The Penny-Drop Moment: Reframing Problems Through Creative Insight

The Penny-Drop Moment: Reframing Problems Through Creative Insight

In this episode, Dr. Ash Kumar and Fionnuala Featherstone explored Creative Innovation—the skill of breaking free from unhelpful patterns and seeing challenges through a fresh, elevated lens. Using the metaphor of a frog befriending a bird to rise above the tall grass, the discussion highlights the power of blue-sky thinking when we feel stuck or limited by our current perspective.

✨ Key Themes & Insights

1. The Need for Creative Innovation

When old methods stop working or problems evolve, creativity becomes essential. As the famous Einstein quote suggests, repeating the same actions won’t create new outcomes.

2. Seeing Problems Differently

A story about Einstein giving the same exam questions two years in a row illustrates how experience changes how we view problems—and how growth shifts our answers.

3. Innovation in Healthcare

We discuss the Hospital at Home model, a creative approach offering hospital-level care in patients’ homes. This reduces hospital-related complications and eases system pressures.

4. Adapting Through COVID-19

The pandemic accelerated new ways of working—Zoom sessions, hybrid services, outdoor coaching, and creative collaborations—all benefiting clients and expanding what’s possible.

5. How to Foster Creativity

Practical steps include:

• Recognizing when you’re stuck
• Seeking external insight through coaching or trusted conversations
• Using reflective tools to examine patterns
• Taking proactive action and scheduling weekly creative nourishment (e.g., plays, books, art, nature)
  
  

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Hello friends and a very warm welcome to Transforming Stress with Dr. Ash. Are you ready to turn stress into your comfort? First third is now Dr. Ash has worked in gained education across three continents India, United Kingdom, and the United States in healthcare. We can first hand how stress can impact our health and cause our happiness. But here's the exciting part it's to help you transform your stress into a powerful tool for growth and resilience. Each week, he'll share practical tools and life-changing insights from his books, including The Boiling Frog, to help you manage your stress, find balance, and live a life of purpose. Please join us every Friday at 5 p.m. and let's start turning stress into strength together. Now let's dive into today's episode.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Welcome back, Funella. Welcome to our next chapter, and we are going to discuss about creative innovation. Should we have a little look at the picture? Yes. Let's see. So in the creative innovation, as you can see, that there are a lot many frogs who are stuck in the long, tall grasses and they're they are lost. They are stuck. But there's one frog who has befriended a bird and is up in the skies. So the analogy is that when we are stuck, we can can we think out of the box? You might have heard about something known as blue sky thinking. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

And can you think differently? You can, but I think as we're going to find when we drill down into this, you need to create the right environment for yourself to be able to do that. To tap into that power. But definitely, yes, of course you can.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

And we have seen time and again people who have made any progress. This has been one of the key skills. Especially when the systems have been systems are stuck. They're doing the same thing again and again because the problems would have changed. So we have to be thinking creatively. I'm reminded of a story by Putin Einstein. He was a professor, I think it's at Oxford or Cambridge, and he had given an exam to a group of students. And his assistant said, uh, Dr. Einstein, you had uh given the same questions to this group of students last year. So Dr. Einstein said, Yes, I don't I don't think that I have uh I I gave the same questions because that was last year, because for them the answers would have changed because they have gone through one year and they've been able to look at the same situations, same problems in a different way. Creative innovation, creative solutions are very important in an environment where we are doing the same thing and not getting any results.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

Yeah, and did Einstein not also say that it's kind of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expect different results. Exactly. And if the results you're getting are not good, if you're exhausted and burnt out and your business is failing, um, or the large organization you're running is not serving your client base or your customers well, you have to do something differently. You have to do something differently.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Yeah. So there are there are a few examples which really stand out for me. I mean, working in the hospitals, we know that there is overcrowding. Yeah. We know there are complications because of beds. We know that um there are hospital acquired infections. Uh we know that the demographics of the population is changing and the demands on the service have been increasing. I'm sure you would agree with all this.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Yeah, and the more that medicine advances, the the more that medicine is able to do, obviously the more it has to do. So you're trying to provide new treatments, better treatments, um, more people are seeking treatments.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

And more people are living longer. And people are living longer, yeah. Yeah. So Fonella several years before, I was part of a service known as hospital at home service. And this is a service which was founded so that secondary hospital level care can be provided in patients' own home environment. Amazing. So working with a couple of other uh visionary visionary leaders, we set up a UK hospital at home society and our vision was to provide secondary level care in patients' own home environment. Now, if you see what what the thought process is going here, in the in the hospitals there is a patient flow problem. Yeah. When the patients are in the hospital, it's sometimes difficult to discharge them because a lot of lot of issues, whether they are have a good enough safe functional level to be able to go back home. How are they going to be supported? How are they going to be supported? Yeah. So it has to be a case-by-case basis. But in several situations, if the patients to start with can be treated in their own home environment, we prevent a lot of complications which can happen in the hospital. It can be uh hospital acquired infections, it can be decompensation, especially when the patients are in hospital, their mobility would not be as good as what what it is in their own home environment.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

