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What if nothing is wrong with you—and healing starts with human connection with Dr Fred Moss (USA)
What if the strongest medicine isn’t in a bottle, but in the space between two people? Dr Fred Moss joins us to rethink how we approach pain, purpose, and the story of “mental illness,” tracing his path from talkative kid to psychiatrist to “undoctor” who helps people step out of labels and into connection.
We explore the seismic shift that came with the Prozac era and why so many of us were taught to treat discomfort as disease. Fred shares how that narrative left him misaligned—handing out diagnoses and scripts while watching lives shrink—and what changed when he started tapering medications, undiagnosing identities, and guiding people toward practices that cost little and change a lot. From sleep and hydration to time in nature, creativity, service, and genuine conversation, he lays out the MOSS Method as a practical, humane way to stabilise without numbing, reconnect without retreating, and build mental health through daily choices rather than permanent labels.
The journey goes global with his “Global Madness” lens: a broken arm is universal; a psychiatric label is cultural. Across Thailand, Bhutan, Nepal, Israel, and beyond, Fred shows how traits pathologised in one place can be honoured in another. That insight reframes “mental illness” as a negotiated reality—one we can renegotiate. We talk frankly about suicide as profound disconnection and why prevention begins with presence: staying close, resonating with pain, and helping people rediscover a reason to belong. Fred’s Undoctor Reset invites anyone—no licence required—to lead with curiosity and compassion: undiagnose, unmedicate, and undoctrinate where appropriate, and put human connection back at the centre of care.
If you’ve ever felt reduced to a code or wondered whether there might be nothing “wrong” with you at all, this conversation offers a map home. Subscribe, share with someone who needs it, and leave a review telling us where you’ve found the most healing connection lately.
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Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Business of Life. Today we have a very special guest, Dr. Fred Moss. Welcome, sir.
DrFredMoss:Yeah, it's a pleasure. Thanks for having me, Dr. King. Great to be with you.
DrArielKing:It's great to be with you. So would you please tell our audience a bit about yourself and what you do?
DrFredMoss:Yeah, so I'm a psychiatrist. I've been a psychiatrist for about 36 years. And uh prior to that, I was in the mental health field for another nine years. So overall, about 45 plus years in the mental health field. But that's not who I really am, as we just talked about. I mean, I'm really, it all started back in the day on this the actual moment that I was born on the planet. And what I mean by that is I was here to become a healer. Uh I had two brothers. They were 10 and 14 years older than me, and I had my two parents living with them. And there was a fair amount of chaos and disarray and conflict going on in my home, as they told me. And my whole job from the moment I was conceived was to bring the idea of uh joy and peace and unity to that family. So they were anxiously awaiting me to arrive there and bring that to them. And apparently I did a pretty good job for a couple years. I was the apple of my mom's eye, and I was funny and smart and cute and all those things. Um, and that's what I did for the first several years. And my brothers would probably say I didn't do that good for the rest of my life, but that's a whole different story. You know, I was pretty good at bringing joy and everything to everybody. And I remember early on from my playpen inside of the living room that I really just was so entranced and so um uh, you know, entertained and inspired by this whole idea of communication. I really wanted to learn how to communicate. And I figured I had heard about school. I figured that school would be the place that I, you know, they would teach us how to communicate. So I waited anxiously until I was like five years old. And then I entered uh kindergarten. And uh, you know, at that time what I found was that I knew a lot more than most people. I had, you know, I was very precocious, and so I knew a little bit about sex and drugs and rock and roll and things that my kindergarten friends did not know much about. Um, but uh, you know, they were interested in blocks and taking breaks and stuff like that. I I was interested in that too, but I also knew how to read and I knew how to write and I knew a little bit more than most. So I was kind of like bored in the early years. So I was very, very interested in talking. And I talked a lot in my elementary school days. You know, there was not, there's no teacher who ever forgot having Fred as a student. I'm pretty certain of that. And I just made myself kind of a nuisance, at least in their eyes. But I because I was so smart and because I was so cute, I got away with it. And I was just like that guy. And