Chandra Sun Eagle Part 2 - New Insights and Deep Wisdom for these Times of the Sacred Unwinding

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Join Jon Rasmussen and Chandra Sun Eagle as they explore the current spiritual awakening, the sacred unwinding, and how to navigate the profound shifts happening in consciousness. Discover insights on surrender, heart-centered understanding, and practical practices for thriving in these transformative times.

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spiritual awakening, sacred unwinding, consciousness shift, heart-centered, transformation, energy healing, divine love, grounding, creativity, divine feminine

 key  topics

The concept of sacred unwinding and collective transformation

The role of heart and heart intelligence in navigating change

Practical practices for grounding, surrender, and creativity

 guest  name

Chandra Sun Eagle

 key  frameworks

Sacred Unwinding

Heart-Centered Awareness

Timelines Reversal and Rebirth

 action  items

Practice grounding daily by walking barefoot or sitting with a tree

Engage in creative expression without judgment or expectation

Use sound and vibration as tools for clearing and healing

Remember to balance sensitivity with protective practices

Titles

The Sacred Unwinding: Navigating the Spiritual Shift

Unlocking Heart-Centered Wisdom in Times of Change

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"Grounding and simplicity are key practices"

"Your voice is a powerful tool for creation"

"Sound is the language of the future"

Chapters

00:00 The Sacred Unwinding: Navigating Uncertainty

10:21 Embracing the Heart: Letting Go of Control

20:20 Identity Shift: From Survival to Thriving

30:15 Transcend and Include: Expanding Consciousness

32:55 Navigating Noise and Finding Stillness

35:55 The Importance of Grounding and Discipline

40:11 Creativity as a Path to Connection

42:53 The Power of Sound and Frequency

46:48 Embracing the Artist Within

50:52 Messages of Love and Nurturance

55:23 Preparing for Energetic Shifts

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Website - https://www.soncovia.com

#DivineFeminine #HealingJourney #EmbraceChange #SpiritualGrowth #Mindfulness #Nature #Coherence #Retreat #Love #Forgiveness #Munay #Agape #Sound

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Hi, this is John Rasmussen, and we are back for part two with my good friend and colleague, Chandra Sun Eagle. And today we thought it'd be great to dive deeply into the latest insights, primarily, that Chandra is getting from her work and her clients. You know, I've always I've always made that a big part of what I put out there. Anytime I would be doing a bunch of work, I'd start to piece together some interesting insights and and share them. So I think today will be great because I would love to hear all the things that Chandra is getting um with regards to where humanity is now and what people are dealing with and and uh what they can do with it or about it and and where it's going. So welcome back, Chandra. Thank you for taking the time to do a part two. I'm really excited.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Oh, thank you, John. Great to be back, great to see you and dive into this conversation and see what see what comes through. And yeah, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Definitely. So you were starting, I we we had a little conversation and it was about um how people are feeling these days. Like it's a very interesting time. There's a lot of uncertainty, there's a lot of things coming from all over the all over the place. Do you can you expand on that for us and and tell us what it is people are are experiencing and and you know what we can what we can do to help them?

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Absolutely, absolutely. And you know, this is uh this information, you know, comes from the clients that I work with and sit in ceremony with, um, as well as you know, friends and um just comments on other people's uh YouTube's and and posts and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Um I think I'll start by saying that we're in a we're in a time of what my teams have termed as the sacred unwinding.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

And that unwinding that is happening is very destabilizing because all that we have been operating on and through through our own uh lenses, our own conditioning, is being asked to be let go of for the specific intention of connecting to something truer, our true nature, our divinity, which we spoke about a little bit last last time. And yet you know, I think you and I have done so much work over the years of letting go, of stripping, of looking at the stories, and and there's uh there's a deeper level that's happening. And the so what what people are coming to me with these days is a that feeling of like sort of feeling lost. It's like they're you know, they're doing the work of transformation, of of healing, of really looking at their belief systems and what has been their foundation for orientation in the world. And a lot of it's not fitting anymore because of their intentional work that they're doing, and yet collectively, cosmically, we're in the in-between state, and that's incredibly uncomfortable for the ego, I would say, and for the mind. And our tendency is, you know, we want to understand what's happening, and there's, you know, rightfully so. It's like if we if we understand what's happening and we feel that we can work with and navigate a little easier, or at least know where to put our attention and our focus. And yet a lot of that understanding, that wanting to understand is coming from a mind level. And the the what I've been told is that really the mind cannot understand what we're going through right now, but the heart can. And so coming home, you know, back to remembering the heart through the information, the the tremendous amount of influx of light codes that are flooding our plane of existence, as well as the light codes that are pulsing from the core of the earth. And it's a process that is so beautiful and yet so challenging at the same time. And so people are really asking me, like, how do I make sense of this? How do I navigate? You know, what what do I do with myself? And I'm like, well, the the answers that keep coming are is about softening into a present, softening into uh source energy, source light intelligence within us, and surrendering to that. And some days there's nothing, it's like there's there's no forcing that we can do. We can even people's like prior practices aren't working the same way.

