3. All About Alternative Cancer Treatments & Hope - Renae's Story

Today we are talking about my mom, Renae and her path with a cancer diagnosis. We discuss the therapies and mindsets that helped her and resources you can check out to help yourself and loved ones struggling with chronic health issues.

Supplemental Podcast on Healthcare in America:
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0lTyhvOeJs

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/14XV2p3zAYVWPt7F2hpP9Z?si=RTB5Gh7VT1eEMOWLYF-Gqw

Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2210-calley-means-casey-means-md/id360084272?i=1000672259309

Alternative Medicine Clinic in Tijuana:
https://www.bioadvancedmc.com/

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I'm Kristen Russell, and this is The Wholly Empowered Podcast, where we dive into all things holistic healing and open our minds, hearts, and paradigms to new ideas so we can live our most empowered, healthy, joyful lives. Hello! We're back! Another episode of Wholly Empowered. So today we're going to be talking about my mom and her choices around her cancer diagnosis and kind of the process that she went through and what she implemented and how that worked for her. I'm just going to go over just It's kind of the whole story. So first, a little bit about my mom. So her name is Renae and she is, she's the oldest or oldest girl second oldest of nine kids and she grew up on a farm in Arizona and just really hardworking, really fun. She's just a party. She's just a party to be around. Super joyful. Just sucking all the marrow out of life, kind of a person. And she was always kind of spunky and gets things done. And just to just a cheerleader type of person. She's so fun. She was actually a cheerleader in high school, But she is, she's just a joy. And she's very independent and certain. Yeah. And she's just great. So, we were very lucky to have her, and she was always in your corner. And, so excited to be a grandma, and just a lot of fun. So that's my mom, my mom in a nutshell. But, she was diagnosed with cancer when I was 12. And, She was diagnosed with breast cancer. And she ended up doing a lot of alternative treatments and there, I'll go over kind of her reasoning around that. But it's kind of weird cause we, She lived a pretty healthy lifestyle, you know, and so it's like, what, why, why did this happen? And I don't think anybody necessarily knows, you know, it's kind of, it's hard to pinpoint exactly why someone gets cancer, but I know, you know, people say genetics and nutrition and environment and environmental things. And so I think all of those, I think all of those play a role. And I don't think anybody in my family who has gotten tested has had that gene, I forget what it's called, but it's that gene that's very indicative of you, you are more likely to get cancer. So I, I don't know that she had huge genetic factors. They did live on a farm and I have to wonder if the pesticides were not a big contributor. That's possible now that we know. the pesticides are carcinogenic. We always ate really healthy. We were kind of, uh, potatoes and oatmeal and eggs family, you know? So we didn't have cold cereal in our house or anything. So, I think it comes down to environment usually and your nutrition and lifestyle. I heard a, somebody compared genetics to the DNA is like the loaded gun and your lifestyle is the trigger. So I think we have a lot more control than we sometimes think when it comes to our genetics and what we're predisposed to, if that was a factor for her. But I don't know. I don't know. I have to wonder what might have, what might have caused that. But when she, after she got this diagnosis, she did a lot of research and studied just the pharmaceutical and medical Structures in our country and how things are handled and that was a big reason why she chose a lot of the alternative methods that she did. She was very cautious about trusting the pharmaceutical companies or, you know, she'd look at who funded what and just the whole, this the whole thing. And I'm going to recommend a supplemental podcast to this one because normally I want to have a guest on that knows more, can explain things better than I can. And this podcast, this episode specifically of this podcast, they just, they just nailed it. Like all the reasons why my mom chose the things that she chose. They really help you understand exactly how things are working in our country and how like in Europe, so many things are illegal and they have to not include in certain ingredients in their food because it's They're cancer causing, and we don't do that here. There's, the way that the medical system is set up it's kind of a sick care system, where we don't address the root cause, we just treat, and treat, and treat. And we, it's not, I feel like the word cure is almost, it's like a dirty word or something, like, it's, we don't say we can cure anything. And, It's such a touchy subject, and it's, and it's tricky to navigate, I'm not trying to poo poo on doctors or Western medicine, I just, I'm just telling you what she found and