Helping Children & Adults Reclaim Their Attention Using Research Based AI Tools and Coaching

In this episode, Jon Rasmussen interviews George Molakal about MindSpring Innovations, a company using AI to enhance attention, focus, and mental health across all ages. They discuss the importance of training attention as a skill, the impact of social media on focus, and the future of cognitive training technology.

From Mindspringfocus.com: "Over 10 years ago, our founding team began researching attention deficits in students when they discovered something alarming: the average attention span on a single screen had plummeted from 2.5 minutes in 2004 to just 47 seconds in 2021 (Gloria Mark, UC Irvine). Digital fragmentation wasn't just annoying—it was fundamentally reshaping how humans think and work.

Through a decade of rigorous neuroscience research, the team understood one core truth: the brain is remarkably plastic—capable of rewiring, strengthening, and transforming itself at any age. But having personally battled the modern crisis of distraction, they also knew that willpower alone could never solve the global attention challenge.

After years of research and development, the team partnered with world-class behavioral psychologists and global experts in gamification. Together, they built platforms designed to help children, teens, and adults unlock their full cognitive potential. [In just 15 minutes a day]

100,000 users later, they learned the critical missing piece: human coaching.

After more than a decade of research, MindSpring Innovation is revolutionizing cognitive performance,[attention, focus, impulse control and stress reduction]—combining proven gamification mechanics refined over 12+ years of research with certified coaching, real-time analytics, and enterprise-grade features. Through our flagship platforms... we're helping thousands of individuals, families, and teams worldwide..."

 keywords

#AI #attention #training #cognitive #enhancement #mentalhealth #neuroplasticity, #education #technology #stressreduction #focus #improvement #neurobiology #mindfulness #impulsecontrol #lifecoaching #coaching #ArtificialIntelligence

 key  topics

AI-powered attention training tools - a entirely new category according to Oxford

The impact of social media on focus and attention

Neuroplasticity and skill training for the mind - attention, focus, impulse control and stress reduction for children and adults

