Clive Davis And The Whitney Mystery

Whitney Houston walks into a Grammy week interview, her hair visibly wet, and slips Brandy a note while Clive Davis watches from inches away. That one clip has lived in people’s minds for years, and we can’t ignore how strange it feels when you slow it down and look at the body language, the timing, and the way the room shifts. We unpack what we notice, why Brandy’s “take it to my grave” stance keeps the mystery burning, and how the lack of clear public answers turns a tragic story into an open case for the internet. 

Then we widen the lens to the bigger music industry conversation: Clive Davis rumors, the Diddy connection, and why power in entertainment doesn’t just fund dreams, it can also control access, shape loyalty, and silence people who know too much. We talk about mentorship versus manipulation, why some artists with strong boundaries get iced out, and how “private” industry culture can become a test of what you’ll tolerate to stay close to opportunity. 

We also get into the darkest part of the speculation: life insurance policies on artists, alleged cover-ups, missing hotel footage, and why people question the official narrative when key details never feel fully investigated. If you care about music history, celebrity culture, and what really happens behind major label doors, this conversation will stick with you. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review, what’s your theory on that note?

Transcript

Cold Open And Mic Check

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey God, wake up, wake up. It's the flow show no filter. Back with another crazy episode. Put a one in the chat if you can hear me. We're going to talk about a little bit about Clive Davis and dive into the Whitney mystery. I got a feeling they're going to do some documentaries on Clive, y'all. But first, let's get this thing started. We're going to talk about some other stuff too, whatever, whatever else floats y'all about today. Let's go. Your thoughts, views, and opinions. Shared on the flow show, no filter. I am not a professional. I am just good.

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SPEAKER_02 2:50

Y'all must can't hear me. I said put a one in the chat if y'all can hear me.

SPEAKER_05 2:54

Y'all can't hear me.

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Let me know if y'all can hear me. Check, check, check. Mic check one, two. What is this? Okay, okay, okay, okay. Here come the ones.

Morning Roll Call And Real Life

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Good morning, everybody. Got a lot going on. Uh funeral. The funeral is this weekend. Uh, this has just been a hell crazy week. I got a lot going on, but we are here live and direct. How's everybody feeling? Let's do a roll call. Let's see what we got. Island girl, Sharon, Grandma Kathy, what's up? C Tuck, Anita, Desi. What's up with Anita? What up? What up with everybody, everybody, everybody feeling? How was everybody's Taco Tuesday? Today, Wednesday. I don't know if if Anita was thinking today was Tuesday or what, but just in case, just in case, today is hump day.

Clive Davis Rumors Hit The Internet

SPEAKER_02 4:13

And with the recent passing of Clive Davis, the whole world, and when I say the whole world, I'm talking about the internet, it's all good, Anita. Shit, I get confused on the days all the time. And that's why I had to check. When you said Taco Tuesday, I was like, well, maybe it might be Tuesday. The days we confused all the time anyway. But anywho, anywho, anywho, any who. Yeah, with the recent passing of Clive Davis, the whole world, and when I say the world, I'm talking about the internet. Everybody's talking about all the different conspiracies and rumors and allegations that Clive Davis has been caught up in or was caught up in. Now we all know he he he got he gave Diddy a start, and I believe, I believe Clive was Diddy's uh they fooled around, in my opinion, and me just speculating. This is not coming from no source, this just me speculating. Uh we're gonna talk about the Whitney situation, but let me the Diddy situation. Diddy was down on his luck, had just got fired from Uptown Records, and Clive Davis gave Diddy millions of dollars of deals. Now, knowing what we know about Diddy now, and knowing what we know about Clive now, all the stuff I was hearing and being told back in the day, back in the Craig Mac days, what are we talking about? Early 90s. I remember I remember hearing that that that that Clive Davis and Diddy was fooling around. But back then, but back then I did not think that shit was true. I was like, man, Diddy ain't or puff at this time he was Puff Daddy. I'm like, Puff, Puff ain't uh so y'all know Puff is Diddy. Just so you know, if I call him Puff, I'm talking about Diddy, but when I go back in that era, it makes me say Puff. So Puff, aka Diddy, they were saying that he was fooling around with Clive Davis, and that's how he got the deal. I didn't, I had no, I thought that was a hundred percent false. So, see, Tuck, back in the day, all my my little industry people and all that used to tell me that Clive that that the way Diddy got his deal is that Diddy was fucking with Clive Davis. Now, back then, you gotta think we didn't know none of this, like knew Diddy was a little wild back then, you know, like as far as from rumors, but didn't know none of the shit we know now, like right. Clive Davis, you know, he came out later on as bisexual as himself. So back then, we didn't know I didn't know none of that. So I'm thinking, like, when I was hearing when they were telling me about that, I was like, I just thought that was just a made up. I'm like, Diddy ain't first of all, I wouldn't I didn't think Diddy swung that way like that, especially to that level.

SPEAKER_04 7:55

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

And then I didn't know that about Clive, you know, at that time, it wasn't it wasn't common knowledge, so I was thinking that shit was like far-fetched. I'm like, Diddy, I'm thinking he just literally got it out the mud, you know what I mean? I'm like, I told you, I was a big fan back then, and it's just crazy. That's why that shows me or that taught me like anything is possible, man. You know what I mean? Because at that time, I would have never you couldn't have paid me to believe that.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Like you can't put you, you can't put nothing past nobody, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

You can't put nothing past nobody, man. So to find out now on how wild Diddy is, first of all,

Diddy Connections And Why No Tribute

SPEAKER_02 8:40

and how how gay, you know, that Diddy, you know, he get down. Even now we leave learning even more with him admitting basically to the Jonathan Hayes situation. You know what I'm saying? He basically said he he remember Jonathan Hayes said he forced his his itty bitty diddy in his mouth. And then Jonathan Hay, and then Diddy didn't say, I mean, Diddy said it was consensual. So it's like on top of everything else we heard, okay. So we we know Diddy get down, and like we always say, hey, you get down, you get down, but when you die about it, that's what makes it a big deal. Now we like, whoa, what the hell?

