Spiritual Health with Corbin Chase
Honest talk about spiritual health, conscious living, and building a whole self and life.
Spiritual Health with Corbin Chase
Okay, But Spiritually... Episode 3: Holidays, Loneliness, And Wilderness
We talk honestly about wilderness seasons - when life doesn’t look the way you thought it would - and the spiritual and practical tools that actually help.
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Okay, but spiritually, can we just admit that the holidays are a growth portal? Like, how can I stay spiritually centered when my family asks what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Actually, I'm Corbin Chase, a professional intuitive and mom of two toddlers who's dedicated to living a holistic life.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm Lindsay Fisher, your newly spiritual, curious, in-process mirror working in the corporate world. Welcome to Okay, but spiritually. Okay, how's your holiday shopping going? Have you gotten everything together?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm keeping it really simple this year. Perfect. Um, I'm using one of the ideas from the Holistic Gift Guide, and I'm making my own food. I'm actually uh my family is getting together for we celebrate Christmas. And um my my family is bringing uh the our pasta maker. Ooh. And so we're gonna do like a whole family meal. Great gift. And we're gonna provide all the ingredients and everyone can participate, and like that's my gift. I love that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. What about you? I'm not gonna spoil anyone's holiday, but that might be listening to this mom. But I am planning some trips to take them on some excursions, some quality time. So yeah, doing that. I'll probably you know, the sourdough thing might get gifted as well. If I can make some sourdough bread that I'm proud of, people might be getting sourdough bread for Christmas too.
SPEAKER_03:Didn't you mention a really good one? Like the in the class you made, she did a a walnut.
SPEAKER_00:Walnut, cranberry, and sage flavor. Oh my gosh. It tasted amazing. It tasted like the holidays. Yeah. So I might get I might get creative. Try that. That sounds so good. Well, welcome back. We're back. I know. For one of the hard-hitting topics, yeah? Mm-hmm. Loneliness and the holidays.
SPEAKER_03:Loneliness and the holidays comes in all different shapes and sizes.
SPEAKER_00:It does. Yeah. I think it's a universal emotion that gets drummed up around the holidays. It's also, especially like New Year's, your New Year's resolutions, you reflect back on the year. And if you're not where you're at, not where you thought you would be, you can get really hard on yourself and it can feel heavy. Yeah. And man, why do we do that?
SPEAKER_03:I know. Okay. Well, one of the ways, this is something I've learned this year that I haven't been able to put into practice. Um, in the past, when I would have made like New Year's resolutions, okay, um, I would have been given guidance for myself from my from myself. Now, since having a relationship with God, I realized that that's kind of an illusion.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I need to work with God and trust God and the universe to provide me with exactly what I need and just trust that I know it's it's going to provide me with everything that I need. Yes. And so I think I haven't thought about this until right now, but I think my New Year's resolution is going to be to relax, sit back, and trust and be in flow and alignment. That's beautiful.
SPEAKER_00:Easier said than done. Yes. Especially around the holidays. But yeah, I think for me, I want to focus on health, you know, like I said, making kind of small changes and really evaluating what I'm eating and what I'm wearing. Yeah. And the energy who I'm surrounding myself with. Yeah. The troublesome thing about the holidays is you feel the check-in because this is something that happens every year. And it's easy to look back. Where was I last year? What was I doing? How is it different this year? Am I happy? Yeah. And even when you are objectively happy overall with your life, sometimes you see things that are need that need some tweaking, and you're like, man, how do I change that? I've gone through the holidays. I feel like in every single state, right? I've been single, I've been married, I've been divorced, I've been absent. I skipped the holidays some one year because I had just gotten out of a marriage, and I said, I can't do this. I'm not gonna, I'm not participating because my spirit was just so too, it was too much. And I went to Miami.
unknown:I'm serious.
SPEAKER_00:I got some friends together and I went to Miami, and it was one of the best times because it was exactly what I needed. I knew my friends and my family, my family loved me and they were gonna support me, but it just felt like too much to do the normal things when I was so far from feeling normal and feeling good. So skip town.
SPEAKER_03:I love it. I mean, honestly, good for you for for doing what you needed. Yeah. Well, first of all, let's acknowledge that you knew what you needed. Okay, you had the clarity, that's a big deal. So you did what you needed to do. And uh you're not responsible for what anybody else thinks. And like you are allowed to have your own life. Yeah. Even if your mom is gonna make you stink about it or whatever. Exactly. So that's okay. There's no right or wrong way. This is like giving everybody permission to do what they need to do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. One thing I've struggled with is relationships, right? I've been in plenty of them, but right now I'm not. And navigating the holidays when you feel by yourself physically, and you look around and you know, you live alone, can be really challenging. That loneliness is real. And it can also become part of your life even when you have people around you. That loneliness can be still felt when you're surrounded by other people.