what, what seems to be the case as far as the way that things are set up. It doesn't seem to always be in the best interest of the patient. And anyway, so she had this in mind when she was choosing her treatments. So she decided she didn't want to do chemo and she didn't want to do surgery. And at the time, especially, I feel like, especially with surgery, it's your consent is not always considered. And I remember her saying she'd want them to take her lymph nodes and, you know, sometimes they just, take a lot when they do surgery and she just wanted more control of what was happening with her body and so she opted out of that and decided not to do chemo and just focused on more holistic treatments and Gosh, she did that. I don't remember. I'm trying so she got diagnosed probably around 2000 or 2001 if I was like doing the math if I was 12 and And so she, I know she did things like Essiac tea and just some of these like natural things. And she did do some emotional release work. Like I was. I'm telling you I did in the last podcast. I don't think she did tons of it. For the cancer, but again, it's all related, right? Like, Our emotional, mental, spiritual, like each one affects the other. So. So. If you want to have physical health, you need to address. Your emotional health and the more you can release these. Patterns are these things that are. Holding you back, the more it's just. Gonna help your body function better. So, I think it's all. All it's all good. And her quality of life was just so good. But I'm like, I just think it all helps and whatever you can. do to Get yourself in a good. Place. One way it's. Going to help. Like emotionally or mentally. It's going to help you physically. So. That was also. A little bit of what she did. She did everything right. But. That was a little bit of it She really didn't communicate with me a ton about what she was doing often because she didn't want me to worry or any of us to worry. So she was pretty private, even with her family about exactly what she was doing to treat things. So oh, yeah. I'm going to backtrack. I'm going to backtrack a little bit. So the supplemental podcast is they explain really well how, how everything works. And I think it's just really important to be informed about how things are, how the system works and how, how it might be affecting you. And I think that's important to take back your power around your own health because we're in charge of our health and our bodies ultimately, and you have to make decisions that work for you. And if you don't know all the options or you don't know how things work, it's hard to make the best decision for you. So in this podcast, they really nailed it. They really explained so, so well, so. So well, how everything works together and what we can do to change things. And it is, a Joe Rogan podcast. I know people have mixed feelings about him. Honestly, in this podcast, he doesn't really even talk, hardly at all. It's mostly just his guests talking. So if you don't like him, you can just kind of tune him out. It's not really, there is swearing and, you know, it's explicit, but the information is so good. And then his guests are. Casey and Calley Means they're siblings and the sister was a surgeon and then the brother was a, Consultant for the pharmaceutical and food industry. So he would go talk to politicians about where to put money. And it was just really saw all the backside of that. And they discuss how these systems work and how are our healthcare systems a little bit broken. It's so informative. It's so helpful. And I just, I really highly recommend it. It's like my supplemental, not required reading, but kind of like it, it helps you understand what's going on so much better. And it does, I'm going to, it does get a little political. I really don't want this to be a political podcast and that's not my goal here. but honestly, ignore that if it bothers you, like just push it aside. The first half of the podcast, I don't think they talk about anything political. But I think it's important to be informed so that you, whoever, whatever happens in the future, we can let our representatives know what we want because I feel like health is a, it should be a non partisan, like, there shouldn't be sides. And I don't, I think we can all agree on this. Anyway, really, really awesome supplemental podcast to what I am talking about today. So. Anyway, back to my mom and her choices. so she studied all these things. She took like a kind of a gentler approach, I guess. And and did pretty well. Like I would forget she was sick. She didn't act like she was sick. I feel like things were very normal all throughout high school for me as far as her health goes. I didn't really, it wasn't a big thing, you know, we lived a pretty normal life, which was a really big blessing in a lot of ways. It's, I didn't have the typical experience of your parent having cancer. So that was really, That was a blessing, I guess. But I feel like her attitude was a huge part of what helped her. One of the, one of the biggest things was just, She was very focused on enjoying her