um, but I didn't learn how to communicate in school because they really just kind of smother that, you know, they just like sit down, be quiet, do what the teacher says. And I started to learn over, as we all did, that that's really the goal of school is sit down, be quiet, and do what the teacher says. That is not an example of an open discourse, which is what I was looking for. So I figured it would happen in junior high. You know, that must be where the kids learn because it's sure not happening in elementary. And it got worse in junior high, and then it got worse again in high school. And so I began to really look outside of school to be a communicator. I began to hitchhike all over the place. I began to like ride my bike everywhere, uh, pass the boundaries. My mom would say, don't go past eight mile. I'd be like, Yeah, sure, mom. And that day I would be on seven mile. And, you know, that's just how that went for uh for many years, just exploring where could I find people to communicate with. Eventually, after high school, I decided to go to you know, go to college, give it a try. That must be where it goes. I had heard that Ann Arbor was a free place, you know, where people would really be able to do that. And it was only 40 miles away. So um I got myself into uh Ann Arbor, University of Michigan, and lasted for about a year and a half. And then I hated school, and so I just left. You know, it's like, no, this isn't my future. I want to go communicate. So I got on a bus, you know, and I took a bus all the way to Berkeley, California, and uh decided that that would be where I would learn. And I had a great summer in Berkeley, but it was not sustainable. And the idea was, well, there was this new industry that my family introduced me to that thought I would do good in, and that was called computers. Maybe you've heard of it. And the idea was the only computer in all of Michigan was at the University of Michigan, and that's where I would now have to go back if I wanted to actually learn this new trade. Sure enough, on the way back is what I did. I my parents bought me a plane ticket, and I was back in Detroit and then back in Ann Arbor for the next term. I lasted for like one or two terms, and it was like, no, punch cards and batch jobs. I'm not doing that. That's not my life. And I was gone again, promising to never ever come back to conventional uh education again. This is when my job started. On January 5th, 1980, my mom got me an application for a state for a state civil service job at a mental health facility, a state mental health facility for adolescent boys. And I began to be a child care worker, and I was there that I learned indeed how to communicate, how to communicate effectively, how to connect with people. These kids who were only five or seven years younger than me were looking to be connected with. They were looking to be heard, they were looking to be uh, you know, um uh resonated with harmonically. And I did that. I found myself really doing that, loving a job before too long, but I really didn't like psychiatry. I really didn't like the direction psychiatry was going. And it hadn't even started in the direction that it's now become. Because uh, but I decided that I could go bring communication to the center of all healing, which I knew was where it was ever since I was in that playpen. And I would go into psychiatry to actually represent communication rather than whatever else that they were doing. But, you know, and so that's what I did. I went back to school one more time at Wayne State downtown and finished my app, you know, finished my whole life, my uh whole undergraduate degree. And then I applied to medical school, eventually got into Northwestern University in downtown Chicago, and I had a great time in Chicago. I love Chicago. Uh, I was there actually during the exact years that Michael Jordan land there. Yeah, we both landed there in 1984. So I had season tickets for the Chicago Bulls all the way through medical school. And I was like, dude, this is like it was way, way, way too fun. I was basically a Chicago Bulls fan who happened to be in medical school, and that's how that really went. And uh I love the Bulls and love Jordan and love Chicago. And actually, you know, by the time I graduated, I was uh on my way to psychiatric residency and then uh it's a child and adolescent psychiatric uh fellowship and completed all that. And when I was spat out, you know, things had changed drastically inside of psychiatry with the advent of uh Prozac. And psychiatry was now based on this very weird notion that if there was something uncomfortable in your life, that was your fault. That that meant that you were, you know, sick, that meant that you were ill. If you were unhappy, if you were afraid, if you were anxious, if you were distracted, if you were uh, you know, like hopeless or helpless, that meant that there was something wrong with you. That isn't ever how I felt. Uh, we don't blame a blog for burning in the fire, that's for sure. And as uh Jedou uh Jidu Christian Murthy said, it's no sign of mental