We dive deep into the fascinating world of personality types, exploring the differences between Type A (competitive, urgent, ambitious) and Type B (relaxed, patient, balanced) personalities. 

The exploration doesn't stop there. We share our results from the 16 Personalities test (based on Myers-Briggs), revealing how our ENTJ "Commander," ENFJ "Protagonist," and ENFP "Campaigner" personalities influence everything from our career choices to how we handle stress. What's striking is our shared "EN" foundation despite our different approaches to life—perhaps explaining why we connect so well as friends and co-hosts.

Whether you've taken dozens of personality tests or are skeptical about their value, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on how understanding your natural tendencies can provide a framework for personal growth. Take the tests along with us (links in our blog that will drop on May 15!) and join the conversation by sharing your personality type!

Transcript

Rachael 0:34

Hey everyone, welcome to Girl Gang Podcast. My name's Rachael,

Sarah 0:36

I'm Sarah

Brandi 0:37

and I'm Brandi, and we are your hosts for this episode.

Rachael 0:40

So this week we are talking about personality types and tests. The reason that we bring up this subject is for my entire existence of 32 years, I've thought that I was a type A personality. And my partner and I were laying in bed a few weeks ago and he straight up told me I was a type B and I feel like I was shook,

Sarah 1:00

shooketh.

Rachael 1:02

I was shooketh, it like I felt like I was having a little crisis because I was so hell-bent on the fact that I am type A, have always been type A, and how dare he accuse me of being a type B personality?

Rachael 1:14

So I was doing some research obviously googling, and for those of you who may not know the differences between type A and type B, I'm very much reading off of Google's AI overview right now. But type A personalities tend to be like very competitive, ambitious, driven, multitasking, always have like the sense of urgency. Their work style is like high work ethic, always focusing on success. Challenges that they might face are like higher stress levels. They burn out quickly, interpersonal difficulties just because they have this strong drive and competitiveness, whereas a type B personality is. You tend to be more relaxed, easygoing, flexible, patient, not as focused on time constraints, appreciate more of a balanced approach to work and life balance, and then we can struggle with deadlines and things like that. So after I did some research.

Rachael 2:17

I feel like maybe in a past life I was much more type A, but I could definitely see where he was coming from, in the sense that I'm type B because I really care about work-life balance. When the clock hits, you know 5 o'clock, I'm done, I'm not thinking about work anymore and I am pretty easygoing and pretty patient.

Rachael 2:36

Honestly,

Brandi 2:36

yeah, I was going to say. A lot of those described you and I think you know a lot. I feel like there's like a negative connotation to type B people.

Sarah 2:45

Oh yeah

Brandi 2:46

To. You know the society has kind of made it like. You know you don't work hard and blah, blah blah. So I feel like a lot of people don't realize that there's a lot of positives to type B's

Sarah 2:56

and it's not like one is better than the other.

Sarah 2:58

They're just different.

Brandi 2:59

Yeah, absolutely

Sarah 3:00

different. It's so funny too, because I feel like I agree, I before would have thought you as more type A, but reading this and then actually like thinking about it for a little bit, I'm like I think you do have some type B qualities in the best way. Like you are very, you understand your work-life balance. You want to relax. You love that time with people.

Brandi 3:18

You are all about finding

Sarah 3:19

You are always, always on the go you know like in a good way.

Brandi 3:23

You like the life balance.

Sarah 3:24

Yes,

Brandi 3:24

you also just like chill out and like.

Sarah 3:28

Yeah, although you are so organized still and like you're on top of your shit all the time.

Rachael 3:34

Well, and I feel like growing up and like in college and early in my career, I was so wired all the time like thinking I had to hit like a certain job title, a certain salary, you know being married to a military person, like all of these things that, like I, was in this box of like type A, type A, type A. So then when I, you know, changed up my life a few years ago, I'm like holy shit, freedom.

Rachael 4:03

Like we can do whatever now.

Rachael 4:04

And now I'm just like smooth sailing and I feel like what I wanted out of a job, a career change, was work-life balance, and I feel like I have been able to accomplish that the past few years, which is really nice. So, in case anybody was wondering, my type A versus type B personality quiz came back as mostly type B. It said you know, I have a fair amount of type A in me as well, which was cool, but I tend to be relaxed, creative and even-tempered. It is interesting, though it talked about my job and it was saying, since I have some type B personalities, I might not be like trying to enhance my career, which I thought was super interesting.

Rachael 4:46

And I think that the job that I have now I'm not actually looking to maybe level up in my management space, like I don't necessarily want to go up a level and become more of a management supervisor, but I am taking like my project management certification and everything like that right now, like,

Brandi 5:05

like your

Rachael 5:05

yeah well, I'm doing the Google one. I don't know if it's like technically a pmp at the end, but I'm doing like the official google certification, which is pretty cool. So I do feel like I'm doing things to like enhance my skills in my career and things of that nature. But I thought that was interesting feedback. Yeah, what about you all?

Brandi 5:24

I mean, let's be honest, we all know I'm a type A.

Rachael 5:27

Oh, yeah, okay.

Brandi 5:29

It said mostly type A, which I agree with, and I think it's really. I don't think there's many people out there I'm sure there are that are solely type A or type B.

Brandi 5:42

like I feel like we're all on a spectrum of it, but obviously mostly type a. But kind of trailing off some of the things you've said and where I kind of fall into some of the type b is with my new job, strictly work-life balance. You know, as soon as I'm done with my work, you know I am, you know, packing up and all that. I'm also not looking to like in my current job. Maybe it's because we work for French companies.