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to MindSpring Innovations

02:15 The Journey to Founding MindSpring

06:44 Understanding Attention as a Trainable Skill

12:05 The Impact of Technology on Attention

15:32 The Battle for Focus in a Distracted World

18:52 Building Impulse Control and Attention

22:01 MindSpring's Comprehensive Approach

24:43 Training Time and Effectiveness

27:43 Expanding MindSpring's Reach

30:05 Future Vision and New Platforms

36:22 Closing Thoughts and Offers

resources

MindSpring Focus - https://mindspringfocus.com

Attention Hero - https://attentionhero.com

Brightly Wired - https://brightlywired.com

Attentive Kids - https://attentivekids.com

 guest links

LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/georgemolakal

Website - https://mindspringfocus.com

Website - https://attentionhero.com 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Hello, everyone, welcome back to Shaman Radio Podcast. This is John Rasmussen, and I have a very special guest today, George Mullicall. And I think this is going to be an extremely valuable episode. You know, after seeing his own child struggling with attention and focus, George became the CEO and co-founder of Mindswing Innovations. And on his path from Harvard and Oxford through multiple tech ventures and becoming a publisher and global keynote speaker, George has always kept a thread of service and education front and center. And after seeing the staggering effects of attention loss in kids, adults, even corporate and sports teams, his company MindSpring validated a 125% attention improvement in just eight weeks using their AI cognitive training tools across schools, hospitals, and more. Mindspring now reaches all ages with 10 platform verticals and a cognitive backbone powered by 100 plus AI tools. It's not just EdTech, it's really the operating system for upgrading the mind and spirit at scale, which is a theme that ties directly in with healing and growth, which is what we're all about here. So, you know, I'd like to welcome you, George. Thank you so much for taking the time to share with us. And I have to say that what really intrigues me about this is, you know, as all tools throughout human history, they can be used for destructive purposes or constructive, right? Used to help people, hurt people. I think a lot of people are worried about AI and its effects and have been about technology since televisions, right, in terms of attention and focus. And I love the idea that you know you're you're essentially fighting fire with fire. You're using the technology to improve human attention and focus, which I I'm just super excited about. So I'd love to have you just tell us a little bit more about you know how you how you got to where you you did and uh and and uh how you started Mind Spring and where you where you're going with it next. And we'll talk a little bit about all of that. So thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Thank you. Thank you very much, John. Thank you very much. I really appreciate for the time here with you. And um, as you rightly said, uh, you know, we have two choices, either we heal the world or we destruct the world. And you know, that's a clear choice that we have, and here we are looking not only to heal the world, but to create leaders and uh the generation next that can actually think on their own, plan on their own, and be creative to create a better world for all of us. So that's where we are. So that's where we started. Uh, we started about a year uh and a half back when one of my classmates uh came home for a drink, and he was in Chicago. So he said, Hey George, I'm in town. Can you c can I come over? And I said, Yeah, come over, let's have a drink at home. And so he landed up at home with a bottle of scotch, and we went to our you know basement to have a drink, and we were just you know chatting around, and uh then he said, He um we were talking about our children, and I got my son Kennedy, who's uh now in Penn State doing his engineering, and then his son Preston, who is also you know in college, and we were talking about their childhood, and uh, you know, he Brian, my co-founder, he said uh when uh Preston was uh growing up, uh he had a lot of challenges. He was in school and he had to take medication, uh, he had mood swings, and uh he used to fidget from one end of the class to the other and by the end of the day, and uh we used to get teachers' notes and we had to get uh coach to assist and things that way. So that was the beginning, and then uh I did at the same time think about my own son, Kennedy. Uh, when he was growing up, uh he would probably sit on his math uh lesson or math homework, uh, which would probably take 10-15 minutes to almost you know an hour or two. And once while I was walking by uh and checking on him, he looked up at me and said, uh, I said, Hey Kenny, how's your homework going on? And he asked, Hey Daddy, you can you see the spider up there? I looked at the spider and he asked me, Why is the spider not falling down? So I had no answer, you know. I mean, I have of course I had an answer, but the question, the thing was, he was supposed to be doing his math homework and he is actually thinking, Why is the spider not falling down? Because the spider is heavier than air and it should fall down. Then I gave him the science of you know how the spider's feet are sticky and this thing. An hour later I'm walking back and I said, Hey Kennedy, you know, are you not done with your math homework? And then he looks at me in the eye and asks me a question. Daddy, I was thinking about the spider, and you know, if you can dream and I can dream, can the spider dream when it's up there? And I said, Well, I'm not a specialist, but you know, why isn't your math homework finished? And he said, Yeah, you know, I I want to finish it, Daddy, but I'm also thinking. So both kids, right? I mean, uh, one is uh my son, he is perfectly fine, but you know, he had he had time, he needed time to focus, and Preston uh had challenges. So while we were you know sitting and talking, and then uh I told um Brian, hey Brian, I think I know about an Indian firm uh who has done some research on attention, and I believe they are able to uh actually train attention back to kids children, it's not like attention is lost. They have done some research about eight, ten years, and they've been able to show how attention is a skill that's trainable, it's like a muscle. So if you can learn how to ride a bicycle once, and you don't have to learn bicycle riding ever again. If you train attention as a as a muscle once, you don't have to train attention ever again. Then you know he said, Hey, that's not possible. How is it possible? If that was possible, then why is the world not using it? And you know, so we had our own you know debate and all that. Uh, but we decided, hey, if it re if it is, then you know Brian did say, listen, George, if that what they're saying is true, I'll be customer number one. Okay, and that's what triggered where we are today, because I said, if you're going to be customer number one, then I think we need to look at it. And he said, It forget me, George, there are seven million parents in the US with children in ADHD, with children with attention and focus that are looking for solutions other than medication, looking for solutions other than a private coach, because you know, many parents can't afford it. 95% of the people can't afford private coaches for their children. I'm one of the lucky ones, but you know, um that if we can have this as a solution, I think we should explore it. And that was when we said, you know what, let's give it a shot and see what we can do. Because we both are extremely busy, very successful people, and we had no business in trying to figure out you know whether we need to solve attention as a solution, but we said if it can help others, let's give it a shot, and that's where we started, John.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

That's amazing. And so you were able, I I take it, uh, to get some funding and uh and then uh you you you somehow what what made you decide, you know, to use AI? How did that process develop?