health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. And that was like really a good point. And I went through the next several years, like several decades, actually doing things that I was not entirely aligned with. I was being asked to tell people that there was something wrong with them, give them a diagnosis, and then give them a treatment that wasn't going to help them very much, even though I knew, you know, I knew that it wasn't going to help them very much. And in many cases, in fact, most cases, it actually makes things worse. And there I was still doing that because that's what the job description was. And it would really hurt me, you know, each time I wrote a prescription or each time I diagnosed someone, there was like a flinch. And so I did that for a lot of years and eventually decided that I couldn't stay miss a line forever. So I eventually, in 2006, I started taking people off a medication and giving them their life back, you know, and really the results were astonishing because people got better, way better, reliably better, profoundly better, and predictably better. And, you know, it was like really awesome to watch people get better, and usually their whole diagnosis would just disappear anyways in that process. So now I had learned that the medications were not only not working, but they were inducing or increasing or causing the symptoms they were marketed to treat and causing their own mental illness in their own right. And they're definitely causing chemical imbalance, after all. That's why we take them. It's so that we can cause a chemical imbalance. And it does do that. But now we were forgetting that the medicines were causing people to be sick, and I didn't know exactly how to manage that. I wanted to scream it from the mountaintops. I wanted to call everyone I know, especially the parents of kids and you know, my colleagues and stuff, and say, we can't continue to do this. This is just way wrong. But I didn't do that. Or I actually tried it for a little while, but violence doesn't really help. And so I learned how to water it down a little bit and really look at where is my entryway. Eventually, what I came up with is this idea that the entryway has nothing to do with medicines. You know, medicines are not causing the problem, and doctors are not even causing the problem, insurance companies are not causing the problem, and neither are hospitals in any way causing the problem. There's nobody actually causing the problem. The whole idea, I mean, how can medicines cause a problem? They're just a thing. That's like saying, blaming my pen for a paper that I'm writing or something. It's like my pen is not causing the problem. And so it's the same thing with medication. The medications are not causing the problem. So where is the problem? How can we make the best entryway? And I eventually realized, I essentially, you know, I just uh on further contemplation that the reason that this is a the place to enter this cycle is that people think there's something wrong with them when they're uncomfortable. That's the whole point. If you think there's something wrong with you, if you know there's something wrong with you, and then you get confirmation from a so-called authority figure that there's something wrong with you, now you really know there's something wrong with you. And now you go to where you've been taught to go to, which is into the conventional mental health field, where sooner than you know there will be something wrong with you, because not only did they say there would be, but they're about to give you something that's going to get make it wrong for you. And now you're gonna think, okay, I'm glad I went early because it's gotten worse since I started seeing the doctor. And you think that it's your condition that's gotten worse when really what it is is that the treatment has caused the symptoms that you know to increase that they're marketed to treat. So I really started to look at how can I manage this? And I began to do things all over, all over the country. I I had leadership roles in every single modality that psychiatry has to offer in this country where psychiatr where psychiatry was making an impact, I had had a leadership role. And then I began to actually go around the world and I worked in Thailand and Bhutan and Nepal and Israel, Michigan, Michigan, Thailand, Bhutan, Nepal, Israel, Italy, England, and France. And I did that using Telecycle long before it was the gold standard. And the whole idea was how can I step up, be a psychiatrist, actually take the bull by the horns and treat people in a way that is respectful, that actually helps them without having to diagnose them and without having to medicate them. That was my big goal. It still is my goal as this very minute, by the way. It's always what I'm looking for. And eventually I decided that I could not continue. I quit psychiatry a bunch of times, about three or four times, like on a dime. Like, I can't do that. I'm not, you're no, I won't do that today. And here's your keys, and I gotta go. Um, and uh uh, you know, so I consistently have