SPEAKER_04 6:00

Right. It's taking time, it's it's I that's what I've been finding. Same thing. It's like the mind wants it now, wants it done, wants to get it done, wants to understand it, feel comfortable, move on, carry on, know what to do. And it that's not working. And as you know, the universe makes you right. So all our old stories we developed coping mechanisms for, and we thought we had it all figured out and ready to go. And now even that's not working, so that's gotta die. And then what do you do in the meantime, that limbo, right? Well, you sit and wait and be patient, and it's uncomfortable, right? But it's but I guess what you're saying is knowing that even when you're sitting there feeling like your mind is doing nothing about this the way it used to, it's stuff is happening. Stuff's getting done that your mind isn't registering. So you have to have faith and be patient, I guess. And no, you know, I don't know what else you can do. I guess you could do ritual and ceremony, maybe there's some things, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

I think you know, there there are things in the guidance that I've gotten is that uh returning to playfulness, returning returning to joy. Uh nature, of course, is always a big one. Um, but doing what doing what brings you the most pleasure in the moment. And like you said, uh yes, patience is is a big part of it. And you know, in some ways, you know, we're taught as shamanic practitioners, like we don't sit and and wait, right? We we call forward. Right? We call forward right.

SPEAKER_04 7:53

We're used to that.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

We sit.

SPEAKER_04 7:56

Totally.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

And I think as the it's like the the frequencies of the new world, they're present, they're they're available to us, but we can't access them through the mind or the prior uh ways of getting them. And so it's such a letting, such a letting go. And that letting go is hard because we've been in survival mode, right? We've been in, okay, I've got to make it happen, I've gotta, you know, whatever it is on the the physical world, even in the in the spiritual world, it's like it's like we've we're striving, we're trying to uh create something. And right now it it feels to me that the the act of creation is about receiving. And so it's like where when and where do we feel in the most receptive uh state? For me, that's when I'm uh playing, that's when I am in connection with friends, I'm in connection with animals, and it's like okay, every everything is okay. So it's just trusting that there's so much happening, and we may not fully be able to bring a language to it or a mental picture of what it's gonna look like, and that's the other sort of trap of the mind. We want to know all the steps, we want to know what's gonna happen, then we'll feel safe, then we'll be able to relax. And that's just not that's not what is being supported right now. So I think um the guidance that I've been sharing with people is is that during this during this time of what we call the sacred unwinding of personal, cultural, collective stories and beliefs that have kept us looping and recreating the same thing is that when something comes up, is to understand that and to know that your high self knows exactly when you're ready for the next layer or the uh residue that's deep down in one of those old trenches is ready to come up and you're you're ready to handle it. The what clogs that process up and I've been through it, um, is when something of the past comes up, gets triggered, is the mind wants to jump in, or the stories start to reel, they just start to go. And the guidance that I got was that in order for this uh clearing of what information has gotten compacted within our fields, within our tissue, within our memories, we have to become the sacred witness, we have to become a compassionate, neutral witness to it. And so what what does that mean? And specifically when I asked that question, what it meant was be aware of the sensations, the energy that is rising, that is running through your body, what it's doing to the heart rate, what it's you know, because the mind immediately is like it its job is to protect us, right? It wants to come in and like sort it out, figure it out, tackle it. And so many of us know the stories, right? We've we've gone into it in such depth. And when the mind kicks in like that, we're no longer in a witness state of just the energetics of what wants to leave, what wants to uh heal and clear. We s we kind of jam that process up so as much as possible to witness from a compassionate, neutral place and just noticing literally the sensations that are arising in the body, not trying to fix it, not trying to change it, but just allowing it and knowing that it's temporary, and the more that we are maybe go into a victim state of like, oh, this again, or oh what I thought I was through this, or it's like the minute that the minute that we we do that again, we we we stop the releasing. And I think that the other thing that's coming up for people is the hardest thing to do is actually to let go of that which wants to leave.

