Andean Shamanism and Hawaiian Huna with Chandra Sun Eagle - Part 1

Join Jon Rasmussen and Chandra Sun Eagle as they explore her journey through shamanism, sacred lands, and spiritual awakening. Discover the importance of discernment, surrender, and sacred stewardship in the path of a healer and spiritual guide.

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#shamanism #spirituality #awakening #sacred #sacredlands #discernment #healingarts #Peru #Hawaii#Huna #Lemuria #sacredgeometry #spiritualjourney #ayahuasca #retreat #sanctuary

key  topics

Journey into shamanism and sacred lands

The importance of discernment and protocols in spiritual work

The role of surrender and humility in healing arts

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Shamanic Healing and Journey

03:04 Chandra's Shamanic Journey and Training

05:50 The Call to Shamanism and Synchronicities

08:51 The Reluctant Healer's Path

11:51 Surrendering to the Journey

14:59 The Role of Service in Healing

17:59 Navigating Challenges in Healing Work

20:56 Finding Home and Community in Kauai

24:06 Stewardship of Sacred Land

27:10 Creating a Mystery School

30:05 Vision and Manifestation of Healing Spaces

32:09 Creating an Eco Sanctuary

34:46 Rebirth of Lemurian Energies

37:40 The Role of a Kahuna

39:38 Claiming Responsibility and Sovereignty

40:40 Universal Truths and Impeccability

49:20 The Journey of Service and Surrender

51:15 Experiencing Ayahuasca and the Call to Facilitate

01:00:16 Vision for the Future

guest links

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Book available on Amazon: https://a.co/d/06OgIn46

Book Website: https://lookingbackonthefuture.com/

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@chandrasuneagle2561

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Hi everybody, this is Shaman John Rasmussen, and my very special guest today is a shamanic sister of mine that we trained together many, many years ago, and um you know is a bridge between the seen and the unseen. Chandra Sun Eagle is uh an innate healer, shamanic ceremonialist, published author, visionary founder of Songko via Sanctuary, uh, with formal training in Andean shamanism, Hawaiian Huna, energy medicine, and indigenous ceremonies. Chandra combines ancient wisdom with modern practices to guide others on their healing journeys. She's been facilitating master plant ceremonies for over 16 years. She holds a degree in exercise physiology and brings over 35 years of expertise in the healing arts, including polarity therapy, craniosacral therapy, time massage, pranic healing, and sound healing. As a spiritual guide and author of Looking Back on the Future, Timeless Wisdom of the Andes as a bridge into the new era. Chandra also provides spiritual journeys to the Andes of Peru. Growing up in the mountains of Colorado, she developed a deep connection to nature and a holistic approach to life that embodies compassion, resilience, and joy. Known for her compassionate presence and exuberant spirit, Chandra's passion is helping others achieve liberation within, healing, and a sense of wholeness in body, mind, and spirit. So I'm really excited to have Chandra on the program. And I love her comprehensive experience and training. So thanks for coming on, Chandra. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Oh, thank you, John. I'm I'm really good, and I'm so happy to see you after so many years. And I wanted to thank you for creating this space for us to come together and share in the conversation of where we're at and these uh amazing times.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Yeah, no, I mean, this is it's been fun, and I love it. And you're right, we're in amazing times, right? Like, how like 20 years ago when we were training and all that, and it's like, okay, we got this, this stuff's great, we know what to do. We're gonna get everyone's gonna come and get healed, and man, by 20 years from now, we're gonna be living in, you know, in paradise. And it's like, well, well, patience has been uh one of the biggest uh lessons in that, at least for me. How are things tell me, please tell us, you know, like what's been your journey, right? People know my journey, they know me if they're on this channel, they you know, but I I love to hear um what you've been experiencing and and with your work and still experiencing and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Yeah, gosh, um where to begin without making this a five-hour story. Um yeah, I wanted to just say hello to your listeners as well. And um gosh, um, it's been uh a beautiful wild adventure, I would say. And that that sort of fits with my soul, my spirit. Um yeah, so when we met in 2003, yeah, in in Peru.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Right, right. It was on a Peru trip. With the four winds, I believe, right? It was with the four winds, the healing the life body school.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Yeah, yeah. And I believe you went to Al Sangate and I went to Salcantay.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

Right, which for our listeners, Ausangate is the Karao tribe's holy mountain, uh, that essentially I think represents the masculine, and Sal Cantay represents the feminine, just in a nutshell, right? And and uh so different different energies and different purposes. I think Al Sangate was the easier one, and Sal Cantay was the harder one, which was why I went to Al Al Sangate, because you being this athlete from you know Colorado, and you know, uh yeah, me me being uh pretty much a couch surfer at the time, I think it was appropriate.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

But we were all in the Sacred Valley for a while together in Machu Picchu, and yeah, really magical times until we made the separate separate journeys. And yeah, you know, I was called to Sulk and Thai. I was um, it was my very first uh shamanic training with the four winds, and I didn't start in the typical south direction. I was going to, and then I don't know, something just told me I was supposed to take a different course. So um I was thrown into the um one of the uh I don't know if you call it a master class or you know, a right.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Yeah. A little bit out of order, but that's okay. That's how I did the same thing. Because you probably, like me, I think you got to this because you'd been doing, I mean, we're born this way, right? Essentially, we're born with these with these funky gifts, right? And and we're confused most of our life if we're not raised in Indigenous culture as to why are we so strange and what are we picking up on. And then we try a bunch of different things, and then like I did discovered, you know, the shamanic training, which is a beautifully comprehensive thing that pulls it all together and gives you the ability to do this and stay safe. And and you go, okay, well, I'm just gonna follow where I where I'm called, right? So you you know, you jumped in to a master class, which again, you know, while you went to Salkantine, I went to Al San Gati, but you know, definitely more. But anyway, so is that right?