That's why this service was a great creative innovation. And I feel that this is also going to be the service of the future.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Yes, because I'm just thinking during COVID, your hospitals at home approach would be pretty ideal. That vulnerable patients can be treated at home. Coming to the hospital and getting more infections. Instead, they can be treated at home. So, yes, absolutely. Um in my coaching work, I worked with clients online, and that's something I continue to do now. And the gift of that is that I can work with clients anywhere in the world, um, which I I hadn't really considered doing before. It's a different experience, that's true. Um, but there is a lot of value to being able to reach out and um have that more diverse experience. And the other thing that I was able to do was have um walk-in appointments with clients. So we could be outside together, we could um initially when things were really quite bad, you could distance. Um, but as things eased, we could walk together, and just being outside would obviously mitigate any risks. And now I still do those walk-in appointments with clients. Um, and it's there's something different about how you think when you're walking, and something different as well about talking to somebody as you walk. And um, a couple of clients of mine who are neurodivergent have also mentioned for them it's it's a much more comfortable experience than sitting across a table with someone. Um, it's it's a way of just being in coaching in quite a different way. And then with my other hat on with performance art, I collaborated with other artists online and we produced video art, and then when times became more normal again, we were able to exhibit that in a live setting. So, yeah, it's about adaptation and these brilliant new things that can come out of a really hard situation.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Yes, yes. I mean what you are saying that around the around the COVID times, there was a huge boom in the Zoom. A boom in the Zoom indeed.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

Yeah, I mean, yoga teachers, therapists, fitness industry, then were cabarets online, yeah, everything. Yes, I think. Yeah, and I'm sure also, you know, people in other professions, lawyers were online. We actually we had doctors' appointments, we could do that as well. Yes. And you know, well, yeah, there's um there's benefits to being in a face-to-face situation. But if we can't have that, then we can have something else. Or as I was saying, with um video appointments with clients, that's added a whole new level to what I do. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

So I uh there was, of course, a huge amount of disruption after the COVID, but a lot of beautiful things also came out of that disruption, and now people are able to have more flexible approaches, they are able to have hybrid approaches, and people are understanding also that all environments are not meant to be for them. Some certain environments are better for certain kinds of people, and as long as we are aware of our own strengths, what works for us, that is what helps us to thrive.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Yeah. Yeah. So when we're in a difficult place and we find the way to adapt, that gives us a new strength. Yes. So how can we make the conditions for that for ourselves? How can we really foster our own creativity? How do we do that?

SPEAKER_01 9:30

I think one of the things could be, of course, knowing that when you are in a situation and you're feeling very stuck. Yeah. So the first point is having that awareness that, you know, something is not working. I'm working towards some kind of an end goal, and we are just going around in the circles.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

And and that's where something like coaching can help, because you sit down and identify your obstacles and your resources. Your own mindset might be an obstacle. Yes. You can really examine and explore that.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

And something uh that's why these coaching conversations, what we are having is a coaching conversation. To have these coaching conversations can provide us with an external insight or a different kind of perspective. It's the feedback and the reframing. Feedback, reframing, and what we say the penny dropping. Yeah, that's it. And once you are able to see a new perspective, then you cannot unsee it. No. Because you've got a new new fresh insight into a situation. That's really true.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

And I think also with the book, you really support people to do that. So we've got the reflective awareness, which is repeated throughout the book and which we examine in depth in the first section in self-management. So each section takes us into reflecting on where we are with each skill. Yeah. Um and then we've got our leaps to action. So for creative innovation.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

So being aware of a being aware of a particular skill, if we are uh how well we are doing it or we are lacking, and then to make uh to make uh conscious decision or make a conscious action. That is, and if one is able to do that, you're able to break free of that cycle of being stuck.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Yeah, you don't have to stay stuck. So for example, in this chapter we have a question in reflective awareness: what does creativity mean to you? You could write or record a sentence or two, pick three words, sum up creativity, and if you're working in a group or with a partner, you could brainstorm that because you can use this book with other people, and I think that would be a really helpful thing to do.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Um, yeah. And then in Leaps to Action, um you can reflect on past successes where you used innovative thinking. What learning can you apply to current challenges? You can set aside time each week for creative activities. So that could be quite a small thing that you might you might go and see a play, you might sit down and read a book, you might just get out some paints and mess around. Perhaps that's something you've not done since school. I've had clients say that to me, say, Oh, I used to paint and draw when I was a child. I'd love to do that. And I would say, Well, why don't you? You could do that. It can be anything, just some some sort of engagement.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Yes, absolutely. Everybody has to find what works for them and then uh do it more and more. And uh also sometimes if they're feeling stuck to find an external help, it could be a friend, trusted friend, coach, mentor, could be very helpful. Well, Fonella, thank you so much for sharing your incredible insights about creative innovation. And I look forward to discussing the next chapter in environmental management with you. Thanks, Sasha. It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

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