SPEAKER_04 9:21

Yeah, so living your truth, yeah, living your truth.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

So now we got the the the the the uh the benefit of of of uh hindsight. Now it all makes sense, man. Yeah, did he? That's how he got that fit what 50 50 million dollar deal or whatever. You know, listen, as much as Diddy cares about money and power and is freaky and devilish, and just just don't give a fuck the way he is, you know, how he is, you know for sure. You know for sure Diddy would have did whatever he needed to do, and he already you know had that funny gene in him anyway. You know he he was down for whatever with Clive, and and I'm and now I'm looking at Clive and I'm like, he was Diddy is the young, you know, they they always infatuated with black men anyway. So here comes this black man coming in here young and he was young. Diddy was young as hell. Clive had his way with Diddy, man.

SPEAKER_04 10:31

That that that that's definitely that that that's that put the nail in the coffin.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Oh, that's the nail in the coffin, man. That's the nail in the coffin, and then uh I don't know if this if I'm reading too much into it, but they were saying that Diddy and Clive kind of got into it in the later years, and like recently, and they were saying that uh to the point where Diddy threatened Clive. Now this is just a rumor, y'all. This ain't no news article, this just rumors, but they said Diddy threatened to blackmail Clive with some type of video, something like where they had a heated whatever going on, and then they say also that was another proponent of what got Diddy raided because they went in there to get those videotapes or get whatever Diddy had so he couldn't be blackmailing motherfuckers. Now, I'm telling you that because the fact that Diddy Clive passed and we ain't heard nothing from Diddy like it at all. For as much as they was linked, even in a let's say in the industry way, not in the shady way we talking about, but just in the industry. Everybody knows Clive was like Diddy's mentor, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 12:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

So it just I was thinking like half 50-50 on Clive and Diddy having B. And then, oh, and then so then they showed a uh a clip where when when Diddy got uh convicted or whatever, they asked Clive about it, and Clive kind of brushed it off and like like like like how you would do if you don't really fuck with the person, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I was 50-50, but now I'm starting to think it might be a little creatus to it because Diddy ain't saying nothing. That's a big death for Diddy to not say nothing, and he's been speaking from behind bars or through people or his children, especially if that's somebody who basically gave you the C funding for your whole fucking label.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Yeah, like even if y'all wasn't buddy buddy in the end, like you'd be like, Yeah, my condolences go go out to the Davis family. This man gave me my start in the industry. You know, I appreciate what you did for me. Yeah, rest in peace.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah, and we didn't get none of that. That's why I'm like, hold up, it might be some something to that.

SPEAKER_04 13:21

What's going on, Playboy?

SPEAKER_02 13:23

What's going on? And Diddy, even though he behind bars, he looked for any chance that he can say something or pop, you know, keeping it.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

Say something pop his shit to the public, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yeah, whether he cares what people think or not, like whether people gonna say shut up or whatever, he's been talking, he ain't even acknowledging nobody in the hall, bad boy, his family, his nothing. Something to that, bro. I'm I'm gonna put that for Diddy not to say nothing.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

I'm just waiting on the documentary.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:56

You you you know it's gonna be one.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

That documentary is gonna be crazy, crazy.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

What I don't care if they call it a biopic, whatever they want to call it. I want to see it. And they and they better, they better put it put everything in that motherfucker, too. Right, right, right. Don't cut out nothing.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

I want to that's what I was thinking about. And think about how many people gonna come out, or how many people should or could come out now that Clive is gone. I just feel like it's a lot more information that's that's that's gonna come out now that he actually gone, especially because people gonna want to get their story out and it's money to be made. But Clive, like I said, now that I was hearing all that Clive and Diddy stuff back in the day, and I wasn't believing it now with all the way everything done played out. Shit, I believe a lot more of that shit now.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

That's and that's wild, too.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

I believe a lot more of that shit now. So the Diddy, the the Clive

Patterns Around Artists And Phyllis Hyman

SPEAKER_02 14:55

been a puppet master since the Phyllis Hyman days.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Uh I uncovered some of that stuff. I was deep diving on Clive.

SPEAKER_04 15:04

Yeah, I said I got I heard a clip of her doing the interview talking about how her her and uh him was at odds.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Oh yeah, you saw that one?

SPEAKER_04 15:13

Yeah, on the show. Yeah, I saw that one. Let's be able to do that. On the uh Golden Era stories page. On who? It was this page that we followed on called Golden Era Stories. Okay. They be like covering, they had like little clips of interviews and stuff, or like just little clips, period, of like just music from from the past, like past errors. They didn't they go all the way back to like the 30s and the 20s. Like the and they Oh, they go far, far. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

They go far.