SPEAKER_01 6:45

So basically you got involved in this, and then you well, I had been, yeah, and I had been in the healing arts for a while. I was studying, uh, I was just beginning my polarity therapy studies. I had been on Vision Quest working with some Lakota women. Um I had learned Thai massage, and um so yeah, I was in it and I just was hungry for more. I just felt like there was more, and the dreams began and the visitations uh from the spirit world, and the the theme of the dreams was um other lifetimes, you know, sometimes being um a medicine woman, sometimes being a medicine man, distinctly three different cultures, or uh which was Hawaii, um lands in those landscapes in those dreams were of North America and South America. So, like you said, I just I followed the guidance until something very synchronistic happened. A woman came to my um get a time massage, and she was in a deep state of relaxation and sat up in the middle of it and said, When are you gonna become the medicine woman that you are? And then like flopped back down. And I was like, whoa, that was intense. So uh after at the end of the massage, I said, I don't know, we were just kind of talking, and I was curious if she was gonna remember what she said, and and she didn't. Um and I kind of let it go. But then she mentioned um this uh woman that was coming that represented uh the Four Wind Society and was gonna be offering sessions. And she said she's a uh assistant to Alberto Bialdo. He's written this book, Shaman Healer Sage, and that was when my whole body just like lit up, you know, and for a good six months to a year before that, I was like, I was doing what I was doing and loving it, but also, you know, feeling a little bit, you know, what's there's something more. And so she left, I hopped on my bike, went to the bookstore, got got that book, and just you know, devoured it. And on a on a soul level, I understood it and on a mind level, I was like, well, you know, like how can this be? Like you said, you know, I wasn't I wasn't raised in an indigenous culture, you know, I was living in LA at the time. And so anyway, I had a I did end up having a a session with uh Linda, and um there was a major soul retrieval that happened, which then she said, you know, I get the sense that you're supposed to be in proof with us in a couple of months. And I was like, Yeah, I think that's right, but I feel like I need some maybe a little preparation. And she's so you know, guided me toward the uh light body school and the the medicine wheel work. And, you know, I only had a couple of months, and so I was like, what was really fitting with me was this description of this course called um reading the signs of destiny. Because that's what I was really, I was like, I want to understand myself, all this that's awakening, these visitations, like this is a lot, and I don't have, I didn't have a teacher or a guide to help me, you know, kind of piece it together. So I got into that course and Alberto was uh teaching part of it, which was really fortunate because he wasn't he wasn't always in all the all the classes, and um, you know, one night he took from his mesa, or we were able to come to his mesa and choose a tone stone to sleep with, which we were to put on our third eye and sleep with that. So that night I as I was falling asleep, I kept I felt this presence next to my bed, and it was whispering salcantai, salcantai. I'd never heard the word before. And um I had a dream that night of Alberto kind of morphing in and out of a hummingbird, and he shot an arrow from his heart to my heart, and he said, Are you gonna answer the call? So I I woke up in the morning a little bit like not really remembering much, and then as I was driving to class, uh it started coming back, and then of course, the first thing that Alberto announces it was um in class that morning was the mountain journeys coming up, and one was to Salcantay, and I was like, that's that word, and so I I approached him afterwards and I said, uh, I told him about the dream, and he said, Well, are you gonna answer the call? And he's like, you know, we have a couple spots left. So that's how I got to Sal Cantay, which um was just uh an amazing journey.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Yeah, you know, I I love that. It's such a great story because it's very similar to my experience, these synchronicities. Somebody says a word, a little while later, you have a dream, then you hear the word. I mean, this is this is that alone, the process alone of how people like us get called to do work as strange to us as this, right? Who uh weren't raised in a culture where they recognize the little shaman at age four and said, Okay, you're the next shaman and boy, we're gonna start your training now. I mean, some of those, you know, the the indigenous, the cultures that still recognize it, still still do that. And here we are, you know, floundering in our modern Western cultures, but it doesn't, we're still Homo sapiens, we're still born with these gifts, you know, some people, and um, and have lost had lost the context for it. And if it wasn't for what just happened, you know, what you just described, if it wasn't for these odd synchronicities, like we would be pretty thick. Most people would be, at least I I'll speak for myself, a little bit too thick to like think I'm gonna be a shaman. Like, like I just read a cool book, and that's what I want to do. It's like, no, you know, like I needed the the sort of the hammer over the head of that person said this, then this person said that, and the next thing you know, you show up here, and it's the vision that you have. Like, I I think people need to like get it, right? Because one of the beautiful things of of creation of this world, in my experience, is the magic, the miracles, the synchronicities, the things that are odd that shouldn't happen. You think of somebody they call. To me, that's just like, yes, there's there is something going on beyond what we can see, and it knows what it's doing. And it's, you know, and uh, and of course, people, some people will say, well, you know, that's not all always good. Sometimes it could be a negative force trying to direct us. And it's like, you know the difference. If you have any discernment and you have any, you were already a healer, you already came into the world in different forms. You knew you wanted to help people, you wanted to be friendly, kind, generous, you wanted people's souls to light up and to be healed and for the world to become heaven on earth. I mean, these were the starting points of how you and I and others like us were born. And then when you start to ask, well, what do I do next? What would be my path? How could I expand my work? How can I help more people? And then you start to get these beautiful synchronicities from like-minded people who you know are also good people, and it's also good work, and it has zero to do with making deals with negative entities or beings, which is sorcery. I always talk about it's a whole different ball game that I would not want to get involved in, and I don't think is a good thing. But, you know, like when these things are happening, it's beautiful and it's worth following, it's worth following up on, it's worth exploring, right? Like, I mean, where would you be if you went, nah, no, no, no, this is all ridiculous. I'm not signing up for any of this stuff, right? I mean, am I right?

