Clive Davis And The Cost Of Power

A record executive dies and the timeline turns into a courtroom of public opinion. We dig into the Clive Davis storm, not just the legacy headlines but the controversies people keep dragging back into the light: the infamous photo, the unanswered Whitney Houston questions, payola rumors, artist exploitation claims, and the idea that music industry gatekeepers can shape culture by deciding who gets pushed and who gets blocked.

Then we shift to a case that has the internet split down the middle: Carmelo Anthony’s conviction and the appeal now being built by a high profile pro bono “dream team” of attorneys. We talk through what an appeal really is, why it takes time, and why that waiting period can change a person forever. We also revisit the grainy track meet footage that sparked a viral theory about someone running to a trash can right after the altercation, and we separate what we can observe from what we can actually prove.

The hardest part is the human cost. We react to the 911 audio, acknowledge the profound loss for Austin Metcalf’s family, and also the life-altering reality facing Carmelo’s family. From there, we go straight at the bigger question: what does “fair” look like in a justice system where jury makeup, Stand Your Ground, and past verdicts like Trayvon Martin still shape how people judge outcomes today?

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Transcript

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The Infamous Clive Davis Photo

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Man.

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The New Cycle Is Still Cycling Of Course We're Gonna Go Into That Carmelo Clive We're Gonna Go Into Carmelo Anthony But Clive Davis The Controversial CEO Here And People Have A Lut It I'm Sure Y'all Do Y'all know Clive Davis, Famously Known For Sun A Lot of Acts, Including Whitney Houston And We Still Gestions Anybody know what This Picture About? I'm Gonna Put A Picture U. This May Be the Most Infous Picture of Clive Davis's Career In My Opinion. This was anybody know what this picture? What's the significance of this picture? Put it in the chat. This is Clive Davis, Brandy, and I don't know who that is over there. And Whitney Houston, of course. This picture will ever be will forever be talked about. Because we still to this day don't know what the hell was exactly going on in this picture.

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But it is what it is. Yep.

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C Tuch said that's when Whitney, that's when Whitney slid Brandy a note. And next thing we know, Whitney was unalive. To this day, Brandy refuses to say what was in that note. Yep, Dadzi, you're right. To this day, Brandy said she will take to the to her grave what was actually in that note. We all would like to know, but Clive Davis, who else? Clive Davis, we don't know. We a lot of people are wondering, does he know or have anything to do with what happened to Whitney Houston? Uh another infamous moment or infamous thing about Clive Davis' career is he was the Kickstarter to the bad boy Diddy movement. A lot of people have speculated that Clive Davis and Diddy fooled around. And that's how Diddy got that big, well, I don't know, it was almost a $50 million deal or something that Clive Davis gave Diddy. Uh when uh uh Andre Harrell famously fired Diddy from Uptown, he was Pump Daddy back then, and Clive Davis swooped in and gave him a lifeline. Millions and millions and millions of dollars, and the rest is history. A lot of people think Clive Davis groomed. A lot of people, uh Clive Davis, in his own words, came out and admitted that he was uh a bisexual, I guess, later on in his career. Very controversial figures, but behind the controversy, Clive Davis did uh sign and put out a lot of artists, legendary artists, like I said, from Whitney Houston to who else did Clive Davis sign besides Whitney Houston? I know he signed a lot of people. Uh Clive Davis signed besides Whitney Houston. Who else? Who else? Who else? Put him in the chat, y'all. Who else did Clive Davis sign?

SPEAKER_07 7:48

Uh of course he put Diddy, gave Diddy that deal.

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So

Clive Davis Death And Allegations

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music mogul Clive Davis passed away today at 94 years old. And the internet got a lot to say. First and foremost, let me start off by saying, rest in peace with the youth. Because I know for a fact she's smiling right now. And if y'all know why I'm saying that, she died at the Beverly Hilton on the same day as Clive Davis' pre-grammy party. And of course, we know that they said her death was an accidental drowning. Clive Davis knew in the middle. Clive Davis was also late to do. A lot of people saying that Clive Davis told Diddy everything that he knew. But then you had a lot of people that didn't like Clive Davis because they said he was putting black Jamaican Jackson Michael Jackson. Clive Davis took a lot of things to the brain order. So a lot of people was gonna happen with this thing before he passed away. You got some people thinking that Clive was one of the most evil people in the industry. So um, like I said, Netflix is about to have a field day with that documentary.