SPEAKER_04 15:45

They even do like they cover like sitcoms sometimes too. And it'd be like the people that was actually involved in it, just giving their take or their perspective on what was going on, like just behind the scenes. Like so, like, like just like how I be like, like I was I was talking the other day. I'm like, you I'm like, I wish I was a part like a fly on the wall on some George Clinton studio session. Oh man, come on. And it and just like so when I be watching them type of interviews, it be giving me that kind of perspective, like, okay, damn, okay, this is what y'all was thinking when y'all did that. Because especially by me being an artist myself, so it kind of just correlates differently.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

Yeah. No, that, no, that's that shit is true. Um, and they was talking about like I've been hearing and really paying attention. It was like, if you pay attention to Clive Davis, most of his black artists either died from a heart attack, drug overdose, or some or some freak ass car accidents, suicide, or committed suicide. Like, and it was a lot of. Not like one or two, like five, six, seven mysterious deaths that's that people that's connected to them. Like, yeah, and it's just it's it it's crazy.

unknown 17:37

No, Whitney, I don't believe.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

That's what it said. No, Whitney, I don't believe.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

And then they talked about when Wendy died, how at the at the week of the Grammy.

Whitney’s Note To Brandy Explained

SPEAKER_02 17:48

Matter of fact, let's go into that right quick since since since we talked about I heard about I heard what the note said.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

Oh, you heard?

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Yeah, you did what oh you heard a rumor?

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Uh no, I I heard the actual factual man.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Oh, from from from where?

SPEAKER_04 18:04

No, it said you better lay low.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

Yeah, I saw somebody said that in my comments. Uh so what he's talking about is when Whitney Houston passed Brandy a no. Now, this was Clive Davis. Uh this is Grammy week. This is the week, this was the week, the week that that that Whitney Houston uh was found unalive. But uh Whitney Houston, we're gonna show the clip, but Whitney Houston crashes Monica and Brandy's like interview or whatever they were doing, it was Clive Davis in the middle. Whitney Houston comes crashing the interview with a head full of water, her hair was wet, and it was very, it was very slick the way Whitney did it. And it's she and it's like she must have done it this way for a reason. I'm gonna show you the clip. But she goes in, she speaks to Brandy, then she starts talking to Clive and Monica, and why and once she got Clive and Monica engaged in conversation, she then smoothly says, Brandy, this is for you. Yeah, Brandy the note. Brandy takes the note and eyes get big. And then it's like Clive trying to figure out what the hell is going on with the note, and to keep Clive even more busy, Whitney Houston has her daughter, Bobby Christina, come give him a hug. She said, Come good, come hug your uncle, or come hug your godfather, or something. So Whitney was like, uh, it was very orchestrated, and you can tell. And you can even tell in Whitney's talk. You could tell when somebody on something, but they're trying to be regular. You know what I'm saying? The way she was talking, you could tell it was some shit going on. So I'm about to play this clip and we're gonna go dive into it a little more. Y'all tell me what y'all notice. Look at that five slick she did then.

SPEAKER_04 20:21

This is for you.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

Clive don't know what to do. So slight. Now Clive went on to have um she's to have uh the party anyway with with Whitney Houston's dead body in the same hotel. You got to be a heartless motherfucker to do that with Whitney Houston dead in the same hotel. You don't call it, you don't call the Grammy party off.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 21:25

That just showed like one of your one of your biggest, not yeah, like one of your biggest artists.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Yeah, one of your biggest artists, one of your one of your biggest artists. And then it just shows you, and then I won't touch on what Sharon said. So, but like I said in my video, it's other people outside of the main characters that everybody call out. People call out Ray J, people call out, you know, people won't know what the what the note was, Brandy. Uh people want to know why Whitney's hair. Was what people were saying, why did what uh even Monica was like, You was in the pool again, like it just seemed weird. Um, but it's like characters who not in the industry, who not even like you would even think a part of culture who later on came out and exposed shit and they died. It's a guy by the name of Michael Cormier. I talked about it on my uh on one of my posts yesterday. Michael Cormier was a person who worked for the uh uh the LA coroner's office, and the LA Coroner's office has already had like allegations of corruption and been investigated and all that. So they already got a shady background, even going back to the Michael Jackson thing, where people say the coroner, whatever, even Kim Porter, coroner. And it's like Clive and Diddy, it's almost like Clive Pat by them fooling around, and I it's just my opinion. A lot of the same stuff that they saying Clive was caught up in, and the way he moved, is the same exact stuff that they saying about Diddy. If you think about Diddy with Kim Porter and the hookup with the corner and all that, like it almost seemed like Clive gave Diddy all his hookups. Yeah, I'm saying like those two, those two, then they notes, man. Like, you talking about a fly on the wall. I would love to be a fly on the wall with Clive and Diddy when they was just talking. I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

Yeah, I'm about to say uh nothing.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

I want to hear them devising these woodies, these little these little devious ass plans. And then even like even on like a deeper level, all the little conspiracy type shit. You know, they it is like what rumors where they done said a lot of record labels we have an insurance policies on their artists. What if that was him just cash cashing out? You feel me?