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Like, yeah, totally. No, I I I hear what you're saying, and I don't I don't know where I'd be. Um, and I honestly, you know, when you have you know, uh my my prayer was how can I be of service? Because I knew that being of service would bring fulfillment for me. And you know, I I would say that this um you know, this journey has been a like just a full remembering. And I want to re I want to remember the totality of who I am. And you know, I've had experiences like very profound, it very aware of my oneness and out of body looking down at my body, and all of these things were I I would say that they weren't a um, you know, I wasn't like I gotta reach enlightenment or like I've gotta open, I gotta learn how to open my third eye, or I wanna be a channel. I didn't even, you know, I wasn't even like, oh, I want to be a shaman. Like I had resistance to it all, which told me and wouldn't stop. You know, the callings wouldn't stop, the dreams wouldn't stop, and I'd be like, Yeah, yeah, you know, I just, you know, I don't know, I'm gonna be a little my surfer girl, and I want to live a life of joy, but I also want to be of service. And it's like, as Alberto says, you know, it's like we call on spirit, and the flip of the agreement is when spirit calls on us, we answer.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Yes. Yeah, the reluctant healer, right? That the I love it because it just feels so authentic to me when there is that part of us that understands on some level that this is not the easiest life choice. This is not this kind of service, as with many, I mean, whether you're a missionary in a in a religion or you're you know teaching or helping people in third world countries, war-torn, like reporters, like there are certain war teachers, you know, that you know, grade school teachers, like there is certain work that's heroic, right? That you don't necessarily do because you got a smile on your face from ear to ear because it's like the funnest thing ever. It's cool when neat things happen. But honestly, to me, this kind of work is typically that like, wait, you know, I'm uh yeah, Alberto did say it. He goes, you know, you call on spirit or you call on on power, you know, and service, and um and it finds you at three o'clock in the morning before you had your coffee and it drags you out of bed and says, Let's go. And it's like, I mean, you know, ER docs understand this. Like these are all like different forms of medicine people in in different um lines of work. But I think anyone in any of that kind of work, um, being a mother for goodness sake, right? Like deciding you're gonna spend 18 years taking care of this being, and I mean, it is heroic, and it's not easy, nor I would venture to say, is it as fulfilling in the sense of how many times have you you had people say wow, you must you must love your work, or boy, you must be really happy to go to work every day, and you're like, uh it depends how many demons I'm extracting from this person today. You know, like it's like and then the training is no praise, no blame, right? Because you get in the way if you're doing it because you want to feel good and helpful. The paradox is part of our shamanic training, especially this beautiful training in the four winds, was if something really good happens, you didn't do it. You held space, you called on spirit, the person healed themselves, you facilitated or whatever. And so, you know, don't get all pumped up about it. Like 10,000 successful sessions later, the the next one, you're going, God, I hope I know what I'm doing and I hope it works. And geez, I don't, I'm a fraud, I don't know how to do this stuff, you know. That's the true shamanism, right? And then when something, you know, that way of something, you know, you can't control people's free will, so you do some beautiful work, but they still go out and do something to kind of get wounded again or or mess themselves up in some way. You also can't go, oh geez, I failed. You know, I'm a failure. I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go back to something else. Does that I mean what do you think? Have you had that experience? Because that's been mine. Like, this isn't exactly like the easiest work.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

No, I I or yes, I have, I have had a lot of that. And I I realized that, you know, once I did say yes, and you know, here I am on this journey in Peru, and all these signals and synchronicities and literally like time stopping in the mountain of Alcingate, like or sorry, sulk and tie washing through me, I still was like, well, I'm not sure yet. I need to think about it, you know. So when I did say yes, and I've had to say yes, you know, many times throughout the past, um, it was like, you know, it was like an eagle or a condor. It was like they just came down and put their claws in my back and my shoulders, and it was like, okay, she said yes, grab her. And then that was in that moment, I knew that my life was not my own. You know, it was like this paradox of yes, I signed up for this. And if I want to be really true to my prayer of being of service and awakening within me all that I came into this lifetime to sort of, you know, reincarnate into like I I gotta, I gotta surrender. And, you know, to me, surrender is not passive, and it's not uh it's about holding that discernment and developing your integrity. And um, yeah, it's been a path of initiation. So, you know, I think two years after being in Peru for the first time, that was uh the dreams of these beautiful uh feminine forces in the form of plants and vines started would just come night after night and were giving me these visions of this mystery school that I needed to start. And and uh synchronicities happened in 2005. I moved to Kuwait. So it was it was a very like once I said yes, it was like this acceleration of um go here, now go there. Okay, you're gonna move here. Here that was um, you know, Kauai was home. I had meaning I had been there several times, felt like it was a home. And at the same time, it was like, well, wait a minute, maybe I was, wasn't I supposed to be down in Peru? Because that's what was like, you know, really, I don't know, the the lands and everything speaking to me. And it was like, no, you're gonna go live on Kauai and you're gonna be going to Peru. And at the time when I moved to Kauai, you know, I, you know, talking about just this like authenticity with who we are as a human, and then awakening, you could say, our, you know, more of our spirit gifts. And yeah, there was definitely doubt that that that would come in. And I've I often would joke that like when I got to Kauai, I felt like I was searching for my tribe and I was, you know, going out and meeting people and also presenting, you know, like I I do these the shamanic healing and blah, blah, blah. I couldn't pay people. I was like, I could I I couldn't pay people to come get a session with me. And it was so odd because before that it was like it was I was flourishing in my work and I was like, what does this mean? And there was a period of like two weeks where I felt I wasn't sick, I didn't have a fever, but I could not get out of bed. And that was so not like me. Like I was like a little energizer bunny. And I felt like I had just this massive Hawaiian mama laying on top of me saying, You need to learn how to surrender. And I already thought I I had surrendered, you know, and I was like, Yeah. I would just surrender and I would lay there, and then, you know, it's like I'd get up, get a little food, a little water, and it was like, I gotta go back to bed. So this went on for a couple of weeks, and then I don't know, finally I had exhausted myself and surrendered. And was like, okay, I can get up. And I went to the ocean and I surfed. That lasted for about two days, and I was like, okay, I gotta get back on my like meeting people and letting people know I'm here. Because you know, I was a little bit also in that survival mode of like, well, I gotta make some money.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