Brandi 6:08

I don't know what it is.

Rachael 6:08

We love those French companies

Brandi 6:10

like I have no desire to move. I mean, okay, I take that back. If the position opened, I would probably apply for it.

Rachael 6:18

Yeah

Brandi 6:18

because I don't mind leading people, but I'm not not like actively, like

Rachael 6:22

yeah

Brandi 6:22

I need this, I need this, I need this, which I have been in previous jobs, and part of me is questioning whether that's actually a personality trait or that's just a product of how our generation was raised.

Sarah 6:35

True

Brandi 6:36

You know, I really feel like millennials as a whole have really been pushed into this box of you know, these are how our grandparents and parents lived their lives. These are the milestones they hit at these ages, and I read something the other day on social media and I was like you can, you can strive for that if you want, but we don't live in the same world.

Sarah 6:59

Right, it's not the same.

Brandi 7:00

They did Like you don't make, your money doesn't go as far, inflation's through the roof, the housing market's through the roof, like all of this stuff. Like we just physically cannot support buying a house or having kids by. You know early 20s Like a lot. Or you know,

Sarah 7:20

yeah

Brandi 7:20

you know all these things that they accomplished and I was looking back and I'm like how the hell did they do this

Sarah 7:26

right

Brandi 7:26

So I think some of that's more of how we were raised.

Rachael 7:31

Um, I do also feel like companies used to take care of their people more and it was very much like I'm in it for life and I can progress within it. But I think companies are really cutthroat nowadays and they'll get rid of those executives pretty.

Sarah 7:44

Oh, I kind of think a little bit of the opposite,

Rachael 7:47

really

Sarah 7:47

Yeah, I think that

Brandi 7:48

what was the last big company you worked for?

Sarah 7:51

I mean, I'm not gonna say the company, but

Brandi 7:52

okay

Sarah 7:54

I've worked. I've worked for several large corporations and several smaller corporations too, both in nonprofit and in profit, I think, at least from my experience. I think there was a time in previous generations where, like you said, businesses and employees were meant to pick a job, stay there, get your pension, retire and be done with it. You're going to stay there for 30 years, I think now, because our generation, the millennials, are getting more into higher up spots, it's not, I think the expectation of needing to stay at a company long term like that to show your loyalty is not needed as much. I think now there are companies that are you only stayed at the previous company for three years. I don't think they look down upon that as they would have in years past.

Brandi 8:42

Well, yeah, because Gen Zs and millennials hop - that's how you make more money.

Sarah 8:46

Well, making more money, but also it's just. I feel like it's more feasible, like I, as I'm getting older, I cannot see myself working or doing the same exact thing for 30 years.

Rachael 9:01

Yeah

Sarah 9:01

I just can't. Like I need a variety, I want to switch it up.

Sarah 9:03

Uh, you know, throughout the life like I don't want to just do one thing, but

Brandi 9:07

that's your type b,

Sarah 9:08

correct

Brandi 9:09

talking because

Sarah 9:10

that's not a possibility, like there are jobs where you learn this, that's your career, that's what you are, that's why we have, you know, doctors and lawyers and all that. Those kinds of things. I'm not one of those career girlies.

Sarah 9:21

I like to mix it up and try new things, and if something strikes my interest, I want to try it. But I don't think that we, like you said, we lived in that box where you had to find a job stick with it and it was bad if you went jumping around. But I think that's kind of changing now. I think it's going to continue to change and

Brandi 9:41

I think it's both parties.

Brandi 9:42

So I think it's the companies and the employees. But yeah, so personalities, I think definitely tie, tie into our careers what we've chosen as professions, or even you know how we see our careers because, like I, you know mostly type a, haven't I? I stayed at a company for almost 10 years and I don't plan I mean I plan on as of right now. Granted, I've only been there a year now, but with my current company I have full intentions of retiring there.

Rachael 10:13

Really

Brandi 10:14

yeah,

Rachael 10:14

that's awesome

Brandi 10:16

which I also thought that about one of my previous the job I was at for 10 years too. But they're huge international corporation like huge, like about numbers and stuff.

Brandi 10:27

It was really hard to move up and things like that. So I was always pushing myself like, oh, I need to get. You know, I got two master's degrees, I did, like all these certifications and trainings, like I have to move up in management to make money and all this stuff. And now you know I'm I'm actually able to to do that work-life balance stuff, and that, I think, allows that that little part of type b in me um, or maybe it's not that and maybe it's the type a in me isn't necessarily career oriented, like it's not geared towards that. Now it's more of I'm going to be type A about my life,

Sarah 11:02

like your own goals, yeah

Brandi 11:04

my personal goals, and that's what I'm going to strive for, like I'm going to, you know, hit that and I think maybe that's easier.

Rachael 11:11

I mean, I think you can go through phases, like once you get to a certain point in your career, then you can kind of focus more on your personal life, or if you feel like your personal life is okay, then you can kind of focus more on your career. But I think as a type b, mostly personality, my job probably works really well for me because I like, even though I'm busy all day, every day in a lot of meetings, all of my meetings are different and I'm able to use creativity and connect with people on a daily basis, and I think that's what's rewarding for me is like no day, no, no day is the same every single day, which is nice.

Brandi 11:47

I mean, that helps, I think, just enjoying your job too,

Rachael 11:50

oh yeah

Sarah 11:51

absolutely

Rachael 11:51

absolutely

Sarah 11:52

absolutely.

Sarah 11:53

I struggled with my results a little bit, but it also made a lot of sense. Mine says I am right down the middle. Okay, type A and type B.