SPEAKER_01 8:29

Yes, so what basically happened was uh when we realized and we did some due diligence, we visited India, we saw the tech, and we said, you know what, this is this is trainable, attention is trainable. If it is trainable, why isn't it that the world has you know taken it and you know gone ahead with it? And we said, is there any other global studies that are there that shows that this is trainable? Published data from Harvard, from Stanford, from I mean, so many universities are there. Research is going on across the world. And we were shocked to see that there were more than about 30 odd publications from the 1990s to you know uh late uh 2024 saying attention is trainable, there are 10 layers of attention, you know, sustained attention, divided attention, auditory attention, visual attention, and all these areas. People are, you know, all you need is to train it, and the evidence is there. So we said, okay, if you need to take it to market, you know, we just can't do it in in the classroom setting where we bring people and train them on attention and then uh take it. I mean, classroom setting is not is not going to take it to mass market, so how do we do it? And then we saw the Harvard labs and MIT labs coming with cognitive uh training and using cognitive games, and we said, okay, so why don't we use cognitive games? And then we brought in uh you know one of our AI specialists, uh Dr. Muruthy, who is uh a globally renowned AI uh you know data scientist and leading researcher from John Hopkins. He did his PhD PhD from John Hopkins, so he came in and said, I can actually make this uh workable through a bunch of AI tools so that you can have any child or any adult from anywhere in the world come inside and do the application, and the AI tool and AI coach will assist, and then we bring in a human coach to actually you know cross-check and verify and validate, and I think we have a model. And we said, Well, that sounds like a plan, but you know, to bring all this together, you need millions of dollars, and you just can't go back and say, you know, how we go about it, and then you need a marketing team because you need to actually go to the rest of the world, you need uh you know a product management team, you need a technology team, and all that. So we said, well, there's a mission, and there is something that we can actually impact the world, and not only you know the American world, but the rest of the world, and uh let's let's get started on it. And that's how Mindspring Innovations was born, and we started uh putting the pieces of the puzzle together, so we had the AI tech coming inside. Then we said, Well, we need more people, and so we asked uh one of our professors from uh Oxford University, uh Professor Lalit, uh, Professor Lalit, this is what our plan is. What do you think? And he said, This is mind-blowing because this is like you're defining a new category. Uh, nobody has ever done this before. This is a whole new category, and I'll be I'm willing to be part of it and work with you people to take this forward. And so we got Professor Lalith on board who was you know instrumental in defining how we go about and you know build this entire uh category through the uh putting the steps and guidelines in places, and then we said, okay, now we have got the category, we have got the product, and we said first we launch off for the children because that's where we started. And uh every parent we speak to, every parent, and we ask them what is one of the challenges and pain points that they have, and they will say the focus and training and attention of the children because they're seeing that the children's attention is going down. Now, if you step a moment back, John, let's step a moment back. What is actually happening here, right? In the 1990s and early 2000s and 2010, when Facebook and all the meta and TikTok came on board, they were making money only when a user consumes an app or ad and that they see, right? I mean, the more somebody is spending time on Facebook or Instagram and they see a program, the more time they spend an ad pops in and they make money because saying that okay, I've shown this ad to somebody. And right now we have data scientists and people sitting at you know TikTok and Meta in large conference rooms and buildings looking for ways to increase how uh somebody spends one more extra second on their platform, one more extra second, and they're paid in millions of dollars,$800,000, you know, information architect and you know retaining architect and all that, so$1.2 million if you go back through the salaries. These are PhD scientists sitting there trying to see how do they increase the audience to spend one more extra second? And what does a child do with it? I mean, you're sitting with a force and scientists sitting on the other side and an innocent child looking at a game or this one, and they have no way to know that this is deliberately planned and inserted so that you know the child's attention is taken out. Now, what happens to the children on the other side, right? So when the children or even we adults and we are looking at an Instagram uh you know, or Reel or something, we want a dopamine effect. So we are looking for instant gratification. We see something, we like it, we just press like, and immediately another thing comes, we like it. And before we know, half an hour is gone, 45 minutes is gone, one hour is gone, doom scrolling. Absolutely. So, what we actually do there is we just click on it, and every time the mind of our human mind, the attention is like you know, 30 seconds, 40 seconds, and another ad comes, and another video comes, and another video comes. So we are compressing our attention and you know, training it to only focus for 30 seconds, 40 seconds, one thing. Our deep work, about 10 minutes, 15 minutes, is gone because we have taken that deep work and started training it on this one and spending hours together on doom scrolling. For example, if a teenager today is getting 270 notifications per day, 270 notifications per day, that means every three minutes he is looking at his phone. And every three minutes, so where does he have the time to actually put his education and mind in a in a notebook or a school science and see how we can score marks because every three minutes he's being disturbed. And so that's where we are, and we said, you know what, this is not a small problem, this is a pandemic, a huge pandemic that is going to you know hit us within the next 10 years if we don't take control of it and if we don't stop it. And that's where we are, you know, today trying to see how we can stop this, how we can take our minds back, how we can train our children back, how we can provide them a better future.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