And um, I know this is a little off topic what you were asking me, but as I mentioned what before we were talking, I can just kind of let myself Yeah, no, it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

I love it. It's good stuff because it's making me think of some things, you know, like about how when you go into a new a new space, a new culture, a new land, a new history, new energetics.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yes, new energetic signatures.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Yeah, you you which you know if you're if you're sincere in this journey of shamanism, which I always consider to be the open system, right? Like the it's not it in spite of the way it's taught sometimes where you have to teach a certain basic pro set of processes and set of ways of doing it, and it and it is somewhat culturally based. For example, the Andean versus the jungle shamanism with the plants versus different parts of Peru. And then, you know, then yes, you've got the Hawaiian Huna, and you've got you've got Same in Finland, like you it's it's everywhere, it's it's all over the planet, but it is colored by the energy and the space and the history and the names and the language of of where you are. And but if you're sincere, you as a shaman you remain humble, which is like homous, open, open soil, right? Good planting soil, it's airy. You remain able to continue to learn and grow and expand and take on new knowledge. We if anything, we're comfortable with the unknowable, right? In the unknown. Like we know that there is a ton of stuff, in spite of how many years we've been working, that we're still gonna learn and we're still gonna we're still gonna grow. Don't know how, don't know where, don't know from where. And you might show up at a place like you did, which I think is beautiful, and go, I thought I had this dialed, and then just be slammed, and go, No, sister, you need to chill and you need to let this stuff absorb into your into your openings, your humus, be humble. Um and then, you know, that now you've got another piece to your medicine, like my original Native American medicine woman teacher said. We all've got like rainbows, which is like a barcode. We've all got different color, each healer has a different set of colors based on their history and their DNA and their location and where they learned and their teachers, and so and that the people who will come to you will will resonate with that set of colors, and they'll go to someone else if they resonate with someone else. You're not here to heal everybody, obviously. There's gonna be a small group of people that are gonna be the your clients, but it speaks to that because it's like you added, you got upgrade, you know, you added some colors when you went to Hawaii that I don't have like I am not hugely uh adept, nor spent enough time with Hawaiian Huna to say that, right? Um and yet you you you do have that, and it's powerful. We know it's powerful. I mean, I know enough about it, I've been around enough Hawaii and Hawaiians to know that that's intense fire, that's intense work. That's not for the faint of heart either. And it um all of this stuff is right, isn't it? Alberto who says, you know, this is work that's fraught with opportunity and danger. You don't you don't do this work thinking, you know, I'm safe because we're not, right? So continue on with your story, please. So you got the training in Hawaii somehow. Well, tell you tell, you tell me.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I got to the island and was living in a house, and one of the uh events that I saw was a winter solstice um sound healing with this woman, and I just knew I was supposed to be there, and it was way beyond just the sound healing. Well, it ended up being at this beautiful octagon space in Kahuna Valley. And so I was driving up the road and I crossed this little bridge, and you're right up against this amazing mountain called Makaleha, and which is to see something of such beauty that you're in awe of it. And I was in awe. I had to pull the the my Jeep over and just pause. And I just my whole body again was vibrating with energy. I pull up into this the space where the octagon was, and um, the first thing that this woman announces is that there were certain lands in the Kahuna Valley that uh were for sale, and that her prayer, because she didn't live there, but I think wanted to live in the valley, but also um uh was thinking about purchasing one of these uh properties, her prayer was that the right stewards, and you know, we we talk about this path of service. It's like we're we are stewards, stewards of the safety and stewards of the land, right? Stewards of the wisdom and stewards of the love and stewards of ourselves. And she says, so I would just like to ask that, you know, if we can all hold a collective intention that the right stewards of this valley, and it's not developers that come in, will come in and be able to have the resources that they need. And I was like, I was like a little kid. I was like, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it. I was so excited. I was like jumping out of my seat, and she was kind of looked at me and smiled. It was a beautiful, beautiful night, a beautiful evening. Um, the next morning I woke up and I was like, I have to go back to that valley, and I gotta like, I love to ride my bike um, wind my hair and going slow, and you know, and I love to walk, and that's how I connect with lands and areas. So I was like, I gotta go back there. So I rode my bike up there. I passed the property that had the octagon and it got to the next. It was a five-acre parcel, and uh nothing had been built on it, no one was living on it. And I just like my whole bot, I said stop. I stopped, I looked over this gate, and there was, you know, very jungly, obviously, the garden island. And there was one tree in the middle uh of this, the lower portion of this property, and there were all these amazing beings, light beings, and beings I didn't even recognize. Some I recognized from my heart energetically, and they said, Welcome home. And I was like, Okay, uh, I've I wanted I want to be home. And I I I I went home, I had a few friends, and I was like, we have to buy this land, we have to come together, and we have to buy this land. Yeah, it's a million dollars, Chandra. I'm like, I know, but we you know, like you you guys have said you want to be part of this vision that's coming together, you know, this sort of mystery school, and to be stewards of the sacred. So here's our land, like let's make it happen. So we were able to make that happen about a year later. And I was scared, like you said, you know, it's like this path, I I because the energy was so big and so powerful, and I didn't know if I had what it took. I didn't know like what I was in for. And um it was I was there for uh 11 years, ended up developing kind of an eco-sanctuary where I could host sleep about five or six people. So living with the elements, but also protected. And um it was people that would come to that land that would like drop on their knees and cry. Like they, it was such a pure portal of coming home. And it was such an honor. And it was boy, I went, you know, I went through the initiations, but on that land, the there was this kind of uh grove of of trees, and I was like that, it just always kept calling me in, and I had to do a lot of uh like kind of energetic clearing. And once I did, I sat down and there were these big, huge uh pohaku, big stone people, you know, record keepers. And so I went, I went to one of them, put my hands on, and I said, just tell me why I'm here, tell me what you want me to do. And um the one the one stone said, You're you're here to rebirth the the energies and the codes of Lemuria, the motherland.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