Brandi 12:04

I'll be honest with you. I was surprised by a little bit there.

Sarah 12:07

I know, and it says this is so funny too.

Rachael 12:13

I'm surprised by it because, like, as I was talking to my partner about and he was like no, you're type B, he was saying Brandi is on the left, like she's type A, you're kind of in the middle, and Kozy is on the right, more type B. So the fact that you got in the middle and I got mostly type b I'm just like this is fascinating.

Rachael 12:34

So tell us more

Sarah 12:36

truly, I feel like this actually causes a lot of my own anxiety, being stuck in the middle of type a and type b, because I am always in an argument with myself on how I need to do things. I know that I want to be organized and have my list and have my to-do list and there are days where I am on top of that shit. The follow-through is a little rough and that's where the type b comes in.

Brandi 13:00

Yeah

Sarah 13:01

I want to get my shit done, but something comes up and I want to have fun or I want to relax. I'm gonna go do that. It just is because the type b in me wants to just have fun and enjoy life and just relax

Brandi 13:14

that work-lif e balance

Sarah 13:16

Right which I've struggled with my entire life, and I don't blame truly any of the companies that I worked for.

Sarah 13:23

I truly blame myself in that, because I never knew how to give myself like the life or work-life balance I was just born and bred to work. Like, that has just been my entire life. I've I've very career focused and oriented up until like maybe five years ago when I'm like I'm sad, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm so stressed out, um, and this is why it makes sense, because I truly think it's my type a parts of my personality and my type b parts of my personality just can't connect, they can't get on the same page. And it's because I always used to tell every therapist I've had that I kind of have like a little angel and devil on my shoulders, like one's telling me the right thing or the more logical thing or whatever it may be.

Sarah 14:06

I have plenty of terms and categories that I call the devil and angel on my shoulders, um, and one could just be more of the feeling and the emotional aspects of it. So it made all the sense in the world to me too, because, although I'm not very organized, I have my chaotic, organized mess where I know where everything is, but it doesn't look organized to anybody else.

Rachael 14:27

Yeah,

Sarah 14:28

but also to the point where I am type B but I am not a relaxer. I have to and truly this has been a really big struggle. Even the last like two years of forcing myself to relax, not thinking that it's just lazy when my body just needs to rest or my mind just needs to rest,

Rachael 14:47

I could see that

Sarah 14:48

I never knew how to give myself that.

Sarah 14:51

I never knew that was a thing

Rachael 14:53

there would be weeks, like when I lived on my own. I did not turn on my tv for weeks because I was always going, going, going or maybe I was reading a self-help book or something like that. And now, living with my partner, the fact that, like on a Saturday and Sunday, we're just lounging on the couch, I'm like at first I had anxiety from it.

Rachael 15:12

I was like what are we doing? Why are we

Rachael 15:15

getting anything done, like what is this? And he's just like look, I fucking work 15 hours a day, like I'm not gonna use brain capacity on the weekends.

Rachael 15:25

We're gonna chill and we're gonna enjoy it and like it's okay because all that shit can wait

Brandi 15:31

that's your anxiety, speaking

Sarah 15:33

my partner's the same way there

Brandi 15:34

because

Rachael 15:35

of not getting stuff done?

Brandi 15:37

no of not being able to relax because your mind is constantly like what should I be doing instead?

Sarah 15:42

that's funny too, because I recently am making it more of a conscious effort to be in silence, because if I'm home alone I will always have a tv on a podcast, music. My brain is never silent and neither is my environment, and I've really noticed that too, and I think that's kind of why I'm. I'm type b, because I want to have that balance in the things that I'm doing but, I'm not type a enough to like turn this off, get your shit done. Like I'm always in that little in between area,

Brandi 16:16

yeah

Brandi 16:17

um I was just curious because I do have anxiety. But I was mostly a A I was like okay, I know I have some type b characteristics around. Like I trust me, when I get organized it brings so much like serotonin in my life. I know that I'm type a A feels

Sarah 16:36

it feels so good

Brandi 16:37

anxiety private, like I just feel overwhelmed and don't do it and then like that. So I looked into like how that impacts and type a people are more likely to have anxiety and like a shit ton more stress than type b.

Rachael 16:51

Yeah, that makes sense,

Sarah 16:52

which is why I know I'm not fully type b, because then that makes no freaking sense, because I am all stress so,

Brandi 16:58

um, so that actually you know you're, you're way more likely to have anxiety if you're, you're, type a

Sarah 17:04

that's funny too, because, even though I feel the same way, I have all the serotonin when I organize something, but it's never completely done like, and I can never get it to a point or organize it enough where it's like cool, that's it.

Sarah 17:21

It is organized cool, let's move on no,

Rachael 17:24

you never finish it

Sarah 17:25

it's not even a finish thing too.

Sarah 17:27

I mean, it's most times it's not a finish thing, but it's just like it's never ready, it's just never good enough, it's never complete. I'm always needing, I need extra bins to go in this spot, I need to move this over here, but that's like a stopping area, like it's just never complete, but it's in those situations. It's not that I can't follow through, it's. It's just that it's never good enough, it's never up to meeting my own expectations or whoever's expectations that I'm thinking of in my brain, because,

Brandi 17:56

yeah

Sarah 17:56

I'm over it.

Brandi 17:57

That was gonna be my statement. I'm like are you trying? You know, we talked about like those clear bins when we did the cleaning episode and everything and like just looking at social media and those expectations and trying to live up to right, even though we all know they're not real it just your, your brain just doesn't, can't

ADHD Medication & Personality Types

Rachael 18:14

that's why you just don't look at it like I don't use tiktok and I'm okay with that.