That's amazing. It is, it's is it's huge, I think. Um and so I'm I'm so glad that you're you're doing this. This is a huge service for really humanity. And um you know what what crosses my mind is so you're you know, we're always gonna have the effect you just talked about. Like I I don't I don't think that's ever gonna be sort of legislated out of our lives, it's only gonna continue to be there. And so your company is now tasked with countering countering those effects, right? Teaching the mind to focus for longer than 30 seconds, teaching people to go deeper, right? Uh and so are you seeing that this is a kind of battle, essentially? Like is it it would be one thing if uh if if none of this none of the social media stuff existed. You came out with this idea, it'd be amazing. I mean just like you said, your kid was thinking about a spider, it had nothing to do with the phone, right? Um and and this is also you know a sort of a pandemic, right? Just the ADHD and and all this kind of stuff. And so, you know, in and of itself, tea teaching teaching attention and focus that muscle is uh is is a challenge. And uh, you know, like exercising or any any other muscle type type building, it's it's critical for for quality of life and for success and productivity and all the all the wonderful and just well-being, just fundamental, you know, think of meditation, right? Think of the ancient practices of meditation and shamanic journeying, and this is what these things are are for as well. And now you've got you're you're you're competing with, you know, the the Facebooks and the Instagrams and the TikToks and TV even now is sort of you know streaming, so it's kind of doing the same thing, and and so we're surrounded by it. And I know I know there's movements for people to you know keep keep their children's exposure to these things minimal, but it's impossible. Even if you're a household that doesn't allow it, the kid gets into a group of other kids and they're passing around the the phone, and you know, so so it's inevitable. What what are you seeing in terms of that sort of battle? In other words, does it seem like your your company, your approach um is even I know you've got stats on the effectiveness in terms of measured testing and so on and so forth, uh 125% increase and so on. Are you are you seeing sort of anecdotal evidence of that with with with with groups study groups or people that are working with your product in terms of even outside of the test, are they less prone to then be interested in the in the phone? Like in other words, is it is it literally like pulling them? Not just in terms of stats, but is it is it changing their quality of life? It is, it is.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

So one of the areas of attention control, attention uh is impulse control. So you are being trained on increasing your impulse control. And what Meta and TikTok and everybody's doing is they're trying to reduce that impulse control.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