SPEAKER_08 9:40

For those who want to support Carmelo Anthony, so Clive Davis, man, do you know what all of the now I'm gonna give you some of the uh some of the things that that would be have been alleged about Clive Davis if you didn't know. Um like I said, it it this is I've never seen, I don't know last time I seen somebody pass away like this, and uh so many people have so many bad things to say. Like I I didn't even see anybody say rest in peace, Clive Davis. Oh, I didn't know. So let me go through. He signed Clive Davis, signed Aretha Franklin, uh Jennifer Hudson, Alicia Keys, Angie Stone. And I didn't know this, but Island Girl says he signed Earth, Wind, and Fire. I did not know that. Legendary groups. I didn't think it was a good move on how he kept the party going with Whitney Pash. Yeah, I didn't like that. I didn't like how he kept the party going. That's a good point. And what she's talking about, what Elise is talking about is Clive Davis had a famous, was it a Grammy party? And after Whitney Houston died, uh Clive Davis kept the party going, as if Whitney Houston was just a footnote. But let's look over some of the things that he's been he had been accused of and why it's such a controversial figure, despite him signing so many legendary artists. Uh they say that there's been a ledge, these are all alleged, all of these accusations are alleged. Uh, I'm not confirming them, but these are pretty well-known stories. Uh, they feel people feel like uh there's been rumors that he blackballed Nicki Minaj. Uh they say he uh, you know, Nicki Minaj is the rapper, uh female rapper. Uh they say he exploited Whitney Houston, and a lot of people either feel like he has something to do with her passing, or he knows what happened to the passing, or at the very least, um, he didn't acknowledge Whitney properly by after she passed, just going on with the with the Grammy party. Um people feel like he drove Phyllis Hyman to suicide. Uh, they say they feel like he bullied Kelly Clarkston. Uh, as you heard in the video I just played, they said he cheated. Uh, it's been alleged that he cheated TLC out of money. You remember TLC went famously broke after the blowing up and being one of the biggest groups of all time in the height of their career. And they said Clive Davis had an evil contract on them. Uh, they say he ruined Barry Manilow and Melissa Manchester. He exploited Janice Joplin, he sabotaged Luther Vandross. Uh, he was the big enabler to Diddy, bad boy artists, and other and other artists, notorious BIG, uh, fake Evans and Mates. Now, 1970s, Payola drug allegations and fund misuse. That was a big story that was out about uh the Paola scandal. You know, they were accusing Clive Davis of paying off radio stations to play songs. You know, that's illegal. Uh took a lot of people masters. It's a lot, it's been a lot, but I think the biggest uh they talk about secret meetings. 1995,

Claims Rap Was Pushed Violent

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uh, Clive Davis had a secret meeting at his house.

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The 1995 meeting in Beverly Hills in the home of Clyde Davis, who was responsible for the murder of Whitney Houston. I said it. His days were numbered. And there were rappers there from all over the country. They were invited to the home of Clyde Davis along with members of the DIA. Which they didn't understand the government, including many directors and CEOs of private of the private president. And they were killing these directors. You need to create something. We need to get more density so we can feel a pretty building. Okay.

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And how they, you know, I don't know if the guys rap, but it really knew, but they created the atmosphere. But it went from, I remember guys wanting to wear like the African chain running that dance and an haircut laptops get a play to the really thugged out and just the gang stuff. And I can recall going into like liquor stores or different places, and all they had was blue and red rags. Right. It was just like that's the program.

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So many people believe Clive Davis was one of the main people behind the movement to change rap music from something positive or something happy and fun to gangster rap because they had just invested a lot a ton of money into all of these prisons. And they it's well known how music influences people, and so they pushed rappers to make um what's the word? They push rappers to make gangster music, you know, fuck the police and and and sell drugs and killing and and and and that's where we got we got drill music and all type of crazy violent music to this day. And a lot of people credit that to Clive Davis's influence on rap music. Good morning, everybody. At least that she's waiting for 50, for 50's documentary.

Support The Show And Donations

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Before we continue, y'all, buy me a coffee. We let's get our goal. We we we we're a couple, we're $200 away from our goal. Uh please, I'm gonna put the link in the uh, I'm actually gonna put the link in the chat right now. Give me one second, copy link. So Clive Davis, controversial figure. Uh, we want to know what the hell happened to Whitney Houston. We wanna we want to know what that letter was about. Questions we may never ever ever never never never never know the answer to.

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We want to know what that letter was about.

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Uh let's see, here we go. So please, who gonna be who gonna be my favorite person today and and be the first person to uh the first person to donate to the show? Buy me a coffee. You can either send it straight to YouTube and do a super chat, super sticker to help us keep the live alive, or you can go to this link right here, which I put in the chat, buymeacoffee.com, and donate a dollar, five dollars, twenty dollars, a hundred dollars, a million dollars, whatever you can afford, uh we will go. Now, uh we'll still say, rest in peace, Clive Davis. Just, you know, one, you know my motto, once somebody's dead and gone, uh I'll go over some of the news, but I'm not gonna shit on nobody once when they're gone, but we will, we can talk about speculation of what Clive may and may have not did, but I still end it with a rest in peace, Clive Davis. We still want answers about a lot of shit that Clive Davis was in between Carmelo Anthony has hired a dream team, apparently, for the appeal process. So we're gonna get into that. But do y'all know after my show yesterday?

Jay-Z Speculation And Deflection Talk

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Oh yeah, we got some Jay-Z news. Y'all know Jay-Z didn't put out that that that hair commercial, and they say he's trying to deflect uh away from some criminal activities that may come up. I don't know. I don't know, it's just speculation. Uh, as of right now, Jay-Z hasn't been charged or even implicated by the authorities in anything recently. So as of right now, Jay-Z is in the clear, but people are still speculating. We'll talk a little bit about that. But uh people are starting to say somebody had uh somebody, I'm trying to find it, Carmelo Anthony. All right, this was after the show yesterday. Remember,