SPEAKER_03:So oh my gosh, absolutely. You know, the holidays is the number one time where we have the most suicides and a bunch of other like really sad statistics. So it's wild that the energy and like the thought of it feels so happy, but it really does bring up so much in like the way if I'm to look back on my holidays. I 95% of my holidays have been spent performing as a child in my family, hosting, even in like my previous marriage. I was performing. Right. And now I'm shifting into how do I have a spiritual, connected, aligned, like like truthful, authentic holiday. Yeah. And what does that mean for me? And what does that mean for me in my relationship with my spirituality and my family?
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Yeah. And some of the traditions that we partake in around the holidays can bring joy and they're really beautiful. But I didn't put up a single decoration last year in my house because I did not want to. I'm gonna do it this year. I figured out a new plan. I'm gonna have my three-year-old niece come over and help me decorate. Oh my gosh. Because I said, you know what? I don't have to be lonely. Just because I don't have a house full of XYZ doesn't mean that I can't figure out how to re-infuse joy into these traditions. Yeah. Decorating is a quintessential part of holidays, right? It's fun, it's nice to fill your house with different things, give it a different outfit, if you will, for the holidays. But it can be really hard when you have to take that stuff down or you just don't feel joyful.
SPEAKER_03:So, what shifted within you between last year and this year to get to the point where you were like, you know what, I am gonna do something, and I'm gonna invite one of the littles in my family to do it with me.
SPEAKER_00:I think I recognized last year that I was just gonna give myself a break, and I needed that to be able to come back to it this year. So listening to some years are off years. You don't have to be jolly and bright every year if this just is your year.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So I knew last year was a year off, and so I really wanted to make sure I came back to it and figured out how to make it joyful.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And then when I had the idea of okay, part of it that's hard is the fact that I am doing this alone, right? So who can I ask to help me? Three-year-old's a perfect candidate, right? But I also think you can do it with a friend, have a decoration exchange. Like you come over to my house for an hour, we do some Krishna, we do some holiday zhuzging, and then we go to your place and we do the same thing. It's a trade-off. Yeah, it's a fun little activity, and you're re-establishing a tradition of decorating in a way that works for you where you're at in your life.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So last year was about giving yourself permission to take what you need. And then after you experience that, you're like, okay, I did that.
SPEAKER_00:We brand this. Yeah. I'm gonna find a way to make the loneliness more in the background because I'm not alone. Yeah. Reach out.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right. And I understand that there are some years that you just can't do that. Sometimes you do need to just feel like you have a huge breather from it all. Um, but I think it's important to like remind everyone that you are actually never alone. Yeah. And this is a really good time. And I well, I bet you if you're in that position, you're in what we call the wilderness. Which is like this, man. It's a it's it's a biblical term. The concept is that like you're all of you is essentially shifting. So you weren't where you were before, and you're not where you're going yet. You're in the wilderness. You're in the freaking in between. And the wilderness. And it is hard. You don't know what to do, you don't know who you are, your friends are changing, where you live might be changing, your job might be changing. You just might feel like it's punishment. Yeah. Because it's really hard. Yeah. But it's actually your time to grow. And it's it is, we need to remember it's specifically curated for you by like the greatest powers possible by God.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And it's a time to like come closer to God and remember that in that sense, you are never alone. And um, that might seem a little abstract, like honestly, like last year that would have been really abstract to me. And now it's much more fulfilled in that department. And I, and I there's such a relationship to be had there. Yeah. Um, so I spiritually don't have to be lonely, but my human might be lonely.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Peace, inner calm is an inside job. And if you are looking to whatever it may be, food, alcohol, people, to regulate your internal emotions, you're kind of always going to set yourself up for failure. Yeah. Because these outside things, you know, what if you try to go to Starbucks and they make your drink wrong? Well, now you're not cheered up and you're more sad because your drink is wrong.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What if you go talk to the person you usually talk to to cheer you up and they're having a bad day? You know? What if you try and meet somebody on a dating app and then they don't talk to you after your first interaction? All of all these things that we do to try and mitigate how we feel can leave us feeling more empty if we don't figure out how to have that inner core relationship with God, our higher power.
SPEAKER_03:We call that sovereignty. The ability to take care of yourself, be a fully functioning human in that way.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. To know that you are cared for beyond anything else is huge. It's hard. Yeah. Because we don't always get wired that way. We don't always get that message from the beginning. So sometimes we have to rewrite it ourselves.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's challenging.