It's like okay, that sounds big, okay. And I went to another stone, and it almost looked like a almost like a queen. She had these beautiful flowers and vines growing up her back, and she said, You're here to help um the assistants with the the uh the queen sitting back on her throne. And I was like, you know, again, one of those things of like, am I making this up? I'm like, I don't think I could make this up, actually. So I asked questions. I said, You mean the the queen of Hawaii, like Queen Liliokulani, who was, you know, overthrown illegally, um, and said, No, no, not the not the queen of of Hawaii. And I said, Okay, the queen of Lemuria, how about let's go with the galactic queen? And that was like, wow, okay, what does that mean? So there was a uh that was where I made my fire ceremony uh temple, and then I had a water temple and an earth uh and a wind temple. So all the elements were represented. I had a sweat lodge, so it would run ceremonies for the community and whatnot. But through all of that, through making having all those offerings available to people, the thing that I was most pushed for and through, John, was that I had a I didn't, I was told very specifically how sacred that land was. And when this Hawaiian kahuna came and said, okay, who's the steward of this land? And I pulled all my land partners forward, he said, No, this is your responsibility. You are the Kahu, you are the gatekeeper of the sacred here. And I was like, so that that responsibility and that like, whoa, am I can I really do this? You know, it's um and he he guided me a bit, and we had um rituals and ceremonies on the land. And the thing that pieced Peru together for me there was like, okay, that wasn't just something that I did, but he said in his um blessing of the land and you know, introducing me officially to the last lineage of Kauai and whatnot, then he said, now call your ancestors in from Peru. And he didn't even know my journey of Peru. And so I sang my songs, and there was this beautiful meeting and weaving of this, of these ancestors. And he looked at me and he said, you know, it was like in in his own Hawaiian storytelling uh kind of riddle way, it was like, this is a big journey for you. This is this is big initiation. And um so during my growth there, my my uh offerings to people and to community, you know, it was like I had this responsibility, I wanted to uphold it, but I also didn't want people to think I had an ego and was exclusive, because as we know, this path is not exclusive. And yet I had gotten specific directions from ISIS and the Galactic Queen about sacred geometry to lay into my land with crystals to set up the original structure, geometry, and codes of the ISIS mystery schools. And I was I needed to operate as that main guardian uh facilitator, and that required being very discerning. It was like stand on your altar. And when I when and they were like, you know, this is a mystery school. And in the ancient mystery schools, the initiate had to go through chambers. You learn certain teachings, right? And then you go into life and you practice you put that into practice. And you come back and you are, you know, tested in whatever way, and then, okay, great, you've gotten that. You're allowed now into the next chamber. Like you don't just open all the doors and let everyone come into the heart because they're not ready for it energetically, spiritually, mentally, emotionally. And that's my was my responsibility to recognize what somebody was ready for, what level of ceremony were they ready for, et cetera, et cetera. And that went against me wanting to be just inclusive, be seen as inclusive, not seen as exclusive or egoic. And when I didn't follow that protocol, John, I invited in energies and um, maybe people that didn't even know they were carrying certain energies. And it was like I would invite mess into my life and into my land. And it was like I would get thumped over the head by the ancestors of that land. And they're like, how many times do we have to tell you? Like you were given this responsibility for a reason. Had nothing to do with your ego or what you wanted. In fact, you kept saying no. And if you don't start listening to us and following these protocols, you are going to invite bigger and bigger messes into your life. And I finally got it. And it was like stand in your altar, claim who you are, claim what has been given to you, claim what wants to come through you, and know that it is not ego. It is of your heart, it is of your soul's path. And once I finally got that, like life smoothed out. And I think that that is a really important teaching for everybody. It's like, you know, this time that we're living in, and you know, this the beautiful piece of the Andean prophecy of the Tari Pai Pacha, this this golden age that we're coming into. You know, we're in the purification stage, we're in the destruction phase. And yet the invitation is to come into our divinity, and that that piece of the prophecy of this is a time of encounter, you know, of remembering our divinity, and uh, you know stepping into that, claiming it, and um holding that right now is like the I feel the most important thing that any of us can do for the world at this time. And it's not from ego, and it's not about I'm right and you're wrong, or my past right, and yours isn't about that at all. But like claiming that sovereignty and the um the genuine authentic self, like being so real with yourself, no matter what how anyone else perceives it, thinks about you, any of that.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Yeah, though I mean that's just so beautiful. Thank you so much for that, because it you just kind of covered some some like key key things. One, this is all universal, it doesn't matter where you are on the planet, these these truths are universal, they hold true, you know, being impeccable, right? That's a lot of what you just described. It's not about being a perfect saint and never making mistakes and etc. etc. But it is about remembering and acting upon the responsibility that you have as a steward and as a facilitator and as a person of service. You you the impeccability is not because you're being judged, the impeccability is because if if it's a mess, it's so much harder to get anything done. You keep your place clean, you keep the energy clean just so that you can get the basic stuff done, right? And then I loved when you said, you know, I asked you gotta start asking questions. Like part of the problem with our funnel lobe and our ego is all the assumptions and all the things we think we can figure out. And we can't. Like you have to accept, no matter how experienced, how knowledgeable, how much you've learned, how smart you're you are, clever or IQ or whatever, like you you the best thing to do is to keep asking questions, right? Like, tell me more, what does that mean? What am I listening to? Which one is it? You know what I mean? Like that was genius, right? Like, witch queen, what are you talking about, right? And like so, you know, and then discernment. I mean, my goodness, right? You it's universal, you've got to be impeccable, you've got to ask questions, and you've got to be discerning. I mean, this is true across the board, and particularly as the shaman or the healers or the medicine people, right? Where or or or really kind of a of a leader or or an example of any kind or a teacher. Like it's it's again not about being more perfect, but it is about recognizing the responsibility that you've placed upon yourself and then practicing the discernment, right? Which is just always I can't I can never emphasize with people enough that discernment is so important for all these reasons. Not because it's a judgment, not because something's good or bad, and and you shouldn't judge, but really because it requires discernment to to function, right? To basically like navigate sure you're not messing around with the wrong stuff and going down the wrong path. And and you know, what was our teacher Alberto would say, you know, um like for example, when you go to the jungle and you do ayahuasca, let's say, or something. Like that, right? Like if you don't have a good ayahuasquero, someone leading the ceremony that can hold a tight space and and which is discernment, right? Keep that out, let that in. Um it can set your healing journey back three years. Like you could you think you're going to like do a final piece of your and if there's not enough discernment and there's not enough of these things that have been taken into consideration, it can just simply mess you up. It could just set you back. Right? It's it's not good or bad, it's just majorly inconvenient, right? And a waste of energy and potentially harmful.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

