Mark Curry Explains How Hip‑Hop Power Worked And Why His Book Predicts Today

The mics finally connect, the jokes land, and then Mark Curry opens the vault. We move from a glitchy start to a vivid, first-person tour of Bad Boy history—club doors, Uptown hallways, studio nights—and the hard claims that his book, started in the late 90s, predicted the headlines of 2024–2025. No euphemisms here. Mark lays out how courtroom narratives get stage-managed, why trials fixate on sex while ignoring violence, and how money, insurance, and image control determine what we’re allowed to see.

We get specifics: the birth of the Bad Boy logo and Darrell Ferguson’s legacy, love triangles that crossed labels and coasts, and a sober look at how Craig Mack and Black Rob were treated by a machine that kept moving without them. Mark explains how leverage is made in private rooms—footage, favors, and fear—and how that quiet currency echoes in boardrooms, bookings, and brand deals. He returns to a detail he wrote decades ago, “Google eyes” from jurors, to show how celebrity can bend the room without a word.

There’s resilience too. Mark shares how he avoided retaliation, why certain radio stations wouldn’t touch him, and what it means to rebuild with intention. He’s updating the audiobook with visuals, planning a run through Germany, the UK, and Denmark, and shaping a new podcast with Flo to unpack trending stories without empty hype. The goal is clear: move past rumor, ask sharper questions, and stop letting other people narrate your life. If you’ve ever wondered how the music industry really balances fame, risk, and profit, this conversation is a map you won’t get in a docuseries.

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Transcript

Chaos, Tech Woes, And Warm-Up Banter

SPEAKER_01 2:43

We got a wonderful Mark. How'd you do that? Let's go. I don't know. It just, you know, when you when you when you just you know how you just start just pressing every button you see? Uh-huh. That's what I did. Come on, man. You got me on your your phone, your iPad, your last one.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

I'm gonna turn one up more. I've got cause I'm trying everything.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Hey yeah, that's what I was doing. Hey y'all, we did it.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

We here. Yeah, we did it, man. What up, what up, what up, what up, flow?

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Flow knows what's going on, and I don't like it. What you don't like today, man? What you don't like today?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

I do not like nothing. I don't like Diddy verse.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Hey, why was he saying that verse? Like, why did he tear up your song like that, man?

SPEAKER_00 4:00

Yeah, I don't know what he did that for. Man, I walked out the studio pissed. I was like, yo, I didn't even want to record music for him no more. You saying, but he thought he sounded good too. Everybody kept telling him around him, he sounded good. I'd be like, Man, y'all got to really stop lying to this brother. Tell you the truth. You suck, the song sucks, your business sucks. Everything. What's going on, though? Flow flow knows.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Oh yeah, flow knows. Curry, let's cook. It's flow and curry. That means it's time to cook.

Introducing The Book And How To Buy

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Man, it's time to do it. Let's let's let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get a quick session in.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Yeah, let's get a quick session in. So, y'all, we're doing a QA. I told y'all I got the link attached to here, the Dancing with the Devil link, um, for Curry's book with all the info in it. Give them a little background of the book, Curry, and then um we'll see what what what uh what what they gotta uh what what questions and you know what questions they got.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

All right, right off, um who for those who want the autograph copy of the book too, you can send me a message. If you follow me too, I'll follow you back. Send me a message. You send me um if you you you can have Apple Pay a Cash App, Vim or whatever it is. I can get you a book, an autograph copy right there too. On the on the link, that's to the um to the audio book. Um, and it's on there too. So the link is in your thing, um, in your chat. All right, but um in the book, I wrote the book and I started writing the book in like 1990 something, like 98, 98, 2000. And then um I just it took me a minute to put the book together. But it was about um Puff really didn't know that when when he first met me, how he really knew me. He thought I was just an artist on his label. But uh I was somebody that knew him from the club. Like I knew him before back when in the platinum house when Suge Knight friend got killed at the club. I was standing right there because I used to work the door. I just don't think that he knew it. So the whole time that um when I was working with Bad Boy, I already already had a cold story, I already knew his whole story. I knew Kim Porter before he he he um before he even was dating her like that. I knew it when she dated Dallas Austin because Dallas went to school with me.

unknown 6:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

But let me give you an update.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Where's the link? I want one. DM me if you want the autograph copy.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

The link is attached to the uh tap show button. That's the that's the audio book. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, here we go. Boom. You should be able to see the link. Let me know if y'all can see the link now. I had to put show the link. I was waiting for Mark to be linked.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

It's all in my um screen. You see it? I see it, but I don't know how to get it off my screen. Now it's all on my nose and stuff. I see open link, but I'm gonna let it go.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

Okay, so y'all, that's the link. Tap the link and support the book. But we about to talk about. I'm telling y'all, y'all know me. I give y'all the good info. I don't even play around with clickbait and bullshit. Get this book. It's a lot of stuff in this book that ain't nobody talking about, like for real. Like he was breaking stuff down to me, and you know how much I know was going on. I ain't know half the shit he was saying, and it was right in the book.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

And you did not like it. Like it, yeah. But let me let me give y'all an update on everything. The first book I wrote in 2000, I released it in 2009, and then 2009, everything that I said in that book came true in 2025. It took me almost 20 years uh with this book before it finally made it to this Netflix series.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Hello, real mark.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

They say they say page not available when they click the link. Man, this DM me, and then I said everybody who send me a message, I'll get them a book. Tell everybody.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Everybody send Mark everybody send Mark Curry a message that wants the book.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

And then when I get off of this live, I'm gonna go back and respond to everybody's message, and I'm gonna make sure we got it right. And we're gonna have to walk you through it.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Everybody on the live, and I'm gonna keep at you. Can just do your thing, Mark, but I'm gonna keep announcing it as more people coming in and out. Everybody just send, don't worry about the link. Send Mark Curry a direct message and he's gonna respond.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Let's take the link off.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Uh okay, yeah, we can take the link off.

Origins: Clubs, Uptown, And Early Bad Boy

SPEAKER_00 8:24

We'll take the link off. Yeah, let's take the link off. All right, yeah, just message me and we'll take it. All right, so look, so in 2025, everything came true, 2024, and when Puff got arrested. Everything that I wrote about in the book, it happened again. So even having a juror um that was giving him the Google eyes, that happened in his first case. Um, everything that happened, and I wrote about it in the book, like the the Google Eyes with the Jura and all of this. He did that then. Then he had the one he did on this last case that he was on. But I kind of um it was just something that I knew. But like in the book, um, I talk about uh things that that that that they just didn't touch on. Like there's some things in this book, I mean, that they said that I don't know why it didn't raise suspicion to a lot of people. Like when Cassie said that um her and Kim Porter didn't get along, and and the the feelings was mutual. Kim didn't like Cassie. Cassie didn't like Kim. And then Cassie also, one of the things she said during that trial was when she told that sex worker that she'll unalive him. And then her boyfriend would dig him up and unalive him again, something like that. And I was like, damn, I, you know, if she's that kind of violent person, it kind of lets me understand a little bit more about like what could have happened. Seemed like it's a love triangle. So in the book, one of the chapters I got is called Love Triangle, which it talks about uh Misa dating Eric Simon before she got with Long Island, or they was they were fooling around and um Puffy was dating. Um he started messing around with Kim. Kim was working at Uptown, you know, she was the receptionist at Uptown. And then uh she had a her first boyfriend was uh I think Charles Soup. Then she got Al B Shore. Then she was with Dallas. Dallas, but she was with Dallas all the way through high school, ever since she was in the in high school. So then Al B Shaw, and then after that, I remember one time Al B Shore and Dallas had a fight. Uh it's funny, in Columbus in front of Kim Porter's house. You know what I'm saying? And both of them knocked each other out. You know what I'm saying? And we we pull up, it's Christopher Williams in the car. Well, well, Christopher Williams and Al B Shaw had uh they was at Kim Porter's house and they had Dallas trapped in the house. So he called us. We had to go down because you know, Dallas went to high school with me.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Okay, Austin, y'all talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Dallas, Austin. So we talk about Love Triangle, which is Sarah, the girl from Minnesota. I talk about when she came from Minnesota, so you can understand. We was from, you know, when we was, it was a Minnesota thing. Sarah came from Minnesota. That's Sarah. That's Puffy's baby mother.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Sarah Chapman. And then I learned that.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

That's that's Tupac's, that was Tupac's girlfriend. Yeah. Then Puffy took Sarah from Tupac. Um, well, I wouldn't say took it, but it just seemed like he always fell in love with somebody else's girl. He wasn't never creative enough to have his own kind of woman.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

And I know guys like that. Some guys they just get off on fooling with other men's women. It's almost like they're jealous of the man or they want to be like the man.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

And I don't like it. Um the first chapter on this The Birth. That's a chapter where I talk about like um, I don't know if y'all ever heard of a uh a dude named Darrell Ferguson who was ASAP ASAP uh ASAP Fergus' father, Darrell Ferguson, right? Darrell Ferguson was the one that that uh made the bad boy logo.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Okay.