been looking for a place where I can work. Eventually I decided that I'd blow out of the main conventional field and start doing some coaching, transformational, restorative coaching, helping people get off medicine, helping people get off their diagnosis, helping people create a new mindset, new practices, new tools, new strategies, new exercises so that they could get their life back because that's what's really important. Um so I began really uh coaching people and then I did some podcasting. I have dropped about 275 podcasts as a host and about 300 as a guest. I did, I wrote a couple of books, I've been on several several stages. Um, I do some teaching, I've created a couple courses uh that I'm very proud of. And the idea is called Welcome to Humanity, because I really thought that that was a great name because, you know, no matter what's going on, even if it's like pain and suffering and misery and discomfort and unpleasantness, it's not a bad answer to give somebody like, you know what? Welcome to humanity. We're being asked to lose, you know, live a hard life, and they've always been asked to live a hard life. And you can't go back in history anytime and find somebody who says, This life is easy. That didn't happen. The life has never been easy and it's not even the hardest that it's ever been today. It is definitely hard. Um, but you know, other people have certainly had it harder than us in the past. And I began to really look at how I can be useful. And with those books and with the podcasts and with the stages that I took, uh, several different things started to unfold. I bec I created a true voice technology, helping people actually find their true voice uh underneath all the mess that they had piled on themselves over the years by pretending to be someone that they're not in order to protect the person that they are and really getting them back to who they really are. And then I also created something called the Moss method. And the Moss method is uh 20 things that are aimed at the strategies and tools and tips and tricks, um, exercises and um uh practices that uh allow somebody to step in and realize even if you're uncomfortable, there's ways to mitigate that by taking on lifestyle changes. And then really also watching what you eat, watching what you drink, and you know, spirituality and service and nature and creativity and meditation and gratitude and hydration and pets and pampering and uh you know sleep hygiene. These are all things that we all can do. Uh inexpensive, no, you know, usually no cost. And uh when I apply the Moss method, I can really help people find their, you know, find their true self and uh find even satisfaction in a life that is packed with challenges. So off we go sort of forward with that. I did something called global madness for a little while. And um all the while I've had like one foot in still in the conventional psychiatric field. I think that gives me credibility if I'm still playing along in the psychiatric field. I know exactly what's going on in all these different areas. I have had the inside track, I've been inside the belly of the beast for 40 plus years, dude. Like 40 plus years for real. Like I've really been playing hard for 40 years. And now I get to walk around with a little bit of a smile because we got the undoctor reset. And the undoctor reset is my new program. And as the undoctor, the undoctor is uh a nice, you know, um moniker that someone gave me, a friend of mine gave me. Um, it's the idea that I un undiagnose, unmedicate, and then undoctrinate people, taking them out of the conventional system. And that's what I now do, and that's the program that I'm developing and actually uh moving forward these days, Undoctor Reset, where you can find it, undoctorreset.com. And I really just help people step in and find their truest self and be able to resonate with others because what I've discovered when I was three in that playpen and every day since is that the most powerful medicine that we know of in all of life, in all of humanity, the most powerful medicine that we have is the power of a human connection. When we make a human connection, there's everything explodes. It's an astonishing blast of healing that takes place at that moment. It's not gradual, it's immediate and it's spontaneous and it's instantaneous. And uh, you know, so I really help people get to that place where they can really uh get themselves clean and right so that they can be involved in a true and honest, genuine, authentic human connection, because there really is no more powerful healing source than that. And I do that with all of my work, uh including True Voice, including the Creative Eight, including the Moss method, including Undoctor Reset, and including the Undoctor, you know, and including being the undoctor and the overarching theme of Welcome to Humanity.
DrArielKing:That's who I am. That's absolutely amazing. Uh I think one of my first questions is I know that you've done this in other countries. Is there any difference uh between the people in various countries with various cultures? For sure.