Carmelo Video And Trash Can Theory

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I talked about what was that person doing that came before we get into the uh Carmelo's legal team, just something that I touched on yesterday, I wanted to re-bring it back up because now people are talking about it. Remember, I said that when Carmelo Anthony uh after he stabbed Austin, after Austin and Carmelo Anthony's inner uh altercation, the minute Anthony leaves the tent, uh, we see another person run real quick to the trash can, appear to throw something in it, and then walk away from the trash can. I don't know, like I told you yesterday, the grant the footage is grainy. I'm not gonna act like I know exactly what that person was doing. I just thought it looked very suspicious that someone would run immediately to the trash can and then like run to it, stop, and walk the other way. Well, other people are starting to go, it's going viral now. People are picking up on it. I don't know if they saw the show or what, but now more people are saying it or just speculating. Uh, this one says breaking new footage shows Austin Metcalf's friend hiding a knife in the trash can. The plot thickens. This is the and then they posted this video. So I guess that's Carmelo running, but then they show you see right there, that's the person. They're gonna show it again. Watch this trash can. See that person right there? Right there. And show it one more time. Comes out right there, boom, goes to the trash can, appears to put something in there, and then darts back. I don't know what that person was doing. That person could have been just throwing away some trash, but it just looks suspicious when you do it at the exact moment that an altercation. Takes place and you run to the trash can and then walk back away from it after you look like you threw something like who needed to throw trash away exactly at that moment. Like when an altercation going on, I don't think most people, the first when it's a when it's when it's a serious altercation going on, somebody's been stabbed, fighting, whatever, um trying to see what needs to be thrown in the trash can is probably like the last um the last thing somebody will be worried about. So I don't know. Like I said, I just thought it was very, I thought it was very ironic that right after we talked about on the show in the morning, something that I said I just noticed. Now I'm seeing it all over all over Twitter or X. Uh seeing it all over social media, TikTok. Everybody is wondering what that person was doing. I don't know what that person was doing. Um, to be quite honest. I don't know. The footage is so bad. Who knows what they were doing? Okay, my favorite person today, my first person, my favorite is Enoch. Everybody show Enoch some love. Enoch just donated $10 uh to the Buy Me a Coffee Fund. Enoch, everybody show Enoch some love for the $10 holla. Show her some love for showing me some love and keeping the live alive. So let's get back into the let's get back. Thank you so much, Enoch. Um what the hell? Enoch Enoch showing me some love and threw me all the way off of what I was what I was getting to next. But anyway, let's get into uh no no what I was going

Carmelo Appeal Dream Team Attorneys

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to. We we gotta talk about Carmelo, his new legal team, uh of high profile attorneys, and somebody donated some money, but I think they did it anonymously to uh pay for Carmelo's attorney fees. So let's check it out. High profile attorneys join Carmelo Anthony, uh, his appeal effort. This is from uh Channel 5 NBC, uh Dallas, Texas, Dallas for Dallas DFW. A group of Texas attorneys attorneys say it will review the conviction and pursue all available appellate options. A high-profile legal team announced Monday that it will represent Carmelo Anthony as he appeals his murder conviction and 35-year prison sentence in the death of Frisco teenager Austin Metcalf. Now the announcement comes less than two weeks after Anthony filed uh an oath requesting court-appointed legal assistance, saying he could no longer afford an attorney. The filing came the same day. Anthony notified the court of his intent to appeal. In a news release issued by uh Stan with Carmelo, six attorneys from North Texas and Austin said they will represent Anthony Pro Bono while conducting what they describe as a fresh and independent review of the trial record. The legal team made up of appellate civil rights and criminal defense attorneys includes former Dallas County prosecutor uh Russell Wilson, which is not the quarterback, I'm sure. Uh Michael Ware, director of the Innocence Project of Texas, and Texas NAACP President Gary Bledsoe. Attorneys Brooke Cluse of Ben Crump's Laws, Sean Der Dia, Derridia, sorry, Deredia, and Justin A. Moore are also part of the appellate team. Uh, as we know, Anthony was convicted. Matter of fact, let's back that up. He got some heavyweights, and this is a pretty expensive legal team. I would like to know who paid for this, but it's uh the rumor is that some celebrity who just wanted to remain anonymous put together the money for um for this dream team. Everybody, I think the most famous name on here is Ben Crump. Everybody knows Ben Crump. He's been uh a part of a lot of big uh uh cases for African Americans. Uh namely, uh if I'm not, I know he was a part of the Rashim Carter case, one of the actually the first case I've ever covered in depth. Uh the Rashim Carter case is one of the cases that made me who I am today in the journalism world. Now, Anthony was convicted by a Collin County jury on June 9th in April 2025, uh, of the death of Austin Metcalf following an altercation at the Frisco track meeting. Uh, Anthony maintains that he acted in self-defense. Uh, jury jurors later sentence Anthony. Now he is 19 years old to 35 years in prison. The attorneys say they will hold off on interviews, but they released a statement addressing their role in the case. Our appellate team has been retained following the conviction to conduct a fresh independent review of the trial record. We recognize the profound loss suffered by one young man's family and the uncertainty facing another, and we extend our respect to everyone whose lives have been forever changed by these tragic events. The attorneys added, our responsibility is to determine whether a legal error occurred and to ensure that every issue supported by the record is fully and vigorously presented on appeal. An appellate process exists for precisely this purpose. Anthony was represented at trial by privately retained defense attorney Mike Howard. A couple weeks ago, one of the attorneys now representing Anthony told NBC Five that the appeal process is expected to take time and likely would not reach the Fifth District Court of Appeals until later this year. Any appeal beyond that level could take significantly longer. Like I told people, this is not overnight. This is a long process. So uh and and and Carmelo Anthony is locked up in uh a pretty pretty uh the prisons, the prison that he is in, and the uh actually part of that prison that he's gonna be in is pretty rough, pretty violent. So no matter the outcome of this appeal, the amount of time that uh Carmelo Anthony will be in waiting for the appeal, and just everything that's been going on, he will be never be the same person. Uh he was prior to this incident uh that involved happened at the track meeting. Lives forever change, both families forever change. Austin and the Metcalf family will never be the same. The Carmelo Anthony family will never be the same. And that's the saddest of this situation and this story. Um the announcement follows the recent public release of documents including the 911 calls shown in court before Carmelo. So

911 Audio And The Human Cost

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let's check out that 911 call since they brought it up.