And so you you just I just love how beautifully not only you articulated that, but clearly you live it and you you practice it in a way that I'm personally in awe of. I wish I even you know uh had that. And it's like um and and then you take certain places, and we've we were also taught this, what we call what they call in Quechua the Waka, right? Where the veil between the worlds is thin, where the that is very conducive to communication between the physical and non-physical worlds or dimensions or time and space, back in time, forward in time, like Lil Maria and the future, and and um and the impeccability, right, is even more important there just because the consequences are greater. Same thing with the ayahuasca ceremony and so on and so forth. So when and and so you I I felt this on Kawhi. I went to Kauai, I and didn't have your kind of space holding available. Like in other words, I was just goofing around and whatever, and being and I got hurt, like I got physically hurt, you know, and it's like it's like what? And it's like, oh yeah, I forgot, I should have known. Like Hawaii is not the place you mess around, like you don't goof around. You've got to be extra impeccable in wakkas in places where not only is the earth still coming out of the mantle mantle, right? Like, in other words, this is where like the earth is still rapidly growing and changing, but the spirits of that, right? You know that there's the everybody should know, and I think they maybe know by now that there's those which like to assist you and facilitate you and free and empower you, the benevolent ones, right? The the angels, uh depends what language you use and what your culture and your background, your religion is, but there's but there's beings that want to help, and then there's the ones that want to eat you, they want to take your soul, they wanna they wanna just get you to to fall, to to kill yourself, to whatever. Those are the demons, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:36

Or they want to seduce you.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Well, yeah, any which way they can to steal your power, your sovereignty, right? Like you said, there's so many ways they they act. And without impeccability and discernment, you're kind of a sitting duck in a lot of ways. Like you need some, or you need serious, serious protection. Um and uh I just think you articulated that really beautifully, and I appreciate that. You know, and that you experienced it, that you actually it helps to go through it, it helps to like have the contrast of, oh yeah, I messed up, and boy, did I pay a price for that.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Yeah, like we're not speaking out of books here. We're not you're not speaking from something you read in a book. Like this is lived, lived knowledge. Lived knowledge it's the hard way, but it's good, it's good to do it.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