So, you know, so if you're able to I've I bought so many things on Facebook, I totally understand it's a real problem.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

I I mean you see something you like, you click, right? And click, click, click, click, and then suddenly you have a profile in you know in Facebook thing. So what we are seeing is children who undergrow the program, even adults who undergo the program, are building that impulse control, and they know, listen, I don't want to do this, I just need to stop it, and I just need to get back to my work. I just need to you know get into my you know focus area, my focus zone. Because we are rebuilding that uh ability of a child or an adult to increase their level of focus and attention on their regular work, and they know that this is something that is you know taking my attention away. And we and we coach them and we tell them uh even you take half an hour away a day, that is you're talking about you know, in a year, about fifty days going inside in into this thing, and you know, imagine in ten years, you know, this is it, and how etc. etc. So they understand that. And we say if you're going to think now the big question sometimes always I'm asked when I'm giving a speech is I've used internet and I've used computers to learn and I've used uh everything. So you mean to say that I need to stop using computers and I need to stop using my phone and everything because I'm cons I I've learned everything through it, and there's a stark difference between uh consuming and you being used. Today, what is happening is you are being used as a customer by Meta and TikTok and other uh social media and they can making money out of you without even you knowing it.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Right, right, of course, yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

So it's not you consuming it to improve your skill, you're at the other end, you know, it is consuming you. And so you as long as you know that whether you're consuming or you're being consumed, there's a stark difference. And the minute you know that you're being consumed, you know you know how to take control back and you know learn to live your life.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah, so from my perspective, I mean that's that's all about empowerment, and I think, and the power of influences, and I talk about this all the time, probably, you know, someone once asked the Dalai Lama what's the most important thing, and he said it's who you hang around with because of the power of influence, right? So discernment and influence, and it sounds like you're using that neuroplasticity, natural, you know, neuroplasticity concept to to increase uh discipline, essentially, and discernment. Which I think is just it it's i valuable not only for learning, but it's it's it's valuable outside of learning and just day-to-day interactions, right? Just what you focus your attention on. Energy flows where attention goes, you know, we've heard all these sayings. And so I think it's amazing. And I I wanted to ask you, um so you know, pe people have links and and people go to your your fundamental website to start with is what?

SPEAKER_01 23:00

So we have um attention hero as a fundamental website. We do have attentive kids. So we have got two uh for children, we have two special areas. One is for children with you know ADHD or uh that is uh physician confirmed attention issues. We have something, uh a website known as Brightly Wired. So brightly wired is for those kids and for normal kids who don't have any uh you know attention issues, but the parents feel that the attention is draining. We have attentivekids.com. So in attentivekids.com that they have their and one of the things we realized, John, is that when the parents came on board, they were doing for the children, and then their parents came back and said, hang on, we ourselves have problems with attention. We ourselves are doom scrolling.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

So it's like one household, two problems. Apart from the children, we also we have the adults. So in both these brightly wired uh.ai and uh attention, uh attentivkids.com, we are also got tools for parents so the parent is able to uh you know increase their attention, and then we have family uh cognitive games so the parent and the child can play together and they can see how their attention scores are increasing on their dashboard and uh they're able to increase their level of attention.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

That's amazing. So you have it, you've got all of it covered, and it's uh it's never too late for adults. We have just as much neuroplasticity as as kids, I would imagine, to some extent. And so so people, you know, uh you know, can go to those links, they can they can Google you, they can Google Mindspring, and they can find all those that way as well, I take it. Um and um so uh somebody goes, they they they sign up uh for for this uh for one of these you know plans, I take it. And um how much uh time would you ex would someone expect to put in in this training? In other words, how much per day or or whatever it is? What what's the what's the recommended amount of effort?