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We should warn you what you are about to say.

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Trigger warning. This 911 tape is pretty grabbing.

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Hey, what's going on?

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I have an applicable evidence released Friday details the moment when a Frisco track meet devolved into a crime scene. The 911 calls and security footage were presented to Cullen County jurors before they found Carmelo Anthony guilty of first-degree murder in the death of Austin Metcalf. Investigators say it began with a confrontation when Anthony, a centennial high school student, was sitting under Memorial High School's tent, and Metcalfe told him to leave. The video, which we have not altered in any way, shows a brief burst of action under the tent. But in the end, family said the 17-year-old died in his twin brother's arms. Anthony was sentenced to 35 years in prison in Collin County Alley Spilliards.

SPEAKER_08 32:12

I actually wanted to hear the whole, that's great, that's sad. I actually want the whole 911. I thought they were gonna play like the whole 911 uh tape.

SPEAKER_07 32:24

I mean the 911 recording. Let's see. Let's see the Carmelo Anthony 911 call.

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What's going on?

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Okay, here we go.

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I don't care medicine that cooked the golf stadium right away. What's going on?

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All right, Candace Owens, what's your rebuttal for this one? What's the conspiracy? I want to hear because Charlie Kirk's a legend wrote.

SPEAKER_08 34:50

All right, that was the nine one one call. That's that was tough, y'all. As you know, you can hear them in the background saying, Come on, Austin, come on, Austin. Uh so to just know that that in that moment he was fighting for his life, that that just man, unbelievable. Everybody who was in that situation will will be will look at life differently after that, man. But if you nicely at the video, there was still commotion after Carmelo left. There's definitely was still commotion after Carmelo left. Uh how now, as far as this appeal, I think he, I think he will have a I think he has a good chance at appeal, honestly. Um, it seemed like there were a lot of stones, a lot more stones to uncover in this case. We shall see. But

Jury Race Question And Fairness

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uh first I want to ask a question, and this is just this is for everybody. Let's let's this is gonna be honesty hour. This isn't about arguing and fighting and and racism and and and and and being nasty towards each other. It is just answering questions honestly. Now, I want to ask y'all a question. You know, all the jurors have to be in in in in uh in sync to get a guilty verdict. You need all we need we need we need uh uh uh uh everybody on there to be in agreement. Um, all the jurors, right? So I want to just ask a question just to just to see what y'all think, and so we can get to the bottom line of what this system that we deal with. Forget black, forget, forget about the people. We're not talking about us as the people, we're just literally talking about this system. So I want to ask a question. If the jury was all black, do you believe if the jury was all black, put a one in the chat if you think if the jury was all black, Carmelo would have said would have been found guilty. Put a one in the chat if you believe if the jury was all black, that Carmelo would have been found guilty. Put a two in the chat if you think he would have been not guilty with an all black jury. I need y'all to answer this question. I I'm getting to a I'm I'm making a point, but let's start with that. If there were if this was an all-black jury, put a one in the chat if you think Carmelo Anthony would have been found, still found guilty. Put a two in the chat if you think he would have been found not guilty with an all-black jury. I need everybody to answer this question because we're gonna have a uh an informative, healthy conversation about this system. This is not about anger. We said rest in peace to Austin Metcalf. It's a tragedy. Uh Carmelo Anthony's life is forever changed. He's looking at 40 years right now in the roughest prison you can imagine.

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In the roughest prison you can imagine. Thank you. Uh D is probably making my point.