DrFredMoss:Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I that's what I found as well. I was uh the the mission that I was on was called Global Madness. I mentioned it briefly. And what Global Madness was intended to do initially, although it started in 2019, so you know what happened, um, is that uh I was going to be the Anthony Bourdain of all of psychiatry and just go visit places and see how people are different. Here's what I learned. What I learned was, you know, if you have a broken arm in Sacramento, or if you have a broken arm in St. Louis, and you go to Singapore, then you still have a broken arm. If you go to Reykjavik, you still have a broken arm. You go to Johannesburg, you still got a broken arm. It's still always a broken arm. Once an hour you have a broken arm, it's a broken arm everywhere. That is so not true with these so-called, you know, um uh very um nebulous uh idea of what psychiatric illness is or mental illness. What if you're mentally ill in St. Louis and you take that to Reykjavik, you might not even be mentally ill. You might be considered normal. If you take that to so, you know, South Africa, you might not be considered at all. You might even be considered a shaman. If you're if you take it to Johannesburg, you might be even sicker than you were. We don't know. I'm sorry, not Johannesburg, like Tokyo. You know, you might be sicker than you thought you were. It's all variable. So when we get that it's totally arbitrary and totally variable, we see that mental illness is not even a real thing. It's not a real thing. It's culturally specific and it's based on the diagnoser. You see, just because you're sick in St. Louis doesn't make you sick. Just because someone calls you sick in St. Louis and you're willing to agree that you must be doesn't make you sick. It's if it was an honest to goodness thing, we would have mental illness know wherever you went, like a broken arm is. But it isn't that, it's more of a conversation and an agreement reality, and therefore subject to massive transformation once we allow ourselves to alter our mindset about these conditions.
DrArielKing:That makes so much sense to me. And what I really love about what you said is is it's a connection. And even when you were in the crib, you were looking for that connection. So when you're talking about communication, I think you were really looking for how how do I connect to other people? How how do I find myself being with them, you know, and honestly have having an experience with them? So are we really looking at human connections that people need? What we really need is human connection. We need a a bit of humanity. Is that what we're looking for? These diseases?
DrFredMoss:Yeah, I think so. I think ultimately what's happening if you look at these conditions more often than not, they're related to communication with others, anyways. If you look at even all the alphabet soup diagnoses, whether it's ADD or NPD or G A D or B A D or whatever, dae da, if it's any of those things, more than likely where the troubles are actually emanating from is inside of our capacity to interrelate with each other. And that is where the problem is, but that's obviously where the solution is as well. And what's so interesting is, you know, psychiatry teaches that you became a certain way because of the past that brought you to now, and therefore you can expect the future to go a certain way. That's the that's a faulty way of thinking. Just because you had a past that led you to now doesn't leave you as a prisoner to that past. You actually can say or be or do something different from this very moment than anything you've ever done before. And when I open up that door to people, it reminds me that I too can do something different. I don't even have to continue being a psychiatrist if I don't want to. It's not, I mean, I guess I'll always be a psychiatrist in this lifetime because they don't take it away. But I don't have to practice psychiatry. I can go, you know, go to the hills, or I can start a coffee shop, or I can, you know, become a take go to school. I can do whatever I want, you know. We still live in a country that's pretty free, and even though we don't always notice that. And it does allow for a lot of latitude. Um, so once we start realizing that what we're really after more than anything is the pursuit of a human connection, and that that's been true since the beginning of time. I mean, it doesn't matter whether you go into the Bible, if you go into the Quran, if you go into Dharma, if you go into the I Ching, wherever you go, human connection has been an important feature of humanity since the very beginning of time. And by the way, Prozac and Saraquel, they haven't been very important to humanity in since the beginning of time. There are advents in the last hundred years, and in this case in the last 50 years, that are really there to keep people, um, keep people uh, if you will, getting great getting a little bit worse or contained or feeling like there was something wrong with them.