But it you know, anything with depths is gonna be difficult at times. And to me, anything worth living is deep. Doesn't mean it's not joyful, because I'm all about joy and playfulness. That's that's sacred that sacred play. Um but it's um yeah, it's it's a it's a depth that requires, you know, kind of a warrior spirit, you know, one that can get knocked down and get back up, and one that can serve and and know who they're serving and why they're serving it, and um be able to acknowledge, you know, if we've gotten off into the weeds a little bit and pull ourselves back, acknowledge if we've, you know, maybe not been right or projected something into the world that was um yeah, not not in uh Pono, not in right relationship, and recognize that and correct ourselves and to be the to be in some ways the watcher of ourselves, you know. And yeah, so that you know, I continued when I was in Hawaii, I was then uh going back and forth to Peru. And when I was um I was in a gathering, um I guess it was about the end of 2007, and um this and I had continued to study with a few other um Andean teachers, and just you know, no one holds all the pieces of the puzzle, no one holds all the information. And so I made journeys to many other mountains, uh, went to Bolivia, Island of the Sun, whatnot, and and um yeah, so I was back in this gathering or back in the Sacred Valley in 2007, and part of I was with a friend, and I was sort of mentoring her a little bit. She had just gotten into the light body school, so I was kind of mentoring her a little bit along the way, and there was an ayahuascarin in the circle, and this was sort of a circle of medicine keepers and um different healers, and um at that point I had already been to the jungle. I had been and worked with grandmother ayahuasca and felt that was which was extraordinary, and I won't, you know, I don't need to go into that that journey, but my my uh my intention was to meet the absolute. I wanted to know what existence really truly at the core was about because there's a lot going on down here, and there's a lot going on in the realms and what ties it all together, and that was my intention, and it was a very, very, very intense journey in the jungle with just me, uh friend and uh the Iowa Scaren and his apprentice. And somehow, John, I I didn't throw up, I didn't move for five hours. Somehow I knew how to navigate, and it was like it was like someone turned 10 TV screens on at the same time, all the things that were some relevant, some not relevant, some trying to distract me. And I just was holding my prayer. I'm like, just take me to the meeting, take me to the center, take me to the core, Mother Earth, Pacha Mama, you know, just in prayer. Well, that that journey through many cycles of life and death and watching everything die, including my parents, and feeling my entire body um disintegrate and melt into the jungle and me becoming one with it and losing my identity of my idea of I don't know, of physical form. But what came out of it was um at the end, everything went just dark, including when my eyes were open, there were no stars in the sky or anything. And I was like, okay, there there is no meaning, like it's emptiness, it's what like I make the meaning, I don't understand. Like so I was like, okay, just take a deep breath. It's okay, just take a deep breath. And out of the cosmos, this dark void space began to come streams of rainbow, and you talked about the rainbow, streams of rainbow light coming through, weaving together, and one letter at a time that was like reverberating throughout all dimensions, all time and space was the letter L O V E. And this transmission of this munai in the Andean tradition, which means unconditional love, service, that fabric that weaves everything together through my whole body and just like waves of it. And I was laughing and crying and like trying to jump up and down at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

I think I I think I got it. Okay, so this is my mission to return to that state, hold that state. So fast forward back to 2007. I'm in this circle, it's coming to a close. My friend really wants to sit with the tea, wants to sit with grandmother, never has. She says, Will you ask Javier, the iOS Garum, who's here, if he has um, you know, a ceremony planned, and will you sit with me? Will you go? And I was like, I don't know. I'm not, I don't know. I feel pretty complete with that medicine. And I was like, I and I just heard this, yes, you need to. So I said, okay, I'll ask him. And Javier was kind of an intense guy, um, very loving and very sweet, but had these eyes that was just like, man, those are so piercing. And he said, My friend is not drink. I have, um, but we're we're gonna be here in proof for a while longer. Do you have a ceremony that we could join? And he he looked at me and he took his glasses off and he said, Yes, I've been planning your ceremony. It's this night, da-da-da. And I was like, uh okay, and I just kind of like took it lightly, you know. I was like, I don't want to hear that. Like planning ceremony, like so that ceremony, um, he had me sit right next to him. And in that ceremony was when uh grandmother was taking me back into lifetimes in the jungle and serving the medicine and healing people with the various uh plants and reminding me of well, she didn't remind me. She said, I I need you to facilitate our ceremonies. And I said, Thank you so much. I am so honored that you would ask me that, but I don't know that I want that job. You know, it's a big job, and I can't move to the jungle for two years to apprentice. And she just was quiet and sweet and loving, and then she'd kind of come over onto this side and like wait for me, and then I'd be taken back to the jungle of that time and singing and brewing the medicine and just that, and then I'd come back into the space where I was physically, and I'm like, I can't move to the jungle. I just bought land here or you know, I live in Hawaii. And finally, Javier stood up and he took his shikapa, that the the plant here that we use for oh yeah, I remember that well.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

I have a good story of that.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

Back into flashback, but um, yeah, he boxed it up to the head.

SPEAKER_00 56:49

That was once the Tasmanian devil in one of my ceremonies buzzing, and all he was doing was shaking. And I thought, what is the I didn't even I didn't know I didn't know the guy had that. Uh yeah, and I was like, what is that? And then when the lights kind of came on, I was like, oh god, it was just some just some leaves, that's good, because it seemed like anyway, all good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

But so Javier hit me over the head and with it, and he said, I suggest you stop arguing and say yes. And I was like, How do you know what's going on? I mean, I know I'm kind of sitting close to you, but like, how do you know? Like, he heard everything and was witnessing it. And Grandmother Aya had told him, you know, before, like, and he kind of when we were in the circle, he he would I would find him like looking at me really intensely, and I'd kind of look away, you know, like, wow, what you know, what's the deal here? And that was the deal.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

So I yeah, I mean, oh, sorry, keep going.

SPEAKER_01 57:56

Oh, that's okay. I just was gonna say, I, you know, I again, it was another one of those moments of yes, and how is this gonna happen? I right, I got back to I gotta say yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:10

I mean, this is the pro I was just gonna share that I think what a lot of people don't understand is that we are not like marketing guru drive, we're not driving our career as shamans. We are, we said we want to be of service, and then pretty much from that point on, we keep having to say yes to things we probably would rather not. Like it's like this wasn't my idea. I really didn't write this book because I wanted to become an author and write a book and get on the bestseller list. I wrote the book because I was somehow compelled, and it was a pain in the butt, and selling it's even a bigger pain in the butt. And uh yeah, and just about everything else you've ever seen me do has been like, why am I doing this? I don't know, and maybe I'll know someday. So, yeah, I think people need to understand like when you when you sign up for service, it's it's it's a big surrender to a lot of moments like that where you go, no, not now. I think this land. But it works, it works out, right? Eventually.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

Oh, absolutely. I mean, and and I think the more you embody the yes fullheartedly and trust in your connection with spirit and connect in your connection with your own soul, and you trust that beyond what your mind can dream up or you know, think is the right way to go. Um, life becomes so rich and so so beautiful. And so, yeah, I got back to having no idea how it was going to happen. I didn't know that people had brought the plant from Peru and were growing it there on the island. You know, I didn't so I'm telling my friend, uh Yumi about this, and she says, Oh, yeah, you know, this guy that lives just down the road from the land, your land, um, knows how to brew it. He's been holding circles for a long time, and I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:11