2024–2025 Parallels And Trials

SPEAKER_00 12:11

And um he designed that. Darrell Ferguson, um, he died. Okay. Um, we talk about a lady named Francesca Spiro who handled all of the business matters on the production side. She died. So we talk about the birth, and we talk about um the beginning of that bad boy baby that everybody thought was them. Like we always thought that that logo was us. You know, a lot of us did. So I start I got a chapter there called The Birth, which just starts the whole bad boy thing. Okay. I got drop me. I got a chapter called Drop Me, which is about, you remember when they said it's it's it's it's like uh and yo, all of these, I got the audio book with the visuals on my Instagram page too. A couple of them, I'm doing a chapter at a time. I got three chapters on the Instagram right now, not the whole chapter, but I put like a little movies, little movie thing and sound score, you know, to it. So y'all check that out. I'll make sure I post it on here too. I'm gonna send that to y'all once y'all um whoever DMs me for a book, I'm gonna I'm gonna send y'all those those those those things too. But it was drop me, um, which was like uh about like going to this court case and not getting what we if this turned into sex scandals. It wasn't what we was looking for. We was kind of looking for what happened with the bodies at. We want to hear some real good stuff. Like I wanna, I didn't really care nothing about um you know him and his sexual escapades and his sexual preferences and all that. I did that wasn't really nothing, but they turned the whole court case into that. So I flipped that to let you know the more interesting things that we was really interested in that we we really didn't hear anything about, which to me shows that some things were swept up under a rug. Because it's a lot of things in here that like if Puffy would have really got tried for it and they took him to court for everything, they would have pulled the president in. And that would have been making a mockery of the United States president or the you know the system. So I believe they were like, before we let you um make a mockery of us of us, especially in front of other countries, we just not gonna bring this stuff up. So a lot of the stuff that we really wanted to hear, they did not bring it up. That's in drop me.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Then we got the woman between them. This and this talks about every woman that Puff ever had in between him and somebody else.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Okay. Him and Suge had some some of the same women, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Him and Suge, um, if you remember um when when when Puff in the beginning of the book, after uh Suge's friend Jake got killed, you would think Puff um Suge would have flew back to Los Angeles. No, Suge flew to New York. Suge flew to New York and picked up Misa and Justin. And they had a picture of them. Uh and he was on the red carpet and all of that sitting down, Justin right there. Yep, so that that right there, you know, he flew on over there with that. Puff went to New York. Um, this is a lot of those kind of things. That one is in um uh uh uh I got another chapter called Mark for Death, which is like is you're marked for death, everybody who was marked for death.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Connie said, where the book Connie send Mark Curry a direct message through Facebook, and he gonna he gonna respond to everybody who sent him a direct message and get y'all the book personally.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Yep, and I'm gonna send you some audio. I'm gonna send you another audio too. For who you get the physical book, I'm gonna give you an audio. And then um, so we got another joint on there called Living Legends. It talks about um Craig Mac and Black Rob. For a lot of y'all who who don't know, when Black Rob died, he died, he was holding my hand. He died, and and that was like uh something that really touched me. But I wrote the story about that, trying to get him to the hospital, how he died in the hospital, how the doctors told me that they couldn't bring him back, all of that kind of stuff. Just sharing the stage with him, Craig Mack, um dying of AIDS, um, breaking down the time when they said Craig Mack had AIDS for at least 10, 11 years. So when we break down where was he 10, 11 years ago, that's when he was back around Bad Boy, and he was frustrated that when he was talking about he wanted to do something to Puff. And Puff never, when you threaten Puff like that, Puff plays a little serious, but he's not gonna do anything himself. He has his his security, he has a lot of a lot of security. So if you threaten Puff like that, Puff is not gonna do much, but Puff knows how to do something to you, and that's how he's always been very sneaky individual, but we got like how did you manage to not get fucked up by Puff or just like jumped or just you know, a lot of the little shit he used to do?

SPEAKER_01 17:02

How would you? I know people want to know how was you able to come out of this whole situation?

Love Triangles And Industry Entanglements

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Because it was really like back in the times, back in the um in those days, I was a part of a circle of friends that it was from California. And as I get older, I don't like to say I was a part of a gang or nothing like that because I'm a I'm old and I don't I don't like to put that energy out there, but I was kind of like a part of a circle or something like that. Okay, and so he couldn't play me because if you do that, then it's like we we soldiers out here, like we're not we're not gonna stand for that. So he never he never really tried me. He used to ask me all the time, did I still want to fight? And I would honestly tell him yes. He'd be like, Mark Curry, you still want to fight? I'd be like, you know I do. Because you know, that's just the way my energy was towards him. So that's every time I see him, if he joke on me, I joke on him. He he can't laugh at me in front of his employees, and they just be laughing, like, oh Mark, he did this. I'd be like, but he's standing in front of the window with some see-through shorts and some d-dum to dumps on him. He got on, he got on punk panties, greeks, nut huggers. I'm like, and I'll sit there and say that about him in his office. Then they laugh, he gets mad. He gets mad. So I used to do stuff to him like that all the time. I used to, I used to, I used to ask Puck to borrow$10 just to fuck with him. Just so I could be like, I want you to know that sometimes$10 is something that you need. Like, just because you you don't need$10 don't mean you ain't never gonna need$10. You know, and at the rate things is going right now, I'm sure he's learning what money means. He's learning what it would it what it takes to lose money. He's learning what he what he has to do to preserve. That's why you know they he cut back on the allowances recently. You know, now let me tell y'all this. The court cases and things that he's going through by the time he gets done, he's not gonna have the money. He don't even have the money to go against Netflix. Netflix has so much money, they wish he would try to come after them with lawyers because they're gonna drown out the rest of drain the rest of his money out. And then now, when they come up in there and say, now, Mr. Puffy, we got a case going on here with Keefe D. He said you did this. Now we're gonna give you one chance to get out of his call. You better tell us everything you know. He's gonna be in there singing like 112. Now he's gonna be doing RB because he ain't gonna have no room to lie. So the I think the whole time where they got him sitting down was just something that they did to make sure he's sitting and to make sure that they're getting at some of that money. Because all of this stuff is about money, you know what I'm saying? And money they want from him, and money he never shared with nobody else. Your story, should I say? Your testimony, you lived and learned. Yeah, I lived it. I got one, another chapter. It's called Blackballed. The new this is the new book, Blackballed. It just talked about being Blackballed after I did Wendy Williams coming home to Atlanta. No, no, none of the radio stations from V103. None of them would wanted me to come into the it was like I was just the um, I was, I was just, people stopped talking to me and everything because he has so much money he was spending on Siroc that they was like, we don't even want to come nowhere near you because he spends X amount of dollars with us a year. So they wouldn't, they didn't want to get close to none of the stuff I was doing. So it talked about black ball.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