SPEAKER_04 13:02

That's interesting, yeah. Like you say, it's kind of the survival thing, right? If you've if you've been in a tent in the Arctic and there's a polar bear coming around every night, you got your club and you got your you're in that mode and you you got everything figured out, you know when it comes, you know what to do, you got and then all of a sudden it's gone, it stops coming, and it's time to go out and get some sun and do some other things. You gotta like put the club down. You gotta like let go of the old coping mechanisms, right? And the old the old ways of thinking. And put the cart before the horse, put the feelings before the reality, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Yeah, and I think that the um the other aspect of the these processes is that it's showing us uh another level of where maybe we thought we weren't trying to control anything or that we're not a controlling person. And yet it's sort of a natural defense mechanism to want to control that process, and so being very aware of one's own tendencies to want to control us uh uh a situation or an internal process that's incredibly uncomfortable. And maybe we feel like we're getting tossed around by the ocean or by a hurricane or getting eaten by a polar bear or threatened by one, you know, that we we we want to survive. And that's a natural human instinct, but that has been overused, might might we say. And this whole this whole process that creation is working through us wants to uncover but reveal to us something so deep inside of us that we haven't touched for I I don't know ever in in humanity's existence. And that energy is what we might call kind of fifth-dimensional energies, frequencies of no stress, um this sense of like everything is okay. I can play with life, I can play in this game of life, I can co-participate without so much attachment, so much attachment to needing to know the outcome, needing to know um, you know, am I gonna be okay? So it's like it's really the shift from survival to thriving and and living. And that's an intense process, you know, and it's multi-layered.

SPEAKER_04 16:02

It really is, right? I mean, I noticed this too working with my my clients and personally, it's like if you want something new, if you want to change your experiences, whether it's around relationship or health or work or resources, really any part of life, you have to be willing to let go of all the hard work your mind has done to understand and figure out what was going on before. Because if you want it to change, it's gonna be all new and it's new stories, and it might not need as much figuring out or as much, you know, effort from the mind and more. Hey, this is what I wanted. Isn't this, you know, what I wanted is to not be in survival mode, to not have to figure everything out. Didn't I want just love and joy and play and abundance and you gotta let that die. And that's even in and of itself kind of a grieving process, right? Of letting go of the old survival tactics of of years gone by.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Absolutely, and all of what you uh just spoke to has become uh you know our identity, right? And what really is being asked of us right now is can we identify more with the eternal source intelligence within us? How do we get there? How do we find that? How do we attune to it? And I think for everyone it's you know, it's a little bit different, and depending on the stage of uh evolution and where they're at on their soul's journey, it's gonna be a little bit differently, different, look at a little bit differently. But this eternal nature, it's like uh, you know, as a soul, nothing nothing can kill that.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

And so it's gonna you're gonna be living somewhere somehow. Yes, uh, you know, that you're gonna have to get used to eventually.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Absolutely. And so more of a I would say a a fluidity with our identity. Because it's not that who you are as John and your own individuated personality, you know, structure is just gonna like go away, but it's getting up-leveled, it's getting refined, um, as is mine, as we integrate these light codes that are coming in that really uh are part of our own nature, part of our you know, multidimensional facets of who we are as a celestial being, as a galactic being. Um and to bring that in into our humanness is the extraordinary thing I would say about being human in this time.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Yes, that is so true.

SPEAKER_04 19:25

I mean, man, you're really nailing it because we are it's almost a pride thing, you know. It's a little bit of ego, it's a little bit of like, oh, I know myself so well. When you tell me this and that, I can say, oh no, this is how it works for me, this is the way I've always been. And yet that's the very thing that has to end or go away in order for anything new to happen. I I what flashed into my head was um listening to a podcast the other day of uh of an ex-like uh Army Ranger guy, special forces guy known as the mayor of Baghdad or something, I forget his real name, but he uh he loves, I mean, and this is I think you gotta look at this like across the board, even if you're not a warrior or whatever. It's like he's so loved battle when bullets flying, doing all the things they do. He was so excited about that. He loved that. It was everything to him. He's great at it, like the best at it. This is where he was on fire, right? What does a guy like that do when there's no war, when there's no battle? Who are you then? I mean, and and I heard this the other day too. Like a pro pro athlete, you know, interviewed and said, like, look, in your game on the court, you are you're the master. You're like the you've achieved the highest level through lots of hard work and lots of discipline. This became your identity. This is everything. When you're done playing, you're starting at the basement level again of whatever you do next. You are not it's not like master to master. You don't make this jump. I'm a master basketball player, I'm gonna be a master uh investor in this case. It was no, no, no, no. Guess what? You're starting from the beginning, you gotta work your way up that again. So that is such an uncomfortable, such a difficult thing to do. Like a lot of people just want to, I'd rather be in war. I don't want peace. I like, I like fighting, you know, and it's so like think about that in your own life or our clients and listeners. Like, what is it that you've been so so used to getting good at or mastering or knowing that if everything changes like you hope it would is no longer applicable, then what?