SPEAKER_02 24:03

Cashing out. Go into

Insurance Policies And Cashing Out

SPEAKER_02 24:06

that. I gotta take this call real quick. Go into that, go into that though, uh, C Tuck, because that's what I was gonna go to next.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Yeah, they so yeah, like I done heard things where they said just like basically like they assign you, and then like they have like some type of insurance policy based on your artistry. So like even like with the a lot of drill music, they they signing these young dudes and then letting them rap about all this mayhem and destruction and all this shit because they know what it's gonna lead to. It's either gonna lead to them going going to jail for a football number, and which is still gonna suck it's still gonna tap into their pockets because they might have some type of investment in the prison system, or they're gonna die and they're gonna cash in on the insurance policy, which is however much they chose to insure for. So imagine what uh a Whitney Houston insurance policy looks like. Or a Michael Jackson insurance policy or or something like that. You can just think about just like a regular civilian, you that's that's like a couple hundred thousand. Imagine it w were theirs just based off of their worth and and like and they they worth and they stature and status in society. Or just just the general public. Well, when you think about it in that yeah. No, for sure, he's not. That's even like uh speak just even speaking on insurance policies. Like, uh, it was they say it was insurance, like basically it was a uh I forgot old boy's name, and he was just talking about him. I just seen a video talking about him a couple days ago because he got a damn uh insurance policy on the Capitol building in uh in California. I mean or L yeah yep in LA. But anyway, he got had an insurance policy on the uh Twin Towers. And then next you know, they they get destroyed. And that they saying like that was like a cash grab for real. And everything was orchestrated. Yeah, this yeah, this is when you even when you like just think like even if that like they saying that's a conspiracy, but just like what if that's how everybody, not everybody, just how those type of people are operating like in the background. And it's they just and they use like real people in real lives, and it's just like like pond, like kind of like pawns on a chessboard for real. That shit ain't cool because it's it's like you you you really playing with people. And and like people, and they unsuspecting people, they got real pure like aspirations for whatever interaction and involvement that they got with you, and you just using that against them for your for your for your gain and they demise. Like that that's not that's not cool. Yeah, Enoch, that's what that's what I'm saying. I think Whitney was too. And that that's really why they everybody was like, oh yeah, he he did a lot for people. I'm like, man, he they they said he may have gave a lot of people opportunity, but shit, at what cost was that opportunity? Like shit, if it if it cost you your your life or your your sanity or everything like that, is that really worth it? Uh to to me, to me, it is not because especially when there's other ways to go about if especially if you did not entertain all ways and aspects that you that you can that you can achieve your your goal. Like it's not, it's it's more than one, like they say, it's more than one way to skin the cat. Yeah, no, for sure. He did. He he definitely did control them because you gotta think of the type of the influence that they had on the people in general. So like Whitney Houston was a huge star. So it's a lot of people that's probably done hung on every single word that woman said. So what if she is going out, going to he like, all right, yeah, go ahead, go out and say this, or when you do this interview, I need you to talk like this, or whatever. It it's certain people that, like, it's motherfuckers out here that like it's Michael Jackson impersonators and stuff like that. People that purposely try to talk like this man. And they that's not it's that's not the only person. It's Elvis impersonators. People that dress up and try to talk like that, man. So you so like it's like them them unfortunately they're like you you really not supposed to like idolize like people for real. Like that, I mean I get like being being like a fan of a person, but you're not really supposed to like take it to that level, but there's people that do take it to that level. And so you you gotta think about that.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

And that type of influence. Yeah, grandma, okay. I I definitely agree. I d I definitely agree.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

And then it's like you gotta even think about the just the over like the introduction of of the what whatever vice that that's causing it, that's causing the demise of that person, too. And then like even like the company that they keep, like you why nobody like really trying to push that that that help, that health, that wellness on that person. Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

They pushing them drugs, they that's how they control.

SPEAKER_04 30:49

You feel me? Like, you really gonna sit there and watch me swirl around the toilet ball?

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Like that, that ain't cool. And if you don't want to get down and do what they doing, doing good getting on that extra shit, then they then they push you tight to the side. I noticed that from being in the industry. Like, if you ain't if you ain't a dope head or or they ain't got nothing they can control you with, they actually scared of you. You know what I'm saying? That's why even though Phyllis Hyman was fooling around, but just the fact that she had her own mind and kind of was like a strong personality, yeah. They say Clive Davis, and I might have seen this on that page you're talking about because I saw it come up on my timeline. Yeah, I I think that was the name of it. I think I saw that same interview and the same breakdown of the Phyllis Hyman, where where Clive Davis really used Whitney Houston to replace Phyllis Hyman and to kind of spit in her face, you know what I mean? Because because they used to get into it and Phyllis Hyman was a strong personality, and then they pretty much Clive Davis shelved her and pushed pushed Whitney. That's kind of how Whitney, you know, got that whole backing.

SPEAKER_06 32:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Because he was looking for he was looking for somebody to replace Phyllis Hyman because he didn't he he didn't like because she wouldn't kiss his ass. But that's how the industry, that's how Diddy, that's how they are. That's wild. Yeah, that's crazy. They like, they really, it's so different than the real work world. Like in the work world, they respect a strong personality and this and that. But in the industry where they just want to use and abuse motherfuckers, they will just uh uh really lean on those people who who who uh who who who who who take drugs and let drugs affect them, man. And so you think of all the stuff that that it's just funny, what's the odds that Clive Davis will have all these cock uh ties to these mysterious deaths, and then Diddy will have the same type of ties to the in mysterious deaths, and then to come to find out, we pretty much know they fooled around somehow. Like, I don't care what nobody says. Knowing Clive and knowing Diddy now, I know it happened. I don't care what nobody says. So it ain't no coincidence that you look at Clive Davis and you got Luther Van Draws. I heard him and like I heard he did weird shit to Luther Van Draws. You know what I'm saying? And now you gotta look at everything deeper because um Clive Davis being bisexual and being a power freak, that that just put the icing on the cake of everything everybody been saying. Why wouldn't he groom this person? Why wouldn't he use his people do anything to get in this industry? You know what I'm saying? So if you got somebody like Clive at the head of it, Clive ain't me or you, you know, I'm the type of person, me and T Tuck got integrity. I could be the king ruler of the music industry or this or that. I ain't gonna use it to take advantage of men and women and do this and do I ain't gonna never do that. That's not even in me. Everything gonna be on your talent and what we doing. That's why that's why they would, they, they, they feared me and kind of just X me out of the industry once. It's like I didn't do nothing wrong, but I was too much of a strong stand-up guy who was not who made it clear I'm here to make music and and and to further my career. I'm not here to do no weird shit. I'm not here to be partying and and taking all kinds of drugs. You know, I made that clear. And while I'm thinking at the time it was a good thing, and I was like, well, why? It was like the interest went from like this to the more I was standing on my business, it was like the interest went like that, and I ain't understanding it as a key as a youngin'. I understand it now, you know what I'm saying? Because you know, you figure you figure people respect a person with morals and integrity, but not in the industry, yeah. They like, we're gonna leave that motherfucker alone. He's been untold on everything because he ain't going for it, you know what I mean? Like I said, at the time I didn't realize