SPEAKER_03:And sometimes we have to go to the wilderness to get there. Yeah. And if you're in there, you're not alone because I feel like I've been in the wilderness pretty much since I was born. So long time. Um, you know, one of the ways that this, the lesson that like I'm not alone when I have a relationship with God really landed with me recently. Um, it also like it just grounded it for me so much. Was so the way that I'm currently experiencing loneliness during the holidays is having to split time uh um with my children with my ex-husband. And this year he gets them for Christmas, and they're gonna be four and five, and it's just like just like it's like the best year, and it's like one of the best years of watching them participate. And um, so one of my spiritual mentors told me, uh, because I was kind of on a rant about how much I love my kids and how much I miss them. Like, like I I literally can't, I can't communicate how much my my body and my spirit misses my children. It's like this dynamic that is is the craziest thing I've ever felt. And she was like, you know, God misses you as much as you miss your children. Yeah. And that, like, I just had to sit with that for a while because I had never considered that something would love me that much and even more and like a really pure way, you know, in the in the exact way that I need, and that it's always been there, and that and how like God is like waiting, has been waiting for me to come home in that sense. Yeah. Um, and that that has shifted quite a lot for me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the feeling is pure love. Yeah, the love from the creator to you is so beautiful, and it is pure love. Yeah, and I think one of the ways to feel that is to show love to yourself, to just drum up all those feelings of love. And around the holidays, I like to do things just for me that are like little things that make my day brighter to show me I love you, and I'm doing this to bring joy to you. Like I used to get shelled pistachios around the holidays just for me. Because I loved having it in my house. Spoiling yourself. Yeah. From Costco. Yes. Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But I would eat them and I would think, man, you really did this nice thing for yourself. Thanks. And that love is tenfold of what is coming at you from above. So yeah, cultivating that wherever you can find it, and making your own little holiday traditions that have nothing to do with anybody else but you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Is so fun. Yeah. It's a good way to fight the other emotions that come in. Focus here. Remember this.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Or like fill like, yes, and fill filling that time when it maybe it just is like me, myself, and I for like multiple holidays in a row. Yeah. Where you do because I haven't had a holiday alone. I don't think, I mean, truly alone, just me, really, ever. It's like the saying we were talking about earlier. It's hard to be in a relationship and it's hard not to be in a relationship. Like they both bring like level of challenges. Yeah. And there might become a time when you're not single anymore and you're never gonna be alone ever again. And so this might be your time for you to have a relationship. I mean, to have a holiday with yourself.
SPEAKER_00:So very true. Take advantage. I remember times when I was in relationships and the trying to split time between families. Oh, that's tough. And how do you do that and still keep your own sanity and joy of the season? And I remember being just tired, and I was in around, you know, in-laws or you know, parents of families that weren't mine, and I was like, I'm gonna go take a nap. I'm sorry, but I'm tired, yeah, and I'm not myself, and I know we're supposed to be here spending time with you guys, but I I need I need some shut eye for a second to recharge. And that kind of thing is really difficult to ask for and recognize that you need around the holidays, but I think that also can contribute to a lot of the difficult feelings. Yeah. If you let your battery drain too low, you cannot feel good. It's harder to feel the high vibrations of all the love because you're just tired. You get in fatigue and everything goes out the window. One of our last conversations that I was just burnout tired, and I couldn't stop crying. Yeah. And the holidays can really wreak havoc and challenge that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. But part of the beauty of these challenges is it it gives you an opportunity to assess where you are. And so if you just start looking at it as information, right? Okay, I I'm responding to this like this. And I would like to respond to it like this. So if you kind of can step back, it helps a lot to create that perspective and take the pressure off of however it may make you feel one way or another.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. This is a good time to implement like one of your tools, your spiritual toolbox is it's so easy when you're just like in the daily throes of life and you don't have like a prayer practice or like some bringing yourself home, yeah, like within yourself throughout the day, you really become a victim of like the day. And like that's kind of where like the darker energy goes, like, gotcha. You're completely unplugged. Go be in the chaos. But when we remember to look at everything that's going on from like God down, right? Of like, hold on. Remember, this is just one little event, one little seedling on like an on the whole farm of my life. Exactly. What what else could be happening? What's the bigger picture? How can I go up here so I'm not like suffering down here?
SPEAKER_00:Yes. I like to think of it as you are not your emotions, right? Like your emotions come at you, you experience them, hopefully you process them and let them out so that they're not internalized and you know, wreaking havoc on your body. But when you feel something, it doesn't mean that's what you are, right? Like it's the difference of putting on a green sweater and having your skin tattooed green, right? And so if you recognize, okay, I'm in a bad mood right now, or I'm feeling sad, but I'm gonna let this just be a sweater I'm wearing, and I'll try again tomorrow. And maybe tomorrow I'll have on a yellow sweater, and I will have a different mood and different emotions. The holidays can bring a lot of green sweaters around, but it's not permanent. It's it's not a chronic condition. It doesn't have to feel so heavy if you recognize that this is passing through me, and I will let it be. Change tomorrow.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, peace is like the state that we are literally built to exist in. And it's becoming more and more rare. And I think like the way to do that takes like quite a tremendous amount of um like humility. Yeah. Really, truly, and like surrender. Yeah. To just be like, I have to just stop being so frustrated that my life isn't the way that my human wants it to be.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like I I need to like remember the bigger picture. I need to like trust in the process and know that whatever I'm going through, although it might be sad, is is meant for me. I am held through it. It is curated for me. And yeah, everything needs to balance out in our lives. So for whatever down that you feel like you might be in, there has to be, absolutely there has to be. This is like a universal truth, a high that comes afterward.