SPEAKER_01 22:03

It is tough. It really it really is. And you know, I've I've probably a little bit been through those phases in my life as well. Um it's like, you know, if you try to keep what brought the fire, the knowing, the feeling of like I've I've got this, what made you feel alive? There's it you you can try to continue to bring that and maybe even bring it into the new area of your life. But you'll quickly find that it's kind of a futile effort. And so can we um can we adopt the innocence, the playfulness, the beginner mind, and get excited about okay, like learning something new, which is going to, I'm gonna discover things maybe about myself I didn't I didn't know. So looking at this, you know, I used to, I used I think I have this on my website, maybe I still do, but it's like everything that we experience to me, if you can look at it as an adventure, you're you know, you're many steps ahead of the game. It's like what it's not the victim of like, why is this happening to me? What what is happening, what is going on, but more of like what wants to come through for me? What is this showing me about about myself that I didn't even know, or about creation, or about um for whatever reason, this is coming in super strongly from my high self right now. And that is uh about unity consciousness. And that field of unity consciousness is such a vast expansive field to explore. And it brings me back a little bit to our first question about what people are experiencing right now with um sort of this sacred unwinding and the stripping and feeling a little bit lost is I just lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

I think I know where you're going. Like immediately what's coming to mind is that life is an exploration, right? And there's always more to explore. And if you if you identify as an explorer, you're way ahead of the game.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Yes, absolutely. And so what's coming up for people in that is it's like, okay, they're moving more into their hearts, they're moving uh into a more vast experience and sense of self. And as the density of those old layers and the density of the uh identity is lifting, it's making them uh incredibly sensitive. Men are calling me going, okay, like we've been working on the feminine aspect of creation and me embodying that more as a man and where that hasn't been present for me, and me getting more uh familiar with that stream of uh energy and and consciousness. And yet, Chandra, like I can't handle this. I'm like having you know mornings where I'm I'm crying all morning and I can't, I'm making mistakes at work and like this has to stop. And like, you know, to me, it's a little bit of that um, or a lot of it of the uh more masculine-driven, not not men or women, but just masculine principles of creation, of like always having things handled and figured out, and we leave the emotions or the feelings aside, right? And so as they're intentfully and consciously saying, yes, I opened, I know that the the way that I've been operating is um it's not necessarily fitting with where I'm going and wanting to move more into my spiritual essence and a deeper connection. And I feel that love wanting to come through. And I I want to be more of that compassionate person. And yet, with all of those layers and that density and those protections and those uh uh lifting, that it's like their field is porous, and they're like going to the grocery store and seeing, you know, um a mom with several kids on food stamps and they start crying and they're like, I can't walk around the world like this, Chandra. And I'm like, well, it's a it's it's an opening and and and it's a necessary part of the process of becoming that much more sensitive. And it won't it won't stay that way all the time. But I think as we're as the density is lifting and we're becoming that much more maybe empathic, telepathic, sensitive to uh, you know, what's going on in the world, the suffering, uh, we have to have we have to have practices where we're able to cocoon and sort of seal up our energy as well. Because no, we can't like walk around just feeling everything all the time. We're just gonna be in complete overwhelm. And I don't know that that serves. But my encouragement always is for people that maybe have not been as sensitive, you know, and not feeling to like like let it flow, but talk, talk to your high self, talk to your guides, have your practices where you go back into your your cocoon and you know, bring that light in, you know, uh seal it up, not with protection, not with defenses, not with, oh I can't, I can't do that. I mean, there's there's there's still certain things that are very difficult for me to watch. Like I can't, I can watch a little bit of it, but not too much. You know, I think there's there's people on the planet we're all made so differently. And one of my teachers was like, Chandra, you have to look at some of this stuff because when you do, you're actually bringing light to it, you're bringing awareness. But you also have to pace yourself, you have to know yourself. You can't be in denial or put the blinders on, but you also have to know what your capacity is for certain things.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