life. And, I know they've done studies. I wish I, I feel like if I bring up a study, I should have it available. But, I know they've done studies on, what people believe about their health. And, especially specifically with cancer. If they think they're going to die, they don't last very long. If they think they're going to live, they do so much better. And I really, I think that was one of the number one key things. Cause I, I mentioned in my previous, the first podcast, she was really into law of attraction and just mindset and she lived it, man. She like that woman, she practiced what she preached. Like she was very focused on having good attitude and giving her body the mental nourishment that it needs, I guess you could say. Like she just, she had such a good, she wouldn't, she never took ownership of being sick and she was careful how she phrased things and she never said, I have cancer. And she never said she was battling with cancer. She would just always talk about her health in very positive terms and she would make sure she watched funny movies and that we laughed a lot. And I feel like her attitude was probably the number one thing that kept her going and kept her health up and kept her quality of life so high. She had such a great quality of life. And So, in 2008, the cancer spread to her spine, and it was then bone cancer. So, she had a tumor that was on her bone, and pressing on her spinal cord, and that pinched it, and made her lose feeling in her legs, and that was kind of when it all came to a head. she called me when I was in college. This is right before Christmas break in 2008. And she called me and said, Kristen, you need to get a ride, come home for Christmas. And we're going to hop in the car and go. To Mexico. So my uncle her, one of her brothers, his wife had been chronically ill and she had gone, I think she had gone to this doctor before in Mexico cause they, they were in Arizona. And so he was familiar and he had told this doctor about my mom and asked if he thought he could help. And He was like, I got you a spot with this doctor and he was an alternative medicine doctor and a lot of the treatments that he did were not legal in the US at the time. And so that's why we ended up going outside of the country. So I went home. A couple days later, a day later, we got in the car and we drove all the way down to Mexico. And when I got there, my mom was doing pretty good. She was I think she was a little nervous she's losing a little bit of feeling in her legs. And we took a wheelchair with us. So we started driving down and we're taking turns driving and we're going up the grapevine by LA and we're, we were heading uphill and she was driving, I was in the passenger seat. My dad was in the back. And she lost, she kind of lost her feel, she couldn't find the brake. She sort of like lost feel of the pedals, and she couldn't lift her leg and find it again. And she was like, Kristen, I lost track of my brake, I need you to I need you to push the brake and I'm going to pull off. And so I reached down with my hand and pushed on the brake pedal and we got off to the side and we had to switch. And that was when she started really losing feeling in her legs. So by the time we got to Arizona, I remember I, I had to help her. Like we were helping her out of the car to go to the bathroom, like at the, truck stop or whatever, the McDonald's. And. It just progressed so quickly on the way down. And she was, she needed help. She had to use the wheelchair. Things just progressed. It was kind of crazy. So we got to El Paso and we had someone meet us there from the clinic and he taxied and we took our car and took us to this clinic. And this was in Juarez, Mexico, and it was extremely dangerous at the time. The. The murder rates or whatever like were like the same as the Middle East or it was at the time like an'08 It was very dangerous and I think it's still very dangerous. So we crossed the river, went to this, compound. It was like this big metal or I think it was a metal door that was like a gate and it just like a big wall around this complex. And we started, she started treatment like that day that we got there. And while she was there, we did I think it's called chelation. I always said chelation. I don't know. Everyone had accents where we were, when we were there. So I'm like, I don't know if it was the accents or if that's who you say it. But so chelation. Therapy. And that is where they hook you up to an IV and it runs I don't know exactly what it is, but they run something through your veins that cleans out heavy metals. So it's like a heavy metal detox. And there were a lot of different people there and I feel like most of them were doing that. That was part of their treatment, no matter what they had. And so she did that every day. They fed us food that was organic and there were no microwaves and it was very clean and we ate fish and rice and soup and there's this very specific diet that they wanted her to follow while she was there. And we stayed on the, there, we had little apartments there. So we stayed on that compound. And