They talk about the when you got black ball. So when none of the none of the none of the uh none of the uh none of the radio stations in Atlanta will mess with you, or none of the radio stations, period.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Nah, radio stations would mess with me, but Atlanta wouldn't. Like um, because he has such an influence here. And plus a lot of people, like I went and did Wendy Williams in New York, I did Ed Love and Free in New York, and they were like, man, even in New York, people didn't like Puff. They was like, don't even worry about um if you come in here, if he got enough power to do this or do that, because don't nobody in New York really like him. So it's a lot of people in the industry that just didn't like Puff. You know what I'm saying? So that was Blackball, and then I got another joint called Super Freak. So Super Freak is really about the sex parties and all of that, but it was in the studios, and and the Super Freak thing was it, you know, all of the freak offs was in the studios, and it'd be with like, all right, let me give y'all one. Two uh Tupac was being managed. Uh let's say Haitian Jack, I believe. Haitian Jack also was trying to manage uh Madonna. But Madonna used to be in the studio, she was like a super freak. Like they you'd be Madonna go to the studio, everybody going to the studio. You could go, everybody could go in there and be and be with Madonna. And Tupac was he was gonna expose what he was already doing, and he was exposing Madonna and Jack's relationship. Okay, Madonna fired Jack. Madonna fired Jack because she was like, I can't be known or I can't be seen going running around town with somebody who that that kind of a gangster. Okay, and that made him real upset with Tupac. So we got a super freak. Um it just talks about you know the the the freak, no, this the freaky things, the stripper pose in the club, I mean in the studios with the girls was coming to the is like it was females that would come to the studio, man, that they look like really normal girls, but they really had a drug choice that was really heavy. Like some of them, you you if you had marijuana, it wasn't enough. They want cocaine, they want ecstasy, they want, they want all of the hard big boy drugs. And those was just how how it was. So it wasn't like you know, they came in there and you had to force it on them. They came in there looking for they and even when you go to the club, you go to the regular club today, and it's a lot of normal people in there, but you can you imagine how many women are in there just to to meet a guy for the night and go trick off? Yeah, it's a it's they in the club, they dress like regular people. It's not like so. The freaks wasn't really, you know, the freaks was almost everybody. Anybody could be one of them, you know what I'm saying? It just depends on what your limits were. So we talk about super free. Um, I got a joint in there called The House That Tommy Built, which is talking about him buying Tommy Matola's house. Tommy Matola built this house for 44 million. I think he bought it for like 20 something million. But at the time, um he was um doing the record on uh he was uh executive producing J Lo. And J Lo was signed to Tommy. And I believe he had owed Tommy some money for um what happened. You know, all of that club New York stuff happened, and they had already invested so much money in her, he had to pay her back. So the only way, you know, a lot of times people pay money back through like uh record, you know, get sign the artists, sign the artist, I sign them to the label, I'll get you the budget, but I'm never gonna put your artist out. I'm just gonna use the aristocracy money to give you that. And we ain't never putting that artist out. A lot of artists was like that. So it's a lot of artists that was on bad boy that nobody ever even got a chance to know about.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Damn, hey y'all, the uh the link I just tested it. I pinned the link and the pinned comment. You click that link, you can you can you can purchase the book, or you can also DM Mark Curry. But I I I I just tested that link, y'all, so it worked.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

DM me DM me if you want the autograph copy. That's the audio book there, too. And I got another audio book version that I'm gonna be updating soon.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Um can somebody the link, somebody in the chat try the pen link, um, and make sure it's working, but I just tested it, it's working. So somebody uh tick click the link, the pen link. That's the link to the book. Click it and then let me know if it worked.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

And DM me. Let's go. I'm looking for y'all. I need y'all. I got another joint called Puff Power.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Yeah, these chapters she said is these chapters in the book. These we're always talking about.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

What's the new book? I'm giving you the update.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Yeah, he gives the update. So click the link in the book, and you'll get the backstories to everything. Only thing we're talking about right now in this live is what's in this book and this link, or something to do with it.

The Birth: Logos, Loss, And Legacy

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Yes, all right. We got um Puff Power and the Liquor. That talks about when he went up against that liquor company, which really started it. He he he said that that he wanted to charge, um, take them to court and say that they just discriminated against him. Then um, I was like, wow, Francesca Spiro, before she died, she sued Puff because Puff fired her and said that she was too old and he he wanted to hire somebody younger. So she sued Puff for uh discrimination. And that was and then shortly after Francesca died, right? Shortly after she died.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

What did Francesca die from?

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Um, it was an illness, I think it had something to do. It was it was like a weird illness. I think it was a hip surgery or something. I, you know, it was in the book, you gotta get the book. And um it was a it's a lot of things that I hate to say about, you know, like her, like some people, a lot of a lot of it may have been like drug addiction because she was a kind of addicted to the to the medicine that they was giving her from the surgery. Okay. Um but how she died is just mysterious. You know, everybody who had held a position, a high position at uh in Bad Boy, except for probably Kirk Burroughs. Kirk Burroughs was killed in a in a in a not physical way. He was killed. He Puffy really assassinated Kirk's character. And he left from there like to to to live with Kirk was living like, if you can imagine, that's a a rough life to be homeless and you you um started, you own 25% and started bad boy, and you homeless.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Yeah, the biggest, especially at that time, the biggest label out, like you're talking about this when they was hot, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Yeah, yeah, when back in when as soon as it was, because um when Puffy got fired from Uptown, Andre uh when he got pot fired from Uptown, Kurt was at Uptown too. And Andre told Kurt that he had a choice, either he can go work with Puff or he could stay at Uptown. And because he told Puff that he fired him because he said it can only be one king under castle, it can't be two kings under in a under castle. So he fired Puff, told him he can go do better, whatever. Puff went and uh him and um Kurt Burroughs went and started Bad Boy, and they started with Biggie. They also gave him Biggie because they didn't even believe in Biggie. Uptown. They was like we they didn't believe, so they gave him Biggie. He went with Biggie, and then um that's when they started the uh bad boy. That that label um Kurt went and got the LLC for the name. Daryl drew up the baby. Everybody who helped Puff got screwed. Only person, only person that came out in the in the winning winning position was Puff. Everybody else got shitted on.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

So the person did the person get paid good that drew the bad boy's logo, or he died too.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Damn. Told you. Just imagine if he was still living, every time that bad boy logo was sold on a shirt, he would be making money. Yeah, that's the issue. Yeah, that's that's an issue.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Yeah, and that's perpetuate, that's forever, too. He be making money.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah, but now look at look at what happened. He he he he can't even embellish in his dream. That's why the birth, that chapter that I did, that's what that one was about.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

And then I got what was his name, the dude that drew the emblem?

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Darrell Ferguson.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Daryl Ferguson.

Drop Me: What The Courts Ignored

SPEAKER_00 29:24

ASAP Ferg's father, like ASAP Rocky and ASAP Ferg. Uh-huh. Um uh uh, what's that song Ferg got? Put in work, put him in the dirt. That's Darrell Ferguson's son. Damn. Okay. And uh even even the the logo, the the bad boy logo, it was said that that was uh Darrell Ferguson. I mean uh ASAP Fergus when his father, when he was that was he was the bad boy logo, but it was somebody else that said it was them. But I know Darr drew the logo, and he had just had a baby. I don't know if he's gonna use another baby to draw besides his own baby that was right there in his house. So we got this one joint called Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll, where it talks about, you know, like in rock and roll, they have people on stage biting off batnecks, they defecating on themselves, rubbing it on themselves, and then jumping in the crowd and people hugging them. And it was real weird because they were it was sex drugs and rock and roll, but then when it became sex drugs and hip hop, it was a problem. So now everything that they seen us doing, and they said that we were wrong for doing everything that they've been doing for so long. So I break that down because that's something that I think everybody needs to understand. You know, just like how they they say we're wrong, like there's not supposed to be drugs and see, and then we break down what industry really means. Industry is really the streets, it's an industry game. Um, it's it's people who sell drugs that want to have an artist and one day be a Puff Daddy. It's about Puff Daddy meeting that that one drug dealer that wants to be a record owner, a label, and then now pulling together and then getting money from getting signing his group, getting him, then the group never comes out, or something. Well, it just makes him a bigger person signing people who already had that kind of life. Um I got and then I got we gonna be alright. It's a chapter about all of the artists. This just like we're gonna be alright, basically. You know, just being tough, going through what you gotta go through, those that went through it. Um what I saw. I just did the other chapter yesterday called From the Dirt. Y'all just gotta really get into this book. I can't sit here and explain it all to you, but you can DM me, and that's just one book. I've the other book is a the first book is 24 chapters, and the second book is 18 chapters, altogether 444 pages.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

So that's ready. And um, again, y'all DM me for the autograph copy. You can DM me for any kind of book you want, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna answer all of these DMs when I get off of this, and I appreciate everybody who's who's who's participating and supporting me. You know, I appreciate it, really do. But let's talk.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Yeah, yeah. So I appreciate so so Mark, so as as far as for bad boy, um where where where where was you at? Where did you come in at? Like as far as coming into the inner workings of bad boy? Was it when Kirk Burroughs was doing all that, or did you come in after that? Like, when did you come into the bad boy situation? Like, what was there when you came?