SPEAKER_00:That concept has also been so helpful for me through the holidays, is to remember that I am in a low right now, but that just also means that there's an equal high that I can and will access.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Is not nothing is permanent.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And your own choice of free will is the coolest thing because you can refocus your energy by just refocusing your thoughts.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It's kind of humbling. I find it humbling. It is. And like a beauty, it's like I'm safe to go ahead and humble myself because I know that like how cared I am. And that it's it's literally impossible to fail. So like any any thoughts of doubt or any of those negative thoughts I know are coming from temptation. And they like I am letting those in. And sometimes they're hard to remove. But that being said, I'm headed into this holiday season wearing both joy and grief. Yeah. And I was recently in like a pretty deep depression for multiple months. Like the deepest I didn't know I could go, like just in bed for days, kind of thing. Like pretty scary. Yeah. One of the things that I learned through that was I'm allowed to be both happy and sad at the same time. Yeah. Like they can coexist within me and I can hold space for both. So I can show up to a party and be like loving and like have fun. Well, also, no, like I'm carrying a whole backpack of brief right now. And like that's okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It is. Another thing that has helped me is called the emotional guidance scale. And it just lists all these types of emotions going from really low depression onto what the next easiest accessible emotion is to move you up out of depression. Because going from depression straight to joy, it's kind of like going from always sitting on your couch every afternoon to running a marathon. It ain't happening. You're not doing that. And that takes the pressure off if you know, okay, I'm just angry right now. But that is better than depressed. Yeah. And if you can just keep going up that scale, like boredom is better than depression. And the next level is the goal. You don't need to jump five levels. Just jump a little bit ahead and just keep focusing upward. Yeah. Take it easy on yourself to just feel a little bit differently than you did before. You're working towards feeling better, not immediately snapping into it. Because it's hard.
SPEAKER_03:I think that would be a good thing for us to link in the notes. Yeah. So we'll throw that in there in case any of you guys want to see that. And also, like just another reminder that worrying is a sin. Well, let's like remember the most powerful tool that we have is prayer. Yeah. Is our like ability to communicate with the creator of of everything, including us. So let's use that and let's we we are supposed to ask for God, create our universe, to take that worry for us. If we're like, nope, you know what? I don't like this. I'm just gonna hand this over.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Yeah, I used to be really good at worrying. I mean, I still am.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, me too.
SPEAKER_00:But I catch myself now and I don't enjoy it as much because I know I'm spending my precious energy trying to ease anxiety about something that I can't control anyway.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it's a like a deep-rooted fear of, well, what's gonna happen to me? I don't know. Well, what if I die? Well, that'd be pretty bad, but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Yeah. So why am I spending my time trying to prevent something that I can't control anyway?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I would much rather be happy. Yeah. I would much rather eat a pistachio and smile.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my gosh. Yeah. Worry, like also these feelings of worry and anger, they they start as an emotion, but if you let them sit or you like really consume them like within yourself, they start to disrupt your physical body. Yes. That's how it works. You have you have an energy that eventually becomes more dense. Sometimes it can take a long period of time and it can turn into cancer. Or sometimes, like the other night I experienced this this week where I had a TIFF with my ex-husband and with my partner. And I was like, oh my gosh, all of these men in my life, like I was so upset. And like, like the truth behind my upsetness was I was worried. I was like worrying about my kids, and I was like worrying about the state of my relationship. Yeah. And I woke up in the middle of the night with the worst acid reflux I have ever had, like worse than when I was pregnant. I was like giving myself belly massages and drinking water, like trying to not sip in any extra air. Oh no. And I knew it was because I was worrying so much, and it like triggered in my body that quickly.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Isn't the body amazing that your emotions can wreak havoc? Oh yeah. But you're you also again you have to remember the top and bottom. Top and bottom. Uh-huh. Because your thoughts can just as easily heal your body too. Yes. Oh my gosh. Totally. Oh, I love that. So what about when you are feeling good, but you have friends that are going through it for whatever reason. How do you help them? What do you say?