How The Industry Tests Your Boundaries

SPEAKER_02 35:46

that. I was like, I'm acting I said everybody, I'm talented, I'm writing shit from all types of people, so I know that. And I'm like, they super excited, but it was like the more like I wouldn't go to the weird parties, I would be recording, uh, I'd be recording in the studio on regular business hours, you know what I'm saying? Like I was I would be there late sometime, but it was all business to me. I'd be at the studio 10 a.m., 11 a.m. You know what I'm saying? Like straight regular shit. And the more like that I wouldn't go to the parties, or the more I like would be like anytime it was even an inkling or some type of manipulation or grooming type shit going on, I would shut the shit down so crazy before you could even get going. It was like once the industry peaked that, they was done with me. And I like I said, as a kid, as a young, I didn't understand now. As I looking back and as I had time to see how the whole ins and outs, nah at all makes sense. They of course they ain't want my ass around. Yeah, I was in that mother telling her, look, I ain't going. You feel me? I was like, it was I wasn't meek or nothing. I was like very cool, but I made it clear I'm here for the business. For sure. Music business. I'm not here to devil worship, I'm not here to do nothing, none of that. You feel me? And shit, I'm thinking that's a good thing at the time. Man, I was saying the wrong shit. Well, the wrong wrong shit for them, the right. But yeah, I was when I was talking, they was like, I ain't know what, I ain't know why I had got the cold shoulder like that. 100%, see Tuck, 100%, bro. I was killing everything, everybody loving me. And but like I said, it's like every time I remember it was an interscope, weird ass interscope party. We went to the actual regular party, but then it would, and everybody was there. I'm talking about like Timberlin and Dre and Gwen Stefan, like, and I'm walking around with everybody, like it's just regular, you feel me? Like everybody walking, you know, like it's so much, it's all industry, so people ain't even bodyguarded up or nothing. You know what I'm saying? So I'm there. This is how in the loop I was. Then it was like, well, we about to go to the private so-and-so, so-and-so, and I just didn't like the vibe, you know what I'm saying? Like, I knew it was about to be extra because I had heard about the private house part after these Jimmy Iveen ass, you know. This was this was this was uh some other shit, you know. When you see Gwen Stefani, and then I'm talking about everybody in in their costumes and like mat what's them things that people wear in the masquerade, man. Yeah, that type shit. I'm not going to know after party to this shit. Man, every time I turned down like shit like that, they the industry got colder and colder to me. I noticed.

SPEAKER_04 38:47

But that who the fuck wanna be in that type shit?

SPEAKER_02 38:51

Desperate people who desperate for fame. See, I was never desperate for fame. See, I I watch people who maybe a person wouldn't think they might do certain shit, but you be surprised behind the scenes when people ain't looking. People who desperate to get in the industry, man, they'll do some shit. See, I was never desperate for fame. Either I'm gonna get fame or money or or success with my career because my music is good, or I'm not, but I'm not doing nothing extra, nothing weird. It don't mean that much to me. You know what I'm saying? I'll be I work at Walmart and be good before I sell my soul and do weird, strange things to change. It was strange things going on in the Floyd camp that I won't really speak on because I can't confirm it, confirm it. So I don't like to just throw shit out there, especially if it's coming from me like I was there. But just to be odd just to be transparent, it was weird shit went on there that I just wouldn't be a part of. So I can't say what happened or what really was going on, but I can say it felt weird, and I never would even go when it was them times, you know what I'm saying? Like it was it was times that I'd be like thinking, what is this nigga doing?

SPEAKER_01 40:22

What are they doing in there at this time?

SPEAKER_02 40:23

And it's just you know, like, you know how that's what I'm saying. Like, I I wasn't ever there to know, but it was weird enough for me to be like on my like not engaging in certain uh interactions it during that time, man. And like I said, once they see you now. I know that once they seen that in me, that's why they would they got called on me. They was like, man, no, leave floor alone. But that's why I feel like people who didn't get who who wasn't doing weird shit, like 50 or like Jazzy Fay, yeah. I feel like that's why I'm that them the the the uh industry people that I'm still got like cool with to this day, or just got a good you know, rapport with. If I see them, we cool. Cause I think they respected me for not being for not being one of them, you know, just thirsty for fame and just because man C Tuck, I seen dudes go do some or or let weird shit happen because they thirsty to get on. Not me. Nothing, not nothing. I ain't let nothing slide.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

That's why I already knew. I already knew what it was when I when I jumped, when I jumped out like to do music like professionally. I'm like, I know I ain't doing none of that extra shit. So I'm like, I know basically what what circuit or what lane I'm gonna be in musically. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, let me just make the music that I make, write for whoever won't want me to write for them, and go on from there.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Man, that's for real. So look, the irony of all this shit is