some of the other treatments she did while she was there, we, she did a hyperbaric chamber. So that's just, Really pure oxygen in kind of a pressurized situation. I think people are much more familiar with it now. You probably know what that is. But we did hyperbaric chamber therapy, and she also got, I don't know all of the therapies that she got while she was there, but I do know she got another one that it was actually later on cause she was doing all these different things and I wasn't there for all of it and like I wasn't with her physically. But I feel like the oxygen therapies seemed to be extremely helpful and I didn't realize when we were there that she was kind of on she told me later, she was like, I had to decide if I wanted to live while we were there. Like, it was that bad. And there was kind of evidence of that later with just I feel like people behave differently when they are on their deathbed. They, things, certain behaviors come up and I noticed a pattern of how she was acting when we were in Mexico and versus when she actually passed, like closer to when she was going to pass So that kind of confirmed to me that, yeah, she was, she was. In bad shape when we went to Mexico, so, um, It's very expensive when you do these therapies. And this is another problem with the way things are run. There's just not a lot of options. And, if you want your insurance to cover things. So, we had to We had to pay for this out of pocket. And, we kind of ran out of money. So, we were only there for, I think we were there a week total, but we were only, she was only getting treatment for about three and a half days. And on the last, because the doctor needed payment and we, anyway, we were trying to figure it out. And but on the last day, on the fourth day, I guess, where she was getting treatment, he took her in and said, well, let's do this ozone treatment. So she got ozone shots directly into the tumor in her breast. And that really, that was really helpful. I don't know because I wasn't in the room, but I do know the tumor was kind of an open wound, and it was from what my mom told me, it was purple, and they injected, it's just ozone, like they inject oxygen basically right into the tumor, and it turned red, and and after that, I don't know exactly the timeline, but it did, it shrunk considerably. My dad was saying it was You could tell it definitely shrunk quite a bit, and just changed and healed a little bit. That was crazy. That was very effective. And These oxygen based therapies I think were just really, really helpful. So again, we were only there for, she was only receiving treatment for about three and a half days, and we left after that, planning to come back, but it just, it was just so expensive and there was some drama with getting in and out and money and it was the whole thing. So we went back to Arizona, stayed with her family a little bit. And I went back up to school after that and she went home to California. And over the next few months she really improved. And the doctor there in Mexico recommended that she get spot radiation. So it's like a very concentrated small amount and in a specific spot. So that was, they did that on the one on her spine. And they did radiation like through her throat, straight to the back. And that was hard because It was damaging to her esophagus and she couldn't talk very well and it was just, that was rough, but it was, it helped a ton, so she was fully paralyzed by the time we left Mexico, just paraplegic, and when she got back, probably, I don't know, maybe a month after, she got this radiation on the tumor in her spine, and that, shrunk the tumor, it took the pressure off eventually. And she was paralyzed for probably six to eight months and wheelchair bound. And the doctor said she wouldn't walk again. Like no. And she was like, Oh really? That's my mom. She's very defiant. She's going to do what she's going to do. And so she spent a lot of time and she did this throughout. The time that she was sick, she would visualize, she would tell me, Kristen, I just sit and I close my eyes and I visualize all my cells working perfectly and all, my body system just working and everything just being really healthy and harmonious and I just feel it. And I honestly think that was, there's so much power in what we visualize and I think that was a huge huge help to her. And I just think your attitude is, is huge. And I think our bodies respond to what we tell them to do. And so, whether that just made her feel better or whether it actually helped, who's to say, I guess, but I really believe that it's. It helped her body, because she kept beating the odds, and I feel like the common denominator was her attitude. So, she's just, she was always kind of magical, in a way. Like, she would just always, the doctors would tell her one thing, and she would go, Hmm, that's nice. I'm not, I'm not subscribing to that. And she would just continue to get better or turn things around. And I just, yeah, her attitude was really, really amazing. And so after about, it was later that year Later in the summer, I think