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Um, Kirk was there, but Kirk, Kirk was I was in Los Angeles. So all of the all of the artists from New York, I was I was in Los Angeles because I was signed from the people who he he did the uh the production deal with was from Los Angeles. So I was based there.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

So like um, I'll tell you another one. When Biggie and them, when Biggie came to Los Angeles, when he you know, when he got murdered, I saw him at the mall, him and B Rock, we saw him at the mall at the Beverly Center, and they would just walk. We was like, you cannot be just walking around the mall like this, bro. Like, because we knew him. You can't just be in the Beverly Center like this. People would think the Beverly Center is sweet, but the Beverly Center is actually built on a gang turf. So the Beverly Center actually belongs to, it's like Fox Hill Malls. The 60s used to go there. So, not that I was involved in all that stuff, but when I had to go to the mall, I had to go to the mall that the neighborhood that I was around, I had to go to the gas station that they said is cool to use because it looked like a nice place, but you go in a gas station, you think, let me just go in here and get some gas. And it happens, just in a beautiful neighborhood, violent, beautiful neighborhoods. So I lived there. And um, so when Puff and them came, like that when he when Biggie got murdered, I was supposed to go out with them, but I had gone back to the studio, and my attitude was like, I don't want to go and hang out with them because they all have things going on for themselves. They all have their careers is is already launched and they're moving. I don't have that right now. So I said, let me go back to the studio because we used to have to put all our music on this. We didn't have emails back then. We couldn't email. We had AOL dollar. Um, so we in order to get music from Los Angeles to New York, we had to put it, burn it, and then put it in the uh in FedEx and send it. So when they came, I said, instead of doing all of that, I'm gonna go dump my files off the studio in the studio, give it to Puff while he's here so he could take it back to New York with him.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

So that day I went and did that. And then later on, my uh my partner called, he was like, yo, they just killed Big. And I was like, What? He said, Yeah, they just killed Big. And then the next day, the police had came to his house and took all of the pictures that he had. We had taken some pictures the day before. I still got some of the pictures, like with Carl Thomas. It was just a lot of us. We was in the in bar one on sunset. And Biggie, everybody was there, Puff, Mario, Mario, Carl Thomas. Um, everybody was there and that night, and I remember when I saw Big earlier that day. But yeah, I I talk about I talk about that in the book.

unknown 35:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Somebody said, do you know Derek Lee Cordell Smith? Or whoever that is.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Derek Lee Cordell Smith. Sound like four people. Who's that?

SPEAKER_01 35:54

People is that's his whole name, Derek Lee, Derek Lee, or is that two names?

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Uh like Harold White, Flo Daddy, Flo. I'm like, that's like 18 names. No, Darren Lee Cordell. Is that name sounds familiar, but I it does it's not registering to me. It sounds familiar, but uh, I just it's not registered. Derek Lee Cordell, what did he do? Ask that.

Living Legends: Craig Mack And Black Rob

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Yeah, what what did Derek Lee Cordell do? Well, um, and if it's in the book, you don't gotta go into what's in the book because they're gonna buy the book, y'all. You can click this link or you could DM Mark Curry directly, or you can click the link, the pen link in the live, purchase the book. That's what we're talking about in the book. But um, side of the book, what what type of uh relationship stuff did you see between like Kim and and Puff that you was around? You know what I mean? Like what what what type of how was their relationship from what you saw?

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Kim will whoop Puff ass. Like he he she was the only one. Like if he put her, if he put his hands on her, she was putting, she's he's coming out scratched up. Oh, she you know how it happens when you be like, damn, bro, you done had a fight with a cat. You in the studio, like, damn, somebody really scratched you up really bad. That's what you would be wanting to, you'd be saying that to him. You'd be like, Where Kim? You ain't gonna see Kim for about a month. He done put her in the hotel, let her go heal. That's what he always does after he has a fight. He go put the girl in a hotel, let her stay there for a couple months, weeks, whatever, until she healed. And that's a place of school that she was jailed.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

We did hear that about Cassie during the court stuff about times where where she he put hands on her, and then um, and then he'll have her in the hotel room for a while while she healed up.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

Yeah, but you can read when you get the book, you're gonna see how it was going down with Kim and them and and how and I never saw him be violent to a Sarah though. I don't think he and I wrote that in the book too, because I don't think that Sarah came from the streets too. Like she was part of us, and I don't think that if he did that, I don't it wouldn't have it would have been a no-fly. Gotcha. Putting your hands on her. You know what I'm saying? She was from Minnesota and her people, her people had she already came from a well-off family before she met Puff. You know.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Um a lot of other things people be asking about, was you around during the Shakir era? Like when Shakir was in that little love triangle, where it was supposed to be like Shakir, Kim Porter, and and Diddy, Puff.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Definitely, but you know, once we're gonna tell them again, DM for the book. Yep, get that link, DM me, I'm gonna get you the book. Yes, um, Kim, if you see in the book, I it's a picture with me and Shakir standing. And Shakir was a good friend of mine in Atlanta, right? And he used to be with this group, he used to be with 2620, and they started off with a record label. Uh, it was called uh, I forget what it was called, but they had uh Jazzy Faye, whole bunch of producers. And um, yeah, Shakir. And so I was there in the studio when Shakir Puffy had had Kim Porter's phone tapped, so he could know everybody that was calling her, what they was talking about. So Shakir had left a message on her phone, and he was asking, How is um, how was my kids? And he was talking about Puffy's kids. And Puffy got mad. Puffy got mad at that. But Shakir was one of them kind of dudes, like he's one of them slick dudes. Oh, he or I think he slept with all the girls. That's just what kind of dude he was, but Puff didn't like that. Only, only, only Puff wants to be the only one that sleeps with somebody else's girl, don't want nobody else to sleep with his girl.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Oh, and so he ain't like that. Because Shakir was always a good dude. I knew Shakir just on passing. Um, when I was with Floyd, and Shakir used to come around a lot. He was a cool dude, he was smoking.

Surviving Puff And Industry Power

SPEAKER_00 39:58

Shakir was a real Cool dude, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot of a lot of things that was going on in that situation. Like, um, like for an example, back then it was a myth that people were recording people in their homes. Like people would come into their house, like you go to so uh uh some big record exec's house, and they would be recording, every everything would be recorded. And by the time they do what they would be doing in that house and they have you on film, that's when they like, listen, if do you want me to send this camera, this footage right here to your wife? Again. You'd be like, nah, it's enough, it's enough pressure to make you kill yourself. That's what kind of stuff they would catch on people. But this was going on before they had all of those tapes and stuff that they wanted to get from his house in this last case. In this last case, they wanted all of the tapes of everything that was recorded, but you gotta imagine. If you went to Puffy's party and you got high on drugs and passed out, and you was on film, and you was the CEO of Tesla or whatever it may be, and we got you on film, on drugs, having sex with all kind of all kinds of things is going on. Now, here's what we could do either I can put this tape out, or you can give me a thousand free lexices, or you could give let me be a party or let me do all your commercials or something. Let me let me partake in something heavy. Like, let me tell you who's gonna perform at the NBA halftime. Right? See, and that's why they would be, you know, that's when you remember when uh it was a film he had out there, and he was stupid for doing this. When he had uh the dude was passed out on his couch, and he was like, This is what happens when you come to a Diddy party. The dude was totally passed out, head down on a chair like this, and he sitting there, this this is what happens. See, so now that you know when they come to Diddy Party, they they come and get on them drugs, pass out. They will request to have their own drugs, like people would fly in their own drugs, their own parties and things like that. That's how they would do because to come somewhere and trust somebody else's drugs is something that a lot of those people wouldn't want to do, so they have to have their own party flavors. So, and then he had this one thing that they was working on that once you come to his party, it's like an IV, what they it'll bring you back. It's like an IV, liquid IV. So he was into that. So I believe that may have had something to do with why all of that oil was there, because he was actually like people wouldn't come to his party if he didn't have that liquid IV, you know, that dare. Because they knew if we passed almost like uh Nuricane, what's it, Nuricane?