The Deal That Nearly Happened

SPEAKER_02 42:09

brother. First, before this before I got signed with Floyd and doing all that shit with Interscope and all that, the first offer I had fell through, and and and um and and it was a blessing in disguise. Guess who was behind my first deal offer, and it fell through because uh I think the person lost their deal. It was actually J Records and Clive Davis. But it was through Breon Prescott. Breon Prescott, who is who was Jamie Foxx's manager forever. I don't know what he is. Like he lit just recently. I don't know if he's still Jamie Foxx manager, um, but he was Jamie Foxx manager as as of like a year ago, all the way from the beginning. So that's Breon Prescott. I don't know if you ever heard his name. I got his number in my phone. Yeah, he he he he like a big he like a he been Jamie Foxx manager forever, but he been in the game, like you know, like he one of them people. Like he was, like I said, he was right up under Clive. I went to Breon Prescott. Breon Prescott, I went to J Records, I went to J Records. Um did like a have my demo or whatever. Dad got my demo, then I came there. Breon Prescott loved my stuff, sent to the Clive. Clive loved my stuff. Now, mind you, I didn't know nothing about Clive like I know now.

SPEAKER_04 43:39

Clive Clive. I felt like I was man.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

So the only way it fell through, and that's why I said God is to just be knowing what he's doing, man. Breon Prescott ended up leaving J Records like right around that same time. And so he went to, I don't know if he went to, I don't know where he went to. When he went wherever Jamie Foxx ended up being first signed at.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

And so um, and Brion didn't want me to go straight through the Clive and all that. And I was pissed about it then. Show you how I could be dead now. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 44:14

Like, ain't no telling me.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Ain't no telling. I was young, black, swaggy, doing my thing. I don't know what Clive has seen. Talking about he liked my music. He might not even listen to my music. His sexual ditty, but man, I could be dead, bruh. Like for real. Like I was young. Not that I would have done anything crazy, but I might have they might have tried to force some shit on me. You know, you don't know. Like, I just love, man. Like, that's why I always from from all the stuff I've been through from back then. That's why I don't never. I got to the point where I learned you don't never question when something that you think is supposed to happen, happened, and vice versa, because I'd have had time to look back and be like, God saved me so many times when I wanted, like, I wanted Clive Davis to sign me like crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would have gave anything besides weird shit, but I would have did whatever I did not knowing what I know now. I might not even fucking been here.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

Man, you would you would have been trying to pass note to Brandy too.

SPEAKER_02 45:22

Yeah. Like, who would that do? Y'all have been, y'all that y'all would have been on y'all on podcast. Like, remember that guy, H flow, who passed the note, he dead. He he he he fly mysteriously of a better late low. Yeah, man. That's why I said I dodged so many bullets that of things that I wanted badly for myself, and it didn't happen. And then when I look back now, I'm like, I'm like, you leave wiping the sweat. Like I literally was in Clive Davis' office. I was in Clive Davis's office in J Records with Breon Prescott. Clive Davis just happened to be out of the office that that day. And so Breon was there and did the meeting in his office. And it was like, yeah, I'm gonna shoot this straight to Clive. I'm so green, I didn't even know Clive was a white dude at that time. I thought Clive was a black dude. But I had the name, so I was excited. Man, you don't know nothing. That's why you gotta just walk your path and let things go how they supposed to go.

SPEAKER_04 46:32

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

You think you know, you don't. Because I swore that getting signed by Clive at that moment was the best thing that was gonna ever happen to me. And I was all excited, then I was all mad when it didn't work out, and shit, God save me. So yeah, man, I I've been in the like I've been in and around a lot of this shit. That's why I be having a lot of information and knowing a lot of having a lot of insight just from being in the like in there. Like I said, bro, if you just like Phyllis Hyman, if you got a strong mind and whatever, even like how you are, you gotta do it independently. Yeah, they ain't gonna they ain't man, they do not like nobody with their own mind. They need people who who very and who who gullible, um, don't have no backbone and don't really have much family. That's what they like. Because I remember when when I went to Vegas, even Floyd, and because he, you know, them industry, once they become industry, they all kind of got the same mentality. When I got signed with Floyd and our music deal with the Interscope shit and all that, when I moved out to Vegas, my whole family moved out to Vegas. And Floyd was like, Why your why your family move out here? I'm like, because I'm out here, like he wanted, he was against it, like and I thought that was weird. I was like, nigga, why you care what my family moved to? But I but but even then I peeped, I said, Oh, they don't like when you got back up or when you got people supporting you because I seen how other artists on the label with Floyd got treated, but then I noticed those, I was the only artist that had family. Them other artists was had no parents for real, worth like either that was even around, no siblings, no nobody. They kind of were just on their own. So they man, when you got somebody in a foreign city, you know, they they might be from Detroit, but they living out in Vegas, they got no family, they got nowhere to go.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

Prime target.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

You ever heard the name? I'm gonna say

Earl Hayes Story And Industry Pressure

SPEAKER_02 48:49

a name, y'all. You ever heard the name Earl Hayes?