she could stand and she started to walk a little bit. And by a year after that, like two years after the spot radiation in Mexico she was, she was dancing. Like, I taught a dance class for some people at home and she was helping me and she's just, you know, she was a little bit, she never, she was a fast walker. She was like A very intentionally, you know, she would zip when she was before the cancer and before the paralysis. And so she wasn't quite as fast, which was actually kind of helpful for me because I was always trying to catch up to her. Um, I'm a, I'm a slow walker. So anyway, so she was a little bit slower after that, but she did everything she wanted to do. And me and her, went on a hike here in Utah we, we hiked Stewart Falls later on probably 2014 or something. And she was just determined. She would just do everything that she wanted to do. And don't tell her how it's going to be, because she's going to tell you. As far as, her body and her life is concerned. So she started walking and dancing and doing all the things again. And I just, it really turned the clock back going to Mexico and getting all those treatments really, it gave her six more years of life and it was decent quality. You know, it was pretty good. So I just think that's really cool. But, um, I'm really proud of her for just doing what was right for her. I think that's the key. Like, you got to do what feels right for you and your body and you know, and she didn't tell anybody. It was kind of a big secret. Like we didn't tell anybody that she had cancer, even her closest friends. And I think maybe if she could do it again, she might have shared a little bit more just for support. But, um, I don't know, but maybe she wouldn't. But it, she just, I think the last thing you want when you have a big illness is people telling you what you should be doing with your body. And I think she just really, she needed the space to make her own decisions and do what she felt good about. And so she just kind of kept it to herself and kept her attitude good and kept the energy good and just lived a really happy like, quality life, and it wasn't, I mean, she, she wouldn't tell us when things were bad, right? So she, I think she suffered a lot without telling, telling us exactly how she was feeling, but overall, it was pretty good, until like the, the end. She was, she was doing pretty well, and she was enjoying life, and she was so happy to be here. And she was somebody who wouldn't talk about funeral plans, or death, or just like, I'm gonna live to be a hundred, so don't count on it don't count on me dying ever. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be around. So, and I'm, I just believed her. Cause she was always right, she was always beating the odds and then going, well, told ya. You know, so we kind of got to the point where we're like, okay, well you tell us I don't know so, anyway, so she Yeah, she continued and we didn't really I think I mentioned in some other podcasts Our family got really hit really hard by 2008 the recession and like things were just really really really difficult Just getting back on our feet for a long time. So I think it kind of got pushed Aside going back to Mexico just because life and she was doing so much better. And so it just didn't really, we just didn't exactly make it a huge priority. So. Yeah, over the next few years, I was at college. She was just doing her thing. Still just trying different natural remedies and just different things. I know she did some kind of a estrogen I think it was newer, a little experimental estrogen treatment with the doctor. She had an oncologist that she really liked who would just kind of work with her and let her try different things and was supportive. And he'd Recommend different options for her that she might like. And so she did that for a few years and fast forward to 2014, things started to just kind of go downhill a little bit that year, a lot of bit and the cancer started spreading and she, again, she didn't really tell me. all the things that were going on. And so I don't know, all the details of where it spread, but it did move into her lungs. And at this point, she was just, she was on pain pills so much. And looking back. You're like, it's kind of obvious that she was in a really bad spot as far as just not feeling good and being a little out of it and not being herself. And she was on serious pain medication. And but she was just so like, I'm fine. You're like, okay. So it did, it spread to her lungs and I didn't realize at the time, that's pretty serious. But, it's. It just got worse and worse and worse, and she was My dad was taking care of her, and her lungs were filling up with fluid, and they were having to drain it. Anyway, it's a whole Sorry for the details, but, It just got really serious, and she eventually Something happened, I don't remember what, where she had to go to the hospital. I don't remember if she couldn't breathe, or what was going on. But The ambulance came and took her to the hospital and that had never happened before. Like she was always just really stable. And