SPEAKER_01 42:50

Uh Novakane.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

The the stuff that when you OD, you put it in your squirt and then play it in their nose, they'll come back.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Oh, uh what is I don't know what's that called. I don't know what you're talking about, though.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

Uh I think it's called uh Norcane, Snovacane, something Nova Cain. Okay, okay. But um, it was something equivalent to that. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? And um, so that's what a lot of stuff, man. It's a lot of stuff that they just totally dis didn't tell y'all or mention inside that case, man. The book is more interesting than this court case, if you ask me. Because I didn't leave out, I didn't leave out much of anything.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

Oh, okay. Yeah, that that's I was trying to see. Oh, yeah, somebody said Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

See, Nuracan, there it is. See, Michael Jackson, y'all gotta remember this one too. And uh, I'm gonna tell y'all another one. Whenever you're an artist, you're a yeah. When you're an artist, do you know if Courtney, what was that question? Courtney Burgers really has tapes. I don't know. If she does, if somebody, I don't know if somebody in trouble. But um, what I was going to tell you, Flo, I was ready to go into something.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

The Michael Jackson or something you said something.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Okay, let's go into this. Um, first, when you sign as an artist to a label, not all the time, but in most cases, they take a life insurance policy out on you as soon as you sign.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

So when you die, they're gonna take care of your funeral, things like that, because they got a life insurance policy on you. Plus, if you uh take out a deal, and let's say you owe them$350,000 still on your deal, when you die, they're gonna get their money back. They're gonna get their$350,000 back because they're gonna get it out that life insurance, right? So it's just a way for them to secure their investment.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

So when you got somebody like Michael Jackson, who owned, you know, he he probably owed what$500 million? And they're like, when are we gonna get our$500 million, Mike? So they tried to put Michael on tour. And he couldn't go on tour. Remember, he couldn't get through it because he he was sick.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

He was sick, yeah. He couldn't, he was, he barely could get through practice.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

So they could, they did not, they did not finish the tour, but they put him on tour to try to get that money back. Then after he got sick, they then he died, right? Do you think they got their money back? Oh yeah. Yeah, see, that's just how they Whitney Houston, you think they got their money back from her? Yeah, every artist, but people don't follow the pattern and they don't see the signs. You know, like if it's a good question, if you really want to ask a good question, ask all of these business execs, ask whoever, ask Janice Combs, ask LA Reed, ask Clive Davis, ask them is it true that they take out life insurance policies on their artists? It's a question nobody asks at. Nobody asked. You know, but yeah, it's a lot of stuff, man. You know, the book is the book, it's it's it's there. It's everything. I I really like it. I'm not, you know, not just because it's mine, but y'all gotta get a copy of that book.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

Mark, you still got your Christmas tree up, man?

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Don't say that loud, man. My girl gets mad because she she's like, don't go live with the Christmas tree still in the bag. But you want to know what? Look at it. See all the little ornaments? Mm-hmm. She gotta take it apart. She gotta put that stuff up until next year. Do you know she got to wrap each one of those things? That's why it's still sitting there.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

That's why it's still sitting there, cuz she gotta wrap them. Look, they're gonna go in this.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

Okay, oh yeah, y'all got the official, the official storage kit. Y'all official.

Super Freak: Studios, Parties, And Risk

SPEAKER_00 46:57

I can't wait till she takes that thing apart. I'm I'm just gonna have me a drink. Uh I see, yeah, it'd be like procrastinate. Yeah, she's I don't know. Yeah, yeah. And then look, Flow. She even got stuff she ain't even used. Laying all around the house. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Hey, look, your woman official on the on the decoration side.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

And she gonna she's gonna sit there and say, She gonna um she went and shopped for more stuff and said she's gonna save it to next year. I was like, are we spending money now for next year? Oh my gosh, are we rich? And you're not telling me. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Hey, look, I already knew she was official when y'all had three trees.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

Man, three, she had one of them over there.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

I about to say, I know it's some that we don't see.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Y'all can't. Man, man, she had she decorated the yard. The yard had Santa Claus, all lights and stuff on the outside. We had stuff on the side saying, Merry Christmas, bye-bye, all of this stuff. Like, man, look.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Hey, look, you got you gotta buy about five gifts just to put a gift under each one of them. That's just starting it off.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Man, this is incredible.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Yeah, man. Y'all gotta get that. And me and me and uh look, say flow flow with the moat. Hey, look, uh, we working on we working on a podcast too, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

We oh, yeah, you telling you told them about it.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

Uh I ain't really. I'm this the first time we're going into it right now. I ain't said nothing.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

This you're gonna like this. That we got to change that way. You're gonna like this. You're gonna like this. Yeah, it's gonna be pretty interesting. We get something like that going.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

Yeah, what y'all think about that? What y'all think about Flo and Curry coming with a uh a podcast?

SPEAKER_00 48:53

You know, what would be a good name? See if somebody said if they if yeah, give us a good name. What they said, we need a good name.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

Give us a good name for for uh Mark Curry and Flo doing a podcast together, and we're gonna cover all the trending topics. We're gonna cover what we got going on, we're gonna cover everything. We ain't gonna box ourselves in. We're covering everything.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

That's right. Well, heck yes, we love the truth. The truth, the truth will set you free.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

Yeah, something about truth. Something about truth. I think our title should have something about truth in it.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

It could, but we gotta get deeper than that. Because when when when we start seeing uh that you know they say the truth shall set you free, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Uh-huh. Hey, somebody said, Okay, so I do want an autograph copy. Two key Yolanda.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

That's what's good.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Yolanda says, So, what does she do? She says she wants to be a good one.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

DM me as soon as I get off. I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a messenger.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

And then everybody, I'm talking to Yolanda, but everybody on this live, I'm gonna repeat, DM Mark Curry directly for an autograph copy of the book. He got audio books that he's updating. Oh, no, okay. Okay, so so so y'all could definitely uh get all type of exclusive book info by DMing Curry. I would if everybody in this chat, if y'all want to know the real stories, I would DM Mark Curry as soon as we get off of this live, and he's gonna respond to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

See, this is what we're doing right here.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Let's go. Look, hey, we got books for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

We got books for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

We got them. Look at Postgre we got going on.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

I'm about to be covered. I you ain't even gonna see me in a minute. Watch, I'm about to bury myself. I'm gonna bury myself. Come on, come on. I ain't gonna do it, but yeah, we got the books. Somebody said, all of the books is here, it's 447 pages of it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 50:53

So Tracy says she needs one. Tracy, you got a DM Mark Curry. Hey, look, Mark Curry, Tracy Anderson White. When you see Tracy Anderson White, you'll know because she got the same last name as me. She is one of one of the biggest supporters of the show. Treat her, treat her good.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

When you see, I'm gonna have to do, I'm gonna have to treat her like you treat it because we we're gonna have that show. Yep. So everybody gotta get everybody, your family, my family, my family, yours.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

Well, family, we already got a foundation.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

So what about my casa? My casa, my casa su casa. Yeah, we might have to use that one on the show. Like my casa, come to my casa, come to my casa, my casa su casa, and then when you get in there, only thing you have to do is say, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

Like it, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna hashtag mine on the in and out say, and me neither.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

Hey, hey, hey, oh yeah, me neither. Hell yeah. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Me neither that's gonna be my name, me neither.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Me neither. So I'm gonna say I don't like it.