DrArielKing:That's so interesting. So basically what we're looking at is the cure for whatever it is that ills us is human connection to our humanity. And you were saying all these different things that you can do for yourself. So um are there some societies that uh have it that it's easier to get back to nature, to uh get back to yourself, to have friends, to have communications. Are there some societies better than others? And do you actually see that there's quote unquote less idea of quote unquote mental health?
DrFredMoss:Or mental illness, mental illness, mental illness, not to be confused with mental health. So you some people think there's when they say mental health, they're actually referring to this notion of mental illness. But it's not, you know, mental health is a good thing. Mental illness isn't is this thing that has been made up to be a bad thing or a deficiency or a defectiveness or an affliction or um uh a disorder of some sort. But yeah, I think there are some societies, but basically I think it gets defined by how the aver how the prevailing conversation is going in that particular society. So when it's understood that that's the way that we're gonna do things, that we're gonna be, you know, we're gonna care about our health, we're gonna care about the air, we're gonna care about our food, we're gonna care about our drinking, we're gonna care about meditation, we're gonna care about mindfulness, we're gonna care about, you know, preemptive care, we're gonna care about our pets, we're gonna care about spirituality, we're gonna care about creativity, we're gonna care about, you know, about um uh being of service. When we have societies that pay attention to those kind of things, then it's easier in that society because you don't stand out like a sore thumb. However, in our society right now, it's gotten a little bit harder because even though people are kind of exploding out and starting to double check and push back on the conventional ways of doing things, there's still an understanding notion that if there's such a thing as mental illness, and when you have mental illness, you go and get some help. And the way you go get some help is you go into the conventional mental health facility, and before too long, you know, you don't realize it. But every time you go to a mental health facility or a mental health provider, you get a diagnosis every single time. There's never a time that you don't get a diagnosis when you go into a mental health provider. And by the way, that diagnosis doesn't go away. That's now on your records, that's what you have. Whatever they think that day is your diagnosis, that just became your diagnosis and it doesn't go away. Now it's not like it sticks with you forever. It's not like if someone says you have major depressive disorder, now you need to be major depressive. But it is true that it's it takes an act of Congress to get those kind of diagnoses removed from your record. So people don't realize that once you become your diagnosis, now you take on a new identity based on your preconceived notion of what that diagnosis is. I can give you a little story. If you came into an office and you said this uh the doctor, okay, my skin is a little bit gray, I have way too big a nose, I'm eat too many peanuts, and I drink too much water, and I'm a mess in a China shop. And the doctor's like, okay, let me take a look. And so he looks at his little book and he says, Oh, you're an elephant. And you're like, that explains everything. Yay! And then you can re-you know you can re-re um relinquish your responsibility for your life for the areas of life for which you've been clumsy or which you're not eating well or whatever. And you walk out thinking you're an elephant. And you think you're an elephant because that's what the doctor told you and you agreed. And now every preconceived notion you had about being an elephant is now with you as well. So when you walk out, what do you do? As soon as you got out of the office, you're looking for circuses and you're looking for chains, you're looking for your people, you're looking for your other elephants. And if your family tells, you know, you go to your family, you say, Guys, I saw the doctor, he told me what was wrong with me. Yeah, we want to know. What is it? I'm an elephant. It's like, dude, yeah, you're not an elephant. Oh, so all you can do with that is you they don't know yet. You it's not like you will believe them, it's just like you feel kind of bad for them because they don't even know that they're probably elephants too, because they're in the same family, they have the same genes, they probably have the elephant uh disease as well. And then then you come back to an office, you know, a couple weeks later and you tell them, you know what, I learned I have a really great memory and I got really big ears. Say, oh, you're elephant type too. And now you're really excited because that's a rare form of being an elephant. And now you walk out, you're like, not only am I an elephant, I'm not like the average elephant, I'm a special elephant. And now you walk out like you're pretty sure you got a special condition, and now you can wonder and see that that's why people don't know it on the first hand, because you got this special way of doing it, you know, and people love to have special diseases, by the way. People love to be like one in a million. Oh my god. People think that's such a badge of honor. It's so hilarious, really.