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Uh D says two, I have never heard of an all-black jury. Of course you never heard of an all-black jury. And the only reason I see a lot of, I see a lot of people, I see twos, I see one one from Sharon. I see even Elise pick three. Uh Enoch says two, along with Denise. And the only reason I'm making this, I'm asking this question, is because I did a poll on social media, and overwhelmingly, everybody said that if there was an all-black jury, he would have been found not guilty. But see how grandma Kathy, and this is my point. So if even if you pick in three, you're not picking one. We got one person said one. So even if you pick in three, you're not picking one. And and my only point of even bringing this up, because I've already had a poll in which overwhelmingly everybody said he would have been found not guilty, or he wouldn't have been found guilty with an all-black jury. And you see, people saying I've never heard of an all-black jury, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, even though we've heard of all white juries. So, what would what I'm the point that I'm making is if we overwhelmingly feel like there wouldn't have been a guilty verdict with the all-black jury, then how can we actually feel like it is fair for him to be found guilty with an all-white jury? And that is what I believe is one of the biggest flaws in the system. And like people saying, there'll never be an all-black jury, right? So, what I'm saying is, if we all can agree that 80 to 90 percent of people feel like if it was an all-black jury, they're not, they don't think he would have been found guilty. They're picking any option but guilty. So, if we in the same breath, all just common sense understand that that to be pretty much true. How can we feel like it is fair to have an all-white jury? I'm not talking about if he did it, if he didn't do it, if he was innocent. I'm just talking about the system. That way we can get out of our ways of trying to argue back and forth between who's right or who's wrong, between Austin and Carmelo and black and white. We are only talking about the system that we are people's lives depend on this system. And so I told you, I look at things from a from both, I look at the big picture, I look at black, white, whatever. I just look at the system, I'm open-minded, and I look equally into both and give each side a fair shake. So I'm saying, and and so what I feel like again, if we can if we can just honestly say with the black jury, he wouldn't have been found guilty. And you got people saying there would never be an all-black jury, okay. So, how can we as a people, and I'm talking about as a people that care about fairness and equality for everybody, black, white. No white kids should be killed, no black kids should be killed. We we we we we we love all our children. I fight for all children. If you've been following my career, I attack stories that got missing white kids, uh, missing white women, missing black women, missing black kids. I attack them all the same. We love all our children and our women and our and our people. We love them all. I don't have hate towards anybody. My problem is the system, and I'm trying to show you why we have a problem and why there is a problem that we need to address. We just said it, we just seen it in the in the in the comments. There'll never be an all-black jury. I've never seen an all-black jury. If it was an all-black jury, he would be found not guilty, or he wouldn't have been found guilty. People have even took option three, but nobody, very few people think he would be found guilty. So, in that same breath, then we have to acknowledge crime aside, that we're not talking about the Carmelo if you think he was guilty or not, we're just talking about the system that we deal with. If we can say that an all-black jury would have been an unfair, because we're just saying we're not talking about the evidence, we're just saying all black jury, he wouldn't be found guilty. That is just as unfair as an all-white jury finding them guilty, because, like, we pretty much know all white jury he found guilty. So, what I'm saying is we need to figure out, and it could be it might not ever happen, but we just need to figure out a fair post. I think the jury should always be mixed. I just think it all, I shouldn't, I don't think it should be all black. I don't think it should be all white. I think because let's if we're being honest, the racial the race of the jury matters more than anything. That is why we talk about it. If it's an all-white jury, if it's if it's like in the Diddy case, uh there were quite a few men who were on that, who are on the jury, and a lot of people said there were too many men, or uh so you know, race and gender matter, but when you're dealing with a trial with racial component, I just feel like there should be a mix to make it fair. Because I just laid out why. I just laid out to you. We all know if it was an all-black jury, it'd be hard to get a guilty verdict out of this case. All white jury, we got a guilty verdict. I just feel like on both sides, that is one of the biggest flaws in our system. I just feel like just to feel that it's fair, you know. I'm not talking about look, the and also the Kamarla Anthony lawyer was horrible. He put on a terrible defense, and then also when you meet a when they just know somebody pushed and another person stabbed, the person who stabbed you automatically look like a violent criminal who needs to be imprisoned from out, you know, from people who they're just looking at the case. And it's like just looking at it from the surface, oh, this person just pushed, and then this person stabbed and killed it. Oh, that's too much. So it's just a lot of elements, and then when I thought about that, the fact that we will never have a black, people haven't even heard of an all-black jury, it's just a system that has flaws, man. That that that that that because of the flaws in the system, then not all of us are arguing with each other, and it's not our fault. We just have a system that is flawed. And if anybody, I don't know if anybody will honestly tell me that this system isn't flawed. I mean, it is, it's pretty much common knowledge, but this system dictates life or death for people. This system dictates freedom or imprisoned, like they it detect it it affects all of our lives, and because it affects all of our lives, I just feel like I wish, and I don't have the answer, but I wish we had an answer for a more fair system. That way, I think it would eliminate a lot of us arguing with each other and being nasty with each other when the actual corporate culprit is this system that makes people feel like it's unfair. So, although a lot of us are just looking at the evidence for what it is, but there is a lot of people on both sides of the coin that evidence be damned, they just feel like the system is unfair, and there are times where black people are unalived, where we as black people feel like it wasn't fair and people got away with murder. Just like on the other side, there are cases where white people feel like black people have got away with it. I mean, uh OJ Simpson is a good as a good example. OJ Simpson was a case where it seemed like it was clear as day to most people that it was murder of his ex-wife or Nicole Brown Simpson, and OJ was found not guilty, and white America went crazy. Um, so it happens, but it is but then guess who argues and fights? Us. We want to hit each other, we want to talk shit about each other when the actual problem that is still have has not been addressed is this system that makes people, especially black people, feel uh unequal. Like I said, I mean the facts are the facts. Uh blacks, black men that look like me overwhelmingly get more time for the exact same convictions as our white counterparts. This is a fact. We read that on the other on another episode from the uh prison commission or whatever it's called. They they they did this fact, and so my job is to approach things as fair as I can. I I of course I'm gonna hold down my people and my community, um, the best of my ability, but at the same time, I believe in fairness, I have compassion for all walks of life, even animals. So I'm not, it's not even just about black and white. I I'm I'm I got compassion for animals. I don't like to see animals killed. I don't like to even, you know, I like to live and let live, and even in the animal world. So