SPEAKER_01 25:22

So what we have seen in very successful programs where we are able to see more than 125% growth is 15 minutes a day is maximum we require, 10 minutes is good, 15 minutes a day, uh, because all these cognitive games are like 60 seconds, in 60 seconds, and you play only three games and then you make some notes and uh uh you know pick up the skill. What we are doing is the attention, uh we're increasing the attention through a habit. So every day you improve, improve, improve, and you know, slowly you pick up this attention skills and habit as a thing. And in about two months, you see more than about 100%, 125% increase. Then sometimes uh parents stay with us for almost six months because they just want to make sure they see the improvement in the child and they they visibly see the improvement in the child. Um, we have had uh even school teachers come back to us uh saying that in Germany we had put this in one of the schools there, the born international schools, and we had a parent come back to us after two months and said, I have never seen such improvement in my child over the last 18 months. I had a private coach, and in the last two months, my child has stopped getting teachers' notes, uh, is coming back and doing homework on time, is not questioning back too much. I'm I'm I'm actually thrilled with what has happened. And so we have got examples of parents who have had phenomenal success uh over in the US, over Europe and Asia, and today we have uh you know schools in these markets have reached us to us to us directly. So in the Middle East, we are speaking to uh 60 school chain. In the UK, we have got a school chain that's got 5,000 schools in 22 countries, you know, actually getting into a joint venture with us. We have got um schools in India, schools in the Philippines, Australia, uh Europe, and the US all uh coming to us. And with these are private schools initially, because for them they can take decisions faster, but uh over the next year or so we'll start rolling out to the K-12s and to the other schools in the US.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Amazing. And I I would imagine any any organization, right? Any especially corporations and so on that are interested in productivity and you know it's a competitive world out there would would benefit greatly from from offering this. So I think that's that's great. Now, what are you doing? Or let me just ask it this way, you know, what's next? Uh what's your vision? What what you know um how are you getting this out there uh besides podcasts like like mine? You know, what what would you like to see happening? What's next? Uh I I take it the company is gonna have to grow, you're probably hiring people and so on, but tell tell us tell us where you see this going.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

We see this uh going to all parts of the world, we see uh it also so what has happened, uh John, is that while we were you know working on the children's part, we were speaking to investors, and investors came back saying, Hang on a second, can you actually guys do this for you know adults? And uh because adults' office productivity is a mess. Uh we see uh people getting into meetings, they are you know half in the meeting, their mind is somewhere else. Uh you can see uh you know people speaking to each other, you know, but they're physically there or verbally, faces there, but their mind is you know wandering somewhere else. So is it possible to do office level productivity through this? And we said, yes, of course we can. Uh I had a mayor of you know one of the towns, uh, I'm not mentioning because he didn't want me to mention, but he was telling me, my the nighttime productivity of my workers, the nighttime product is only 32%. And he said, if you can do something to increase this by even 5-10%, I'm game. I've I will sign up for my nighttime productivity. So we are seeing this as an adult uh tool for the adult people in offices and complexes. And so we said, let's set up uh you know, zone in, and that's how we set up the second uh platform known as zone in for uh zoning in and having deep work productivity, and so we have large companies uh you know actually working with us in Europe, in the US and other parts of the world, you know, GE and all that are you know in enrolled, semens are enrolled into the program. Then we had uh adults coming 50 years above coming to us and talking to us in terms of can you help us increase our cognitive ability because we don't want to land up with uh Alzheimer's or any other areas, and we said yes, we can of course increase your attention, we are not doing anything else. So we came up with Stay Sharp Daily. That's the third platform for 50 years so that they could go inside, they could uh look at it and uh improve their cognition, improve their mental ability to be sharp and so that they can. And that's got a whole bunch of journaling and uh other healthy activities in the tool. While we were doing this, uh we had a chat with hospitals, and the hospitals came back to us saying, our hospitals are overwhelmed with doctors uh at junior level working not eight hours, 15 hours, 16 hours because of shortages. We have got nurses who are working 12 to 15 hours, and our problem is after seven, eight hours their attention goes down and they can make careless mistakes that is having huge consequences. Can you train our doctors? Can you train things? So we came up with Clarity Care as a tool to help with these doctors and things, and then we were so while we were speaking to consumers one after the other, we were seeing that this is a tool that's required for multi-level. I mean, so the transportation sector was a huge area. Um there are more than you know half a million transportation deaths happening in the world just because a driver is careless. How do you ensure that the you know, say UPS and um Amazon drive deliveries and there's all these large companies, at least where we can have a unified uh you know training program that they could think? So we came up with something for our transportation workers on how to improve their attention focus, and like that, we did it for athletes. Uh 80% is is mental and 20% is physical. If you are not there mentally, you will not win it. So, how do you increase that? And then we military command focus is for the military, you know, because you need to ensure that uh even during the dire circumstances you're mentally agile and sharp, and how do we do that? So we came up with about we have about now 11 platforms, and I think it'll go to another 12-15 platforms. So when you ask about our vision, we see us in all areas of life, uh, all industries where we are there because attention is the foundation for every skill enhancement. So if you don't have attention, whatever skill you have is it's tethering down, it's it's getting lost. So if you focus and improve your attention, everything else will come back there.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