so took her to the hospital and it ended up being serious enough that all of us kids were called. And my dad was like, you need to come. Cause I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. And It had spread to, I think my dad was just telling me it spread to her ribs as well. It was just kind of all over and she had not been eating very much. She'd lost a ton of weight. She was kind of living off of crackers and Diet Coke, you know. And she was very malnourished actually. And As she was in the hospital, she ended up on a ventilator and she just couldn't breathe. And the doctor told us that we needed to think about just letting her go and We felt like that was premature. But he said, if we take her off the ventilator, we can't resuscitate her. If we try, her ribs will just break. Everything's just so fragile because she's so malnourished, and I think because there was cancer in her ribs as well, and so he was recommending that we pull the plug and my dad wasn't, didn't feel good about that, you know, and my mom was still, she was Not completely all there, just with being in the hospital on You know, they give you some drugs for the pain and But she was just really, she was really pissed that she couldn't talk. And It was just kind of weird. I thought that was weird that he suggested that so early on. But so we said, no, we're gonna, we're gonna wait. She's, I don't think she's that bad. You know, we'll, we'll just, we're going to see how this goes. And so we explained what was going on to her. And the whole hospital experience was a big rollercoaster because they would tell us she wasn't doing well. And then she would just do better. As per usual, and so she was on the ventilator. She ended up getting off the ventilator. And breathing on her own, which was a miracle, I don't know how that happened. She was probably just visualizing, I don't know. But, she, it just, it was very up and down. It kept, you know, she'd do a little worse and then she'd be doing better. And it was probably a week or two, I can't remember exactly, where she was in the hospital. Going through kind of this up and down, back and forth, whiplash scenario. And I ended up having to go back home so I said my goodbyes, but just kind of like, I'm coming back and we're going to take care of you. Oh, I left out a big part. So before this happened, we were planning on going back to Mexico. We had everything set up and the doctor that she had been to before had moved his office because it's so dangerous in Juarez. And I heard one of his patients, this is at least the story, was kidnapped and killed. And so he was like, well, I better move my clinic because I'm a target and so anyway. So he wasn't there anymore, so we had to find a new doctor. So my mom had found someone and we had made all these plans, over Thanksgiving that year. We were talking about what we were gonna do. And how we were going to, you know, getting the plan together to get her back down there because we knew it was go time. Uh, so we had a plane ticket for her and we had everything all ready. And I think it was like two days maybe before she was supposed to leave. That's when she ended up in the hospital. So that was really hard. That was really crushing. But So, basically, she's in the hospital, she's fading and she ended up passing like a couple days after I got home back to Utah, and and the, it's hard, you know, it's easy to beat yourself up or say, oh man, if we, if only we had been able to get her back to Mexico, that's really easy to do. But, overall, we did our best and she did her best and I really do think, it's hard because I think if we could have gotten her back there sooner, she did all these, you know, alternative things. She was taking supplements like crazy. And she was just taking all these different natural remedies that were supposed to be helpful. And I think they were, I think, I think they're very helpful and I think that contributed to her quality of life. I think with cancer, you have to hit it really hard though. And Mexico going there was hitting it really hard. And I feel like that really worked and really helped. And ultimately I'm like, yeah, if we could have gotten her back there, I think she probably would have lived. But on the other hand, I really feel like people that are fighting so hard to live, don't go unless it's their time. That's my personal opinion. One of the nurses said when she passed, after she passed, she said. She was in her room and she said to her, don't give up on me yet. And so that's like kind of, uh, that's like kind of her last words, you know? And it's, she was just so determined. She wanted to be here with her kids and her grandkids. And she only had one at the time and she was so excited. I think my sister was pregnant with her second and she was so excited about it all and was fighting. Like, tooth and nail. Like, she was not gonna go anywhere. And so, I just think when people are fighting that hard and they do pass, I just think it's their time. And, I can kinda see now, some, some things, the way it's affected my life, losing her. I've