Stand Your Ground And Trayvon Martin

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I'm just the type of person I have compassion for everybody involved, even if I disagree, let's say, oh, and I'm gonna lie, the reason the main reason that I feel like Carmelo Anthony was wrongfully convicted, even if it was manslaughter, I'm not saying I would have thought at most he should have got manslaughter, but honestly, the number one reason is what happened in the Trayvon Martin case. Because in that case, I thought that was an open and shut case of murder of a young man who didn't do anything. Trayvon Martin didn't have a weapon. Trayvon Martin didn't follow this guy, he wasn't breaking in somebody's homes, he wasn't doing anything, and this guy, despite even the police telling him to leave Trayvon Martin alone, George Zimmerman still chased him around, stalked him, started the altercation, and then unalived Trayvon Martin. When the verdict was found, when he was found innocent, it totally threw me off. I that was the case, that's probably the last case I was completely wrong about. I predicted a guilty verdict and it was not guilty, and that's when I kind of learned about stand your ground, as far as I've always heard of it, but I didn't know exactly uh you know technically what stand your ground was, and it was that if you're if you fear for your life, in a sense, you can just unalive somebody. If you are in fear for your life, you can go as far as you need to go to protect your life. And so after the Trayvon Martin case, I looked at Stand Your Ground and self-defense and all that in a totally different way. I said, if this guy can do, if that's not guilty, to me, I don't see how Trey how Carmelo Anthony gets the full thing, and that is why it's not about black and white. For me, it's not about black and white. If I felt Carmelo Anthony was guilty of murder and deserved 100 years based on other cases that I've covered, I would say he was guilty. Y'all been following me for a long time. I you know, I get just as much grief. I get grief from white people and black people. I get grief from black people when I cover Diddy. When I cover Jay-Z, when I when I cover some of the criminal things that Jay-Z could have been wrapped up in, or Diddy, or uh uh when I cover Floyd Mayweather, when I cover black stories, and there could be negative, but we're holding people accountable. Oh, I get grief from black people all the time. When I say that in this Carmelo Anthony uh case, I feel like Carmelo Anthony was overcharged, and if it was me, I would have thought manslaughter or self-defense based on the standard ground rule, and then I get grief from white people. But my thing is this as long as I'm getting grief every other day from both sides, I'm comfortable because that means I'm being fair. Today, I might have some white people mad at me because I feel like Carmelo Anthony's verdict wasn't 100% correct. Tomorrow, I'll have black people screaming at me because I'm covering Diddy and uh letting the world about know about all the false, all the foul stuff he's done. So I say all that to say I'm about as fair as they come when it comes to journalists. If you if you if you compare me to most of the people that cover news stories, when it comes to the racial component of it, I am definitely one of the most fair out there. Um, like I said, and and I and I believe in that, and it and it means a lot to me to be as fair as I can be. At the end of the day, I'm still a black man. At the end of the day, I still go through a lot, go through a lot of shit being a black man. You don't hear me on here complaining about it or talking about it every other day. I am a black man, but I still believe in fairness, I still believe in there are good. I see the good in everybody. I believe there are bad seeds in every race. We got bad, we got some bad seeds in the black world, and some bad seeds in the white world, Hispanic, and all of that. So it's it to me, I judge each thing and each person based on how you treat me or how you treat the world. I don't give a shit what your color is. Um, so it's just unfortunate that there is so many people who race bait and just stay on one side or the other just strictly because of a race, that ain't me. Like I said, if I thought Carmelo Anthony was guilty, um to be honest, if Trayvon Martin, if if George Zimmerman was found guilty, I would feel a lot better about Carmelo Anthony being found guilty. That that's just how it goes. So that's why I say it's not about race. I'm not looking at race, I'm looking at cases. And in the in the uh in the legal world, each case is has somewhat of an effect on the on the next case. Um, so you know, in one case you say, okay, well, these are the facts, and this person was found innocent, you kind of want want to keep a consistency in who's found guilty, who's found innocent. So it doesn't have for me, it doesn't have anything to do with black and white. To me, it just has uh it has more to do what happened in previous cases, and based on previous cases, that is why I'm looking at this case and like, wow, hold on. Like I said, if George Zimmerman was found guilty, then I would have no and there are other stand your ground uh cases. I'm just to me the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin is one of the most famous ones that people everybody kind of know and and and and and watched. And so, like I said, I feel like if they were found, if if George Zimmerman was found guilty, I would I would, I wouldn't have, I would even, I would look at Carmelo Anthony's case totally different. I would be like, hey, you push, he pushed you, but you stabbed him, you know, and you killed him. That's I mean, that's murder. But based on other cases, like I said, and Trayvon Martin is just one, there's a quite a few where people unalive someone claimed self-defense, and they actually instigated it, and they were found innocent because of self-defense. So that's just my two cents on that. Um, like I said, the system to me is the problem, and also not just the system, but we need to hold adults a little more accountable uh for what goes on. We can't be putting too many responsibilities on kids, and then when shit goes left, we all looking crazy, wondering why it went left. Well, kids are kids, there they got a lot of growing to do, a lot of experiences um to go through before they realize uh how to handle themselves out here. And we as adults have to do the heavy lifting, we cannot put it on our kids, as you can see. You put kids in front of in put um in control or in any position of power and have them doing things that we should be taking care of at adults, it's just not a good situation. Enoch says, let's go to the chat before we get out of here and see what y'all think. Enoch says that person in the video putting something in the bin. If you carry on the video of the part when Carmelo is walking with the coach back, you see that person take something out that bin and put it in his what pocket, pocket, and then hurry off. See, I don't know. That's a lot, uh it's a lot of stuff to dig into. Fire Glory says, F. Diddler, he deserves to stay in prison. Enoch says he was uh Carmelo was never in trouble, straight up a student, and the top-notch team will vindicate him. Grandma Kathy says Carmelo hated his competition.

SPEAKER_07 58:53

He wanted him gone.