And so the entirety of human of the human experience, I I think is always valuable, at least especially for people like us who work with a lot of different clients, to have some experience up. So look at everything kind of a thing. But I wanted to say as well, like for those people, the guys opening up and crying and stuff. It's like one of the things I I find important is that as you open up, let's say the masculine man or woman is dominant, and then you begin the feminine begins to open up, and it's like, well, I'm I'm an emotional mess or whatever. Um, you don't lose the other part because it's like I think it becomes a safety issue. Wow, you know, I gotta be tough and I gotta be like closed off so that I can I can be a protector, I know what to do, I can like handle whatever goes on. And it's like you will always still be able to do all that, even if you're crying at the kids that are in, you know, like in other words, you don't you don't lose anything when you expand. In fact, that almost gets better as well. If you're a fighter and that's what you need to do for a living, let's say, whatever, or to protect people, you know, um, and you start to become more emotionally in tune and you start to open up that side of you, the vulnerable side, guess what? You you actually become a better fighter when you need it. And I think people need to get that. It's not to be scared of this expansion because it's it's a it you don't it's an expansion, it's not uh giving one thing up for the other.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Absolutely, and that's that's that's such a good point, John. And because you've already developed those skills. It's like it's just innate in you now, but now you will use them in when it's really needed and in an appropriate way. And yeah, that's that that's a that's a beautiful, a beautiful statement.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

It's include, right? It's I think it's like Ken Wilbers transcend and include. Go ahead and move beyond where you were, but you get to keep it, you get to include it in your whole package of who you are. You don't need to get rid of stuff, you just need to keep expanding.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

Yes, absolutely. And the uh wisdom, you know, the time of sitting with what your life has been, what you've been drawn to, what you've been called to do, and how to show up in the world. And when that's changing or refining, uh, or getting a little bit remolded, it's like you what what were we taught? You you sit with it, you pull out the wisdom pieces, you know, to become that person of wisdom and write action. You you it's like, okay, what are those what are those gems that I learned from all of that? And I'll put those in my tool bag. I mean, they're there, but the the the rest, the other experiences, like I can let go of that energy, I can let go of those memories. And uh it's almost like a a huge cellular detox that's happening. And, you know, as we know, um anybody who's been through any kind of detox, oh, it's you know, whether it's a mind detox or a physical detox, there's a lot of die-off, right? And so you've gotta you've gotta keep the body flushed, you've got to move, you've gotta breathe, um, you've got to um stay hydrated, and you've got to ground. Like right now, um grounding to the the earth, literally, you know, shoes off, feet in the earth, I think is and or sitting with a tree and grounding that way, centering, it's so simple. And we've we've and yet we have gotten into, I feel, a state where the more steps we have to do, the more complex something is, it must be more valuable.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

And and you know, there is efficiency. Remember, I'm all about efficiency. If you get it done with one step, do it that way.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

Yes, and simplifying, slow, like slowing everything down, pausing in the day. And there's you know, there's so much going, I I think going back a little bit to um our own capacity, our own sensitivity to um certain things that are happening in the world is there's so much noise. And when we start looking at all of it, you know, the war, the uh inflation, you know, the data centers that are going up, that's very concerning for me. Um you know, I am not obviously anti-technology, but the right use of it. Um like all of those things there is can become so incredibly distracting from what truly, purely is wanting our attention. And that's that's source, that's God, that's that spark within us that um is getting uh illuminated, is getting pulsed from the earth. And we have to we have to pause. We've got to like stop taking in information. And I think that that is another survival uh mechanism in a way, another coping mechanism. It's like, well, you know, if knowledge is power, the more I know and the more that you know is going the more that I know that's going on, the more information I have. Uh I don't know. I I just I'll feel more secure. But uh on the other hand, if there's nothing, and I'm not saying this in the manner of like we all just sit back and kind of let things happen, or I don't know, we don't do anything to things like we need to to take action steps where we're called, right?

SPEAKER_04 34:59

Yeah. I I like where you're where you're going with this because you filter out we're we're kind of built primally, right? To to filter out irrelevant information for survival or or just enjoying a moment, right? You filter out you don't think about the past or the future if you want to be fully present, right? So filtering's a huge, a huge piece, right? And it's a muscle. All these things you're talking about to me, even taking time to ground, you have to think of it like a muscle. If you think it's important for you to go work out, exercise whatever for your health, do do you know, have conversations with friends for your emotional well-being, etc., then you really want to think about this taking time to reconnect with nature, grounding, stillness, silence as an important exercise. That's why, like once a week, once a day, however it is, like find that exercise and make it uh as important as eating or bathing.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Absolutely. Yeah, I would completely agree. And wouldn't, you know, if we go back to the examples you were using about people that have been either an athlete or a fighter and they've been so disciplined in their action, it's like, well, when it's not required in that same way, like what do I do? And as you said, you know, it's like those um those skills, those talents that you've developed are still there. You don't lose them, but they need to be redirected. So it's like, okay, well, what is my discipline? What does my consistency look like now? My consistency and my discipline actually means uh perhaps stopping and listening.