SPEAKER_03:I can give you the the opposite. Okay. Okay, because right now, my my best friend, Jane, she's gonna listen to this and be like, you talked about me so much. Um, she just came to visit like three weeks ago. Uh-huh. And she's like clearly in a peak of her life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like, I can tell that I think she thinks she's the most beautiful she's ever been. And I agree. Like, it's just like it's just so obvious. And I'm over here like I'm struggling. Like, I've had thoughts of like, I'm really not lucky my life. Yeah. Like, I'm like, this is, I feel like I'm being tortured. I feel like through my per my spiritual journey, I'm in a place where I that no longer is a conflict inside of me of I don't need to like spew my negativity all over my friends. I can genuinely be so happy for them.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Because I'm on the journey for them. Like I'm on their train. Like wherever they go, whatever they do, it's not my train, it's yours. Yeah. But you can go off and do literally whatever you want to do. You can and I am gonna like just be like, okay, you can decide to, I don't know, you go to jail and I'll be like, okay, I'll come visit you. You know, like I'm just here for like the soul. And so that's kind of how I see my friends, I guess when they're going through yeah, happy and sad things.
SPEAKER_00:I'm like, oh my gosh. Yeah. I think for me, it's been helpful, even if people don't have anything to say to me, when I've just been able to say genuinely, like, yeah, this one sucks. And they're just there to listen and they encourage me to talk. Because sometimes that emotion just needs a release. Yeah. And letting the words flow can do it for you and lift that weight a little bit. So if you have somebody that's not doing that well, you don't necessarily need the right thing to say. Yeah. You really just need to sit there and let them know I'm here to listen and I'm here to be a sounding board for you to get this out. Yeah. Tell me how you really feel, and I got you. Let me anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And if you can't figure that out, you can try and distract them. Like take them to dinner, take them on a walk. Anything that will get them out of their head a little bit. And then maybe the conversation will come up naturally. Yeah. There's a lot of ways to support people that aren't have meaning you have the answer to their problem.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. That shouldn't. I think like I was gonna bring up next actually, how do you be a good soundboard for someone? Yeah. Because yes, getting things off your chest is the person who needs to like exhaust what's going on inside of them is healthy because like when I have things going on in Corbin Land, like it's a much bigger deal. But sometimes when I say it and I have a really good solid sounding board, someone who isn't going to judge me or the other person or the situation, right? That isn't going to like drum up drama around it, that isn't gonna like play it up in gossip and just like truly be like, I see you in this, and has really good advice. That's huge because it keeps me grounded in like the reality that that I need for my spiritual health to stay on track. Yes. And for me, my spiritual health, like my spiritual orientation is like truly like the foundation for every other area of health health for me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it is. It's very true. And energy has momentum. So if you are going this way, down, down, down, your energy swirls and it can keep you in this momentum. And if you can catch that and recognize that as like you have a bad day, like one thing goes wrong, and then two more things go wrong, right? Oh, I see. Like the like a magnet of that.
SPEAKER_03:Like it's a tornado, it's gonna keep collecting things of the same frequency.
SPEAKER_00:This is another principle of when you're feeling down, if you can catch yourself and recognize, like, ooh, we're here. How can we either just hold it here so it doesn't keep going down or just go to bed?
SPEAKER_03:I was gonna say that.
SPEAKER_00:Because what happens to your your energy, your emotions, when you sleep, it resets you at neutral. So you really do get a brand new opportunity to try again. And sometimes that really is the solution. Like you're just done with the day. I hate it when that happens at like four o'clock. Oh gosh, I know, or like 10 a.m. Like, can I go to bed now? I'm done with this day. Yeah, I need to reset melodone at noon. Yeah, yeah. But that's okay. Like it happens, and sometimes for me, just knowing like I'm gonna get another chance tomorrow, yeah, it helps, helps take the edge off of right now. You know, and another another thing, and again, this depends on the person that's struggling, challenge them to think a little differently, right? Like, okay, yeah, you're single, Lens, but you can wake up whenever you want. No one's coughing in the middle of the night keeping you awake. I could keep going, right? Like, there are things about this situation. I don't ever have to watch a TV show that I don't want to watch, right?
SPEAKER_03:It's nice, or tell someone what TV show you're watching when you just kind of want it to be a private thing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's true.
SPEAKER_03:I can go on this list for a while.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So there are always positives and just sometimes engaging and thinking about that can change the momentum and take the edge off.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. I think like because I've been in places where I'm like, the advice that I would be listening to is given now, I'd be like, this is absolute like bullshit. Because no, my day is bad and I cannot be not cranky about it. Yes. Like, and so now that I I still have those days on occasion, but I have so many more tools to get me out of there in a way that works. Yeah. Um and so what does it say about yourself when you're when you're in that place and you're like, oh my goodness, I am just this day is just the worst day of my life. Yeah. It's kind of like your spiritual health raising a red flag, being like, you need to focus here. This is where you need to focus. Like we have to have build up some more like uh foundation and resilience. So when this happens, like you don't, you're not dwelling in the human so much. Right. You can kind of lift up and out and get some breathing room somewhere else. Right.