learned things that I just wouldn't have learned with her here. And, I'd rather have my mom, but, there are like, It's just interesting, life is just interesting, the lessons you learn and the things that you, you know, that you take from it. So yeah, the treatments that she got They're so much more available now, because you could only get them outside of the country back then, but now ozone shots are very popular. I know a lot of chiropractors and nurse practitioners, and just, I know a guy right now that administers them he worked with my friend, who I was massaging a lot of the time, so I got to see the results, and she had something going on with her Like muscle was just kind of disappearing and he injected ozone shots into it and it regenerated like it was kind of denting in and turning gray and then she got ozone and it turned more pink, it got more, it looked more lively and just returned to more of a, It's not perfect, but it's, the pain went away, she's feeling some pain there. And it filled back in, and it turned more of a skin tone, color, and it shrunk a little bit. And it's just really cool that these things are actually available. So that's where the hope comes in, I guess. This story didn't turn out the way any of us wanted it to. But I just think, between my mom's attitude, and the exposure that I got to some of these other treatments, is really hopeful. I feel like I know what to do. You know what I mean? It's kind of like, I got to see kind of what methods were helpful and which ones were maybe not quite as helpful. And and again, I think a lot of these, like all the supplements you take and all the little things you do for your health, it all matters and it all counts and it's all very helpful. I don't think any of that was the wrong decision for her, I just wish we could have gotten to Mexico sooner. I wish we could have gotten her more intense treatments faster. But the ozone shots are available in the U S. I don't know, you know, I would, I would go to Mexico if I needed treatment for cancer because they just have more freedom around how they can treat you. But these things are available. There are clinics here. There are a lot of functional medicine doctors that can do different things. Hyperbaric chambers are very popular. They're very available now. And they're not, she had a claustrophobic, like, tube one, and I feel like they've got big rooms, and they've got different options now that are just much better. I do know you have to look up the like the oxygen content, sometimes they're kind of diluted, so you've got to make sure you're getting a good one. And they're doing IV therapies everywhere, I feel like I've heard of people doing these they're at least vitamins, but I know somebody I was, I was looking up was doing chelation therapy as well. So. It's just much more accessible than it used to be, which is amazing. And I really want that trend to continue. And I think it's important to fight for that. Like just keep advocating for that if there's anything that comes up, in your community or your circles that is advocating for these other treatments, just giving people options. That is, that's so worthy. That's such a worthy cause. I just wanna, I just want people to know that there, there are lots of options and there's hope and be discerning, listen to your intuition, listen to your body. Don't let fear drive your life. And, yeah, there's just, I think there's a lot of reasons to be hopeful going forward. So just be open, be open and make sure you feel at peace about the decisions you make for your body. So just want to give you guys some hope going forward and I've been wanting to share her, my experience in her life and her story just because I think it's really. Inspiring. So, I hope that you were able to take that from this and go check out that podcast. It's episode 2, 2, 1 0 of Joe Rogan. It's really informative And I'll also put a link. There is a. Another facility in Tajuana, that does. Very similar. Treatments. I don't know if they do all the same ones that. We got. At the place that we went to, but they do. Do. Very similar. Alternative treatments. I know a couple of people who've gone there for stem cells. Not. Cancer, but I think they're worth checking out. If you. You are wanting to look at alternative. Medical. Treatments for. Any kind of chronic. chronic illness. I'll just, I'll put there. Info and they. It's Tajuana. They taxi, you and. They taxi you out. It's a very nice facility. One of my clients went there. And he was going. It is the nicest. The nicest. Medical facility I've ever been to. And. So much better setup. Than the one we went to, it was fine, but. But just not very safe. So. Anyway, if you're wanting that. That. I'll link it and. There are so there. There are a lot of different options. We'll. Be talking about them. In the future in different podcasts and. Just Google your area. Google functional medicine. Practitioners. In your area, they usually have some good alternative. Options and. Have hope. Thank you so much for listening. 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