Brandi 18:19

Honestly, I've been

Rachael 18:21

tiktok is a waste of time in my personal opinion.

Sarah 18:22

Oh, it's a.

Rachael 18:23

That's just me,

Sarah 18:23

I spend too much time on it.

Brandi 18:25

That's that. You know how your partner was like. I don't want to do any brain capacity. That's me with tiktok, okay, but mine's all like cute animal right now to the point where I like cry every night because there's a sad one on there. Oh my god, stop it anyway

Rachael 18:46

um, okay.

Rachael 18:47

So thought here I'm on like two and a half weeks of taking ADHD medication

Brandi 18:53

and how's that going?

Rachael 18:55

It's been great. Like so I'm taking Strattera and when I had talked to my doctor. So I saw my doctor and a few years ago I had been diagnosed with anxiety and so and I talked about this in a previous episode like I was on Zoloft for a while, I was on Celexa for a while, really fucked me up like depressed, you know, couldn't do much.

Rachael 19:17

But the issue that I've been having more recently is my brain is just always going, but it's never clear thoughts, it's just kind of forever buzzing, like I don't even know how to describe it, but I get very overwhelmed with a lot going on, can't really focus, and it impacts my ability to like be an active listener and have good communication skills. And so all this comes down to the fact that my counselor thought maybe I have like some undiagnosed ADD or ADHD. So I saw my doctor and she was like, like you do, you're showing some ADHD tendencies, but since you have an underlying anxiety condition, like it could just be the anxiety,

Sarah 20:00

because those are also misdiagnosed in women a whole lot

Rachael 20:02

right and yeah, and even our my counselor was saying like there's this generation of women who, like, grew up with uh, without getting diagnosed, because we react so much different than boys when it comes to ADD

Sarah 20:17

and we can mask it so much better.

Rachael 20:19

Yeah, and so boys, it's like very obvious. It's like wow, you're fucking insane, like we need to get you on something, whereas women

Brandi 20:27

now like more hyperactive

Rachael 20:28

yeah just like,

Sarah 20:29

like externally versus I think women are like hyperactive more internally, so it's

Rachael 20:33

exactly so they didn't so they didn't really recognize this and so I can.

Rachael 20:37

I feel like I can like go all the way back to like feeling this way and so. But I told her I was like, look, I don't really want to be on a stimulant, like I don't want to be on an Adderall kind of thing. Like can we, can we start with a non-stimulant? And so she started me on Strattera. So probably wasn't the best idea. Like I started on the day of my grandpa's visitation, so my anxiety was already high. So the first week was like a little bit higher anxiety. She said that I might have some higher anxiety but to be honest, I've been like super locked in. I've gotten so much done,

Brandi 21:11

nice

Rachael 21:11

I'm like like I don't even yawn until like 11 pm or midnight which that that's gonna get so like I gotta get used to that a little bit.

Rachael 21:19

I don't even yawn um, but truly like, because even I take like my b vitamins and I feel like I don't even have to take my b vitamins because like I'm wired.

Sarah 21:28

How is relaxing at the end of the day then?

Rachael 21:31

you know it's not bad. I just feel like I'm doing like the things that I wouldn't normally do, like work on the podcast. You know, sometimes I would be like, oh, I feel like I don't have the energy, or like I don't have the energy to read this book, or, um, like drawing, I drew last night, like I was like sketching, yeah, and so it's like things that I want to do, but at the end of the day felt like I never really had the energy to do. But because I have the Strattera now I've had that energy and I'm like this is an interesting concept like

Sarah 22:08

we should do.

Rachael 22:08

Where could I be in life?

Sarah 22:10

we should do another episode on that, because I feel like I have a lot more to relate to you on. On, like ADHD medications,

Rachael 22:15

yeah for sure,

Sarah 22:17

because, yeah, we can go on a whole tangent on that. Yeah.

Rachael 22:19

But I do feel like it kind of interweaves with the personality piece of it, because I'm not saying that medication is like the way to go, because I was hesitant for sure, but I do think it helps, like my type B tendencies, like hone in and then I can actually like make progression on things that I like deep down I want to do, but that anxiety or like that type B was kind of preventing me to do which is nice.

Sarah 22:44

See and I feel like that's kind of along the same lines too I don't do what I did. Take your medication if you're prescribed your medication. Don't stop taking them, because just don't. That's not cool. No, but if you're like me and you are in the middle of type A and type B and you're on ADHD medication, it was definitely forcing a lot more of my type A traits and not allowing a lot more of my type B traits to come in

Rachael 23:12

you felt stifled?

Sarah 23:13

There were times where I just felt like I was always on, I was always going,

Rachael 23:18

yeah,

Breaking Down 16 Personalities (Myers-Briggs) Results

Sarah 23:18

and and the relaxing was still difficult, but I was able to do like what you said. I had felt like I had more time to do things, more motivation to do things, but so long on that I'm like I'm absolutely exhausted, drained, I'm not sleeping well, like this is not good. Um. So it's definitely a balance, but this is just. It all makes so much sense now

Brandi 23:42

also stifled was

Rachael 23:45

I'm just waiting for Brandi to call me out

Rachael 23:47

I'm saying he's the wrong word.

Brandi 23:48

That's why I was quiet.

Brandi 23:49

I'm like she did it.