SPEAKER_00:That concept of the human you versus the spiritual higher self version of you is also huge when you understand that and you can see I am feeling very heavy and human right now because I got this person asking questions, this person trying to talk about this, and I don't want to talk about any of it. But that's a lot of humanness. My higher self is so fine. She is chilling, she is watching all this with her popcorn, like it's another episode of Grey's Anatomy or something. Like it's just the the drama, the the sadness is part of the human experience. Yeah, it's part of why we come because we want to experience what it's like to be human and not just the rainbows and butterflies. Like the most difficult things that humans go through is part of being human. It's experience and it expands our consciousness, expands our relationship, it expands our ability to trust and feel love from God, from others, and that's that's why we do it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah, we're here to learn how to be peaceful in a chaotic world. Yes. And so, which one are you gonna do? Are you gonna give in to the chaos? Or are you gonna give into the peace? Exactly. Like which side of the war are you on? Because there is that like light and dark war constantly happening. Oh, yeah. I do both. Yeah, I do both. I'm trying to just do one. Yeah. Now that I know about it, I'm like, all right, well, I definitely don't want to be on the chaotic side.
SPEAKER_00:So I think my numbers are shifting pretty good further away from the chaos. But there have been times where I've just said, you know what? I need to get out of this, and I'm gonna reach for this tool to just get me in a better headspace. And when I say tool, I mean these aren't the spiritual tools, these are my unspiritual toolbox. I don't know. But that can also be okay if it's the only thing that you can do. Don't beat yourself up for not being an amazing spiritual person all the time. Because that energy, when you're down, down, down, it's really hard to access those higher vibes sometimes. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, if like this is the final episode in the series, is gonna be you don't get penalized for being human. Like, we're not supposed to not be human. Right. So, what are your spiritual tools and your non-spiritual tools?
SPEAKER_00:My non we'll start with my non-spiritual tools. I think non-spiritual ways of of coping are substances, right? We eat candy, we go, we reach for the sugar, we drink alcohol, we numb it, right? Whatever other kinds of drugs and substances you might want to use, that's an that's a non-spiritual tool, and they have consequences, right? When used uh to escape. Exactly. Okay, yeah. Exactly. Um, I think other non-spiritual tools are like engaging in gossip.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Anything that's given you a hit of dopamine to try and like lift you, but the actual repercussions of it are gonna bring you back down pretty quick. Yeah. Shopping, that that um TV retail therapy, guilty.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, see.
SPEAKER_00:But sometimes I'm in such a state that I need to access it, and then I can get back to spiritual and recognize okay, now I gotta return all the stuff that I bought. But now I'm in a better headspace to do that. Yeah. Yeah. And the better you get at practicing the spiritual aspect of it, and you know, spirituality to me, energy. Yeah, it's scientific, just as much as it is holy and divine, your natural set point will rise. Your natural high vibration will be how you operate. And when you spend more time doing that, you don't need to reach for these things to keep you there and hold you there. And you find other things like spiritual tools. I love a walk. I love a walk. I go walk around my neighborhood, and I live in a neighborhood where there's pretty well-established trees, and talking like some of these trees are some of these jokers are over a hundred years old. And I went on a walk one day, and all I did was look at every single tree and contemplate how old that thing was and how much change in life it had seen throughout its lifetime in my neighborhood. And that just kind of like completely shifted my perspective to that of a tree.
SPEAKER_03:Like, yeah, girl, I hear you. This has been my year of falling in love with trees. Like, I didn't know how deeply I could experience love for a tree. I cried when the town I went and made a stink when the town was like, we have to cut these limbs off the tree.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And I posted a video of me crying, that was vulnerable. Like I'm I, yeah, yeah. Trees are celestial beings. So wise, you can communicate with them. Oh, mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:So you engage with nature. I mean, that I feel like that is I hate hearing that actually. Because I'm like, what do what does it mean? Sometimes I go outside and I'm like, all right, here I am. Am I supposed to feel is there like a tingle I'm looking for?
SPEAKER_03:You know, like it's abstract. Am I doing it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. But the science aspect of it is so cool that you don't actually have to understand what's going on. Your body and all the vibrations of the trees and nature will take over.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. You have to, it's the same. Anything spiritual requires a surrendering. Yeah. So if you want a relationship with God, you better get used to surrendering. If you want a relationship with nature, you better get used to surrendering. Um, Mother Nature is the mother of our physical body. She is closer to our physical body than she are. Yeah. And so uh nature has is the most resilient thing. Alive. I mean, other than God, I suppose. Um, but we can learn so much by watching her seasons and recognizing that they're also within us, yeah, and watching her ability to take a hit from weather and how she perseveres anyway. Like it's all a mirror.
SPEAKER_00:That's true. Mat Mother Nature has bad days too. She does, she does.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, never thought of that.
SPEAKER_00:Another thing I like to do as a spiritual tool to try and like help my energy is cooking. Feed yourself something good and do something with the intention that I'm preparing this for myself with love for me. Even if it's like making a bowl of cereal, right? If that's all you got, that intention can really help and shift. And you just sit there with it and you'll feel it. By the time you're drinking the milk, you're like, all right, I'm better. Music is a big one.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, what kind of music though?