SPEAKER_00 51:54

Me, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

And uh she said, can you send it to England?

SPEAKER_00 51:59

Yes, I can. So I'm coming to um I'm going to uh I'm going to Germany in March. How far is England from Germany? It's not that far, right? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

Hey y'all, he said he said I was coming. Now he just said he's going.

SPEAKER_00 52:13

Oh no, no, yo, you going too hundreds of people.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

Me neither. Yeah. Mark Curry done curved me. No, I'm just pleased.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

Nah, but you know, you know, that's why I want everybody also on this, on this, that's reading this right now. We're not asking for no handouts or nothing like that. No handouts, but we are going to Germany, and we got to get a couple of more flights. So anything people do to help us get, you know, make sure we secure flights and hotels and stuff. We got them though, but it would be nice for us to have a little bit of a push because, like, you know, I want you there.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

Yeah, so everybody grab these books, a proceeds, some a portion of these proceeds going towards getting me to Germany with Mark Curry on this tour.

SPEAKER_00 53:02

Exactly. And that's what it is. I might have to use that one. And that's what it is. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

That's what's up. Yeah, man. Yeah, y'all gonna love our show, man. You might as well you might as well tell them a little bit about the tour since we since we uh tell them to send them dollars in.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

I bet. So we're gonna go, we're gonna start off with going to Germany in March. We're gonna go uh to Berlin. We're gonna go to Berlin for four days. Then uh we're gonna dip on over. They got us over in the United Kingdom. We're gonna go to the United Kingdom. Uh, we got some things to do out there, some some big things out there with um some artists and some uh bookstores and stuff like that. And then we got Denmark. Denmark. We're gonna get out to Denmark too. I'm trying to put Denmark together right now, but everything is is uh uh UK is an hour and 30 minutes away on the flight, and Denmark is four hours away driving from Berlin. Okay, so we just gonna go out there and and make sure we we get the best of it. They're gonna treat us real good out there.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're looking forward to that. I'm excited, man.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Yeah. That's where we're gonna start off our um first our first little thing. We're gonna start it off right there with traveling. Then we're gonna come back and go crazy.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

Definitely, definitely. So what what what else we got up, Mark, before we get on up out of here?

SPEAKER_00 54:36

Man, we're gonna we're gonna keep on pushing, man. Keep on going, man. Like uh I'm branding this branding this. It's a little, it's a little bit more in branding, something like this than just, you know, because I gotta look at my whole image. Sometimes I gotta look at every picture I post to make sure that the pictures are saying exactly what I'm saying. So um we having to go through now and just kind of reshape some things. So that's what we're working on for the next for the next month. And then the month after that, we be ready to go. But I'm working on that right now, hard. And I'm trying to make sure that these I do like a uh audiobook a day uh with the visuals. So every day I have a new chapter that I work on, because I got like 37 of them to do, but I'm I'm like four, four in, three or three in so far. But I'm gonna leave them because I want people to read the audio, get the audio book, get familiar. So when we go on things like this and we talk, they can ask questions, specific questions like on page number three in the book. What happened right here? How did that end up? What happened after that? So it makes the conversations a little bit more interesting.

SPEAKER_03 55:45

So I think, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

And for those who don't like to read, I know a lot of people don't like to read, so that's why I did the audio book for you. And it don't get it off of Amazon because it's in the Chinese lady voice, it's gonna sound like you ain't pay your phone bill. So get it, yeah. You don't want that. Yeah, you do not want that. I might have to use that one, and you don't want that.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

It's a Chinese lady, so don't get it off Amazon. Book club. Hey, look, she said book club would be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 56:19

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm tacking the book clubs right now, too. All of the book clubs, because that's when you know, when when I do something with books, I want to I want to deal with people who like to read books, and I don't like to cross, you know, and try to do something a function with people who don't like to read books that just want to come out to hang out with Mark Curry. Nah, it's all about books. We ain't we ain't hanging out, we selling books, we moving books, and we making noise, and we make a history right now. We make a history, make a history.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

Hey Donna, his his real Facebook profile is Mark Curry. You can look him up, you can look him up on my friends list if you can't find them just by typing it in. But you should see Mark Curry as soon as you type it in.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

And if you can't find me on there, go to my Instagram, um Mark M-A-R-K-K one more time. 2K's M-A-R-K-K-C-U-R-R-Y. I want y'all to follow me on all of them. Follow them on Instagram, I'm gonna follow you back, and I'm gonna talk to you. You know, people be telling me you should you shouldn't be having enough time to talk to people. You shouldn't be talking to people on Instagram or nothing like that in messages because it makes it seem like you ain't doing you, you you you supposed to be too busy to be real.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

What that don't make no sense. It don't make no I don't like I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_00 57:40

So I'm supposed to not talk to people and act like I'm stuck up. Right. People think that that fame is when you get something like that, that you gotta you gotta go sit down somewhere and don't talk to nobody.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

Right. That ain't that ain't how it goes.

Character Assassinations And Unpaid Creators

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Yeah, and when I responded, I respond to people on the DM, they be like, Wow, I can't believe you responded. I'll be like, What are you talking about? You did you message me? I'm gonna respond, right? They'd be like, I cannot believe you responded. I'm 50, I'm still on face eight. Oh yeah, ha ha ha. But yeah, Yolon De Car, what's going on? Man, I appreciate y'all too, man. I'm just letting y'all know beforehand. I really appreciate y'all. I appreciate coming on this this platform right now today, too, with flow because we've been trying to plan something for a minute, but I guess planning it makes it prolongs it, but just doing it like this makes it better, and we can do this more often as long as we don't get on and kill, kill, kill. We can do this, we can do one of these kind of things every day if we wanted to, yeah, for real.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

And that's the thing, especially when me and you we just come from the heart and the soul, so it don't have to be all plan because it's natural to both of us, you know what I'm saying? It's like so, like you said, I was thinking the same thing. I said, Sometimes you get into planning plan, and some people they can only do it by planning, you know what I'm saying? I'm not a person I can get on here, it's like a fish and water for me.

SPEAKER_00 59:07

Yeah, yeah. The plans don't never really they sound good sometimes, but it when you gotta be dedicated to them, and then when they don't work, it's it's a it's sometimes it's a letdown, yeah. Like, I ain't making no plan, I'm just going along with the flow. That way, if it don't work, I ain't gonna have my feelings involved.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Like you said, go along with the flow. That's why they call me flow. That's really my best way when I do my best work, is just flow. I just know flow.

SPEAKER_00 59:32

I kind of like that one too. Go along with the flow. Every time you say something, it sounds like a new podcast show.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

Yeah, we gotta get that name, y'all. Sit send us some DMs when y'all getting that book. Um, just here with y'all enjoying the live. They're enjoying it. Yeah, look for our podcast, but give us some podcast names too, man. We're gonna go through us and pick a good name, yeah. We're gonna put it together, and we might we're gonna do the same thing. We ain't gonna overthink it. We might come straight like Nightcap. We might do some episodes straight, virtual, like that. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

Sometimes you can start picking the news, what's going on, and just get on a little bit every now and then. Just talk so so because I don't like to always talk about the book, even though I love to talk about my book. Yeah, no, we can talk about the trending, like what's going on. Yeah, so much more about me. That's more I think is interesting. It's it's a lot of things that's interesting about you. So we gotta we gotta get in and maybe just talk about the things that's happening and let them get it. Let them get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

Yeah, for sure. And then when something when something really happened, we pop on, you know what I'm saying? And talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