Rachael 23:52

Thanks, Brandi, appreciate you. Okay. So then, outside of type A, B personalities, then we all just got a little curious and we were like, okay, let's do some other personality tests and see what we did. So there is a personality test called 16 personalities, which some of you may know as Myers-Briggs, and so this breaks your personality down into like 16 different types of personalities. But it's all based on a combination of letters, and so I'm going to give you some information on the combination of letters. So the first combination could be an E or an I, which stands for extrovert or introvert. The second letter breakdown is S and N, so there's sensing and intuition. The third set of letters is a T and an F, so you're thinking or you're feeling. And then the fourth set of letters is you're judging or you're perceiving, and so basically, you answer a shit ton of questions and at the end it spits out.

Rachael 24:51

It spits out like a four-letter code, yeah it's your personality code and you kind of figure out what that means for you and why you react the way that you react to certain things. So I'm curious. We have not shared our results with each other yet. So what are you both, Brandi - Why don't you go first? Because she's laughing and she's just like oh, I knew that, like I knew I was gonna get that

Brandi - ENTJ - The Commander

Brandi 25:18

okay, so I so also the 16 personalities where it kind of differs between um the regular,

Rachael 25:27

like the enneagram or?

Brandi 25:29

no, no, the Myers-Briggs

Rachael 25:31

okay, yeah, yeah, okay

Brandi 25:32

the thing with 16 personalities is, it's a company that took that, but they also added a fifth letter.

Sarah 25:38

I was wondering because I have not had the dash fifth letter before.

Brandi 25:43

It's either an A or a T, and it's either assertive or turbulent.

Sarah 25:47

Oh, ah, that's a new one.

Brandi 25:49

Yes, so did you guys get a fifth letter when you did it?

Sarah 25:53

Yes,

Rachael 25:53

I don't think I got a fifth letter.

Rachael 25:54

What did I get?

Rachael 25:55

I don't know. Okay, you go, I'll see if I got a fifth letter.

Brandi 25:58

Okay.

Brandi 26:02

So I am an ENTJ,

Rachael 26:03

entj, so that's extroverted. Hold on. I got to go back to my

Brandi 26:09

Intuitive,

Rachael 26:10

intuitive

Brandi 26:12

Thinking

Rachael 26:12

and judging,

Brandi 26:12

and then I also got the A for assertive.

Brandi 26:15

So basically that comes down to I'm the Commander is like the common term for my results. So the quote it gave me on my results was from Steve Jobs and it says "your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.

Sarah 26:32

Love it.

Rachael 26:33

That sounds very you.

Sarah 26:34

Oh, I don't see a quote

Brandi 26:36

You are a natural born leader with an unparalleled drive to turn your visions into reality. Your strategic mind excels at seeing the big picture, identifying long term goals and devising efficient plans to achieve them. You possess a rare combination of confidence, charisma and decisiveness that draws others to you and inspires them to follow your lead.

Rachael 26:56

Wow, that was spot on for you,

Brandi 26:58

I know, but yeah, it's. I've been an ENTJ like my entire life like it hasn't changed.

Brandi 27:07

Um, this is the first result where I got that fifth letter. Uh, so that was kind of interesting. Um to to to get that result and basically, if you're assertive, it means you're likely self-assured, even-tempered and resistant to stress, refusing to worry too much, um, so I would say the self-assured probably is what gets me through the assertive um, and I've, I think, during certain parts of my life, like the worrying scale kind of ebbs and flows depending on what else is happening in my life. But for the most part I'm just like, yeah, it is what it is. But I mean there are times I worry like,

Rachael 27:47

yeah

Brandi 27:50

I'm the Commander, like I said, I knew that one going into it.

Rachael 27:54

Who it said on on our results.

Brandi 27:57

The famous people?

Rachael 27:57

yeah like

Rachael 27:58

who are the famous people that you relate to?

Sarah - ENFP - The Campaigner

Brandi 28:00

um, obviously Steve Jobs was one of them. Um, sorry, I gotta scroll down to see them again. Uh, Gordon Ramsey.

Rachael 28:08

Oh okay,

Sarah 28:09

nice okay, uh love him.

Brandi 28:12

F. D. R.

Rachael 28:12

Okay,

Sarah 28:12

nice,

Brandi 28:13

Whoopi Goldberg, Jim Carrey,

Rachael 28:16

I love Jim Carrey

Brandi 28:16

Harrison Ford,

Sarah 28:18

nice

Brandi 28:19

um. It even gave me some fictional ones, which I thought was funny Dr. Strange and Tony Soprano

Rachael 28:24

hell, yeah

Brandi 28:25

yeah,

Rachael 28:26

that's badass

Brandi 28:27

So

Rachael 28:28

I like that

Brandi 28:29

Miranda Priestly from uh, The Devil Wears Prada.

Brandi 28:34

That was my favorite.

Brandi 28:35

I relate to her so much

Sarah 28:37

oh my Campaigners, I might know, are awesome.

Rachael 28:41

Okay, what is a Campaigner? What does that mean?

Sarah 28:43

I am a Campaigner, my letters are E-N-F-P, so I am extroverted, intuitive, feeling, prospecting and turbulent.

Rachael 28:57

I didn't get the fifth letter.

Rachael 28:59

What did I do wrong?

Sarah 29:00

I don't see the quote either.

Brandi 29:02

You didn't get a quote?

Sarah 29:04

I don't think so

Brandi 29:04

it's right at the front.

Rachael 29:05

Oh, I got the quote

Sarah 29:06

Okay.

Sarah 29:06

I was looking at the quote but I did notice when you were talking about the people. My people are Robert Downey Jr. Okay, Robin Williams, who I absolutely love, Quentin Tarantino I know, I completely mispronounced that,

Brandi 29:22

Quentin

Brandi 29:23

Tarantino

Rachael 29:23

he's like the actor or the director.