SPEAKER_00:Because that matters. It does. Um I don't know. Sometimes I just put my music on shuffle, put in headphones, and just lay on the floor and see what comes to me. Because I let I really do believe in when I put things, put my music on shuffle, I do it with the intention of spirit, bring the songs that I need to hear.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my gosh. I literally do the same thing. Yeah. I like put out an oracle before I go on a run sometimes. And I'll like, I'll ask, I'll ask my guides for this one. I'll go to my guides and I'll be like, I'm about to press shuffle, play what I need to hear. And literally, I'm like, sometimes I stop before I'm like, oh yes.
SPEAKER_00:It can shift. You know, the crazy thing is sometimes I if I'm in a really bad mood, I won't listen to music because I know it's gonna vibe me up, and I can't get there. Like it's so funny, but it music is so powerful. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's energy, it's vibration.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. It works, it works.
SPEAKER_03:Well, why don't we transition into, and I think you got put this question in our like brainstorming notes of what do you do when you're grieving? And like that, that's a whole other flavor of loneliness.
SPEAKER_00:The holidays and loss are so challenging. So challenging. That is another part of the human experience, right? Like we have to go through things that are painful, and the but the lessons, the data that we collect is valuable to our higher self, right? Like we we want to know what it's like to be human from every aspect, even loss, even deepest grief. So I I haven't experienced an extreme amount of grief in my life. I've lost grandparents, but I think that's kind of like a natural progression of life that you're more prepared for. But you know, I I do have friends that have lost spouses, lost uh parents. Um I think it depends, time so cliche, but time heals all wounds. The further you are out from the loss and the more time that has passed, your your perspectives and your emotions um shift and change and heal, right? And you're better able to do different things to process your grief, right? But it's totally okay for some of these raw emotions to be present and bring brought up around the first couple holidays that you're missing people. Yeah, I think it's also such a beautiful thing to talk about those people. Tell your favorite story, what is your favorite memory, right? Even if you're crying doing it, it still is a a beautiful way to honor them around the holidays. And the their spirit is there, their spirit loves that, and their spirit is is not sad either. I think that's one thing that I've come to understand is spirits that pass are are happy up there, and they are just there around us with love, right? Yes, they miss us, but it's not the same kind of human missing, right? Because they're with us still, but they're not disconnected the way that we feel physically disconnected from them. So all of that comes together when I think about how to grieve or help people grieve.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, I like everything you said. It's all it's just it's such a hard time. And I when I have a client that comes to me with someone who's recently passed over, um, it's just it's a really hard time. It's a really hard time. Um what my recommendation is if if you're in a in a place of life where either you know someone has a their time is coming because they have some sort of diagnosis or something, um, or you are working on uh like you like developing your spirituality, um, this is a like a major chapter that almost always gets overlooked, like as we're educating our children. And I think that's where it needs to start is understanding death, what happens when someone dies, that process. Um, going ahead and getting a uh um, this is for someone who actually has lost someone and go do a I do past life regressions, go get a past life regression and and experience what it's like to leave the body and then go into spirit world. Yeah. Um, because that's really dynamic. And when you like it, it's like a remembering because you've done it a bunch of times. Right. You're like, okay, now it doesn't feel so foreign, like you don't know what they experienced. You have to trust that whatever that person, however they passed over, they picked it. Yep. They did. Like their soul had to sign off on it. Yeah. Um, and so in that way, it's always divine and worrying about the way in which they went is like completely not your responsibility. You have to just trust that it went the way it did. It was perfect. Yeah. The more upset that you are, the harder it is for them to connect with you because they're trying, especially right after they pass over, they're trying to come down and send you messages. But the more like unsettled you are inside, they're like, I can't get through to you because I need you to be calm.