SPEAKER_04 48:52

Earl Hayes, no.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

Okay. So Earl Hayes was on Floyd's label at the same time as me, right? Well, right before me. And then came back around when I was there. And so it was me and him. But me and him are Floyd Mayweather's like most known artists, as if he was in from that era, right? Now, Earl Hayes was the complete opposite of me. Earl Hayes didn't have family, Earl Hayes didn't have support, and Earl Hayes was down to do just the weird, this weird shit and just be in places I wasn't never down to be in, right? Yeah, giving you the mirror, and we both was in the same thing. Earl Hayes got his girl got wrapped up in between Floyd and Tray Songs, some weird shit. I don't, like I said, I don't know what happened. I just know the rumors was something in between Earl Hayes' girlfriend or wife or girlfriend, I don't know what how what they were, um, and then she was supposed to be messing with Trace Songs or Floyd, I don't know. But long story short, a few years back, Earl Hayes ended up, just show you how this industry can kill you. Now, Earl Hayes was with Timberlin, Dre, all type of shit. But he was on our label with Floyd. He ended up going to heimed Floyd. Floyd was teasing him about Trey Sons and his girl and all that. He FaceTime Floyd. This was in Vegas or LA. I don't know if it was Vegas or LA. On FaceTime, Earl Hayes shot and killed his girl while she was in the tub and then shot himself while he was on FaceTime with Floyd. This dude, like me and you rock. If you ever get a chance, look up the story, bro. This shit was like national TMZ and everything. This happened, man. I don't know if this was like 2018, 17, somewhere in there. But it's just an example of how this industry that could have been me.

SPEAKER_05 51:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

Get caught up in in it because they they just they will they the the the people up here, they just suck you dry if you let them. Yeah, Earl Hayes was a regular dude, like me and you though. You know what I'm saying? Like outside of this industry shit. That's why me and him was cool. You know, I don't rock with everybody. Like me and him was actually cool. I used to listen to his music, he would listen to my music. We would hang out a little bit here and there, you know what I mean? Like, he was a cool dude, but he had no family support, and he and he was thirsty to be in the industry. So he would he was that guy when you was in high school, he was the he was the person who hung with the crew, um, and didn't mind getting teased and and and and and talked about as long as he was hanging with the crew, you know, you know that you feel me. As long as he can hang with the crew that he thinks the crew, yeah. He ain't respected in the crew like he should be, but he and that's kind of how Earl Hayes was, you know what I'm saying? Like he wasn't on Floyd and them and Trawn's level per se, but he was happy to just hang where me. If I'm hanging with you, you're gonna treat me with respect. You're not you're not disrespecting my woman or or flirting with my woman or doing it was crazy, right? And I know C Tuck, you ain't going for that, right? No, no, he was in that world where he was kind of letting that shit go, and it drove him crazy. It was on TMZ, and to this day, we don't know the significance of why he did all that on FaceTime with Floyd and all that, you know what I mean. Even Floyd didn't know he was about to do that, you know what I'm saying? Floyd was joking and shit, and then man, that uh Earl Hay said, Well, you think this some shit like do you think this you gonna how funny this about to be? Yeah, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, shot up his girl while she was in the tub, she didn't even see it coming, and then on FaceTime with Floyd took his own life, bro. That's what the industry and this me and him was we was this we was on this on the same path in the same label in the same circumstances, and it just showed you how the industry, if you don't got the family backing, if you don't have the integrity and the shit in you where you just ain't going for none of that, it will I I saw it happen right next to me with Earl Hayes, regular dude, but got too caught up in that industry shit, and and man, went out, you know. I mean, that killed itself. So that Clive Davis, you know, not so so I use that. Everybody don't know Earl Hayes, people in the in the industry and in the no-no, but everybody don't know him. But I use that story to just say and show how that can happen. Um you know, with a Whitney or with a whatever, all these weird these industry people, man, they are blood suckers, man. They blood suckers, man. And and they get a kick out of it for real. You know what I'm saying? Like the control and the they they hate a person who comes, and that's why, if you ever notice, people who come with their own mind, most of the time they gotta make it independent. Yeah, most of the time they gotta go the long hard way. No diddy. Most times they gotta go the long, hard work route. The ones who, hey, I'm just here for and you can do anything to me, them the ones they blow up, but them the ones that end up it being suicide, mysterious death, you know what I'm saying? The ones where they just say, Hey, just sign me, and I just want to be famous and blow up, and I'll do anything you ask. You know, them ones a lot of time, them the ones that blow up fast, and then a lot of time them the ones that be dead fast too, or just weird. It's just man, so Clive Davis and Diddy and that Whitney Houston thing.

Coroner Whistleblower And Missing Footage

SPEAKER_02 55:28

Um before we get out of here, I gotta tell you about Michael Cormier because that's what I was saying before before we uh got off. So, Michael Cormier, I had to tell y'all who he is. He worked for the uh, he's a white guy that worked for this is uh concerning Whitney Houston death. After the fact, he worked for the coroner's office. Now he got wind and found out that they lied about Whitney's uh uh autopsy or whatever, and he was about to expose it. He told he was about to go to the police when he found out the truth. Now, this just a random white dude who I don't even know if he was a big Whitney Houston fan. He probably just heard about her and and and and knew that. Hold on, you telling me this just happened, and they lied about this, I'm going to the police. Within weeks, he was found dead, poisoned from arsenic or something. It's just a random white dude who worked for the corner office with a mysterious death tied to it. And so when you see shit like that, that would really make you like, nah, some. What this dude, what he get a mysterious death for after he said he was about to go to the police. And it's people who when I dropped that that that that uh that video, yeah. It's people that ain't that that that that that normally they they they would like it. They ain't touch that video. That's how I know I know that that that that video about Whitney. That's a that's a real subject that the interesting.

SPEAKER_04 57:12

Huh? Real touchy subject.