SPEAKER_08 59:16

If it was self-defense, if it was not self-defense, no stabbing should have occurred should no, yeah. If it was not self-defense, no stabbing should have occurred, and if it was self-defense, then a stabbing would have occurred. Yeah, right. I think like I said, many people feel like it's race, but I would feel like I would feel like 80% of people are just judging it off of what they feel and know the facts to be. I would feel like 20% of people are just siding with whatever race they are. So I think that I think the people siding with just strictly upon race are actually the smallest number, but they but they are the loudest people. Uh they tend to be the loudest people. So, like I said, I think the majority of the world is judging this case on what they actually feel the the the the the uh what the evidence that we've been shown shows. I really think the majority of the world is actually uh being fair about whether they're right or wrong. That's a whole nother story. But I think 80% of the world is judging this based on the facts on what on from what they their perspective. I think 20% of the world is just which is a small number, is just people saying, Okay, I'm just siding with the black person because I'm black, I'm just side with the white person because I'm white. I I really think that I don't think I think most people are being fair. Like I said, I'm one of the people, I'm not saying what I'm saying just because somebody black or white, I'm saying it, and I'm laying out the reasons why. It's other cases uh that were similar, and and and there were much, much, much different verdicts. Far different verdicts, a complete innocent verdict for somebody who unalived a little kid, is a far cry from somewhat similar situation, and another person got damn near 40 years, and the other person is found innocent. So if you're familiar with the with the trade, this this this this is another this is my last question when I get out of here. If you're familiar with the Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman uh case, do you think George Zimmerman? If you think George Zimmerman was innocent, put a one in the chat. If you think George Zimmerman was should have been guilty, put a two in the chat. That's an interesting question. That that will tell me a little more about why there's so much controversy on this case. One in the chat if you think George Zimmerman got the correct uh verdict of being found innocent. Uh put a two in the chat if you think George Zimmerman was guilty. I I would I really like to like to see these answers. Two, two, two. So here we are. A lot of tools. Let me put put put give me give me some more votes. And all I'm trying to do, if y'all don't y'all notice, all I'm trying to do is show people why there is so much confusion behind this verdict. Um, and it's not just it's like we it's like we get to the point where we just think there's a lot of black people that hate white people, and it's a lot of white people that hate black people. No, look at the chat. It's the system, y'all. Quit letting the system have us, black and white, who we see each other and talk to each other on the daily. We have good conversations, it's generally good-spirited things going on. Let's stop letting the system make us hate each other when we don't have a problem with each other. You can see in this chat, all of these tools. So there's a lot of people, not just in this chat, there's a lot of people who disagree with the Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman verdict. A lot of people, and a and a life, and a kid, an innocent kid's life was lost at the hands of an adult. And so the confusion on how that particular case, how they came with that verdict, and how it was explained to us, has carried over into other verdicts, namely this verdict. And I just want people to understand it's not all about just it's blacks hating whites and whites, it's not that, it's the system and the inconsistency of the system. If you can look in this chat and you see all of these tools, there was a lot of people who disagree with that verdict, yet he was found not even manslaughtered, he was found innocent. He didn't even, they didn't even give him manslaughter, they didn't even give George Zimmerman manslaughter, and they broke it down to us and said, It's because stand your ground, if you fear for your life, you have the right to unalive somebody in a sense. So I'm begging everybody, y'all. This if you take anything from what I'm presenting, just understand. I'm just trying to get people to understand. It's a very small pocket of people who are just saying Carmelo's innocent because I'm black, because the person is black, or it's or the person saying he's the guilty because they're white. That's a small pocket of people. The majority of us are just saying what our opinion is based on the evidence and based on verdicts in the past. And I think if more people understood that, there wouldn't be so much racial animosity because it's not really it's a racial component to it, but it's not the only component. Uh, like I said, if you look in the chat, you see all of these tools. That's a lot of people that represent if you see a lot of twos, which means a lot of people think that Trayvon Martin lost his um Trayvon Martin lost his life unfairly, just like people feel about Austin Metcalf. But we were told that that was self-defense, and he could kill Trayvon Martin because he feared for his life, even though he initiated it. So, we got a similar thing here. So, y'all, open your eyes, open your ears, and realize, man, don't let this world trick us and have us binkering with each other and hating each other when the The system is the biggest problem. And like I said, uh it's just not fair that we let we allow a system in place that is inconsistent with verdicts, inconsistent with fairness, have me and you arguing with each other, and we don't have a problem with each other. I don't have a problem with you. You don't have a problem with me. I didn't do anything to you. You didn't do anything to me. So we shouldn't be against each other like that. You know, and like I said, I I'm one of the you watch a million podcasts, a million, you're not gonna hear anybody touch upon these things that I'm touching upon. Because I am trying to have less division because I do understand the division is is not coming from it's not just we're not just a whole country of just a bunch of racist, hateful people. We're not. We just let the the little small pocket of people who are, they kind of they kind of make the most noise, and it makes it look like we all just just behind our race, and it's not that, it's more or less a system that needs to be addressed, y'all. And I appreciate everybody who his thank you. Desi said, the system is winning if we argue amongst ourselves. Sadly, that's exactly what they want. And and if anybody been following my career, know I've been speaking against that. I refuse to let the system have me hating white people or hating Hispanic people or or or or wishing every white person goes to prison and every black person goes free. I'm not gonna ever buy into that. When I tell you what I feel about a case, it has nothing to do with black or white, it has everything to do with the facts in that particular case and the verdicts that have come from cases that are similar. That's it. That's how I look at it, that's how I forever look at it because I cover everybody's cases. So I can't be up here and be biased because I cover everybody's cases. And if I was biased, it would be obvious. I wouldn't cover Diddy. I would be saying Diddy is if if I was that type of person, I'd be saying Diddy is innocent, Diddy didn't do nothing wrong, Jay-Z ain't do nothing wrong, R. Kelly didn't, he he a victim of the system. I'm not up here preaching that shit. If you're wrong, you wrong. If you're right, you right. And that's how I bring it every day and all day, Monday through Friday, 8 30 a.m. here on the flow show, no filter. So put some respect on my name. I'm just playing. But anyway, great conversation, y'all.