And yeah, and you know, it it's amazing because I mean I'm so excited for this. This is I think this is incredibly important for humanity at large. And of course, you know, I was an engineer and uh and uh uh and practicing shaman and then yogi and you know, I I did all the spiritual practices, I still do. I'm I'm in church, I'm doing prayer, I'm doing things every day. And I mean it just automatically immediately it's like, yeah, I mean, this is a lot of of what of what uh those traditions have always because it's not just mental, it becomes spiritual, it becomes this you know, we're we're sort of uh we're we're integrated, mind, body, spirit, right? So it's in, as I said, where attention goes, energy flows. Our susceptibility to non-physical influences is is just as critical as mentally for productivity and so on and so forth, right? So a lot of these a lot of these ancient disciplines have uh were developed to to do this, right? But you have to meditate, you know, four hours a day for 18 years in the in the forest, right? And it's like not a lot of people are gonna do that anymore. Um and so I just I'm immediately thinking, wow, I I would love to see every every spiritual institution, organization, school, you know, sort of telling telling people about this as well. Because no, everybody's everybody's on a phone, you know. It doesn't there's very few people that have, you know, other than I like uh the Amish, for example, right? You know, but you can still get run over by one of their horse buggies, right? So it's not like it's not like there's anybody out there that's doing like zero technology. So, you know, I I'm excited because man, I I just I'm just so glad you reached out because I appreciate this opportunity to share this. I mean, with my own clients, with people who come to me for advice, with anyone that I'm you know, happen to be influential for. It's like I love that I can point them to something so well thought out, so so so you know, technologically legitimate and and research-wise, you know, medically neuro neurobiology and all these things, um, neuroscience. And so I uh I I can see that this is uh this is going to be a very very important thing and growing uh like you said everywhere. I I can't see any place this would not be useful in some way. And I love that it's only 15 minutes a day. I mean, that is easy, easy, you know, like for someone who spent hours a day meditating or chanting or doing rituals and ceremonies of all kinds. It's like you know, I think about getting on a on a little game, you know, essentially, it sounds like for 15 minutes, and it's like wow, I can do that. You know, so I'm I'm gonna go, I'm gonna get them on your website, I'm gonna I'm gonna download some of these things for myself and my family. I you know, I know uh I know everyone can benefit from this, especially the the students, you know, the the teenagers and the younger students, and so I really am grateful that you have uh you know that I that I f that you found me or we found each other here because this is uh this is big. This is really big. So thank you. Yeah, so you know if there's uh certainly uh if there's anything else you'd like to say before before we close up here, please please do. Um but I think this has been a really valuable discussion and uh I'm I'm really excited to to uh help people become aware of your of of Mindspring innovations and and the pro all these products you offer and that are gonna continue to grow, it sounds like and reach reach new new avenues and uh yeah. I thank you, John.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Thank you, John. So um, you know, three things. Um one is uh we'll definitely give you and your followers uh discount uh of 50% on any of the products that are there. So I'll send you all the details that uh they can look on board and uh probably for the first two months we'll also give it completely free so that they can use it. They'll they I I want them to you know experience it because that experience is is key for them to start winning and taking forward. So that's one. The second thing is what we'll also we what we also discovered was uh parents are highly stressed. So when in our conversation with parents, we saw that uh there's a whole bunch of stress levels that are there at multiple levels, even in the office, even in at multiple levels. And so we built an AI coach, an AI coach that is helping the children but also helping the parent. So if a parent is uh at 2 o'clock is having a burnout or issues, because uh when you're working with children with ADHD, it's usually the mother who takes the majority of the stress because the mother is more linked, and then you know, she has to manage a child, manage the income. They spend seven times more money than a regular child, and they have to manage the income, then they have to manage the child's tantrums and all that. So by the time it's end of the day, the stress level for a mother goes from you know 9.5 out of 10. Whereas for a regular you know, parent at home it's like five or six out of ten or six out of ten or seven out of ten. So uh so that's on one side. So we have built tools to remove stress for adults, uh including parents.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