Yeah, what? Yeah, well, there you go. The universe also delivers, right? Like it tells you to say yes, but then it also finds a way to kind of make it make it work, and that is a beautiful, beautiful lesson, I think, you know. So tell me, okay. So I think we're getting close to wrapping up. And I wanted to um I always like to do this in in like in the spirit of the destiny retrieval, right? So what's next for Chandra Sun Eagle? What's next with your, you know, as far as you know, but like where where are things headed presently? How can people find you? Um, I'm gonna put links and everything, obviously, that kind of thing. But honestly, where's your vision going next?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

Uh, that's a really, really good question. I don't know that I can fully answer it. Um, I'll give you what I do know.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

That's perfect, right? That's kind of expect that would be expected from the real deal. Anyway, I'd be worried if you had an answer for that, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

So I'm currently in in northern Arizona and uh I'm sitting in my teepee in my healing space, which is people come for retreats. Um, I I only hold you know small intimate groups with the plant medicine ceremonies. Um unless somebody asks me to come to their sanctuary and hold for a little bit larger group, I will. So here I am in northern Arizona for I'm not quite sure how long I might I'm I'm headed towards uh southern Colorado. And in the meantime, what spirit has and my soul, I guess, has really been guiding me towards is making myself more available to more people and how to do that through online. So I was sort of I was putting together a full nine-month immersion um and but needed a space to uh host up to you know 10 people. Part of that vision wasn't coming about, and Spirit was like, you have to pivot. You have to pivot, you've got to make this like so. I broke it down, and what what came out of that nine-month immersion has been one of the uh really most beautiful um eight-week courses that I've been that I've been about to finish actually tomorrow night, and it's called Architects of the New Earth. Beautiful. It is a it is uh a weaving of uh teachings, practices, and rituals from the Andes, you know, working with the light body, clearing the light body of imprints, past life stuff, soul retrieval work, um, and with uh Hawaiian wisdom teachings as well. But all that weaves together to help us move out of that state of survival and distress and into this an out-of-victimhood and into activating um the cre the creator within, you know, your your website, dreaming into being. You know, it's like we are here as the creators of what's to come next. It's it's kind of up in the air. And yes, there are, I would say, potential uh timelines that are lit up, but it's like, what are what what do we want to create here? And the further and it starts with the remembering of self, the activation of the light body, the um coming back into connection with the heart portal where the soul and spirit come in and remembering our you know superpowers in a way, in a very practical way. And so that course I'm offering, and I'll probably offer it again starting in July, and um another course that is really beautiful for people that want to dive more into like the medicine will work and working with the elements. And that course is called uh Restoring the Sacred Hoop of Life. And as we do that, we restore the sacred hoop within us. So, and that again is filled with all kinds of um daily practices, breath practices, rituals, and whatnot. Um, and I work with people remotely as well, individually. Songko Villa came to me when I was living on Kauai. Um, so path of the heart, because that's really what this is all about. Whatever path you choose, make sure it's a path with heart.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

It all comes back to love, right? And Moonai.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:50

Agape, and you know, it's all the same, same thing. But yeah, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:55

Well, I you know, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:58

What else?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:59

Well, I was just gonna say um I did create a um an app on a on a larger plat or a platform on a larger um app that's called Passion app. But it's um I've got a whole library of shamanic journeys, meditations, breath work, nervous system reset. Um, and that's called the Spiritual Transformation Hub. And I can send you the um please do.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

Yeah, and then I've you know I've got my book out there, Looking Back on the Future, which is just steeped in the Andean um spirit, seven spiritual laws that help us climb that ladder back up to our higher consciousness. And uh I think there's another book, and you know, you said you said something about um you know, writing a book and all of that, and it was like that wasn't something I wanted to do either, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

Totally.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:59

And yeah, I'm I'm I'm here. I'm a I'm I'm available who to people who you know feel a resonance with me and what I have to share and offer. And you know, I yeah, I welcome, I welcome.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:16

Yeah. Well, I have I've had the privilege of knowing you for pretty good pretty good time, pretty long time now. And uh And if people want to work with, you know, a master in the truest sense, medicine woman in the truest sense, I would suggest they they find you. Um, you know, when when when we first met in Peru, I mean, the, you know, again, you you have that energy. It's like an unlimited uh uh connection to source energy, which is pretty cool. Like it's it's if I had to use an analyte, it'd say like you know, like you're the Navy SEAL commander, right? Like this is this is like this is like the heart, you know, this is the this is the thing. And then there's the people who you know can't hold that space, and um you're definitely that. And I am super grateful to know you, and I'm super grateful to uh be able to share this with my listeners, and I really hope um people check check it out if you're interested and serious about all things or anything uh empowering, healing, spiritual knowledge, learning, doing this work, any of it. Um you really have a just a beautifully comprehensive and well-rounded uh set of knowledge and experience and um and just the ability to be joyful, like you said, and hold space and to be in that place of love. It's it's really amazing. So can't thank you enough for all the hard work you do, hanging in there, continuing, growing, being my friend, showing up in my space here for this little bit of time and and sharing. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Oh, thank you, thank you so so much, John. Thank you for all those words, and I really I feel that. And you know, when I when I first met you, I I felt the same way about you. So right back at you.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:30

Thanks. That means a lot. It really does. I need that. Keep me going.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:35

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

Well thank thank you again. And maybe we'll do it again.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

Yeah, that sounds great. Take care. We'll talk to you again soon.