SPEAKER_04 36:46

Stopping and stopping the poor, feeding the poor, doing like literally doing anything. Like honestly, this is what I've always appreciated about spiritual traditions, whether it was the yogic traditions or now in my case, like the Catholic Church, whatever, where you feel a little bit of an obligation, like, hey, you're supposed to come do this once a week. And if you don't, like there's some price to pay. You know, it's it's like that's not really true, but you like we need that. Like, it's like, hey, if I don't exercise for three weeks, I mean, that's not good. Like, I'm gonna pay a price. No one's gonna exact it onto me, nobody's punishing me for it. So I like these traditions that say, hey, you you gotta come do this. Otherwise, you know, whatever. And so you do. You go, okay, I gotta go do this. What I do every Sunday is what I do every every morning at six o'clock, whatever the case may be. And you gotta create a like a reason for it in any way you can, because it's a muscle. You gotta keep it, you gotta keep it exercised.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

Absolutely. Yeah. Totally totally.

SPEAKER_04 38:01

That could be going out in nature. I mean, it's the same thing. Like, if it's like, hey, I go for a walk in nature, I sit by a tree, my favorite tree, I sit on a rock, I do whatever I do. That's wonderful. You better make yourself do that every at least once a week or every day. You know what I mean? Like it's not just, oh, whenever. It's still important to make it kind of a discipline in a way, right? Like it's the muscle building piece of your soul.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

100%. 100%. So, yeah, those those practices, those uh disciplines, the consistency. I think um discipline's a great word. You know, I grew up in a pretty disciplined household. Um, and that established a um, I think a great sense of um work ethic in me, but we also had a, you know, we were very involved in, we were in nature a lot, um involved in sports and and all of that brought in a lot of discipline. So what I've I've done is, you know, from my past is I brought in and you know, continued to weave into more of my uh spiritual practice and just life balance practices, you know, all those things that I that were instilled in me as a kid, because yes, they became such a foundational practice. And yes, I had to strip away some of the beliefs that came with that or the self-agreements or contracts, you know. Um, and creativity being a big one. And I feel that that that right now is a um kind of a big arrow pointing for people. It's like, where can you get um into that space of creativity where you lose sense of time, the mind isn't involved, um, the soul gets to come online, the inner child gets to come online, you get to play, and you just get to be enveloped in this no-time space of creativity. So that's another um suggestion, I think, for people. And I was I don't know, I learned, I don't know if I was taught it, but somewhere it was like I I thought creativity had to have a function because I was such a functional person in in sports and studies and all of that. And so my challenge has been it's like can I just be um creative without it needing to become something that is then I don't know, useful or or function functional. Um I'm just like Yeah, God.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

I mean, think about it. That just think of art and music, any form of art. Like it's nobody would argue that we want to get rid of all of it. Like nobody would say, well, it's useless, so you you can leave that wall blank. It's like, no, no, no, let's put that painting up because it so yes, I I I'm I'm right with you on that. Like it's it's there's a certain part of us that feels we need to be productive and uh no, it's um even surfing, like you and I both surf, right? You surf a lot more than I have, probably. But you go there's something about that that feeling, what it does for you when the power of the ocean is moving you the way it does, and you're something's way bigger than you, but you can harness it if you're clever and you're in good enough shape. And that's a good example of if you, you know, hey, I'm not just out there doing it because I'm a bum and it's and it's fun and I don't want to do anything else because I just love the high of surfing. It's like you go out there because you know if you don't go out every few days, the next time you go out, you're not gonna be able to paddle out, you're gonna be exhausted, your muscles won't work, you'll get injured. It'll be so it's like people need to understand it doesn't matter what you're doing and why. It's it's still a practice playing a musical instrument, singing, acting. These people work so hard practicing, and only a little bit ends up on the on the screen or on the recording. Like, and it's and people love it. They're the most valuable people in the world because it turns out this is all about art. It turns out it's not about GDP, it's more about art.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Absolutely, uh and that that you know that reminds me of some years ago when I had just moved to Kauai and there was a series of um visitations from uh archangels and ancient Lemurians, and they were showing there that there was a few very significant truths messages. One of them was that sound is the way of the future. And learning the language of sound, learning to use your own uh body and voice as a as a tuning fork in order to clear the frequencies and the vibrations of a story or of something that is wanting to clear. It's like if you can just not put the story to it, but you can sound it out and let the vibrations come out of you, it creates space then for a coherent sound to come through. So we have the power of our own voice, right?