Sarah 29:25

That's cool

Rachael 29:27

Movies!

Sarah 29:30

Mine says, as an ENFP Campaigner, you are a vibrant force of enthusiasm, creativity and idealism. Your mind is a constant whirlwind of ideas and possibilities, each more exciting than the last. You approach life with an infectious energy that draws others to you, your charisma and genuine interest in people making you a natural connector and inspirational force.

Rachael 29:53

Ooh

Brandi 29:54

Yep,

Rachael 29:55

that is so you,

Sarah 29:57

mm-hmm

Rachael 29:57

I love that.

Brandi 29:59

which I know like it's just a general term, but you've got campaign manager right on the table,

Sarah 30:07

I mean that's probably one of my favorite jobs was working in like nonprofit.

Sarah 30:12

I do really enjoy still working in nonprofits, so maybe I'll find my way back there somewhere

Brandi 30:17

yeah, definitely

Sarah 30:18

um. But it's funny too because it also makes sense with the middle of the type a and type b, because it says um, you excel in excel in roles that allow you to use your exceptional communication skills and tap into your boundless creativity. However, the conventional nine-to-five grind can feel stifling to your free-spirited nature, so you may struggle with strict routines, hierarchies or jobs that involve a lot of repetitive tasks.

Rachael 30:43

Oh, it's speaking to you.

Rachael 30:46

It is so clear it is.

Sarah 30:48

But you know, when it did, when it did go to careers, um, it said there's a career one One was event planner, obviously

Rachael 30:59

that you would be good at as an event planner?

Sarah 31:01

Yes,

Rachael 31:02

okay, yeah, which you've crushed that in your life already.

Sarah 31:05

We did,

Rachael 31:07

we were there

Sarah 31:08

an entrepreneur or an event planner,

Rachael 31:10

oh,

Sarah 31:11

and I'm like well, okay,

Rachael 31:12

you're on to something,

Rachael 31:14

you're on to something.

Sarah 31:14

I need the ever-changing variety and creative freedom, and because that's it's, so it's, I hate it sometimes. I do hate it sometimes because I know that I need routine and structure, but at the same time, I hate routine and structure because it puts me in a box. So you, really, I have yet to find a way to win.

Rachael - ENFJ - The Protagonist

Brandi 31:39

Yeah, I know that, speaking of jobs and how it kind of fit into you, like mine was literally management, consulting, engineer and law, and the only one I haven't done is law, but I did consider it at one point.

Sarah 32:01

That'd be cool.

Brandi 32:02

Okay, so I've nailed all of it like I've managed people. I work for a consulting firm. I've been an engineer for you know how long now. Like, totally, like they're nailing it this, this personality test.

Rachael 32:10

you're not doubting yourself at all, Brandi, you know who you are down into your core,

Brandi 32:14

but I'm like this.

Brandi 32:15

we're all seeing that this is like is accurate, and I feel like that's why it's such a popular test.

Rachael 32:22

You know what this personality test did for me? It made me realize I'm not as psychotic as I think I am sometimes, because truly like sometimes I'm like what the fuck is wrong with me. Like why can't I be an active listener? Why do I struggle in certain areas of my life? And I fucking know that they're an issue and I can call them out that they're an issue and I actively work towards them every single fucking day.

Rachael 32:50

And then this personality test is like well, you might struggle with this and that's because you're this personality type and I like, oh

Sarah 32:56

right

Rachael 32:56

so it gets me, it's okay not that I'm screwed, but it was more like it's okay, like that's just who you are, and I felt like I could like own it a little bit more, which was really nice so, oh, I did get the fifth letter. I'm going through my uh giant ass google doc now finding my results, but so I am an E-N-F-J-A. Okay, so I'm so.

Brandi 33:23

Wait, we're all E-N's?

Rachael 33:26

we're, we're all E-N's

Brandi 33:28

okay

Rachael 33:29

okay let me go back.

Brandi 33:30

I thought that was interesting.

Rachael 33:31

I was and I'm an E-N-F-J and you were what

Sarah 33:36

E-N-F-P-P

Rachael 33:38

and you were

Brandi 33:39

E-N-T-J

Rachael 33:40

E-N-T-J so both of you were a's as your fifth letter, yeah, and then I was a t, which I don't think I mentioned.

Sarah 33:46

What the turbulent was? It's, you're likely, self-conscious, sensitive, distress, success driven, perfectionist, perfection and eager to improve.

Sarah 33:58

I feel like that's very contradicting.

Brandi 34:01

No, I think that all suits you.

Sarah 34:02

Yeah,

Brandi 34:03

to a degree.

Rachael 34:03

What does the?

Rachael 34:04

A mean

Brandi 34:05

Assertive,

Sarah 34:05

assertive.

Rachael 34:06

Assertive. Did we get a definition for that?

Brandi 34:08

Yes, it did.

Sarah 34:09

I am not.

Sarah 34:10

I avoid conflict

Brandi 34:11

Assertive is self-assured, even-tempered and resistant to stress, refusing to worry too much.

Rachael 34:19

Oh yeah, I'm like deep breaths all the time. Open my Finch app, do my deep breathing exercises.

Brandi 34:27

But I mean we also have anxiety to you know. Well, we have personalities, we also have mental disorders, that kind of counteract some of these things.