It's like the news. Yep, yeah, the news reports. I want to do the same thing. And Flor, I'm putting on, I'm putting on the suit. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna try that because I don't want to look like Camron and Mason them. I just I you know, because people are gonna be like, oh, you're trying to get dressed up like them. I am, but I'm like, damn, everybody getting dressed up. They done got rid of those Nike Quartet, got them quarter zips. I don't even know where the firm whip marshals sell them.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:09

Right, right, right, right. It's time.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:11

I'm the Marshalls.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

We might Ross. We don't cost, it won't be on me, boss. Hey, look, go with a quarter zips is a quarter. A quarter zip, man. I said, God, they not changed everything. 25 hours. Yo, all of a sudden, one day they said, Wearing those is whack, and you need to you need to put on this. And I said, Wow, look at how fast they're able to make us trend in the stuff. They're trying to clean, have us clean our act up, gonna tell us that we look stupid if we don't put on a quarter zip, and and we buying it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

Yeah, hell yeah. Donna said it's Donna says real shit speaking. Flo is the man. I'm in England, nothing is said, only the trial. This is the only person I follow for the truth. Thanks, Flo. Thank you, Donna.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

We're gonna bring that truth, Mark. We like that, we like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:01

We're gonna bring that truth to our podcast, man. We're gonna get that thing popping, yeah. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

You know, they got a couple, they're supposed to have a couple more episodes of that docuseries because it was we recorded so much more. They ain't even man, they had me in there for eight hours. They and they had they got so much more footage that y'all did not even get a little bit of it. For real, just y'all didn't even get a little bit of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

Yeah, that's how it goes. You said I remember you said there was a whole bunch of stuff that you said that should have been in there that you said or did certain something way more better than that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

I'm like, man, you I could have went. I think everybody in that court should have read my book.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:42

Yeah, I think I feel that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:45

They would have been like, wait a minute, this is the same thing you saying now. You said this did you keep saying the same thing. That's how they'll get them. Like, Word, for real, right? That's how Puffy died. That's how it's the same story. It's just this this the same suit reheated. I call it the reheat, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

You said the original, the the trial back in the day, the jurors, it was jurors googly eyed and and starstruck.

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SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

It's in the book, and then and I wrote that in 2000. Wow, so that means it was before this. So I'm explaining to you what happened then, which is exactly what's happened now. So you'd be like, Wow, I didn't even remember I wrote that until I was reading it when I was just doing the edits, and I was like, Wow, I wrote this, I forgot about that. He was they was doing the Google eyes with the jurors. You know, when you when you in court, they say if you just look at a juror and stare him down, they'll have a connection, especially if you're somebody like Puff, they'll damn near fall in love with you. Looking at you, it's like J Lo keep looking at me. I'm like, I know J Lo ain't looking at me. J Lo look at me like that one more time. He better not be looking at me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, think about if you in court and you a juror and J Lo keeps staring at you, like J Lo, you you like my shirt?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

Right, right, right. You're gonna your your your verdict gonna change.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

Yeah, I'll be getting, I'll be starting to do like this. You know that one, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

When people look at next thing you know, next thing you know, not guilty.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

Yeah, not guilty. They got her on camera. Not guilty. This girl was smiling like, um you know who they you know whose sister that is, right? Who? The dude from Get Out. Who's that's the not the sister? You remember him on Get Out?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

Yeah, the the hat on, yeah. With the hat on, yeah. That was his sister, his real sister.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:44

If you ask me, it ain't real, but I'm just saying it just looked like that to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm about to say, yeah, they look like identical twins. If you ask me, I'm like, damn, was that his twin? Get out. Get out. Oh my gosh, he was just cheesing too. I said, Jira, what was her name? Jura number 380. What was her name?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:03

Yeah, Jira 161, some shit. I know you're talking about though.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:08

I mean, golly, you know what I'm saying? You know, she got you know somebody done gave her some. When do you think 50 will release the second neck fist? I don't know, cuz all right, let me tell y'all this. He's not gonna uh uh uh announce it or promote it because if you do that, you're gonna give people heads up and have enough time for them to put lawsuits and stuff together, so it's gonna drop so fast that a lawyer ain't gonna be able to do nothing. Oh, so he's gonna just come out with it. He's gonna drop it. It's probably being two days. It's a two-day promotion. When they did the um the docuseries, I recorded that a year ago, and I didn't know it was gonna be released until two days. I didn't know it was gonna get released until December. And then look, cold thing is Damon Dash was on, he was like, What's up with the 50 Cent Netflix? Have you seen it? It's cap. It's cap. Man, when he said that, man, I was so hurt. I was like, Man, you mean to tell me? I thought that they I was like, damn, somebody done bought me and put me on hush. I couldn't talk the whole trial. And I couldn't say nothing the whole trial because I was under contract, right? So I'm like, damn, I can't say nothing. So then Dave said, yo, 50 50 cent docuseries all capped. Man, my heart went to my shoes. Then and then I didn't know it was gonna happen. I just thought that they was playing. And then they called and said, yo, it's gonna be released in two days. I said, What? They said two days. And I was like, all right, and they did it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:43

Yeah, because I remember you even told me, remember, because you told me about you know that it was coming before, like, you know, that it was work before all that came. So that's how I knew you was in the loop.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

Yeah, I was I I was I'm the one. The whole docuseries. All right, let me tell you this. Put it all together. In my first book, I talk about Kurt Burroughs. Okay, it's 25%. I talk about um, I talk about uh I talk about Craig Mack. I talk about Eric Simon.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

That's in my book. The whole docuseries had those individuals in there. So basically, my book was the blueprint for the docuseries.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:30

It was the blueprint for the docuseries.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:32

And guess what? I believe that too, because what nobody really talking about, Eric Cern. Like that's what I think. Not at all. That came from somewhere.

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SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Yeah, not at all. It came from it came from him knowing Misa. And then and then I also knew Eric because that he's the first person I was doing music with. And Puff never, when I signed the bad boy, Puff would never let me get a trap from Eric. I used to be like, what do you got against Eric that you don't like? What do you dudes got going on? So it was two things. One was Craig Mack. Craig Mack, his first name was MC MCH, something like that. I can't think of make sure when we hang up, everybody figure out. So next time we talk, we want everybody to tell us what was Craig Mack's original rap name. Before it was Craig Mack. But then he was he used to be on the road with E PMD. And then he was gonna, you know, he was Eric was gonna have him as an artist, but then Puff signed him. Puff signed Craig Mack. So then now you got Craig Mack, Eric Sermon, and then you got Misa. That's enough for Craig to for Puff to not like Puff. I mean uh uh uh Eric.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

So he didn't like Eric just because Eric had Craig Mack first?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:51

No, he didn't like uh him and Eric didn't get along for several reasons, I believe. One would be, I would say first was Craig Mack. Second, Misa.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:01

I understand the Misa. What what what was the beef for Craig Mack, though? What was they why why wouldn't he like it?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:08

Because Craig Mack, before he was Craig Mack, his the who the rapper he was, he was he was um opening up for EPMD on their shows. Because they all from Long Island, Craig Back's from Long Island, EPMD's from Long Island, right? So they Long Island. So he was already working. What you drinking? Pepto Bismal on ice? So he was already sparkling. That's that expensive water. That's that expensive water. MC Easy. There you go, Cole Page. MC Easy, okay. MC Easy. There it is. MC Easy. But you know, Craig Mac, did y'all hear his wife when she was like, she didn't think that she thought that somebody gave Craig Mac the HIV? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What about the drill? Why we ain't hear nothing about, you know, you want to know something else? When the whole trial though, they say Puff didn't um, he didn't participate in none of that stuff, right? He didn't participate really in none of those sexual parties and stuff. Right, right, right. He used to sit back and put the swacker then put put the stuff on, you know. Give me that. Rubbing it in like this, right? So if he never joined in, and then one of those sex workers is saying somebody gave him an STD. Right? Mm-hmm. Somebody had an S T D. Right. You notice when when Cuz went to court, when old boy went to court and they asked him for his um his his um they asked him for his uh for uh his medical records. They never came up with them. Never they never came up with those medical records. I like the part where you curry was talking about Diddy couldn't sing and you came back to drop the verse. Yeah, that was him I did that joint. He couldn't physically, because he couldn't physically. Yo, and then another embarrassing thing was the girl that said when she looked at his joint and he was a tootsie, he she said he had Tootsie Roll. And then she said, Oh, Tootsie Roll, she called this thing Tootsie Roll. I would have been so hurt. I wouldn't want nobody to um be with my girl if my girl called me Tootsie Roll, because I have a feeling like every other guy that sleep with her is going, she's gonna like them more than me because I'm Tootsie Roll. I could see that complex, like what he would have that complex over, especially if he had a small winky. Um but that's just something that he could have gone and got counseling for, or he could have just spoke to us about it. Like, damn, you know, just tell the people, tell the people what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