SPEAKER_02 57:14

Yeah, that's a real touchy subject. People don't even want to think about it. Think about it. You don't hear much, ain't nothing explained. They never said, they never said, remember, they they they claimed she had drugs in her system. Now that's being debated. Some people say she didn't have no drugs, some people say they said they had drugs, and they don't know if they lying about it, but if she did, and I don't know if y'all can help in the chat or if you know C Tuck, did you know if it was ever confirmed from a reliable source that Whitney had drugs in her system when she passed? Not that uh I don't I don't recall. Anyone in the chat do uh I don't recall hearing that do anybody know uh if if Whitney if it was confirmed from a reliable source? Because I've heard both sides, I've heard people say that she had drugs in her system and that that it was reported, but then I heard that the coroners was lying, so I don't know. But let's say the story that I heard is that she had drugs in her system, and that was the story for the longest that we've been heard. So if that's true, why why uh do we not ever know or know investigation of where she got the drugs from?

SPEAKER_04 58:34

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

I never heard of a story where Enoch said I think so. Somebody said I heard that she did. So the reason so I say it's weird to me that nobody uh nobody nobody investigated where she where she got drugs from. If somebody died, and you know they you you saying that they they either what what did they say it was suicide? What was the lie? They say it's suicide or did they say a heart attack? Oh, they said Wendy was a heart attack?

SPEAKER_04 59:11

I think if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

Okay, all right, whatever it was, and if y'all can help us in the chat, because I I'm I'm losing my train of thought. Drowned in the bathtub with drugs on the counter. But did she did they say she drowned um on her like like accident? Are they trying to say it was an accidental drowning? She passed out, because my point is this whatever it is, any other case I've ever heard of, they get into the bottom of where them drugs came from and all of that, and all of that get exposed. And this one, not only did they did they not go after the drugs or go after the drug, whoever gave her the drugs, but they but they ruled whatever they ruled, they ruled it immediately. They didn't even like wait to get no facts of let's see what's in her system. Let's see that they literally ruled it like she just drowned in the bathtub in the end of the day trying to sweep it under the rug.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:16

That was it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

Swept it under the rug, and then no, literally no investigation after that. Yeah, that's another thing. If you remember, it was like no invest. There is no investigation into what happened with Whitney for real. We got care, them hotels got cameras. We ain't seen a lick of footage of people going inside a room or her leave. Like, no footage. Think about that. They say her assistant left right when it happened and came back right after it happened, but we never seen no footage of that. Like, you know, you know how when when they cover stories, we be seeing footage, and when we don't see no footage, you know, something up. Yeah, hotel is not footage.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

Come on now. They didn't see me going to the ice machine.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

Mm-hmm. We ain't seen no footage besides uh camera footage people had on their own to catch people outside by the ambulance or shit like that. But we got no real footage. Normally, they would even just show Whitney in the hotel walking in and out, or something, even when they telling a story. We got no footage. That's how I know is deeper. Is something deep went on with that Whitney Houston thing and Clive and Diddy and Whitney and Luther and Phyllis Hyman and Angie Stone and all these weird deaths, and with C Tuck bringing to light that the insurance policies. I'm bel I I'm looking I'm believing all that shit now. Because I didn't believe a lot of that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:52

Yeah, it's hard not to.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

Yeah, it's hard not to believe that. Uh Elise said, let me see. Fire Glory said Clive had his hands and that he paid the hotel people to delete the footage. That's what I'm saying. It had to be something like that. Because how the fuck we ain't see no footage. This is one of the biggest stars of all time, and we don't see no footage, no, no, no, no, no, investigative report worth a fuck. You know what I'm saying? All the investigating is independent YouTubers and podcasters and people like us, but you ain't seen no real investigative deep dive into what happened with Whitney. Like, you ain't even seen it. And for somebody to be that big and not no, no, no, no coverage, you already don't make sense. It don't

Brandy’s Silence And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

make no sense. So, yeah, y'all, today we had to dive into the Clive uh Davis uh situation. Um we may never know what that note said with Brandy, but C Tuck said it said you better lay low. Um so according to C Tuck, that's what he's going with, but we may never know. Brandy said she ain't gonna never say it. And like I said in my video, that's another thing that that shows that uh it was something to it because why would Brandy say she would never if it was like nothing, if it was something stupid or or nothing, seemed like she would have either said what she said or just made up something like, Oh, she just told me happy birthday or something. But for her to say she's gonna take it to her grave and not say this or that, let's you know, like it's something, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:38

Gotta be. She might she might come out with it now. Not that Clive gone.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:44

Yeah, now that Clive gone, we might she might get a bag to reveal that and put it in a book or something, but I don't know. So if we ever find out, Grandma Kathy said Clive called his cleanup crew. Uh Fire Glory said, okay, Elise said her heart was enlarged. They're saying that the cocaine gave her a heart attack. So there it is. So if they're saying the cocaine gave her a heart attack, why we not, why was there no real investigation into where the cocaine came from? Why we ain't heard about that by now? There it is. That's my point. Fire Glory said Angie Stows Unaliving was orchestrated and it came after she outed her record label. Suspicious. Yep, yep, yep. And let's get out of here on this note. Brandy is a punk for not saying I used to like her now after that situation. Sad. Yes, yes, yes. It's been crazy. But y'all, we will be back tomorrow. This was a good one. I I I wanted to talk about this Clive Davis and this weird industry shit with y'all. And other than that, man, y'all, y'all, we gotta hear our favorite song by yours by your by your man Guy C. Tuck. Get up and dance out of here. Wake it back.

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