Rachael 34:33

So so, as an ENFJ I'm the Protagonist. I possess a unique blend of charisma, empathy and idealism that sets me apart from a crowd. My natural ability, uh, to inspire and lead others. It's matched only by your deep-seated desire to make a positive impact around the world around you. You have an uncanny knack for understanding people's emotions and motivations, often sensing what others need before they even realize it themselves. Your gift for communication allows you to articulate your visionary ideas with passion and conviction, drawing others into your orbit and motivating them to join you in your cause. I thrive on meaningful connections and have a remarkable talent for bringing up the best in those around you

Sarah 35:26

Absolutely.

Rachael 35:27

However, my idealistic nature can sometimes set you up for disappointment when reality falls short of your lofty expectations.

Brandi 35:34

And that's where I come in

Rachael 35:38

and that's where Brandi shuts me down and she's like nah, this is what's up. Um

Brandi 35:43

realist over here,

Rachael 35:45

the realist

Brandi 35:49

how do you feel about your results like

Rachael 35:52

I feel like they're accurate.

Rachael 35:53

I think I have taken this in the past and I have always been an ENFJ, so I knew this. I took this in college and that's what I got in college. So I felt like I was curious to see if it would change, because I feel like my life has changed significantly and I've changed significantly since then, but

Sarah 36:11

I really thought mine was going to be different, like not dramatically different, but like slightly like.

Sarah 36:15

Maybe I grew a little bit um, but no, it's the same thing I had in high school, same thing I had in college, same thing, but which also still made sense

Brandi 36:23

yeah, I just.

Brandi 36:25

I mean, it's your personality, like I just don't

Sarah 36:26

right, it's like yeah, it's kind of like you, like you still are who you are because of like how you're raised, situations you were in, like because of your life. You're still you, but I think there are still traits we can learn um. But, agreed, I think your personality is your personality, like you can change things, but ultimately, like you are who you are

Brandi 36:46

and I mean a lot of these questions, aren't?

Brandi 36:50

they're how you feel or how you would react to a situation?

Sarah 36:53

Yeah,

Brandi 36:54

and I

Brandi 36:55

And ultimately, like you can learn, you know, maybe you one of your personalities, you're prone to anger, and you can learn anger management

Sarah 37:05

yeah

Brandi 37:05

but when you're reading these questions and truly like looking at your like true self and you're like, okay, yeah, that's me, yeah, or this means you know, I've had problems with that in the past, like you're gonna, you going to know that, more so than people that aren't in your head,

Rachael 37:20

right,

Sarah 37:20

yeah,

Brandi 37:21

who have just witnessed your anger management. You know techniques and everything, but ultimately deep down you know like, oh, I do get angry. I just I know how to control it now.

Sarah 37:30

And I like and I think part of whole process of this test too is because they'll phrase similar questions in different ways that make you think, and you can answer those in different ways too, which all come into effect. So I like that.

Rachael 37:56

There were a couple of themes that I felt like when I was taking this test of oh, a younger version of me would have answered this differently.

Sarah 37:59

That's what got me to.

Rachael 38:00

One of them was like do you care about other people's opinions about you? Or like do you try to please others? And things like that, and I feel like I used to be a really big people pleaser and really care about what people thought about me, and I could give two fucks nowadays what people think about me, so I feel like that's a win on my end.

Sarah 38:17

A lot of mine are always like because I mean so always in between.

Sarah 38:21

There were a couple questions that I really struggle with answering because I need more information,

Rachael 38:27

like what?

Sarah 38:27

Like the one that came up in my brain was like do you stress about having to make phone calls? And I'm like with who Exactly?

Sarah 38:34

Right? No, I don't mind making phone calls and I'm like kind of phone with you, right? No, I don't mind making phone calls, I don't love making my own appointments.

Sarah 38:39

I hate cold calling, like I really hate cold calling.

Sarah 38:41

I can do it and I'm damn good at it, but I don't like it,

Rachael 38:45

yeah

Sarah 38:45

so some of those questions I'm like I'm kind of just indifferent or um, I can't remember, like another question, but it's like, yes, sometimes I like that, sometimes I don't it like that big of a deal. So I kind of put my answer in the middle. But I find myself torn between having to pick agree and disagree. So I like this one had the in-betweens, like usually they'll have strongly agree, agree, neutral, disagree, disagree. This had one extra one, so it was like partially agree, agree, neutral, and agree, agree neutral, and then

Do personality tests become out of date as time goes on?

Brandi 39:15

it had five choices like five dots right, or am I getting it?

Sarah 39:19

it had

Rachael 39:20

was it seven

Brandi 39:22

it was seven.

Sarah 39:23

Yeah, was that a neutral one, and then it had three options on each side instead of yeah,

Brandi 39:28

I will say I've always been told and like, obviously, like I answered some towards the middle and everything but like to get the most accurate result it's supposed to be like immediate and as extreme as possible.

Rachael 39:41

Don't change your answer,

Sarah 39:42

but that's why.

Sarah 39:42

It's not even that I'm like thinking about it too much. It's really that I just need more information, Because I don't want to say I strongly agree with I don't like making phone calls because it's not true, but it does just depend on who I'm calling

Brandi 39:54

and I'm interested.

Brandi 39:55

You kind of bring up a good point like do these questions change with technology or is like the gen z and alpha generations just going to have different personalities because none of them like making phone calls?

Sarah 40:10

I mean, I would think that some of these questions have to like change over time just because of there might be better ways of wording things, there might be more information on why this question. It should be included in this personality test versus this question, like I'm sure there's little things about, like we're down there, but I don't really know because these personnel generation, though, because then I feel like it's what?

Rachael 40:36

Are they outdated at that point?

Rachael 40:38

like. Does the personality test become outdated as generations progress?