And you know what? That that that's another weird thing, bruh. When you think about it, out of all that footage, all that stuff they came across, all the stuff they used to was he he never engaged in nothing. They uh that don't even make no sense. They act like he never had sex or did anything, so that lets you know that they was cherry-picking what they could use or couldn't use or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

What I what I thought, my what I thought, I was like, the reason why he ain't join in is because if if if if somebody catch something and and and he's he's if you know when you when you have some, I'm not saying it's him, but when you a carrier, if they find out you going out having sex with random people and you're a carrier, you get in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:44

Yeah, heck yeah. No, you know, I see them cases all the time. Them serious cases. They're gonna tell you to put it up, zip it, zip it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:52

We catch you out. If we catch you using that thing, you're in trouble. He's scared. I'm like, damn, I just gotta pee. Can't even pee. Is that right if I pee? You know what I'm saying? No, I do not like it. Don't worry about it. Y'all get my tooth fixed too for the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

Hey, hey, so and then and then uh I went, I wonder, can we wake him back on the show?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:17

Uh I don't smoke.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:19

Oh, okay. I thought you so uh what you were you was you was okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:23

Nah, you know what? I smoke weed, but I don't like smoking on camera. Yeah, I never like being high on camera. Like when we doing stuff, like I don't like it because you just make me look stupid.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:35

Yeah, you never seen me uh on camera.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

I ain't never seen you on camera smoking no weed.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:40

I was one wondering, could I was wondering, like, is the rule what's the rules on that? Because don't they be doing our drink? Like, what's the rules on that?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:46

Just I just think they do it, but I think we we kind of I think I kind of think, Flo, with our position and what we got in life, we should we should be trying to help people do better. Like, like I was watching the docuseries and I seen Puff and his son was in the room when he was talking to Puff and he had weed. I'm like, damn, I could never smoke weed around my parents or nothing like that. And I just felt like you know what? When I saw that, I said, we gotta change that. We gotta teach our children to go do that outside. Don't it's disrespectful for you to get high in front of me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:20

I as much as nobody ever, I ain't never smoked online or or nothing.

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SPEAKER_00 1:14:26

I don't like that. I wouldn't encourage nobody else to do it. I don't even want to talk to somebody who can't smoke later on. I'm not grown enough for this.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:36

Right, right, right. Not even on myself. Like, you know how sometimes people be on their story and all that. I ain't never did it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:42

I did it when I was, I did it until I realized that it was it wasn't it. Like people are people are looking at me, people are watching me, and and I don't want I don't want it influenced, especially the youth, to feel like this is cool, because like everybody thinks that it's cool to to smoke in their car, uh smoke, you know, weed and they, you know, like when I smoke weed at home, I gotta go outside. I don't care how cold it is. And then my mother, if she smells it, she starts complaining. Like immediately. Immediately start. She told me the other day that because my car is parked next to hers in the driveway, that when she gets in her car, she smells marijuana. I said, wow, that a doggy nose. Like we can use her on um drug bus. Uh-huh. Go on there and sniff it out, mom. She going, it's drugs in here.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

Uh-huh. Right down here, this corner right here.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:45

It's somewhere up in here. It's still fine. Did it go right there? Right there. You'd be like, right where right there. Yep. So yeah, that's one thing that I didn't mean to get off on that long, but yeah, as far as imaging and and having how we want to, how I want to do, like, I'm always uplifted and educating and teaching someone. Like, I don't like to teach kids how to how to get in trouble. Like, you ever got pulled over by the police and they smell weed in the car? Mm-hmm. Your ass going right to jail.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:16

Yeah, that happened to me back in the day.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:19

Yeah, or they have the right to do anything they want. Just get out of the car. We're gonna run your name, search it. If everything's cool, we just gonna let you go. Nine times out of ten, it's not gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:30

I remember back in the day I got pulled over in a town called Wickenberg. I knew I was hit. Oh, that's it, man. It was Wickenberg.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:42

You'd be like, Man, y'all pretty smart. Mm-hmm. Yeah, y'all, you know what I'm saying? I that's when you gotta get smart, and you'd be like, I got one question to ask you. They're gonna be like, What's that? How did you find that? That's the major question, right there. They're gonna be like, How did we find it? Yeah, we searched. Did you not did you not know it was in here before you searched? They'd be like, No, we had no clue. So you just searched until you found something? No, no, no, no probable cause. You didn't have no reason to be searching my car, right? No, all right, but you they smell that weed, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:15

And it was just being young and dumb. I had just dropped my boy off at the airport, my boy in Cali, uh, from Cali. He from Oakland, I but he think he was flying to Cali. Yeah, left a little Tootsie Roll piece.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:27

And oh, you took him out like a puff daddy, yeah, like a puff daddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:31

About that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:32

We're gonna call tootsie roll, they changed it to Puff Daddy now, the puff daddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:36

So he left by the puff daddy limb, and it wasn't even much, you know. I don't know why I kept it in the ashtray. Like, I ain't even small, it was so small. You know how they said itty bitty ditty. Yeah, I'm driving, and so when they pulled me over, I said, I'm done. Why the fuck did I leave that? Not only you smelling it, but I'd have left a little puppy in there and took my ass to jail. I was just young and dumb. Just young.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:04

I would have had me some water on the seat.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:06

I would have been like, Yeah, I know. I should have been that, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:11

That's going. They find me. I'm like, yeah, I remember one time we was Black Rob, we was in the room, police came in there, and and they was like, What's this? It was on the table. Black Rob man Marmadu said, What? They said, This right there, weed. He said, What weed? They said that weed right there, man. He grabbed that shit, put it all in his mouth. Yeah. Put it all out. What did he say? What'd they say when he did that? He was good. Oh, he was moving fast. No, they um they they tried to make him spit it back out. Uh no, they do. He'd be like, Man, come on, man. It ain't gonna go down like that. But um, yeah, that's shout out, Black Rob man. Look, I'm gonna um I gotta get ready to get out of here and go pick up my son. Okay. Again, everybody DM me. Tell him one more time about the DM me. I'm gonna get you the DMs. I'm gonna come back right now. Soon as I hang up, I'm gonna go through my Instagram DMs and I'm gonna go through my Facebook messages and I'm gonna respond to everybody.

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SPEAKER_01 1:19:12

Everybody who wants to get the book, send Mark Curry a direct message. He's gonna respond to everybody. He's gonna respond to everybody, get you either autograph copy or the regular copy or audio version, whatever you want, send him a DM. And if you're watching this on replay, because I'm gonna leave this on my page and just so other people can watch it, even that's not live. So I'm gonna. If you if you're catching a replay, DM Mark Curry, he's gonna give you, he's gonna send you out the book today. You see, you see, you see Diddy big head ass on there looking evil as hell. It's time to it's time to see what's up.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:49

It's crazy that he got he got a big head like that, but he took they called him pussy roll.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:54

Pussy roll, right, right. Uh everything went to his head. So go ahead, man, pick your Everybody appreciate you, Mark Curry, for popping on.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:03

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

We're gonna be back.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:05

I'm ready to go to the DMs, y'all. Thank y'all, man. We're gonna be back again.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

Okay, we'll be back again.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:11

It's all right. Peace out, Flo. I'll hit you in a minute. All right, I like it. All right, I got you. And I like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:20

How you hang this up? It was is it gonna be hard as hanging this up as it was to get up in here?