SPEAKER_00:Your vibration has to be at a higher level so that their energy can come down and match that. Because when they don't have their physical body anymore, they are just energy and they are vibrating so high. That is their set point. And we as humans are still bogged down by our 3D physical selves, and we can raise our energy up to a point where it kind of matches them, and then we can feel their presence, but the low vibrations and the difficult vibrations of grief and sadness make that less of a match energetically.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it does make it harder. Another thing that you can do is talk to a medium, yeah. Or someone you can communicate with the other side, which is something that both Lindsay and I are able to do in different ways with different gifts. I can feel and see the presence of others and kind of like like I'm not, I don't have the specific gift of being a medium, but I have several other gifts that when I work them together, I can I can communicate with them. And so that's always like oh, that's very soothing because they really are just right there. But the grief, the grief still is going to happen. And but like, why do why would God like put grief in our life? It's always there to be a lesson. Yeah. Always, always, always. And you need to remember that it's it's not meant to be like suffering, it's truly meant to open your heart. Yep. No, it's meant to open your heart. And the sooner you can open your heart, the better, the better it'll go. The better, and uh the more prepared you are for death and educating yourself about the spiritual side of death. I'm telling you, the easier it's gonna be. I was wondering if you could share some of your experiences with like your gifts and communicating with others.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so that was one thing that Corbin told me when we first started working together that completely blew my mind that I potentially could have some mediumship abilities. And I was honored, I think, to hear that. I was scared, of course, but I just felt like if I do have that ability, then I really want to figure out how to activate it and use it to help people. And like I had no idea what I was doing, how it was gonna come about, but I just trusted and I kept learning about how energy works and how how spirit communicates. And I remember the first time it ever happened, I was at the nail salon, and I this woman sat down next to me, and uh, as you do, you kind of start up a conversation. I think we were the only people in there, and uh, she started talking about her mom who had passed. And I just kept hearing this name in my head. I kept hearing the name Miriam, Miriam. I have no idea why, but it kept going and kept going, and I'm sitting there knowing this is significant, but what do I do? What do I do with this? Because I'm not confident enough to be like, I know your mom's name. So I said, Does your mom's name start with a letter M? And the woman said, Yes, her name was Mary Neal, and I my mouth fell open, and I said, I I I think I'm like hearing something, trying to, she's trying to say something. Like for sure, her presence is here and she wants you to know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So it was wild. Um, and then I've had other experiences since where other names have come to me. And then like randomly, right? Like, like you weren't expecting it. It was a truly like you were being bar, you were after the service, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But I just I was feeling great. I was having a great night, and I just ended up talking to somebody, and my vibe was so high that the person that they were missing and they were grieving was able to get my attention. And it like I started keeping hearing these things in my head again, to the point that I looked at the person and I said, Have you lost someone? And he said, Yeah, my best friend, my whole life passed away like six weeks ago. And I was like, I think he's here. I think he's here. And I just, you know, I kept sharing the impressions that I was getting, the way that I was feeling, and everything I said, the guy was like, How, yeah, you're right. So that was really powerful. So I'm still learning, still trying to figure that out, um, but open to open to more.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. So Lindsay, um, if it's okay to share your gift, Lindsay has really she has a really strong, clear audience that together we've been developing. And so gifts are like a muscle. You have to have a relationship with them, you have to understand what it sounds like when they come through. Right. You have to understand that you're in the context of being of service and making sure that God is always at the center to keep it ethical and of integrity. But you can exercise the gift to make it stronger. Right. And then when either when your purpose comes forward or your gift comes forward, they're meant to work together.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So you have like a very metaphysical gift of healing. So with that, your purpose started to come to surface, right? Which now, how do we tie this back to loneliness? Is that sometimes when you're in the wilderness, your whole life is shifting.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And that's often when your gift and purpose are trying to break through. Yes. Which can it autumn once you click into those things, it it's like you're slicing off a huge chunk of the loaf of the loneliness and throwing it in the trash and it gets filled with, oh my gosh, I think my purpose and my gift are suddenly activated.
SPEAKER_00:Because that's part of it. Loneliness is definitely a feeling of lack of something's missing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And when you recognize I I have other business to attend to, for me at least. I know I'm in this season because I'm supposed to be focusing on other things. And if I fill my time with that, then I have less time to feel lack.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So so I guess like when you're going to the holiday season, think about what could be trying to come through. And if you don't know, book a session with me or Lindsay. We will help you get there. Because I promise the light is there. And sometimes it's just really hard to see it. And we need, we need help. We need help.
SPEAKER_00:We need help getting to talk it out. You need someone to be able to step back because sometimes when you are in it and your momentum is swirling so strong, you're in the tornado. You need somebody with the binoculars saying, like, you're in a twister, but you can get out. It's okay. Yeah. And we can help you with that. Yeah. Throw you the lifeline. My quote, um, I think for this is just that really simple of like, be kind. Everyone is fighting their own battles. Because the the holidays are also some nasty people come out. The nastiness in people can come out. I don't think anyone is purely bad at the source, but you never know, right? If you are able to spread kindness, then that is the ultimate gift, and it feels good for you to do too.
SPEAKER_03:And my quote to end with is today's choice to give yourself credit for the courage you're showing that nobody else can see. I learned that during my days in corporate America, and uh I really needed to hear that then. That's just a perspective that I've adopted for myself. When I look at everyone, I like to try to give them the kind of like the benefit of the doubt that they're showing courage that I I know nothing about. Yeah. Um, and that's hard. Yeah. So I think that applies to only this really well. Thank you so much for listening and getting vulnerable with us. If you want to book a session with me or Lindsay, you can reach out to our Instagram. Mine is at hole with Corbin.
SPEAKER_00:Mine is simple spirituality, and I'll that'll be linked in the notes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. All right. We'd love.
SPEAKER_00:See you next time.