Brandi 40:43

But I still feel like there's going to be introverts, extroverts.

Brandi 40:46

I feel like those basic ones don't change. I just think you have to change the question to be relevant for them.

Sarah 40:52

And I feel like it's still like we're all human, no matter what generation we're from too. We think differently, but we all kind of essentially work the same way

Brandi 41:01

I don't know.

Brandi 41:02

I kind of want to look into

Sarah 41:03

that'd be interesting

Brandi 41:04

as the generations.

Brandi 41:05

Like you know, are there more like extroverts in the boomer generation and it's slowly decreased

Sarah 41:11

okay, call out to all the Girl Gang listeners if you are knowledgeable or you have like accreditation for anything with these personality tests or psychology and you have some input, we want to have you on the podcast so we can talk this out, because yes, I'm interested now

Brandi 41:27

yeah, sorry, that was just a

Sarah 41:28

no, that's that is. That's very valid.

Sarah 41:30

It's a really good question

Rachael 41:31

No, as I was doing this too, I was just thinking like I fucking love personality tests

Brandi 41:37

oh yeah

Rachael 41:38

like I would do this as a career. I

Sarah 41:39

I love this stuff

Rachael 41:40

I would talk about it in what I do, so I thought it was really helpful. It was nice to be reassured, to know like who I am, even though many things have happened in my life, but overall, shooketh, I'm a type B.

Sarah 41:54

Yeah,

Rachael 41:55

pretty solid.

Rachael 42:01

Shooketh because I'm a type B, but feeling pretty good about my result overall and it's interesting to hear what your guys' personalities were.

Sarah 42:05

Did you guys get?

Sarah 42:06

your fun facts about your title.

Rachael 42:08

Oh fun facts. What are my fun facts?

Sarah 42:10

This is at the very end of the email results for me.

Rachael 42:14

Oh, I didn't get. I didn't email, I just screenshotted everything.

Sarah 42:17

I did too.

Brandi 42:18

First, mine's still on my phone because I never close my browser.

Brandi 42:22

Type B there

Sarah 42:26

It says fun facts about campaigners, just if anyone else can relate to the personality types that we were um. Campaigners prefer being called weird to being like everybody else very true in my case. Have a lot of varied hobbies absolutely true in my case. Uh, try to live like there's no tomorrow. The one thing is, it says, wear bright and colorful clothes. I think I'm getting more into that, but I've always kind of been like neutral I don't know um and then believe everyone can be successful if they try hard enough, which you absolutely can be.

Brandi 42:54

I didn't get the fun facts.

Sarah 42:56

Oh, maybe I'm special maybe just a campaigner thing.

Brandi 43:01

Oh, this is going back to personality perfectly. Yeah, I don't have those

Rachael 43:04

it's like in a gray box at the bottom in the conclusion section. So mine's saying ENFJ's gifts include idealism, determination and the ability to envision a better future, but they don't just want to hear what makes them great. These personalities are committed to actually using these gifts to serve a greater purpose.

Sarah 43:25

There you go.

Brandi 43:26

Wait, did you guys have both? Did you both get yours emailed to you?

Sarah 43:29

Yes

Rachael 43:29

no, this is just. I literally just clicked on the page. It says conclusion and there's like a gray box that.

Brandi 43:40

Oh, I had to get the email. I've got it here.

Rachael 43:42

Okay, what do your gifts include?

Brandi 43:44

My fun facts, you mean? Oh, fun facts.

Sarah 43:46

I don't have a gray box on mine,

Rachael 43:48

oh, oh. So maybe I don't have fun facts, I just have gifts.

Brandi 43:54

Okay, I don't. My fun facts came through the email which Kozy did. Need a job that gives them freedom to decide what they do and how they do it. Um, I would say I've got a lot of freedom. I I feel like with that one. I don't like micromanagers, so I feel like I've done that. I hate it. So I feel like that kind of pulls in there um considers themselves ambitious. Ambitious is my middle name. Resists social pressure. I would agree to that. Be high achievers and enjoy setting goals for improving themselves. I mean, we've talked about it, I am the goal setter,

Rachael 44:32

the goal setter.

Sarah 44:33

Yeah.

Rachael 44:35

Okay. So if anybody is curious about this just where we found these tests, if they're legit or not

Brandi 44:45

we'll link them in the blog.

Rachael 44:46

But we took type a, type b personality test and we took the 16 personalities. So we'll link them in the blog so you can take some personality tests. And then we had started doing the enneagram as well, just to kind of get to know each other a little bit more. So we're planning on finishing that and just huddling internally to see where we were at on those results.

Brandi 45:03

So yeah, maybe we can put those in the blog.

Rachael 45:07

Yeah, we'll let you know what our enneagram results are because that's a whole another test

Brandi 45:12

Check out our blog to see our results for that

Rachael 45:13

absolutely.

Sarah 45:14

And let us know who you relate to more.

Rachael 45:17

Yeah, I'm. What combination are you E-N-F-J for me?

Sarah 45:30

E-N-F-P,

Rachael 45:30

f-p. Oh yeah,

Brandi 45:31

I'm E-N-T-J.

Rachael 45:33

Woo-hoo,

Sarah 45:33

nice, this is fun. This is a fun one.

Rachael 45:36

Too many letters! Okay, well, thank you everybody for listening. Make sure you comment. Let us know what your personality type is. Text us with suggestions on next podcast episode suggestions. So until next time,

Sarah 45:49

stay bold,

Brandi 45:50

stay empowered.

Sarah 45:51

Girl Gang out.