SPEAKER_04 43:32

Which is create Yeah, and you know all the devices people are using now for their Vegas nerve and all this kind of stuff. I don't that's what just singing in the car.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Right.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Just sing. It does your vegas nerve.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

I mean, like it You don't need another device.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

Yeah, you don't need another device. You're you're born with it. You got you got a voice and it doesn't you have you don't even have to be good. You're just humming or singing or whatever. Yeah, making fun of it made me think of that because It's like sound, yes. Sound in the beginning was the word, whatever creation created through vibration, through frequency, through word manifestation happens through frequency, through vibration, through sound. I mean, on and on and on.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

That's the core of who we are and what we are, right? If the universe is energy, sound and frequency, if you want to know yourself, like you got to go into those realms. So being playful with that. And um again, you know, that comes in the idea of perfection, or I have to produce something that is gonna sound good. You know, my my sound healer teacher, um uh Tom Kenyon, who I studied with a bit, that that opened up a huge resource within me because it's like, this is not about concert sound, this is not about making a sound sound away, it's about being real and honest with the vibration of what you're feeling or what you're picking up in somebody else, and then just letting it go.

SPEAKER_04 45:01

I did so I did a session on the street below the hotel in New York City, and I accidentally and I accidentally left my drum or whatever rattles up in the room, and I found a bottle and the steering wheel. So is this any less sacred than the drum behind me? No, it's sound. That's the altered state with this, you can summon anything with this, you can manifest with this. Doesn't matter, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:39

Yeah, I mean I love I love that sound.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

I love that story make sound.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

I love that story. So the the second thing relating back to um creation, creativity, the message that um came through, and it was like these three ascended masters and their heads were sticking out of my bedroom, and I was like, wow, okay, you've got some uh something important to say. And and the first message was about sound and the frequency. And the second was about they said, You're you're an artist. And I'm like, uh no, I wouldn't really like I didn't consider myself an artist because I had this picture of somebody who could paint or sculpt or whatever, and they said, No, you have to um broaden your perspective of what an artist is. They said, You're an artist, everyone has an artist within them, and life is your canvas. And what are you going to paint on it?

SPEAKER_04 46:48

I mean, this speaks to like even our destiny retrieval, like destiny altars, vision boards. I mean, if you can make an art out of any belief you want to change, make a piece of art out of any heavy work you've done, grief, anything you're going through, it it's the most powerful thing, right? It's what accesses the core energy and resonance. So, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

It does. It does.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

And I'm I'm I'm aware that we're kind of maybe coming to a little bit of a a close in our time together. Um, so I just am wanting to tune in a little bit with myself and the team and see if there's anything else that wants to come through uh for people that will are listening, will listen. This is beautiful because what what's coming through is is to know that each of us, every one of us, is so loved and so looked after and so cared for that if we have fears arising, if we have uh disorientation, it's like can we can we relax into these hands of whether it's our angels or our spirit guides or our power animals? Like we're all so loved and cared for. And I think for for people to know that, because not everyone knows that, not everyone feels that, not everyone has had that experience. And that's what they're bringing through right now. Can you can you can you ease your way into that softness of that no it's it's it's a knowing or it's a it's a truth that's being brought through that we're we are all adored, we are all cared for and nurtured, and the the divine mother presence that is so online right now, and the energies from Mother Earth that are pulsing up and through. It's like she she wants her children all her life, right? The trees, the animals, the the humans, everyone who walks on her belly and drinks from her springs and eats the fruits of her trees that she wants us in joy, she wants us in in in peace, she wants us to know that we're taken care of. And anything that has happened to us, anything that we are told that that's not the case or makes us feel that's not the case, don't listen to it. Tap in with the earth, lay on your belly, breathe with her, get into the waters and feel how much those spirits of the water are are nurturing and cleansing you. And to know that what is happening right now on the earth, even the chaos, even the uh dismantling, it's all very intentful. It's all for a reason. It's not random, it's not um yeah, it's it's all for a reason. And the stripping away, that sacred unwinding. The last message that I'll share is the message that I was sharing with you, and we were talking before getting on, was that we're being brought back to a time which was called before the making. It's like we're being taken back into the womb of creation so that we can stop looping through the old karmic cycles, the old family cycles, and we can be you know rebirthed. And with that being said, it's like the uh it's almost like uh what was trapped inside is inverting. Timelines are uh reversing so that they can be cleared. Those timelines of our stories of all of the events of in individually, collectively, and to not be afraid. It's all very intentful and that we're all held.