Unity Message And Where To Listen

SPEAKER_08 1:08:45

Y'all know we have conversations every day at 8 30 a.m. Apple, Spotify, YouTube Live. If you want to catch me live, it's YouTube at 8:30. Uh, but if you don't catch the live show and you want to catch the replay, you can either watch it on YouTube or you can listen to it on Apple and Spotify. Like I said, on Flow Show, no filter. We bring in and address stuff. You're not gonna hear no other podcaster, no other YouTuber, no other, nobody bring up the type of points or make the type of points that I made today. Um, ain't no race baiting on this show. We talk about real shit, and I appreciate each and everybody. So now we got to get the hell out of here. I need y'all to get y'all ass up and dance and let's preach unity. Let's understand we all have opinions, we all don't have to agree. We all come from totally different worlds, but we all are here together. And on the flow show no filter, this community and anybody around here, we're gonna stay unified no matter what case comes up, no matter how the world wants to try to get divided and hateful. Here on the flow show no filter, we're gonna stay unified to this to we ain't here no more. I don't play that shit. I'm gonna give you a different perspective. So get up and dance and enjoy another episode of the flow show no filter. Do you know we had like episode 400 and something?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:13

It's crazy Yes, the flow show, float show, no filter, no eight thirty AM Easter time tapping. Yes, the flow show, no so no filter, no eight thirty AM East the time tap in. Yes, the flow show, no so no filter, no eight thirty AM Easter time tap in. Yes, the flow show, no so no filter no eight thirty AM Easter time tap in. Wake up, wait up, wait up, wait up, wait up, wait up, Mr. Flow Joe Baker. Giving you these thoughts, views and opinions, making so backsides cover, no ditty. Shout out to the waking baker and the coffee crew from YouTube to Spotify, I love all my subscribers. Can't forget about the trolls in the comments. Thank you for putting it.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:24

I got it, I got an update on my grandpa. Uh at the end of the song.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:29

Extra eyes on the content. Yes, the float show. Oh no, no filter out 830 AL, Mr. Time Tap in. Yes, the float, oh no, no filter out 830 AL, Mr. Time tap in. Yes, the float o no filter out 830 AL, Mr. Time tap in. Yes, the float o no filter out 830 AM, Easter Time tap in another great show.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:10

I appreciate

Personal Update And Farewell

SPEAKER_08 1:12:11

y'all update. My grandfather has passed on, guys. Thank you for everybody asking. I meant to update you. I get so caught up in in the show, and it's a lot of stuff every show that I forget to talk about. Like I said, one day soon this show is gonna be two hours long because it really I could go every episode. There's a lot of stuff that I want to talk about that I'm not able to get to. So look forward to in the future. This show will be two. I'm gonna stretch it to two hours um so I can get everything out the way. But yeah, my grandfather, Frank Miller, has passed. Um, he lived a full life. He was 89. 89. He would have been 90 on his birthday this year. So 89. Um, but uh he loved my granny, uh, his wife. They were married for I don't know, 30 to 40 years, 30 something, almost 40 years. Um, he loved that he loved my granny to death. She passed about five, six, seven years ago. You know how time goes by. Once somebody passed, and it just seemed like the time, it might even be 10 years at this point. Um, but he loved granny to death. And I mean, one of those husbands that all his friends, all her friends was his friends. He didn't even have his own friends. Um, my grandfather's whole life was about his wife, Granny. I mean, they hunt, they they were together 24, 7, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. They did everything together. He loved, I don't know if I've ever seen a man love a woman as hard as my granddad loved Granny. And so I say all that to say, uh, I knew once he was uh close to death, I pretty much knew he would get out of here sooner than later because I would feel like he was ready to go be with Granny. Um so it transported him to hospice and he was in hospice for maybe a few years. I'm a few years, I'm sorry, sorry. A few days. Um he was only in hospice for a few days and he went home to granny. So he lived a full life, and like I said, he is now back reunited with his wife, my granny. And like I said, I don't know if I've ever seen a man love a woman more than my granddad loved my granny. So sad to see him go, but happy that he is reunited with his love of his life. Granny, I'm sure they are camped. I know that I'm sure they're in heaven going on camping trips right now. They probably in heaven fishing, um, and and and watching Jeopardy. Things that I know they always did was go fishing, watch Jeopardy, watch Wheel of Fortune, and just hang out with each other. So I appreciate everybody asking. I wanted to give that nice update because a few days I saw somebody mention him and I wanted to update everybody, but I just kept forgetting. So thank you to everybody. Uh, as always, thank you for all the well wishes. Enigma says I'm out. Island Girl says sending you condolences. Um Desi says, sorry to hear flow rep. Rest in peace, Frank. Thank you for that. Rest in peace, Mr. Frank Miller, aka granddad, a legend in our family for sure. And as always, I see y'all tomorrow. I love y'all.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:58

But I'm owed.