DrArielKing:I love these stories. Can I ask this month? Is uh Suicide Awareness Month. So with what you do, how do we explain a society? And I know societies are different, but suicide. Does that come from a lack of connection, feeling non-connected, feeling that there's no humanity? Where do you think that comes from? And how can a program like yours um actually address something like suicide?
DrFredMoss:Yeah, I think suicide is the ultimate example of being disconnected, of believing that there's no hope, of getting that there's nobody out there who's gonna get you, nobody you can resonate with, no real purpose, no real function, no real aim, no real vision, no real mission. And, you know, that's we don't unfortunately we don't ever get to interview people who have successfully or who have completed suicide. So we don't really get to find out what was going on right before they committed suicide. We do have cases, of course, of people who have tried and failed, and um we can talk to them. But I think more than anything, the way to connect with somebody who's suicidal is exactly to do that. Get right in there with them, do not be afraid and see what their world is. Because more than likely, whatever sense of despair or hopelessness they may have generated, you actually can relate to it. More than likely, you can listen to them and get, oh my God, that door seems so closed. Oh my God, you uh you haven't been heard, you haven't been respected, you haven't been cared for, you haven't been loved. And once you get that, and you all you don't have to, you don't have to be the one who provides all that stuff with them. All you really have to do is connect with them in a resonating harmonic fashion. That's what suicide prevention hotlines are about. And frankly, that's what we're all about. I know, and you know, people don't like to talk about it, but every so often, nearly everyone, if not everyone, goes through a moment, you're like, what the hell am I doing alive? This is just so stupid. This is so painful, this is so unrewarding. So getting to that edge where we think we don't need to live or we don't want to live, we don't want to be a burden anymore, we don't want to face the pain of living every anymore. Like, forget it. Let's just, let's just close the doors. We all have that experience enough times to be able to relate to someone who is truly on the edge of jumping off a bridge or of, you know, eating a um uh overdose or I don't know, putting their uh radio in a bathtub or hanging from the rafters or whatever they're gonna do. Um, we can really all relate to that. And what people want more than anything, if you talk about people who have turned around from the suicidal edge, what they say is, and then I ran into, and they tell you the person they ran into who actually connected them, who kept them alive.
DrArielKing:Makes all the difference. I want to thank you. Our 30 minutes has gone so quickly. Do you have any last words for our audience?
DrFredMoss:Well, I think the thing I want them to want your audience to know is number one, come join us at undoctorreset.com. It's very reasonable. And there's a community waiting for you, uh a very low ticket. And there's everything, the high tickets, including our twice a year retreats that we can join up in. And I can show you how to be an undoctor, um, which means you don't have to have a license or a degree to be an undoctor. You just as obviously all you really have to do is bring your heart and your soul and your interest, your curiosity and your mind to the people. And you can see that you too can be an undoctor. I didn't have to be educated at Northwestern to be an undoctor. So there's that. And then I really want people to also know that there may be nothing wrong with them. Like it's okay. It's really okay how miserable you get sometimes. It's just part of life. Not that it's not to wash it away, not like pick yourself up. Like it's freaking painful. It's terribly painful to be a human. Welcome to humanity. We really get that. It's terribly painful. It's completely okay. And not only that, if you really want to check me out even a little more, go to my main website, which is at DR Fred Drfred360.com.
DrArielKing:Thank you, Dr. Fred. Fred Moss, it was an absolutely fantastic journey for thirty minutes and it would be wonderful if we can have you on again.
DrFredMoss:I'd love to come on again. Thanks for having me.
DrArielKing:Thank you. And remember, if I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, then when? That was by the philosopher Hello. And I've added, if not me, then who? Thank you so much for joining us.