Yeah, because this is part of the program we realized that one of the things we said is you know what, the and stress leads to cortisol, cortisol leads to a heart attack and a whole bunch of other areas, right? So we said, can we use this as a tool to reduce stress for parents and things? So we built a bunch of tools, and we'll share that with you, and uh, you know, we are seeing that's going to help uh the adult population, the parents and everybody who's having the stress, including in that office program, we saw that there's a whole bunch of office stress. They go to the AI coach there and they speak to the coach and say, Listen, my boss fired me today, how do I respond? Or, you know, that uh colleague of mine uh was snickering at me, bullying me, how do I respond? Uh, I'm not getting a promotion, should I resign? These actual people who never go and speak to anybody else, is speaking to an AI coach that's been trained on how to answer and give the right solution, and it's all uh we do not know who and all, but what we are saying is they go back and you know they're trained to give that AI coach support for the adults. So we will share that with you. We see this as a helpful AI is helpful, it's going to change the world. Uh and there'll be a lot of people who uh lose a lot of jobs, and we see that they can also be reskilled and retrained because the the future belongs to those who can adapt to change and who can adapt to reskilling. And so that's another big query we see in the chats coming up saying, uh, I'm, you know, will my job I'll I lose my job, what will I do? What how do I reskill? And we're seeing all that being trained and removing the stress for our adults as well.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Yeah, that's fantastic. I can I can personally attest to how good uh these these AI coach does. I created one myself, religious-based essentially, you know, like my shamanic work. And I'm I'm blown away. Like I just think this is better than I could have ever answered these things. And so, you know, it's it's it's the best, it's the best of humanity available. And the fact that your company is using this technology to bring out the best of humanity, right? Like the the light side of AI, of this tool. It's everything because when it all comes down to it, life always has contrast, there's pain and there's pleasure, there's it's struggles, there's ease, and it's you know, ideally 80-20, you know, good days versus tough days, bad things versus good, you know, good things versus bad things, but you know, anything over 50, 50 percent, uh, you know, you're winning. And so, you know, I love that um, you know, you're you have uh focused on that stress, of course, number one health health issue period. It causes all the things, right? And so I love that you're addressing that um with your your tools. Again, I just uh I'm a huge fan and I can't wait to share it and and you know thank you again for for coming on and and sharing this really, really important, hugely important, hugely valuable uh technology, the use of use of AI particularly and and all of the uh the science behind um attention and focus and stress. And so yeah, thank you so much. I'll look forward to getting all that information from you. I'll put it on the um you know all of my uh posts and links and we'll have that uh available to to our listeners. And I hope people share this most important thing I can think of sharing right now as widely as possible, honestly. Thank you so much, George. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

Thank you, John. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure speaking with you and warm greetings and blessings to all your listeners.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

Thank you. Likewise to you and your family, thank you.