SPEAKER_04 51:28

That's an amazing message and beautiful. So important. Thank you. You know, it's true. I think one of the challenges when when you talk about remembering that you're loved, right? This is obviously a big like Christian theme. Jesus loves you. You know, like it's so hard for people to conceptualize that, or that the earth loves you, or that the sun loves you, or that the animals love you, or that anyone loves you. And because we mostly think about how we failed and how we've not earned that or not deserved that for whatever reason. And and that's what the only thing that really gets in the way of that, being able to feel that is but but I this or I that. So sometimes, you know, I tell people, because I had a dream that helped me with this. I was screaming in my dream in agony about my my life situation and the mistakes I'd made and all my regrets. And in my dream, all of a sudden I popped out of my body, was looking at myself, screaming, grab, put my hands on the side of my cheeks and said, I love you. And it was like I re that was so moving that I now just tell people, look, if you're really having trouble feeling what it's like to be loved or feeling lovable or anything like that, and you can't get anyone else to tell you, or you can't, you know, find it. Look in a mirror, look at yourself in the eyes, say your name, and and say, I love you as many times as you need to until you might actually start to feel it, believe it. That's just one method. I'm sure there's many, many others.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

That that's uh Luise Hayes' work, you know. Ah, great, very much that you were spiritual. Yeah, so that that self-love, all right, accepting all parts of ourselves, forgiving ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

Forgiving, yeah. Because you're never perfect, nobody's perfect. You're always gonna do things you regret, don't feel good about, doesn't mean you're not loved. People who've had death experiences and like see someone like Jesus will tell you this, they know it because Jesus goes, I love you anyway. And they're like, you know, you're big tough guys or whatever, and they're breaking down, going, I never, I never realized that. But it's true, it's true. And it's it's not just Jesus, it's it, it's any of these beings, it's all of them that know what's up, and that we are we are loved by source, we are loved by the earth, right? We're loved by the true father and the true mother, and we're loved by the mountains and the animals. And if you can just remember that.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

And I think, you know, as you're as you're speaking, what sorry, did I cut you off?

SPEAKER_04 54:15

No, no, you're good.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

Um, you know, maybe you know, part of that remembering, which to me, remembering is the remembering, like bringing ourselves back home, right? And uh re reconnecting or reclaiming our membership to the land, to the earth. But in order to do that and to receive the love, it's like, well, okay, maybe when we could conceptualize that, know it in our minds, but can you feel it in your body? And if you can't, it's like, where are you blocking love? Where is love scary? Where was love conditioned as conditional? You know?

SPEAKER_04 54:55

Uh yeah, where have you separated those parts? That goes back to what we were saying about if you give up a certain way of being or you and add a new way of being, you don't lose the other way. You have it all, it's all inclusive. So even if you did something bad, the good is still is still there.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 55:16

Remembering, yeah, re-bringing all the members back.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Full retrieval yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:22

Good stuff. Yeah, I think this is great. Thank you, Chandra. I really appreciate you taking the time to do a part two here. And I think it was really, really good stuff, and uh I hope um I hope people get a lot out of this and again look you up and on your links and stuff, they want to do some work and participate in your programs. I I highly recommend it.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

So thank you, John. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. And I'll just I I I appreciate you having me on, and it's been great to reconnect after all these years and um yeah, be offering this conversation to people. And yeah, I'll just uh if you don't mind, I'll just speak a little bit to you know, uh upcoming in like a month, I'm gonna start another group with the architects of the new earth program. And that has been so transformational for people that have been working, you know, on themselves and working with me for five to seven years. It was like it was like a whole new level of becoming um that tuning fork for their own celestial nature, their own source intelligence while weaving together their their humanness and um rewiring the luminous energy field, the light body, and um creating more opening for these energies that are coming through, and they're gonna amplify here in June and July, and not to be afraid, because I know we've all been through a lot. I feel like we've been through the washing machine and then spit out and put back in. Um, but what's what and I think everyone obviously will experience these energies, uh, these frequencies that are coming through in their own individual way, depending on where they're at on their journey. But the more that you can prepare yourself to open and receive this um this love, this divine feminine energy of nurturance and uh coherence, uh the more that you can prepare yourself this month and towards the end of June and into July, it's like it's a little bit hard to describe the energies that I sense are coming, but it's it's like it's like I don't know, bliss, uh delightfulness. And you know, if you can allow the letting go and the stripping and to to to go, you're gonna be that much more uh like a sponge that can absorb and just receive what's what's coming through. And so anyway, I just wanted to to mention that. And so if anyone's interested to yeah, a little bit of preparation for that. Yeah, architects Earth is a good good, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 58:08

That's great. Yeah, people will find your um find you on your on your website on that link, right? So good.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Thank you, John. Awesome.

SPEAKER_04 58:17

All right, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

Ciao, a ho.